PeteSilas said:

if he was an enabler, they need to nail him, it's something that should be looked into fuckwit.

No need for name calling, I was only asking what you thought Kirky J should be "nailed" for.

dazwizz said:

1. Why was he alone six days after he nearly died.

2. Someone was giving him this medication. He didn't carry or own a mobile phone, wallet or even a watch.

3. What's the point in worrying about the above? He is gone. May his soul rest in peace.

autismrocks said:

1. Why was he alone six days after he nearly died.

2. Someone was giving him this medication. He didn't carry or own a mobile phone, wallet or even a watch.

3. What's the point in worrying about the above? He is gone. May his soul rest in peace.

SheLovesMeNot said:

jonnylawson said:

Wow ....and this isn't locked ? Now the fuckwits want to " nail kirk Johnson "

Crazy isn't it. These people talk totally crazy!

look , conrad murray went to jail for the mj thing, dr. nichopolous lost his license after Elvis, if someone was giving Prince anything, they should pay,it's not crazy it's the way things are.

SheLovesMeNot said:

jonnylawson said:

Wow ....and this isn't locked ? Now the fuckwits want to " nail kirk Johnson "

Crazy isn't it. These people talk totally crazy!

look , conrad murray went to jail for the mj thing, dr. nichopolous lost his license after Elvis, if someone was giving Prince anything, they should pay,it's not crazy it's the way things are.

Baduizm said:

PeteSilas said:

if he was an enabler, they need to nail him, it's something that should be looked into fuckwit.

No need for name calling, I was only asking what you thought Kirky J should be "nailed" for.

i wsn't talking to you, i was talking to johnny whoever that is, he called us all fuckwits.

purplethunder3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, me too, i just assumed he'd live like chuck berry and little richard and jerry lee, never thought they'd all outlive HIM!

I never thought I'd be going to Bootsy Collins Rubber Band 40th Anniversary after Prince died.

Awww man! You're seeing Bootsy?? I'm so jealous right now. Dang.

'I'm strecthing out on the funk. I'm stretching out on some serious funk. La la la la la la la la...'

tish9311 said:

spastic78 said:

nursev said: About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst.

Gives me something to think about. My doctors love to give me Tramadol for pain. I don't take it. I wonder why pain is the worst between 2 and 4 am, I will have to look into that. THanks for sharing your story.

I have a theory as to why pain is worse in the middle of the night. When I have a DVT my pain is always worse at night, and almost every time I've had to go to the ER is in the middle of the night because I was able to get through the pain during the day, but at night it is absolutely at its worst. My theory has always been that during the day there is a lot of activity going on in the world around me and my senses are fully engaged with the outside world, because they have to be for protective reasons. Therefore, my pain is decreased because my attention is not on the pain but on the world outside. My attention and focus is divided. At night, however, the world basically sleeps and my attention is pulled from the outer world, to the inner world and there is nothing to distract my attention from my pain, so that the pain is greatly increased because all of my focus and attention is on the pain. I do not have to be as aware of the outside world so my senses withdraw from the outer world and turn inward. Even if I were to get up and try to distract myself, there are still few distractions so not all of my senses have to be fully engaged and therefore they remain centered on the self. *shrugs* May not be actually the why of it, but it's a theory I've held for many years living with the pain I would get.

1contessa said:

mimi1956 said:

Nobody really knew that Barbra Streisand and Carly Simon had crippiling stage fright either until they cam out and spoke about. They're professionals, htey hide things well.

I can't somehow picture Prince having stage fright either, but you are right about professionals hiding things well, because Prince's reportedly drug use is perfect proof.

I remember, it seems, during an interview one time in which Prince stated he didn't like to talk, that he felt shy. It was only when he was performing that he confident in what he was doing. The stage fright could be that initial phase before he got on stage, feeling very self-conscious, until he actually got on stage and passed that initial phase.

benni said:

tish9311 said:

Gives me something to think about. My doctors love to give me Tramadol for pain. I don't take it. I wonder why pain is the worst between 2 and 4 am, I will have to look into that. THanks for sharing your story.

I have a theory as to why pain is worse in the middle of the night. When I have a DVT my pain is always worse at night, and almost every time I've had to go to the ER is in the middle of the night because I was able to get through the pain during the day, but at night it is absolutely at its worst. My theory has always been that during the day there is a lot of activity going on in the world around me and my senses are fully engaged with the outside world, because they have to be for protective reasons. Therefore, my pain is decreased because my attention is not on the pain but on the world outside. My attention and focus is divided. At night, however, the world basically sleeps and my attention is pulled from the outer world, to the inner world and there is nothing to distract my attention from my pain, so that the pain is greatly increased because all of my focus and attention is on the pain. I do not have to be as aware of the outside world so my senses withdraw from the outer world and turn inward. Even if I were to get up and try to distract myself, there are still few distractions so not all of my senses have to be fully engaged and therefore they remain centered on the self. *shrugs* May not be actually the why of it, but it's a theory I've held for many years living with the pain I would get.

That makes complete sense. It's also the time when major worries, concerns, etc. that people are able to put off during the day come back to bother people and prevent them from sleeping.

purplethunder3121 said:

benni said:

I have a theory as to why pain is worse in the middle of the night. When I have a DVT my pain is always worse at night, and almost every time I've had to go to the ER is in the middle of the night because I was able to get through the pain during the day, but at night it is absolutely at its worst. My theory has always been that during the day there is a lot of activity going on in the world around me and my senses are fully engaged with the outside world, because they have to be for protective reasons. Therefore, my pain is decreased because my attention is not on the pain but on the world outside. My attention and focus is divided. At night, however, the world basically sleeps and my attention is pulled from the outer world, to the inner world and there is nothing to distract my attention from my pain, so that the pain is greatly increased because all of my focus and attention is on the pain. I do not have to be as aware of the outside world so my senses withdraw from the outer world and turn inward. Even if I were to get up and try to distract myself, there are still few distractions so not all of my senses have to be fully engaged and therefore they remain centered on the self. *shrugs* May not be actually the why of it, but it's a theory I've held for many years living with the pain I would get.

That makes complete sense. It's also the time when major worries, concerns, etc. that people are able to put off during the day come back to bother people and prevent them from sleeping.

Exactly. But I've learned with meditation that an acceptance of the pain (not fighting it, not wanting to not be in pain) goes a long way toward decreasing the pain, but it takes a lot of practice to get in that mind state. I used to do it when I was always in pain, I described it to the doctors as "rising above the pain" (didn't know how else to explain it back then - knew nothing about meditation really). But there were times when I couldn't get above the pain, when it was its most severe. So definitely didn't have it perfected.

Rebeljuice said:

CROWNS1 said:

No way could he be a Fentanyl addict all these years and stay upright. He had an Iphone. He had a will. Our Beloved will make it all come to pass, we just have to be patient .

benni said:

1contessa said:

I can't somehow picture Prince having stage fright either, but you are right about professionals hiding things well, because Prince's reportedly drug use is perfect proof.

I remember, it seems, during an interview one time in which Prince stated he didn't like to talk, that he felt shy. It was only when he was performing that he confident in what he was doing. The stage fright could be that initial phase before he got on stage, feeling very self-conscious, until he actually got on stage and passed that initial phase.

Yes, it's the thinking about it, being in front of all those people, worrying about screwing up. But when they start performing the magic happens.

SheLovesMeNot said:

CROWNS1 said:

Exactly. I haven't once thought he used any drugs for grins and giggles. I do think it's possible he used them in the beginning for nerves, or to help him relax or sleep. He had a tough life growing up. Living in a friends basement at the age of 12 because your father kicks you out and your mother just let you go? I doubt he was anywhere near prepared emotionally for the fame that came so fast to him. Combined with being young, insecure, and ignorant of the industry, the fact that he may have used these meds to self medicate is entirely possible. He sure would't be the first to do so and he won't be the last. I suspect he had a more serious illness though. Too odd that he calls Dez 2 weeks before he dies after not talking in what 14 years? Callilng old friends, mending fences, too many signs that something other than pain med dependence was going on.

Who even knows if that's true what Dez said! I don't believe what Manuela said either at recently reaching out to Prince to inform him of this school! Absurd to open a school in your ex husbands name while your still married to another, and if so such an idea, her husband's a fool! There were NO terminal illnesses get that through your head! Why do you insist on believing what yourself tells you. Prince was suffering with depression.

You should relax, it's not healthy to get all riled up I'll have my opinions and you have yours. That's what makes the world such a great place, yes?

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benni said:

purplethunder3121 said:

That makes complete sense. It's also the time when major worries, concerns, etc. that people are able to put off during the day come back to bother people and prevent them from sleeping.

Exactly. But I've learned with meditation that an acceptance of the pain (not fighting it, not wanting to not be in pain) goes a long way toward decreasing the pain, but it takes a lot of practice to get in that mind state. I used to do it when I was always in pain, I described it to the doctors as "rising above the pain" (didn't know how else to explain it back then - knew nothing about meditation really). But there were times when I couldn't get above the pain, when it was its most severe. So definitely didn't have it perfected.

You remind me of a news show or documentary I saw years go about a surgeon in South America who operated on people without anaesthesia. He used some form of hypnosis or meditation instead of medication. The patients were awake during surgery and asked if they were in pain. They said they weren't. I couldn't believe it. The power of the mind is amazing.

[Edited 6/3/16 17:18pm]

tish9311 said:

tish9311 said:

benni said:

purplethunder3121 said:

That makes complete sense. It's also the time when major worries, concerns, etc. that people are able to put off during the day come back to bother people and prevent them from sleeping.

Exactly. But I've learned with meditation that an acceptance of the pain (not fighting it, not wanting to not be in pain) goes a long way toward decreasing the pain, but it takes a lot of practice to get in that mind state. I used to do it when I was always in pain, I described it to the doctors as "rising above the pain" (didn't know how else to explain it back then - knew nothing about meditation really). But there were times when I couldn't get above the pain, when it was its most severe. So definitely didn't have it perfected.

bruce lee had a quote in his book once about the way to get rid of disease is to keep company with it. He had a serious back injury that caused him tons of pain, he said that it was a mind over matter thing. What caused him problems was the sheer stress of overnight fame and all the craziness that came with it, along with a temperament that was high strung and impossible to relax.

nursev said:

mailaccount63 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

....I too believe Prince would want us to have these discussions.

I also believe Prince would want us to have these discussions. Anyone who has excruciating, chronic pain knows how difficult it is to manage.

I have friend who is suffering from severe bouts of back and knee pain, getting worse over time. He had surgery on one knee and says that it is worse now than before surgery and refuses to have any more. I have to wonder if it is only a matter of time before he is forced to take a medication stronger than legal marijuana...

simm0061 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

benni said:

Exactly. But I've learned with meditation that an acceptance of the pain (not fighting it, not wanting to not be in pain) goes a long way toward decreasing the pain, but it takes a lot of practice to get in that mind state. I used to do it when I was always in pain, I described it to the doctors as "rising above the pain" (didn't know how else to explain it back then - knew nothing about meditation really). But there were times when I couldn't get above the pain, when it was its most severe. So definitely didn't have it perfected.

You remind me of a news show or documentary I saw years go about a surgeon in South America who operated on people without anaesthesia. He used some form of hypnosis or meditation instead of medication. The patients were awake during surgery and asked if they were in pain. They said they weren't. I couldn't believe it. The power of the mind is amazing.

[Edited 6/3/16 17:18pm]

Wow! I don't know that I would want to try to undergo surgery in that state, but that would definitely be the way to do it if one could. Too many things can go on when someone is "out" that they would have absolutely no awareness of. But, yes, the power of the mind is AMAZING. But there are still certain pains that I get, if I get a new clot of pulmonary embolism, that it is very difficult to find that focus.

PeteSilas said:

benni said:

Exactly. But I've learned with meditation that an acceptance of the pain (not fighting it, not wanting to not be in pain) goes a long way toward decreasing the pain, but it takes a lot of practice to get in that mind state. I used to do it when I was always in pain, I described it to the doctors as "rising above the pain" (didn't know how else to explain it back then - knew nothing about meditation really). But there were times when I couldn't get above the pain, when it was its most severe. So definitely didn't have it perfected.

bruce lee had a quote in his book once about the way to get rid of disease is to keep company with it. He had a serious back injury that caused him tons of pain, he said that it was a mind over matter thing. What caused him problems was the sheer stress of overnight fame and all the craziness that came with it, along with a temperament that was high strung and impossible to relax.

I love Bruce! He was another one that had a lot of wisdom. But I think I like that phrasing better "keep company" with the pain. It does come down to accepting the pain as a companion of sorts and not fighting it. I always found that my pain seemed so much more intense when I was insisting how much I didn't want to be in pain. I think because I always focused more of my attention on the pain at that time, thus the theory of hurting more in the middle of the night because there is nothing to distract your senses.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

If people are interesting in information regarding Fentanyl, here's a link.

http://reference.medscape...-999646#0