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Thread started 06/06/16 9:23am

AlexHahn

Who contacted Kornfeld?

Shortly after Prince died, I remember seeing an article that indicated who in Prince's orbit contacted Howard Kornfeld, the addiction doctor who made his way to PP. However, I now cannot locate that information.

Is anyone aware of any articles or information on this issue?

Thank you very much.

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Reply #1 posted 06/06/16 9:33am

TrivialPursuit

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Wait, do you mean who initially contacted him about helping Prince get past the pain meds?

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[Edited 6/6/16 10:15am]

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #2 posted 06/06/16 9:33am

phoenixrising

Wasn't it the female environmental lawyer he was working with ? I don't remember her name
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Reply #3 posted 06/06/16 9:38am

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phoenixrising said:

Wasn't it the female environmental lawyer he was working with ? I don't remember her name

YES, that's right. She's out in calif and supposedly somewhat influential, knows people, she helped Prince with his record label woes I believe. Don't recall her name either. I'll look for it.
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Reply #4 posted 06/06/16 9:38am

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Nobody knew a thing and all are shocked that he could have been on painkillers, his bodyguards had no clue, other people extremely close had no clue, yet this person who made the call not only knew, but thought it was so bad she had to place a call for a desperate rescue attempt on Prince? Something is just very odd about this.

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Reply #5 posted 06/06/16 9:48am

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leadline said:

Nobody knew a thing and all are shocked that he could have been on painkillers, his bodyguards had no clue, other people extremely close had no clue, yet this person who made the call not only knew, but thought it was so bad she had to place a call for a desperate rescue attempt on Prince? Something is just very odd about this.

P's personal assistant made a call to a lawyer in Cali who had worked with Prince to see if she could help get him somewhere. That lawyer made the call to Recovery Without Walls. Perhaps P was not open to getting help and his inner circle called a lawyer to see what could be done. I get the impression they staged an intervention but no one really knows. In any case, I can't remember the lawyer's name.

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Reply #6 posted 06/06/16 9:51am

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How could his bodyguard and the people closest to him have had "No Clue" Prince was on heavy pain killers? They were in the airplane with him when the plane had to do an emergency landing because he was unresponsive! They knew! There should have been an intervention at that time! He would have been alive today!

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Reply #7 posted 06/06/16 9:52am

AlexHahn

sonshine said:

phoenixrising said:
Wasn't it the female environmental lawyer he was working with ? I don't remember her name
YES, that's right. She's out in calif and supposedly somewhat influential, knows people, she helped Prince with his record label woes I believe. Don't recall her name either. I'll look for it.

Yes! That's it. I saw the articles, but can't remember her name. But that's definitely it.

I'll tell you what I'm getting at. Why, when the Korfelds were contacted, why did they put the son on a plane, as opposed to ensuring that immediate emergency treatment was rendered in MN? The Kornfelds' attorney, William Mauzy, has said publically that his clients were contacted concerning a "grave medical emergency." That was on the 20th.

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Reply #8 posted 06/06/16 9:56am

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AlexHahn said:

sonshine said:

phoenixrising said: YES, that's right. She's out in calif and supposedly somewhat influential, knows people, she helped Prince with his record label woes I believe. Don't recall her name either. I'll look for it.

Yes! That's it. I saw the articles, but can't remember her name. But that's definitely it.

I'll tell you what I'm getting at. Why, when the Korfelds were contacted, why did they put the son on a plane, as opposed to ensuring that immediate emergency treatment was rendered in MN? The Kornfelds' attorney, William Mauzy, has said publically that his clients were contacted concerning a "grave medical emergency." That was on the 20th.



Let's not start blaming the Kornfelds - who, by most accounts, are guilty of nothing more than not getting there fast enough. Unless I'm missing something?

Prince or his handlers could have checked him into even a local hospital and he'd probably still be alive. He'd be monitored 24/7.

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Reply #9 posted 06/06/16 9:57am

266lydia

I certainly agree with wannabeyourlover. His inner circle knew. They were traveling with him. An intervention should have taken place at the time the jet had the emergency landing. If you love someone, you just don't look the other way, and then tell the world you had no clue.

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Reply #10 posted 06/06/16 9:59am

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Wannabeyourlover1 said:

How could his bodyguard and the people closest to him have had "No Clue" Prince was on heavy pain killers? They were in the airplane with him when the plane had to do an emergency landing because he was unresponsive! They knew! There should have been an intervention at that time! He would have been alive today!



Here ya go, 30 seconds in, his bodyguard that was with him until he died, tells EVERYTHING about his current health.

http://www.cnn.com/videos...rs-nelson/

They were in the airplane, so perhaps what we were told about that event simply is not true. There is nobody closer than a bodyguard who packs your stuff everyday. So either what we have been told is a complete lie, or, the bodyguard is not telling the truth.

[Edited 6/6/16 10:09am]

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Reply #11 posted 06/06/16 10:05am

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AlexHahn said:



sonshine said:


phoenixrising said:
Wasn't it the female environmental lawyer he was working with ? I don't remember her name

YES, that's right. She's out in calif and supposedly somewhat influential, knows people, she helped Prince with his record label woes I believe. Don't recall her name either. I'll look for it.


Yes! That's it. I saw the articles, but can't remember her name. But that's definitely it.



I'll tell you what I'm getting at. Why, when the Korfelds were contacted, why did they put the son on a plane, as opposed to ensuring that immediate emergency treatment was rendered in MN? The Kornfelds' attorney, William Mauzy, has said publically that his clients were contacted concerning a "grave medical emergency." That was on the 20th.




The father couldn't clear his schedule on such short notice so sent his son who was going to go with Prince to a local physician with expeience in treating people in prince's condition the morning of the 21st. I believe the elder Kornfeld arranged this. It could also very likely have been "the intervention" as its very, very hard to stage an intervention when you are close to the person needing help. The personal nature if it can be quite upsetting when loved ones are involved. It's kind of a cowardly way out but I totally understand wanting to have someone else be the bad guy.
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Reply #12 posted 06/06/16 10:08am

SoEas42

CROWNS1 said:



leadline said:


Nobody knew a thing and all are shocked that he could have been on painkillers, his bodyguards had no clue, other people extremely close had no clue, yet this person who made the call not only knew, but thought it was so bad she had to place a call for a desperate rescue attempt on Prince? Something is just very odd about this.



P's personal assistant made a call to a lawyer in Cali who had worked with Prince to see if she could help get him somewhere. That lawyer made the call to Recovery Without Walls. Perhaps P was not open to getting help and his inner circle called a lawyer to see what could be done. I get the impression they staged an intervention but no one really knows. In any case, I can't remember the lawyer's name.



The lawyer's name is Phaedra Ellis-Lampkins. Apparently members of Prince's staff contacted Phaedra because they were concerned and she contacted the doctor in Cali.
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Reply #13 posted 06/06/16 10:10am

CROWNS1

I don't remember the Kornfelds or their lawyer saying that P was going back to Cali with them. What they have said is they were going to meet with him to discuss treatment. The fact that the call to them came from a Lawyer who was called by P's inner circle makes me "think" it was an intervention. I am sure P's inner circle had tried to get him to go for treatment.

The local doctor, I believe, is responsible for how this all went down. He attempted to help P detox at home and should have never happened.

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Reply #14 posted 06/06/16 10:12am

AlexHahn

SoEas42 said:

CROWNS1 said:

P's personal assistant made a call to a lawyer in Cali who had worked with Prince to see if she could help get him somewhere. That lawyer made the call to Recovery Without Walls. Perhaps P was not open to getting help and his inner circle called a lawyer to see what could be done. I get the impression they staged an intervention but no one really knows. In any case, I can't remember the lawyer's name.

The lawyer's name is Phaedra Ellis-Lampkins. Apparently members of Prince's staff contacted Phaedra because they were concerned and she contacted the doctor in Cali.

Nice! Thanks very much.

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Reply #15 posted 06/06/16 10:13am

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Wannabeyourlover1 said:

How could his bodyguard and the people closest to him have had "No Clue" Prince was on heavy pain killers? They were in the airplane with him when the plane had to do an emergency landing because he was unresponsive! They knew! There should have been an intervention at that time! He would have been alive today!


--- If had a time release patch then no one saw him or taking drugs. The pain meds also come in the form of a lollipop. If time released he would not have appeared high.
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Reply #16 posted 06/06/16 10:28am

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AlexHahn said:

Yes! That's it. I saw the articles, but can't remember her name. But that's definitely it.

I'll tell you what I'm getting at. Why, when the Korfelds were contacted, why did they put the son on a plane, as opposed to ensuring that immediate emergency treatment was rendered in MN? The Kornfelds' attorney, William Mauzy, has said publically that his clients were contacted concerning a "grave medical emergency." That was on the 20th.



Let's not start blaming the Kornfelds - who, by most accounts, are guilty of nothing more than not getting there fast enough. Unless I'm missing something?

Prince or his handlers could have checked him into even a local hospital and he'd probably still be alive. He'd be monitored 24/7.


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Reply #17 posted 06/06/16 10:40am

266lydia

A patch or whichever way he was taking the medication does not matter. The fact that the plane made an emergency landing and the hospital gave him a drug to counteract and overdose was all I would have needed to know. I would have done an intervention and hospitalized him to save his life. He was unresponsive!!! The article said his bodyguard had to carry him out! And if it was a patch, the doctors at the hospital were aware of the drug it was! I am sure the hospital had to produce records to the investigation.

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Reply #18 posted 06/06/16 10:50am

morningsong

If, if, if. sigh We don't know a thing. I guess we have to wait for all the tell-all books to come out to make heads or tails out of any of it.

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Reply #19 posted 06/06/16 11:02am

CROWNS1

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If, if, if. sigh We don't know a thing. I guess we have to wait for all the tell-all books to come out to make heads or tails out of any of it.

Sometimes the truth lies in what is NOT said. You just have to listen.

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Reply #20 posted 06/06/16 11:02am

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sonshine said:

AlexHahn said:

Yes! That's it. I saw the articles, but can't remember her name. But that's definitely it.

I'll tell you what I'm getting at. Why, when the Korfelds were contacted, why did they put the son on a plane, as opposed to ensuring that immediate emergency treatment was rendered in MN? The Kornfelds' attorney, William Mauzy, has said publically that his clients were contacted concerning a "grave medical emergency." That was on the 20th.

The father couldn't clear his schedule on such short notice so sent his son who was going to go with Prince to a local physician with expeience in treating people in prince's condition the morning of the 21st. I believe the elder Kornfeld arranged this. It could also very likely have been "the intervention" as its very, very hard to stage an intervention when you are close to the person needing help. The personal nature if it can be quite upsetting when loved ones are involved. It's kind of a cowardly way out but I totally understand wanting to have someone else be the bad guy. [Edited 6/6/16 10:07am]

What's frustrating is that he could have gotten that drug from a number of Minnesota doctors and it would have gotten to him much sooner. I don't blame the Kornfelds, since they went way out of their way to help out. It's just insane that a medical emergency somehow became the responsibility of a doctor halfway across the country.

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Reply #21 posted 06/06/16 11:12am

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morningsong said:

If, if, if. sigh We don't know a thing. I guess we have to wait for all the tell-all books to come out to make heads or tails out of any of it.

Sometimes the truth lies in what is NOT said. You just have to listen.



There is that, and that's the rough part right there.




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Reply #22 posted 06/06/16 11:19am

tmo1965

I think that once the investigation has been completed, some people with first hand knowledge of what happened will come forward. I think that everyone is being quite now because of the investigation. It would be nice if the Sheriff's office will give us a recount of the events leading up to Prince's death. If there are any charges filed, we will definitely get more information.

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Reply #23 posted 06/06/16 11:36am

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This is the thing. The Kornfelds had no reason to send a non-doctor (sorry, soon to be medical student does not count) with a backpack of meds to see Prince. The doctor, not his son, needed to get an in-depth medical history, examine him and do some lab work before starting Suboxone. He also needed to know of any treatments from other doctors, any intake of medications (legal or otherwise) and most of all to get an understanding of why Prince was hurting and try to treat that FIRST, at least, make it part of the treatment. If it was his hips or joints, he needed to see an orthopedic doctor, too. I do not believe his religion kept him from getting proper treatment as Jehovah's Witnesses have surgeries all the time. There was no reason for Andrew to have taken Suboxone with him, especially across state lines, as I can promise you that there is Suboxone available in all 50 states at just about every pharmacy in any given town. I am not saying they are to blame in any way, but they have broken some laws here and I feel they would have been best to have referred him to someone in Minnesota that day if they felt there was a "dire medical emergency". I simply do not like how things were handled. Would it have made a difference? I am not sure. But, if Prince was not willing to go to California that day to see Dr. Kornfeld, then it would have been best to have found a local doctor to see him that day that specialized in addiction and to get something started that day or possibly the day of the airplane incident. We still do not know what fully happened that night as he was apparently in the hospital for three hours but the plane did not leave to go back for almost 10 or so hours. Where was he at this time? What condition was he in?

It would be nice to know what treatment he received on the 20th and the 7th. It makes me think that perhaps Prince did not fully know what was wrong with him.

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Reply #24 posted 06/06/16 11:36am

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Se7en said:



AlexHahn said:




sonshine said:


phoenixrising said: YES, that's right. She's out in calif and supposedly somewhat influential, knows people, she helped Prince with his record label woes I believe. Don't recall her name either. I'll look for it.


Yes! That's it. I saw the articles, but can't remember her name. But that's definitely it.



I'll tell you what I'm getting at. Why, when the Korfelds were contacted, why did they put the son on a plane, as opposed to ensuring that immediate emergency treatment was rendered in MN? The Kornfelds' attorney, William Mauzy, has said publically that his clients were contacted concerning a "grave medical emergency." That was on the 20th.







Let's not start blaming the Kornfelds - who, by most accounts, are guilty of nothing more than not getting there fast enough. Unless I'm missing something?

Prince or his handlers could have checked him into even a local hospital and he'd probably still be alive. He'd be monitored 24/7.


+1.
There+ been multiple threads about the woulda, shoulda, coulda in regards to his + circle. They are hurting too. They were trying to get him help in the end. No way someone in prince's condition shouldn't have been closely monitored 24/7 until real help arrived. But I'm not angry with them anymore. They did try. I'm sure its a hard time for them too.
Its heartbreaking that help was literally only moments away.
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Reply #25 posted 06/06/16 11:41am

AlexHahn

Arbwyth said:

sonshine said:

t's just insane that a medical emergency somehow became the responsibility of a doctor halfway across the country.

Yeah, that pretty much nails it.

The Kornfelds have undertaken a pretty active campaign of information control. That's certainly their right, and it doesn't at all imply that they weren't going their best to assist in a difficult situation. In fact, they probably were. But a great deal of the narrative has been presented by them in the media via their attorney. Since they, Andrew Kornfeld wrote an editorial for CNN that is a similar excercise. He offers a lot of medical opinion that he is probably not qualified to give, for starters.

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Reply #26 posted 06/06/16 11:45am

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SoEas42 said:


The lawyer's name is Phaedra Ellis-Lampkins. Apparently members of Prince's staff contacted Phaedra because they were concerned and she contacted the doctor in Cali.


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