Blakbear said: Because when your boss tells you to go home, you go home. He wa a grown man. You cannot force a grown man with a sound mind to accept you in his house when he doesn't want you there.
Much as I would have LIKED to have known he wasn't alone, on the other hand, he obviously wanted to be.
Dudes, really, stop. Exactly. There are too many speculations and guessings going around, which is understandeable. But the guessings are based on what we know of him from the press. And we all know his relationship to the press. He wanted a private life and succeeded doing so. So questions like 'do you believe in reincarnation' were the result. Crap like talking about his height, him being gay or not, his relationship with his personell. What of all this is made up? What do we know? Who do we think we are when it comes to his private life? He was his own private person and an adult who probably made his decisions accordingly. He was no public property. 'Liberate My Mind' | |
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Here is another question. How do the authorithies know it was "accidental". He clearly wanted to be alone. Prince overdosed a week before on this stuff and he goes and takes it again...at some level ..wouldn't he know he was likely to overdose again? In that case is it accidental or deliberate.
And what is the official report not telling us. We know the cause of death, but what was creating his health problems before his death.
Questions. Questions. [Edited 6/4/16 7:44am] To All the Haters on the Internet
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mano said: Echo of the many. He was alone because he wanted to be, period.
It's just odd to me that anyone would want to be alone in an estate that huge all by themselves. I mean what if you got stuck in the elevator for crying out loud?
His extreme need for privacy may have been a contributing factor in his death. Prince is responsible for what happened to him ultimately, however, he had a LOT of help.
And yes, he died twice. That plane didn't land because of any damn "flu". He OD'd and they saved him. That was a huge red flag, a warning sign, and not enough was done in a timely manner to respond to that first event appropriately.
It's very sad.
Where was his manager's voice? His agent? His sister? His personal assistant for crying out loud?! I question if these people truly cared anything at all about him. I can't believe the recess absolutely no one with the power to reel him in. Larry Grahm?! Absolutely no one who thought to drop everything and go nurse him through whatever they may have thought was happening | |
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DonRants said: Here is another question. How do the authorithies know it was "accidental". He clearly wanted to be alone. Prince overdosed a week before on this stuff and he goes and takes it again...at some level ..wouldn't he know he was likely to overdose again? Is that case is it accidental or deliberate.
And what is the official report not telling us. We know the cause of death, but what was creating his health problems before his death.
Questions. Questions. ...and I still can't grasp what he could have meant by the eerie "save your prayers.."" line | |
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Found the answer to one of my questions in Andrew Kornfield's essay for CNN. This would explain how Prince could take this medication and think he would be OK and it ended up killing him. If this was what occurred with Prince then it is even more of a tradegy.
" When a user relapses after "going cold turkey" (the protocol in an abstinence-based program), and then takes the same dose that he or she previously tolerated, that dose may prove fatal. "
Full article:http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/03/opinions/man-who-found-prince-kornfeld/index.html
Man who found Prince: 'Nothing can prepare' youStory highlights
(CNN)As the media has duly noted, I am the "pre-med student" who flew out to Minneapolis to help Prince find the road to recovery but who ended up calling 911 instead. Sadly, we now understand from th...'s report that he died from a self-administered dose of the powerful synthetic opioid painkiller, Fentanyl. I know many of you are eager for details; understandably, you want to know what transpired that day. Believe me, nothing can prepare a person to walk into such chaos and sadness. As I told the 911 dispatcher on April 21, those on the scene were distraught, which was why I was the one to place the call. But what happened has made me think, long and hard, about what steps we must take to prevent such entirely unnecessary loss of life.
From the beginning, my dad, Howard Kornfeld, MD, instilled in me a love for the way life works, in all its beauty and complexity. We spent our days together exploring Northern California's mountains and oceans -- the wonders of the place we call home. The evenings found us in a big comfortable chair, where we pored over images of cells and animals in the pages of a well-thumbed biology textbook. He taught me that health is the foundation to all else, in regard to human life.
While I was finishing elementary school, my dad emerged as a pioneer in the fields of pain and addiction medicine, joining a cadre of physicians who utilized new, evidence-based practices for their opioid-dependent patients. A medication called buprenorphine was at the forefront of their work. Its efficacy in treating addiction has since been well-documented. Patients with opioid addictions have a significantly higher chance of survival when buprenorphine is part of their treatment.
Many people become addicted to opioid painkillers because they are prescribed them as treatment for chronic pain conditions. The media reported that Prince was one such patient. But, as media reports over the last several years have made clear, what begins as a "harmless" short-term prescription of opioids can turn into a long-term dependence.
I have Crohn's Disease, an autoimmune disorder that afflicts the gastrointestinal tract, so I am no stranger to chronic pain. While I am extremely healthy now, during my sickest moments, and in the aftermath of multiple surgeries, there is nothing I wouldn't have done to escape the agony. The millions of individuals who suffer from chronic pain are familiar with this sense of desperation. They run the gamut: your next door neighbors, the celebrities you read about in magazines at the supermarket checkout, and yes -- Prince.
His death was a tragedy beyond words. He was an inspiration to so many, and in the brief time I spent in Minnesota, I saw just how good a friend he was to those closest to him. In the weeks that have passed since April 21, I have thought about what might have produced a different outcome. What if his troubles could have been addressed effectively, and much sooner?
Unfortunately, the timely care Prince may have needed, based on the medical examiner's report, has been difficult to obtain in Minnesota, and in many states in our nation. According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, there are 120 buprenorphine prescribers in the state, roughly 2.2 physicians certified to prescribe the drug, per 100,000 persons -- not nearly enough.
Right now, we need medical interventions for opioid dependence and addiction more than ever, because in the U.S. we're losing 28,000 people every year -- a number that would average out to 77 people daily -- to opioid overdoses. In addition, evidence suggests that we must call into question the success of abstinence-only methods.
When a user relapses after "going cold turkey" (the protocol in an abstinence-based program), and then takes the same dose that he or she previously tolerated, that dose may prove fatal. Treatment with buprenorphine instead not only diminishes the chances of overdose, but also reduces the likelihood that the patient will relapse.
I have learned from my father that when a patient is in withdrawal (especially from opioids or benzodiazepines, which reduce anxiety or sleep problems), he or she will experience intense physical symptoms, coupled with feelings of vulnerability and powerlessness. Because buprenorphine helps to eliminate the craving for opioids, and reduces the brutal symptoms, it can give the patient the opportunity to develop healthy life habits and healing behaviors, which can readily become entrenched.
Over the last two decades, the overwhelming scientific consensus holds that such beneficial brain changes can occur at any time in life. Harnessing the full potential of what scientists call neuroplasticity doesn't happen overnight, and more research is required, but it is possible that part of buprenorphine's success lies in its ability allow such neurological changes to take place.
As I make my plans to apply to medical school, my father's work is foremost in my mind. As the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has made amply evident in announcements over the past two months, we are going to be dealing with the fallout of the opioid crisis for decades. There will be legislative challenges, as well as stigma and misinformation to battle, as we inch toward a meaningful solution.
It is easy to find yourself caught in a web of pain, and difficult to escape. I know this. So do many of my father's patients, treated with buprenorphine, who have mustered the energy and the courage to come join me as we paddle surfboards in the chilly waters off of Northern California's coastline, the sunlight near the horizon interrupted occasionally as near-perfect waves roll in.
What if my father and had been able to reach Prince just a week earlier, like so many others we have helped take back their lives? Prince could have been here, standing on the beach beside me.
Editor's note: This commentary was updated to clarify a passage on the danger of resuming the use of opioids, even at the same dosage, after "cold turkey" abstinence.
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My most recent favorite Prince song is Anna Stesia that was released on Love Sexy in 1988. I didn't give the title a second thought other than to make sure that I remembered it so I could reccommend the song to others. When the news came out that Prince died of a fentanyl overdose, the song title Anna Stesia (Anesthesia) made my heart hurt. I think he may have been using fentanyl sinse 1988. There are so many 'What ifs?' that you can make yourself crazy thinking about them. The bottom line is; it never should have happened, it almost didn't happen, but it did happen. And we all have to find our own way to come to terms with it. More than anything else, I blame the war on drugs, because it make it harder for people to get the help they need. [Edited 6/7/16 9:28am] "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Donald Trump | |
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Imagine being the person, or people, who WATCHED Prince die on that plane!! ...and you think YOUR life is traumatic! I feel for those people... | |
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Right! And the only ones who can make that change is his family, by releasing results and his previous complications.
I am as big a fan as there is, but let's face it, the man was a walking contradiction. I'de like to believe that he lead a clean lifestyle, away from recreational drugs, but which reports do you believe? Some say he was on cocaine since the 80's and he was always the man with the most energy in the room. Some say he was in pain, but i never seen him wince or limp or even use that cane that he carried. All i seen was pimp-walking struts. For the casual fan, if there are no answers, you are correct, he'll go down as another rock star who died from drug excess. I fear that the lack of response from family and close friends is an attempt to avoid opening up a pandora's box into his lifestyle. That is my worst fear.
For now, i'm going with the pain management theory. Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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DonRants said:
I could not disagree with you more. Blackbear is right. Everybody is a "yes man" to the person who pays their salary. Prince was alone because he wanted to be. Even the chef said when he brought him the food, he said : "Leave it !" and did not engage in banter or the usual pleasantries.
If Prince had asked people to be there, they would have been there. Not everyone around prince was a yes man. What about the family and friends? They all knew about the plane landing. Even if one or a few of them could have insisted in being with him or doing something. Today those people are going to benefit from his money, yes they're grieving and I feel for them but where were they when he needed them? Baby, you're a star.
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After reading that CNN article I included in my last post...where it states that using a regular dose can prove fatal...I don't think Prince or anyone else thought he would die that night. It is a tragedy. In addition, I would not blaime the people around him or Prince. Both Prince and his handlers realised he had a problem...and help was on the way in the form of addiction specialists. Andrew kronfield was just a few hours late or Prince might be alive today. It is sad. Really sad. To All the Haters on the Internet
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Are you sure they or some of them are grieving? Some or a few might be schemers waiting for his dimise waiting to get their cut or as you say "benefit from his money"! Because after that plane landing sombody should had him directly with a Minnesota addiciton and/or pain management specialists!!! Unless Prince was too hard headed and stubborn to do so? That is No Dakota appearance, No Saturday night event, etc. etc. For Exampl, the hospital tried to get him to stay in Moline and he refused that. So lot of things are questionable. | |
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I hope not that he died from an overdose does not in any way take away that he was one of the best we had - that is why i am hoping his videos will be accessable to future generations and for us as long as we live. He was the ultimate musician and performer. | |
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It's possible that it could have been the third overdose he'd had in recent weeks. The short notice cancellation of the Atlanta concerts - in retrospect, that could have been down to an overdose. Pure conjecture of course, but it would further explain the seeming urgency of the intervention that was planned for April 21st... | |
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Something about addiction or dependency I just remembered in my own experience... You try to help yourself but at the same time you hurt yourself. It's a strange paradox of being afraid to not have your numbing agent even though somethings f inside you knows you're hurting yourself. Also we don't know if even THAT was a part of it. Consider this: It was said that he was very irritable those last days. I think that was from not having pain meds after Moline. Then he might've given up and went out and got some at Walgreens thinking, "I'll take just a little." Hoping for the best, nor being able to withstand the physical pain anymore, not to mention the awful mental and physical detox symptoms. That's probably why he barked at the chef. Or, maybe he was terrified that he had just taken some pain meds and it came out as anger at the chef. Actually I hadn't heard about him barking at the chef and don't know what the source of that story is. I tried to detox from something less additive than fentanyl and didn't even have PHYSICALS pain...I couldn't do it. I had to go inpatient and the detox was frickin' miserable. They rip you off the stuff was too fast and up not think you're ever the same after that. I was a paranoid, shaky mess for at least 6 months and don't think my nervous system was really ever the same afterwards. Also, PP was his home. You can't force yourself to stay in someone's house. Obviously his friends tried to get him help but anyone who's ever been to alanon knows you cannot make someone do something. Also, remember the article his Australian photographer wrote in late April saying that there seemed to e am acceptance about him, and after the shoot he came back in unexpectedly and gave her the most quiet, lovely thank you...she said it didn't make sense until later, or something to that effect. He might've had a feeling somewhere inside of him that things were coming to a halt or something like that...he might've also just wanted to stop fighting, at the same time as he was trying. This is all supposition but the main thing I feel is that Prince was scared and in a lot of pain. We do not know what it's like being in someone else's body or mind and the suffering other people go through. The fear, the pain... I think it is so short-sighted for people to judge him. Until you walk in another person's shoes, you don't know their truth. And if you k ew someone's whole story, you'd have nothing but compassion for them. God bless you, Love. Also, | |
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I understand you're angry like alot of the orgers on here, but the part that you don't think about and don't want accept is maybe he WANTED to be alone. Maybe people tried to stay close to him and he wouldn't let them. We as long time fans knew how he was.
I remember hearing that at the end Michael Jackson had gotten to where he wouldn't even listen to MOTHER and you knew when it got to that point that was the end. Listen to Way Back Home again. [Edited 6/7/16 17:29pm] [Edited 6/9/16 18:50pm] [Edited 6/9/16 18:51pm] [Edited 6/9/16 18:52pm] | |
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Prince was in no shape to call the shots on his medical care. The worst thing that's come out, imo, is that he was seen by a doctor at least three times in the 7 days before he died, and not hospitalized. | |
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I so agree. It baffles me. Surely somebody in his circle of friends and family loved him enough and was smart enought to see the writing on the wall. | |
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look ....GOD gave him a 2nd chance by sending him back after first OD.....he didnt take it | |
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But people need to be responsible for others when they are obviously struggling. He was so powerful, but surely somebody could have gotten through to him. He planned to meet the addiction specialist the next day..he was very vulnerable.
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There was no getting through to to him because you couldn't tell him nothing. He was a control freak, he was used to giving out orders not taking them. Yesterday morning on Tom Joyner he interviewed Billy Sparks and he revealed that Prince had hip surgery, but not a replacement. He didn't get replacement because he probably thought it would keep him down from performing for a while and Prince wasn't the type to sit still for long. Morris even said after he got replacement and told Prince about it and if P didn't follow his adivice then that's on him. And don't blame the JW faith on this, Prince did things his way. [Edited 6/9/16 18:53pm] | |
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funksterr said: Prince was in no shape to call the shots on his medical care. The worst thing that's come out, imo, is that he was seen by a doctor at least three times in the 7 days before he died, and not hospitalized. Has this been confirmed as fact? There's a lot of stuff floating out there coming from unnamed sources. Who knows how much of it is accurate. Paisley Park is in your heart
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yes that thought goes through my mind several times too and the person that drove him to the pharmacy the night before Thank you Prince for every note you left behind 💜 | |
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This is what I've been saying since day one. It seems to me sometimes that this death was performed, produced, arranged, and composed by Prince. As in life, so in death. Perhaps he had an underlying medical condition that he didn't ever want revealed, so he made sure the COD was 'accidental' overdose. Just because there wasn't a note, doesn't mean it wasn't intentional. | |
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This is what I've been saying since day one. It seems to me sometimes that this death was performed, produced, arranged, and composed by Prince. As in life, so in death. Perhaps he had an underlying medical condition that he didn't ever want revealed, so he made sure the COD was 'accidental' overdose. Just because there wasn't a note, doesn't mean it wasn't intentional. I feel like so much of the terminal illness/suicide theory is due to the blind item released on gossip sites a day or two after the emergency plane landing for the mysterious flu illness. People immediately guessed it was about Prince and in the next day or two he was gone. I'm thinking that the facts and the rumors became permantly intertwined for some after that | |
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This might seem odd but something in my gut says that prince had pancreatic cancer and knew that his time was coming closer to the end. He might have been having chemotherapy done elsewhere and that might account for why he picked up prescriptions further from his home than the pharmacies that were closer..he may have been picking them up closer to the place where he was being treated. Another thing is that I almost have the sense that he could have decided that he wanted to go out of this world on his own terms and not succumbed to any disease... also he wasn't eating the way that he once was and his eyes seemed to be less lively.. there was a foreboding nothingness in them... like when you've lost all zeal and you're just there because you should be. Another thing is that he did just overdose as stated by the released fentanyl being too much for him after all the opiates had been cleared from his system by the narcan... so he put it on and was going about his business when his breathing stopped and he fell in the elevator and expired. Sad but true... Lastly.. the part that concerns me most...is that he DID Reach out to someone and invite them to stay a couple days with him after the plane incident.. and they told him that their schedule wouldn't allow it... Tamron hall.. and for people like prince (and me) that could be taken 2 ways... as in 1 - ok cool.. no scene.. do your thing and life goes on or 2 - wow this shit just happened to me and I need someone to be there and you can't make it. Ok cool. I guess that's how it is then.. well ok.. with a quiet resentment and that invite will never come again because to him it could have been a rare reach out for help (instead of being the one to always and constantly help others) and when that rebuff comes.. it automatically triggers a self protection mechanism that makes you decide that you don't want ANYBODY around at all now. Like u don't need them.. so everybody gotta go..and you retreat into yourself and don't want any company at all. I've had that reaction a few times well....and I know where it stems from.... | |
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More to the story will only make things more tragic, just leave it be. Prince fired anyone who challenged him (bands, girlfriends, managers, labels, whatever) even when people had good intentions and good ideas he separated himself from everyone in the end. | |
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Icequeen78. If he was having chemotherapy you would have seen the signs. All his hair would have fallen out including eyebrows and lashes. He did not look like someone undergoing chemotherapy. Baby, you're a star.
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Its that simple. All this other bitchassness shows how weak people are these days Save America - Stop Illegal Immigration. God bless America. PEACE | |
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