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Reply #30 posted 03/31/03 8:59am

rdhull

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He was thinking of fucking his sister.Kidding.
Punk rock shock effect influence.
He went from disco dandy to off the deep end..."yes this is Prince..and he's really different now"-Right On magazine cover.
Just like the Stones and Led Zep before him (see Shattered and Wearin n Tearin) he was taken by some of the punk scene of the times and didn't want his music to seem irrelevant to youth culture. Punk added that vogor and added umphh to some artists repetoire.

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[This message was edited Mon Mar 31 9:02:48 PST 2003 by rdhull]
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #31 posted 03/31/03 9:18am

FirstAvenue

oh puhleeze, like some of YOU people didn't experiment or think about experimenting with your cousins, brothers and sisters...wink
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Reply #32 posted 03/31/03 9:44am

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It's clear that he's saying "My sister never made love to anyone else but me...she's the reason for my,[b]uh[b],sexuality".

It's not:
Bi-sexuality
or
Fucking sexuality

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ARJUN: funk-indie-rock-jazz-groove trio just released their debut album entitled, "Pieces"
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Reply #33 posted 03/31/03 9:45am

AndreCrabtreeI
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It's clear that he's saying "My sister never made love to anyone else but me...she's the reason for my,uh sexuality".

It's not:
Bi-sexuality
or
Fucking sexuality

GO BACK AND LISTEN!!!
www.arjunmusic.com

www.myspace.com/arjunmusic

www.cdbaby.com/arjuntunes

ARJUN: funk-indie-rock-jazz-groove trio just released their debut album entitled, "Pieces"
It's an instrumental outing with heavy grooves and improvisation.
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Reply #34 posted 03/31/03 10:36am

CAMILLE4U

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He was thinking ‘How am I gonna get this record into the pop charts as well as the R+B chart and therefore get a contract to make another 3 albums, hmmm…I know…”


Marketing genius
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Reply #35 posted 03/31/03 11:55am

mistermaxxx

CalhounSq said:

mistermaxxx said:

Anji said:

DavidEye said:

Was Prince abused a child? Sometimes you have to wonder.In 1980,he does a song called "Sister",which basically claims he was raped by his sister.Then,in 1994,he does a song called "Papa",where he basically says he was physically abused by his father.
Papa also sounds like it was designed to be shocking; I'd be surprised if it's autobiographical.
I believe that Song to be a Fact&while it wasn't a Song that totally knocks me out I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.as for "Sister" believe it or not Relatives can even try to turn out there own Flesh&Blood.while the song plays into the Context of Taboo Pop&Subject Matter there may be a Bigger story there that just hasn't been fully told?


It always comes back to MJ w/ you, don't it?? lol
not always&Hardly ever but something about "Papa" made me think of MJ back when i first heard it.
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Reply #36 posted 03/31/03 11:57am

mistermaxxx

CalhounSq said:

mistermaxxx said:

Anji said:

DavidEye said:

Was Prince abused a child? Sometimes you have to wonder.In 1980,he does a song called "Sister",which basically claims he was raped by his sister.Then,in 1994,he does a song called "Papa",where he basically says he was physically abused by his father.
Papa also sounds like it was designed to be shocking; I'd be surprised if it's autobiographical.
I believe that Song to be a Fact&while it wasn't a Song that totally knocks me out I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.as for "Sister" believe it or not Relatives can even try to turn out there own Flesh&Blood.while the song plays into the Context of Taboo Pop&Subject Matter there may be a Bigger story there that just hasn't been fully told?


It always comes back to MJ w/ you, don't it?? lol
Some Songs make you can think of other people like for instance"I hate U" made me think of OJ&Nicole Simpson.A Really Good to Great Songwriter can do that for you.
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Reply #37 posted 03/31/03 12:32pm

Supernova

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dodger said:

'incest is everything it's said to be'
what the fuck is that about? what the fuck is that shit about?

Can any of the wise old school (supernova, calhoun sq, rdhull, etc) offer an explaination or defence for 'sister'?


That's the exact response the younger Prince wanted out of people. The entire DM album is supposed to shake people out of a potential let's just dance atmosphere at the tail end of the disco era. I don't know about it being autobiographical, and I tend to doubt that it is, but I could be completely wrong. If it's real all the right people know about it, because Prince and nobody else in his family has let the cat out of the bag. But you have to realize; no matter how shocking it is to some, a song's author, or a writer in general doesn't always write from personal experience.

Back then, outside of Funk the only people in music who were trying to dethrone the common mindset of the status quo (i.e. DISCO) were Punk rockers; "Sister" is punk in spirit, with sped-up, Johnny Ramone-ish guitar riffs thru and thru. Prince wanted a different kind of attention than everyone else was getting, because he knew that he was different than everybody else. And eventually he got what he wanted.

I don't know if I would necessarily defend "Sister"...but the content could have been different with everything else about the song being the same, and I'd still like it. biggrin Especially the way it flows into "Partyup"...
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #38 posted 03/31/03 12:46pm

SonnySixkiller

"Sister" is actually one of my favorite Prince songs. It's punk in spirit AND sound, and is just plain BLATANT!

For a thorough explanation of the song's meaning, check out "The Lyrics of Prince." I can't remember the author's, name, but it's a wonderful, well-researched book.
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Reply #39 posted 03/31/03 1:10pm

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dodger said:

* Playing on sexuality, race, religion
* Explicit lyrics
* Bikini briefs and trench-coats
* Ejaculating guitar

That was all cool back then - but...

'incest is everything it's said to be'
what the fuck is that about? what the fuck is that shit about?

Can any of the wise old school (supernova, calhoun sq, rdhull, etc) offer an explaination or defence for 'sister'?


Isn't this when queen627 comes in with a "hint"...
I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos
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Reply #40 posted 03/31/03 1:12pm

Handclapsfinga
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gypsyfire said:

Isn't this when queen627 comes in with a "hint"...

evillol

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Reply #41 posted 03/31/03 2:38pm

NWF

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Essence said:

DavidEye said:

Anji said:

gainsbourg said:

Does he really say "She's the reason for my bi-sexuality"?
lol




That's what I always assumed he said...lol...does anyone have the correct lyric?


It fades the word out but I always assumed "She's the reason for my FUCKED up sexuality" was implied.


I always thought it was "She's the reason for my sexuality".
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Reply #42 posted 03/31/03 2:50pm

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DavidEye said:

Musically,I think the song is great.Very punkish and aggressive.I love how it segues into "Partyup".

Very punkish indeed, when he played it in the lovesexy concert the drum playing reminded me of punk music...
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Reply #43 posted 03/31/03 3:37pm

misschestylaru
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CalhounSq said:

mistermaxxx said:

Anji said:

DavidEye said:

Was Prince abused a child? Sometimes you have to wonder.In 1980,he does a song called "Sister",which basically claims he was raped by his sister.Then,in 1994,he does a song called "Papa",where he basically says he was physically abused by his father.
Papa also sounds like it was designed to be shocking; I'd be surprised if it's autobiographical.
I believe that Song to be a Fact&while it wasn't a Song that totally knocks me out I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.as for "Sister" believe it or not Relatives can even try to turn out there own Flesh&Blood.while the song plays into the Context of Taboo Pop&Subject Matter there may be a Bigger story there that just hasn't been fully told?


It always comes back to MJ w/ you, don't it?? lol



Right. evillol
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Reply #44 posted 03/31/03 3:42pm

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NWF said:

I always thought it was "She's the reason for my sexuality".

that's it!!! like i said earlier, some of u gotta clean out your ears...disbelief
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Reply #45 posted 03/31/03 3:54pm

BinaryJustin

I thought it was about his step-sister. I believe he had a step-sister whom he lived with at some point.

And yes, I think that he was talking of her "fucking him over" rather than fucking him.

If anything, I think the song is about how family and sexuality should be separated.

I'm assuming that he saw his step-sister's home as a place of refuge but she possibly confused his needs with her misplaced affection.

The lyrics are really ambiguous but it seems certain that when Prince expressed distaste for whatever she did to him, she would threaten with throwing him out: Don't put me on the streets again...

I've always heard the scream as a plea to his mother: "Oh, Mother - fuck her, She's just a motherfucker, can't you understand?" - even if the lyrics aren't printed that way, it seems to be what he's saying.

And yes, he does say "Incest is everything it's said to be" but what is incest said to be? Bad... He's saying it was a bad situation - not good.

Its a brilliant song.

p.s. I always heard the line in contention as "She's the reason for my odd sexuality.
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Reply #46 posted 03/31/03 3:56pm

DigitalLisa

You either go with the flow or don't go at all wink ...
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Reply #47 posted 03/31/03 3:57pm

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BinaryJustin said:

I thought it was about his step-sister. I believe he had a step-sister whom he lived with at some point.

And yes, I think that he was talking of her "fucking him over" rather than fucking him.

If anything, I think the song is about how family and sexuality should be separated.

I'm assuming that he saw his step-sister's home as a place of refuge but she possibly confused his needs with her misplaced affection.

The lyrics are really ambiguous but it seems certain that when Prince expressed distaste for whatever she did to him, she would threaten with throwing him out: Don't put me on the streets again...

I've always heard the scream as a plea to his mother: "Oh, Mother - fuck her, She's just a motherfucker, can't you understand?" - even if the lyrics aren't printed that way, it seems to be what he's saying.

And yes, he does say "Incest is everything it's said to be" but what is incest said to be? Bad... He's saying it was a bad situation - not good.

Its a brilliant song.

p.s. I always heard the line in contention as "She's the reason for my odd sexuality.

I don't think him saying she was 32 lovely and loose meant she fucked him over...I still think this song is about P's BIG BLACK SUGA MOMMA...heard she a black and decka pecka wrecka...wink
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Reply #48 posted 03/31/03 4:01pm

Handclapsfinga
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pejman said:

...heard she a black and decka pecka wrecka...wink

evillol
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Reply #49 posted 03/31/03 4:08pm

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mistermaxxx said:

CalhounSq said:

mistermaxxx said:

Anji said:

DavidEye said:

Was Prince abused a child? Sometimes you have to wonder.In 1980,he does a song called "Sister",which basically claims he was raped by his sister.Then,in 1994,he does a song called "Papa",where he basically says he was physically abused by his father.
Papa also sounds like it was designed to be shocking; I'd be surprised if it's autobiographical.
I believe that Song to be a Fact&while it wasn't a Song that totally knocks me out I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.as for "Sister" believe it or not Relatives can even try to turn out there own Flesh&Blood.while the song plays into the Context of Taboo Pop&Subject Matter there may be a Bigger story there that just hasn't been fully told?


It always comes back to MJ w/ you, don't it?? lol
not always&Hardly ever but something about "Papa" made me think of MJ back when i first heard it.

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Prince said on Oprah that his father was abusive towards him. I don 't think that Papa has anything to do with Mike.
I just think he wrote a song about it to get it off of his chest.
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Reply #50 posted 03/31/03 4:48pm

morningsong

The whole album was suppose to stir up some type of controversy, according the the press I read years ago. Something on the lines that this was the last album on the first contract that Prince signed with Warner Bros., so I would just say he was going for whatever...letting it fly.
Obviously it worked!!!

All these years I thought he said that..."she was too busy worrying about my sexuality." How many interpetation can there be out there? Isn't there a lyric sheet out there somewhere?
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Reply #51 posted 03/31/03 5:00pm

WatchThemFall

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Harlequin said:

Its just a song, christ it isnt like he actuall released a clip of him having sex with his sister.

I actually think the song is quite good, and amuzing in a way. And the actual lyric is "She's the reason for my, uh, sexuality"

As for Papa, it is another great song, I think you are all reading to much in2 all of this. Next U will b saying that he was suicidal when he wrote Sometimes it Snows in April.

http://www.discography.de/index0.html

Um, I have that clip... its from Kazaa
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Reply #52 posted 03/31/03 5:10pm

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Does the title of the album itself reveal the answer(s) about the song, Sister?
It's called: Dirty Mind
Dirty thoughts, fantasies, ideas, etc.
Not that he actually experienced a sexual relationship with his sister??? But that he lyrically expressed something that has certainly crossed everyone's mind- a taboo thought???
I don't know if this is what Prince meant, but it's just another possibility and I raise the question.
The subject matter would certainly stir up a hornet's nest.

If'n she ain't good enough fer her dad 'n brothers, she ain't good enough fer nobody.
The old Tennessee, Kentucky, W. Virginia, back in the hollers, hillbilly, mountain men stereotype. Wonder why this song was never marketed to and never caught on on the country charts???
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Reply #53 posted 03/31/03 5:18pm

MrBliss

mistermaxxx said:...speaking about "papa"
I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.


i'm speechless
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Reply #54 posted 03/31/03 5:20pm

rdhull

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MrBliss said:

mistermaxxx said:...speaking about "papa"
I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.


i'm speechless

lol
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #55 posted 03/31/03 5:21pm

Handclapsfinga
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rdhull said:

MrBliss said:

mistermaxxx said:...speaking about "papa"
I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.


i'm speechless

lol

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Reply #56 posted 03/31/03 5:43pm

lovebizzare

okay, I'ma break it down:

"incest is everything it's said to be"-incest is said to be bad, so he's saying it's bad.

His sister teaches him and then fucks him-she teahces him and then fucks him over

And i hate to burst your bubble, purple kool-aid drinkers, but this song in purely tongue-in-cheek. He never fanticized about his sister or anything like that. He did it to get people's attention to piss people off.


And the actual line is:"she's the reason for my, uh, sexuality. TOP TRYIN' TO HEAR THINGS THAT AIN'T THERE, PEOPLES.
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Reply #57 posted 03/31/03 5:45pm

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lovebizzare said:

And the actual line is:"she's the reason for my, uh, sexuality. TOP TRYIN' TO HEAR THINGS THAT AIN'T THERE, PEOPLES.


lol
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #58 posted 03/31/03 5:49pm

Handclapsfinga
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lovebizzare said:

okay, I'ma break it down:

"incest is everything it's said to be"-incest is said to be bad, so he's saying it's bad.

His sister teaches him and then fucks him-she teahces him and then fucks him over

And i hate to burst your bubble, purple kool-aid drinkers, but this song in purely tongue-in-cheek. He never fanticized about his sister or anything like that. He did it to get people's attention to piss people off.


And the actual line is:"she's the reason for my, uh, sexuality. TOP TRYIN' TO HEAR THINGS THAT AIN'T THERE, PEOPLES.

studded trenchcoat flappin in the breeze...so there!!!
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Reply #59 posted 03/31/03 6:27pm

mistermaxxx

laurarichardson said:

mistermaxxx said:

CalhounSq said:

mistermaxxx said:

Anji said:

DavidEye said:

Was Prince abused a child? Sometimes you have to wonder.In 1980,he does a song called "Sister",which basically claims he was raped by his sister.Then,in 1994,he does a song called "Papa",where he basically says he was physically abused by his father.
Papa also sounds like it was designed to be shocking; I'd be surprised if it's autobiographical.
I believe that Song to be a Fact&while it wasn't a Song that totally knocks me out I always thought this was a Song Prince did to say that I Understand what Michael Jackson has been through.I always thought this was Prince's Song for MJ in a Brother you aren't alone on this tip.as for "Sister" believe it or not Relatives can even try to turn out there own Flesh&Blood.while the song plays into the Context of Taboo Pop&Subject Matter there may be a Bigger story there that just hasn't been fully told?


It always comes back to MJ w/ you, don't it?? lol
not always&Hardly ever but something about "Papa" made me think of MJ back when i first heard it.
the Prince said on Oprah that his father was abusive towards him. I don 't think that Papa has anything to do with Mike.
I just think he wrote a song about it to get it off of his chest.
MJ's Pop's was Abusive towards Him as well&If MJ let His Guard down He might very well echo the same Sentiments but never mind folks just don't get it.
mistermaxxx
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