The story seems incomplete. What exactly was said on the sofa when they sat down together. Without that specific information we cannot know why Prince stomped out and slammed the door. It was just too general for me. Hell you can tell us what song Alicia was playing on stage but you cannot state any specifics of your conversation that pissed Prince off.

As far as Mayte goes. She has had years to think about her relationship with Prince and just got a big ass tattoo on her hand so the purple magic is still working its wonders on her I guess. I would think by now she could articulate herself on whether she was mistreated by Prince. If she can still love him like this then who I am to speculate about what happened between them.

jdcxc said:

Fundamentalist versions of any religion sucks.

Maybe so. But if you're not a fundamentalist, what are you? Either you live your life by your religion, or you cherry pick and chisel on the side. In which case you invalidate the entire point of religion.

cindyt said:

keenly said:

Tina LET Ike beat her by your logic, she did not leave.

Prince was an abuser. Face the facts.

I read somewhere he told his wife what to eat, too. That's where the crap would STOP you know? I didn't know he was abusive, but I figured so.

That is not true. He did not tell Mayte what to eat in fact, Mayte helped Prince to become a vegetarian.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/156336-was-prince-a-vegan-he-upheld-his-beliefs-throughout-his-life

"By "us," Prince was referring to Mayte Garcia, to whom he was married from 1996 to 2000, and who introduced him to the vegetarian and vegan lifestyle. But even after the two split up, he held onto those new beliefs."

musicfan77 said:

cindyt said:

I read somewhere he told his wife what to eat, too. That's where the crap would STOP you know? I didn't know he was abusive, but I figured so.

That is not true. He did not tell Mayte what to eat in fact, Mayte helped Prince to become a vegetarian.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/156336-was-prince-a-vegan-he-upheld-his-beliefs-throughout-his-life

"By "us," Prince was referring to Mayte Garcia, to whom he was married from 1996 to 2000, and who introduced him to the vegetarian and vegan lifestyle. But even after the two split up, he held onto those new beliefs."

I'm glad somebody set that straight. The lie has been regurgitated for years around these parts.

deerpath said:

I've seen a couple of interviews around that time and was a bit startled by what felt like an undercurrent of anger in 2001.

Kevin Smith jokes about it in a talk at Kent State, but the purpose of his "documentary" seemed to be almost a mix of a focus group for a new album, and a captured audience for a JW preaching.

https://youtu.be/8LhcParuzpc

In another long interview, also in 2001, his words are "love Jesus" but feel the anger under those words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyjwhFiQqg

Wasn't this around the time Mayte left him? In five years he'd lost two children (the baby son and then an unborn daughter). Then his hand selected wife who it sounds like from what you've all said, he would not allow to grow into a woman.

In the Oprah interview the week their son died, they are on air and cooing to each other. for the cameras. It is hard to imagine how hard that had to have been for Mayte, but she smiled and cooed back at him. He had her head. She trusted and believed him when he said there would be many more children.

In an interview shortly after his death, she talked about the way things fell apart after she lost their second child. A little girl. He withdrew. She could not reach him. That happens to couples after the loss of a child and this couple lost two children. Prince made recordings of their heart beats and wove them into songs.

That is a lot of personal loss and grief.

Around this time his father died, then his mother. Prince remarried and then she left him though he did not want a divorce, according to another story. It is a lot of loss for anyone. If the JW helped him during this time, well done. Later we read that was a bit less compelling and the dogma began to have his own spin on it.

After this time though he seems different in interviews. The Warner contract still hovered overhead, but he seemed lighter. More playful. Not so angry. His performances with Misty Copeland--you know her schedule didn't wait on him--were inspired. She attributes her confidence on stage to him. She said she learned showmanship from him, stage presence (though she apparently had plenty to start).That was almost a decade later.

The idea that he felt each of his musical creations was perfect has to be so. He worked so hard on each, editing and redoing and pulling them together until the final work was as he heard it in his head. Perfectly Prince.

People seemed to want him to be that brash, 20 something forever, but from the stories and the work he matured into his genius. A full human being. Watching the few live performances available online, you see he was his music. He moved from sensational showman to pure vibrations in the air that is music. Amazing. Sorry this is so long.

This is the first time I have read anything about a daughter. We all know about their son Ahmir as well as the miscarriage but I have not read an interview with Mayte that refers to them having a daughter that passed. Maybe if you can post a link to said interview?

I'm pretty sure he was the one who left Mayte. He bought her a house in Spain and left her there while he was seeing other women.

Just gonna leave this here:

Prince is dead. Deceased. Any sort of allegations should have been made before. Like after it allegedly happened. I don't believe negative statements made about people when they're no longer here to defend themselves.

CROWNS1 said:

terrig said:

Wealth power and fame and genius is no match for a 16 yr old girl whose MOM pimped her to a rockstar...I will always defend Mayte becasue she doesnt even really realize how she was manipulated to this day.

Mayte had no chance to develop her own agency and boundaries at a critical time in her adolesence - its still evident today that she's still a little girl. It's her mother & Princes fault. They essentially trained her to be a damn geisha.



Wealth power and fame and genius is no match for an 18 year old who had a crappy home life and left home at aged 12, with no relationship skills and totally unprepared to handle the enormous fame that came so fast to him. I think their relationship was doomed before it even started. Prince had a mother who allowed another woman to raise her 12 year old son, and Mayte had a mother who pimped her 16 year old daughter out to a 32 year old man. And even at the end, to me Prince didn't seem as though he had emotionally matured in many ways he still seemed child-like.

Very interesting post. I never looked at it in that way.

My respect goes out to the young woman reporter who had the courage and stood her ground against him. To be that age & on his turf could not have been easy. I hope she has come to put it in the proper perspective. Most women simply do not grasp the anger/misogyny that many man have for/towards them.

However, statements on here that P was an abuser due to his personal relationships are telling as to how misguided and confused ppl are. Did P groom young women? Yes, was it unethical? YES. Was it illegal? No. Moreover, he would not have been in such situations without the express involvement or PUSH of the "parents". M. was pimped. Anna Garcias mother allowed/encouraged the situation as well. Elvis operated in a very similar way for I suspect for many of the same issues. Prince continued to evolve as a human being. I admit I was the first to misjudge and think 3rd eye girl was yet another "protege" band we were all going to be subjected to. I was wrong. I had the sense he respected them and was finally coming to grips with core issues that plagued him since his youth. I think the fact that he WASN'T in a relationship with someone for so long was a good thing as he was reflecting on past experiences and judging from his lyrics still continuing to grow.

It is disturbing to see ppl continue to give Mayte a free pass- SHE IS AN ADULT NOW. Her recent attention whoring while drunk with her young daughter present are inexcusable. P always surrounded himself w/weak women w/little if any talent based on their appearance & psychological factors. To continue to pretend that there could be/was some great love or that these women are then given a life long pass and are not responsible for their behavior when they are over 18 is sexist & a slap in the face to all women who have not used their appearance/bodies to gain approval, fame and money. Moreover, it is a real insult to survivors who have been thru horrendous sexual and physical abuse. Mayte showed no concern for Nona Gaye when P. was obviously publicly involved with her. M. was over 18 when they finally got together, SHE WAS AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER OWN CHOICES. Even Denise Matthews herself said she went along with the sexual image because she wanted to get paid. Then years later she turns around and blames P. for it? While using the name "Vanity" on her book to make money? Either you are for something or not. Either you have the courage to stand for your convictions or you dont. It's ridiculous at this point for Mayte enablers to keep blathering on about her being a "victim". The victim at this stage is her child and the images that these women have actively participated in making and putting out there for THEIR own financial benefit that then IMPACT all women.

terrig said:

Awwww Prince was trying to glamour her and got mad when he couldnt lololol.



Whoopsie.

Junglehop said:

My thoughts are this is Prince in the throes of infatuation with his JW faith - it's like it's not even his own thoughts, he's just spewing JW rhetoric newly indocrinated into him at the time. He definitely went through a f**ked up angry period around 2001, and he turned to JW doctine heavily as a way to deal with a life that had been rocky for several years. He cooled it later on, and found more balance and harmony in his life as he grew older - sure, still a JW but not so single-minded about it and trying to force it upon others. I also think Prince was human, who hasn't been a jerk before or said things they've regretted? He was also a multifacted person with many beliefs and viewpoints that changed over the years. Sure, he was a control freak, but again, he's human, we all have our issues and vices we have to deal with. Maybe his controlling tendencies didn't help in his personal relationships, but I don't think it's right to call him an abuser. He just f**cked up sometimes, like all of us - but at his heart we was a loving person.

How many women around him WERE NOT on his payroll? I don't care how many women he brought into bands, or took on the road as singers or muses: did he "sign" a paycheck for them? If he did - and he is His Royal Badness, the Rock God-Icon - how would those women ever stand up to him? As for his wives: there is an old expression: "table money." The husband would leave some money on the table every week from his paycheck for the wife to use to run the household. I bet those two wives had basically no autonomy because the world had to revolve around him or life would be miserable. If they had had their own money, and could basically tell him where to go, it might have been different. But then that exists in non-Rock God marriages, too.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Maybe so. But if you're not a fundamentalist, what are you? Either you live your life by your religion, or you cherry pick and chisel on the side. In which case you invalidate the entire point of religion.

The entire point of religion at its best is to comfort children who can't deal with the thought of death. At worst its a tool of control. The only way for any of those iron age fairy tales to peacefully exist in the odern world is to pick and choose the most reasonable parts and disregard the rest with great prejudice. You can be a fundamentalist about the sky appearing blue to human eyes because that is know without a doubt. You cannot be fundamentalist about Magical Sky God(s) without trouble ensuing. By definition, faith is a belief in that for which there is no evidence.