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Reply #750 posted 06/29/16 11:56am

laytonian

Anomaly999 said:

One thing that doesn't make ANY sense to me is the level of fentanyl required for a fatal dose. http://www.emcdda.europa....s/fentanyl This website indicates that, at least for an overdose that involves fentanyl by itself (i.e., no other drug mixtures), the level required to kill someone is 2 milligrams. Think about this.... 2 milligrams (mg) = #20 of those Duragesic patches, since the maximum dosage per each patch (in the largest dosage available, which is 100 mcg/that's *micrograms.* The amount of fentanyl required for an overdose is much much less if other drugs are present in the system at the same time. Now, since the medical examiner only had to release the reason for his passing (RIP), I would not necessarily expect to see any information on other medications that were ingested as well. Finally, please believe that my heart is completely and irreparably broken over all of this, but I think that the likelihood of anyone sticking #20 of the max dose 100 microgram patches on their body is extremely unlikely.

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I just read more than I ever want to know about it. The drug is more rapidly absorbed in a person with low body fat (ahem). It's also contraindicted for someone with a history of abusing another drug.

I've always assumed that they found a patch on him because (1) they knew immediately what the drug was and (2) it was stated that he had the drug(s) ON him.

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Reply #751 posted 06/29/16 12:44pm

nelcp777

Another thing that I have been trying to figure out is Prince's style of clothing. In the last year, he was completely covered. Now I am not saying he should be letting it all hang out, but he wore turtle necks, long sleeves and gloves and a jacket. Even the photo of Prince at Electric Fetus, he was similarly dressed, without the gloves.

In the years prior, he dressed what I describe as more comfortable clothing (like the 20Ten clothes).

I am curious if there was a reason behind the attire or just a new style/phase he was at. Any thoughts?

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Reply #752 posted 06/29/16 2:44pm

Tresha68

nelcp777 said:

Another thing that I have been trying to figure out is Prince's style of clothing. In the last year, he was completely covered. Now I am not saying he should be letting it all hang out, but he wore turtle necks, long sleeves and gloves and a jacket. Even the photo of Prince at Electric Fetus, he was similarly dressed, without the gloves.



In the years prior, he dressed what I describe as more comfortable clothing (like the 20Ten clothes).



I am curious if there was a reason behind the attire or just a new style/phase he was at. Any thoughts?




I often wonder if he was hiding a PIC line or Port for chemo? It was stated in an interview with Minneapolis Medical Examiner he used a patch. It out there somewhere, I watched it on CNN.
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Reply #753 posted 06/29/16 4:06pm

tmo1965

nelcp777 said:

Another thing that I have been trying to figure out is Prince's style of clothing. In the last year, he was completely covered. Now I am not saying he should be letting it all hang out, but he wore turtle necks, long sleeves and gloves and a jacket. Even the photo of Prince at Electric Fetus, he was similarly dressed, without the gloves.

In the years prior, he dressed what I describe as more comfortable clothing (like the 20Ten clothes).

I am curious if there was a reason behind the attire or just a new style/phase he was at. Any thoughts?

He was getting older and he had lost some weight in the past year. I had noticed that his neck was starting to wrinkle, so I wonder if he was hiding the signs of aging.

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Reply #754 posted 06/29/16 4:15pm

nelcp777

tmo1965 said:

nelcp777 said:

Another thing that I have been trying to figure out is Prince's style of clothing. In the last year, he was completely covered. Now I am not saying he should be letting it all hang out, but he wore turtle necks, long sleeves and gloves and a jacket. Even the photo of Prince at Electric Fetus, he was similarly dressed, without the gloves.

In the years prior, he dressed what I describe as more comfortable clothing (like the 20Ten clothes).

I am curious if there was a reason behind the attire or just a new style/phase he was at. Any thoughts?

He was getting older and he had lost some weight in the past year. I had noticed that his neck was starting to wrinkle, so I wonder if he was hiding the signs of aging.

A good point. I also heard he was anemic, could he dress that way to stay warm? The aging thing is a good idea. That also is the reason, in my opinion, why Prince began doing his own makeup and downsizing his entourage.

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Reply #755 posted 06/29/16 7:16pm

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The truth is, we are heartbroken and want closure..... and some of us need to know why...? Or How this happened for many of us to have closure... grieving a loss is not the same for everyone sad


I Concur .. 😔♊️💜
prince 💜💜💜 .. ( Forever💜♊️☔️☔️) my Heart is heavy and my words are few .. Rest East My Love .. My Love 4 You Will last for an Eternity..
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Reply #756 posted 06/29/16 7:40pm

herb4

Mumio said:

jtfolden said:

I really don't think this was inevitable, just tragic that nothing was done sooner.

Cool. You and I have a difference in opinion on this. I can live with that. Thanks for your comments.

[Edited 6/28/16 17:40pm]

Why are you so cryptic and suggestive all the time? You act like you know something the rest of don't but never post it.

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Reply #757 posted 06/30/16 4:53am

Eileen

Tresha68 said:

I often wonder if he was hiding a PIC line or Port for chemo? It was stated in an interview with Minneapolis Medical Examiner he used a patch. It out there somewhere, I watched it on CNN.


The Medical Examiner office involved has not given an interview about Prince's autopsy or medical history or death details or said he used a patch. They released the cause of death, along with a paper statement saying they would have no other comment.


CNN did an interview with a Michigan Medical Examiner who made general and speculative comments about Prince and the "opioid epidemic" and nothing to do with personal knowledge about Prince or his death.

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Reply #758 posted 06/30/16 9:23am

Mumio

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herb4 said:

Mumio said:

Cool. You and I have a difference in opinion on this. I can live with that. Thanks for your comments.

[Edited 6/28/16 17:40pm]

Why are you so cryptic and suggestive all the time? You act like you know something the rest of don't but never post it.

Hmmmm. I'm not sure why you feel that way based on my responses. If I've had something to say, then I've said it. What more is there beyond that?

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Reply #759 posted 06/30/16 12:15pm

herb4

Mumio said:

herb4 said:

Why are you so cryptic and suggestive all the time? You act like you know something the rest of don't but never post it.

Hmmmm. I'm not sure why you feel that way based on my responses. If I've had something to say, then I've said it. What more is there beyond that?

"Hmmmm....." See? You're doing it again and no you don't and no you haven't.

Thanks for proving my point though. You've posted in several threads about how we don't know the truth, advising us to read between the lines, connect the dots, hold the liner notes of Lovesexy up to the light under a full moon, look at what "they" DON'T say and telling us that it's "all right there and all we have to do is LOOK" as if we're all a bunch of plebes and you are uniquely privy to super secret insider information about Prince's death.

You've done it a lot actually.

Not in this thread but on this board. You're SOOOOO edgy and mysterious. As I suspected, you know nothing of the sort or you would have spilled it by now.

[Edited 6/30/16 12:17pm]

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Reply #760 posted 06/30/16 12:37pm

Tresha68

Eileen said:



Tresha68 said:


I often wonder if he was hiding a PIC line or Port for chemo? It was stated in an interview with Minneapolis Medical Examiner he used a patch. It out there somewhere, I watched it on CNN.


The Medical Examiner office involved has not given an interview about Prince's autopsy or medical history or death details or said he used a patch. They released the cause of death, along with a paper statement saying they would have no other comment.



CNN did an interview with a Michigan Medical Examiner who made general and speculative comments about Prince and the "opioid epidemic" and nothing to do with personal knowledge about Prince or his death.


Thanks for clearing that up.💜
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Reply #761 posted 06/30/16 2:01pm

Mumio

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herb4 said:

Mumio said:

Hmmmm. I'm not sure why you feel that way based on my responses. If I've had something to say, then I've said it. What more is there beyond that?

"Hmmmm....." See? You're doing it again and no you don't and no you haven't.

Thanks for proving my point though. You've posted in several threads about how we don't know the truth, advising us to read between the lines, connect the dots, hold the liner notes of Lovesexy up to the light under a full moon, look at what "they" DON'T say and telling us that it's "all right there and all we have to do is LOOK" as if we're all a bunch of plebes and you are uniquely privy to super secret insider information about Prince's death.

You've done it a lot actually.

Not in this thread but on this board. You're SOOOOO edgy and mysterious. As I suspected, you know nothing of the sort or you would have spilled it by now.

[Edited 6/30/16 12:17pm]


Very sorry for your confusion Herb4. You apparently think you know me or can explain me better than I've already explained myself in my comments. I don't think I can say anything more to add to that and I don't think my comments are much different than other's here who are also voicing their opinions. I'm not sure why you've decided to zero in on me in particular, but please do feel free to completely ignore anything I say in the future that doesn't fit in with your reality nor your idea of me and what I do or don't know. I'm a total stranger to you and while I'm not sure why I've caught your attention, I'll leave you with this: Love4oneanother.

Have a good night Herb4.

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Reply #762 posted 06/30/16 3:37pm

herb4

Mumio said:

herb4 said:

"Hmmmm....." See? You're doing it again and no you don't and no you haven't.

Thanks for proving my point though. You've posted in several threads about how we don't know the truth, advising us to read between the lines, connect the dots, hold the liner notes of Lovesexy up to the light under a full moon, look at what "they" DON'T say and telling us that it's "all right there and all we have to do is LOOK" as if we're all a bunch of plebes and you are uniquely privy to super secret insider information about Prince's death.

You've done it a lot actually.

Not in this thread but on this board. You're SOOOOO edgy and mysterious. As I suspected, you know nothing of the sort or you would have spilled it by now.

[Edited 6/30/16 12:17pm]


Very sorry for your confusion Herb4. You apparently think you know me or can explain me better than I've already explained myself in my comments. I don't think I can say anything more to add to that and I don't think my comments are much different than other's here who are also voicing their opinions. I'm not sure why you've decided to zero in on me in particular, but please do feel free to completely ignore anything I say in the future that doesn't fit in with your reality nor your idea of me and what I do or don't know. I'm a total stranger to you and while I'm not sure why I've caught your attention, I'll leave you with this: Love4oneanother.

Have a good night Herb4.

I've just have read your posts. Sorry if that bugs you.

You want me to dig them up?

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Reply #763 posted 06/30/16 4:24pm

Mumio

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herb4 said:

Mumio said:


Very sorry for your confusion Herb4. You apparently think you know me or can explain me better than I've already explained myself in my comments. I don't think I can say anything more to add to that and I don't think my comments are much different than other's here who are also voicing their opinions. I'm not sure why you've decided to zero in on me in particular, but please do feel free to completely ignore anything I say in the future that doesn't fit in with your reality nor your idea of me and what I do or don't know. I'm a total stranger to you and while I'm not sure why I've caught your attention, I'll leave you with this: Love4oneanother.

Have a good night Herb4.

I've just have read your posts. Sorry if that bugs you.

You want me to dig them up?



I don't see what purpose this serves. Why do you keep on antagonizing me? I have gone through my own posts and still don't understand why you are persisting in this. Unless you are a moderator or someone NOT equal to my own standing here, then I think you should choose to back off. I don't owe you anything, nothing at all, but I am trying to keep a civil tone with you.You are rapidly approaching the harrassment point and I'd prefer not to go there. I'm trying not to be rude to you in spite of your own remarks toward me....but you need to step back. This is stalkerish behavior on your part, you are seemingly obsessed with me and you need to stop it.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #764 posted 06/30/16 4:40pm

herb4

Mumio said:

herb4 said:

I've just have read your posts. Sorry if that bugs you.

You want me to dig them up?



I don't see what purpose this serves. Why do you keep on antagonizing me?

I'm not antagonizing you. At least I don't mean to. I'm asking you for clafication on the posts you've made.

[Edited 6/30/16 16:42pm]

[Edited 6/30/16 17:19pm]

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Reply #765 posted 06/30/16 5:18pm

herb4

To wit:



Sorry, but sometimes there is information to be found in what some would term "nonsense". I do not want to be quoted anywhere so I am providing what people need to put it together for themselves. Paying attention is key to most things. If you don't want to look for it for yourself...well, I am sorry but I'm not going to just give a name. It's not like I personally am concealing anything...but people need to discover it for themselves.

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Lol, you can think whatever you like my dear...but you are incorrect. You still aren't seeing everything there is to see and putting it together, but I'm done discussing this with you.

I knew we weren't going to get the real story from the start and nothing I've read nor heard has changed my mind about it.

Maybe not. But there will be a leak at some point nod There's already some info out there that an orger posted that says he knew he was terminal and he told her. She knew him. She has pics on her Facebook page showing them performing on stage together. People don't seem to want to pay attention even though I've brought it up.

As I said here and said before, I'm amazed that so so many have apparently not been reading very closely nor following the clues.

like I said previously...people aren't paying attention to what they are seeing. Except of course when you feel like you should be ridiculing others who HAVE been paying attention. Go to this thread and read carefully http://prince.org/msg/7/423533 If you're as clever as you think you are, you'll figure it out for yourself.

nod That's the key right there.

Sorry....but no, it is not. I'm not going to get into it with anyone here, it's not worth arguing over. But I wouldn't have made the statement if I wasn't certain about what I'm talking about.

So maybe just tell us what you're talking about, what you are trying to say and knock off the "if you only follow the clues" and the condescending tone with the "my dear" stuff and least of all the way you addressed me by telling me to "back off"? I don't think it's asking a king's ransom or "harrassing" you to simply suggest or ask that you clarify your own posts.

Is it?
I'll gladly clarify mine, but I'm good like that. Answer to what you wrote and elaborate on your meaning or knock off the mysterious "Wizard Behind the Curtain" act if you don't mind and as it suits your mood. You posted it so pretty please, with sugar on top, explain it.
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Reply #766 posted 06/30/16 6:15pm

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I've never read what the scar on Prince's leg was from. Anybody know?

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Reply #767 posted 07/01/16 2:20am

CROWNS1

Has law enforcement given any updates at all recently?

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Reply #768 posted 07/01/16 6:23am

captiveunicorn

I can't believe I am posting this, but tmz is now reporting that the investigation is now focusing on 2 doctors for possible over prescription neutral

And yeah the daily mail just posted a new story reinterviewing the drug dealer who talked about being prince's dealer and it's harrowing at best

Please don't ask me for the links, it was bad enough reading both and i need to go offline now, it's too much.
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Reply #769 posted 07/01/16 6:49am

rogifan

captiveunicorn said:

I can't believe I am posting this, but tmz is now reporting that the investigation is now focusing on 2 doctors for possible over prescription neutral

And yeah the daily mail just posted a new story reinterviewing the drug dealer who talked about being prince's dealer and it's harrowing at best

Please don't ask me for the links, it was bad enough reading both and i need to go offline now, it's too much.

Daily Fail is a garbage website don't read it. And TMZ might get some things right but they're still a tabloid and get just as much wrong.
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Reply #770 posted 07/01/16 7:03am

manabean84

twinnies said:

I've never read what the scar on Prince's leg was from. Anybody know?

I think he had a knee injury, but I'm not sure if thats what the scar would be from or not.

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Reply #771 posted 07/01/16 7:04am

manabean84

tmo1965 said:

nelcp777 said:

Another thing that I have been trying to figure out is Prince's style of clothing. In the last year, he was completely covered. Now I am not saying he should be letting it all hang out, but he wore turtle necks, long sleeves and gloves and a jacket. Even the photo of Prince at Electric Fetus, he was similarly dressed, without the gloves.

In the years prior, he dressed what I describe as more comfortable clothing (like the 20Ten clothes).

I am curious if there was a reason behind the attire or just a new style/phase he was at. Any thoughts?

He was getting older and he had lost some weight in the past year. I had noticed that his neck was starting to wrinkle, so I wonder if he was hiding the signs of aging.

I thought the same thing. Loss of muscle mass, signs of aging.

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Reply #772 posted 07/01/16 7:18am

jazzvirtuoso

Tresha68 said:

nelcp777 said:

Another thing that I have been trying to figure out is Prince's style of clothing. In the last year, he was completely covered. Now I am not saying he should be letting it all hang out, but he wore turtle necks, long sleeves and gloves and a jacket. Even the photo of Prince at Electric Fetus, he was similarly dressed, without the gloves.



In the years prior, he dressed what I describe as more comfortable clothing (like the 20Ten clothes).



I am curious if there was a reason behind the attire or just a new style/phase he was at. Any thoughts?




I often wonder if he was hiding a PIC line or Port for chemo? It was stated in an interview with Minneapolis Medical Examiner he used a patch. It out there somewhere, I watched it on CNN.


Yea me too. I honestly think he had cancer!
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Reply #773 posted 07/01/16 11:10am

CROWNS1

I can't access TMZ from work but NY Daily News is reporting investigation of 2 docs...for overprescription but it's the same two docs...Schulenberg and Kornfeld. How could either of these overprescribed? One he had never seen and the other, seen only twice.

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Reply #774 posted 07/01/16 11:44am

rogifan

CROWNS1 said:

I can't access TMZ from work but NY Daily News is reporting investigation of 2 docs...for overprescription but it's the same two docs...Schulenberg and Kornfeld. How could either of these overprescribed? One he had never seen and the other, seen only twice.


Just because tmz sometimes gets things right doesn't mean they're a reputable source. Sadly people seem to think they are now and publish their crap as though it's fact.
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Reply #775 posted 07/01/16 11:44am

AA1slot

Agree...I too can't shake the feeling that he was ill. Was looking at a video when he played Manchester w/ 3rdEyeGirl and he is wearing a white sleeveless vest... you can see the he had some definition in his arms. Maybe 2014. Then looking at when he arrived at St. Bart's for the NYEve party on the yacht at the end of 2015...appears gaunt, he has on gloves, a turtleneck sweater and a leather coat with a high neck and looks like he has on sneaks of some kind...I have to say he looked out of place...particularly since he was in the Carribbean and the police/security at the helicopter pad have on short sleeves. I can see him all bundled up in Minnesota...but in the Carribbean....You can't hide the aging process forever..would he return to the days when he had the beekeeper look to hide facial wrinkles? I wonder if he was coloring his hair? No one likes to get old but if we are lucky it is inevitable and a sign of grace....we are weathering the journey.

I don't think he was vain or at least I hope not. It didnt seem as if he was as meticulous about his appearance as he had been either....only an observation and my opinion. Maybe just wanted to be more laid back... IDK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3380023/Prince-dons-black-touches-St-Barts-ahead-Roman-Abramovich-s-New-Year-s-Eve-party.html

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Reply #776 posted 07/01/16 12:09pm

Eileen

CROWNS1 said:

I can't access TMZ from work but NY Daily News is reporting investigation of 2 docs...for overprescription but it's the same two docs...Schulenberg and Kornfeld. How could either of these overprescribed? One he had never seen and the other, seen only twice.


A number of outlets are rehashing that same story, which includes absolutely no news whatsoever. We've long known the names of those doctors, who were questioned and put under investigation at the death scene. We know the Walgreens was raided for prescription info. We know Paisley was searched. We know the medical records were seized. Investigators have long had the info. There is no actual news in this round of reports so far, it's ridiculous.

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Reply #777 posted 07/01/16 1:22pm

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AA1slot said:

Agree...I too can't shake the feeling that he was ill. Was looking at a video when he played Manchester w/ 3rdEyeGirl and he is wearing a white sleeveless vest... you can see the he had some definition in his arms. Maybe 2014. Then looking at when he arrived at St. Bart's for the NYEve party on the yacht at the end of 2015...appears gaunt, he has on gloves, a turtleneck sweater and a leather coat with a high neck and looks like he has on sneaks of some kind...I have to say he looked out of place...particularly since he was in the Carribbean and the police/security at the helicopter pad have on short sleeves. I can see him all bundled up in Minnesota...but in the Carribbean....You can't hide the aging process forever..would he return to the days when he had the beekeeper look to hide facial wrinkles? I wonder if he was coloring his hair? No one likes to get old but if we are lucky it is inevitable and a sign of grace....we are weathering the journey.

I don't think he was vain or at least I hope not. It didnt seem as if he was as meticulous about his appearance as he had been either....only an observation and my opinion. Maybe just wanted to be more laid back... IDK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3380023/Prince-dons-black-touches-St-Barts-ahead-Roman-Abramovich-s-New-Year-s-Eve-party.html

Sorry to disagree, but I think Prince was extremely vain. It seems his image and how he was perceived was very important to him. As evident by the makeup, hair, keeping personal photographers on the payroll always, having so many photo shoots in the past, always dressed and made up to perfection, etc. Often providing his own photos for interviews so he knew only perfect photos would be published, etc.

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I personally don't think he could stand watching the aging process in himself.

I'm not his age yet, but I can understand how inside you still feel young, but that it isn't reflected in the mirror. It's understandable why he surrounded himself with younger people to feel the "youth" vibe.

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[Edited 7/1/16 13:24pm]

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Reply #778 posted 07/01/16 1:46pm

CROWNS1

Neither the article on TMZ or Daily Mail is anything new. At all. And the interview on DM with the drug deal is the same interview from April meshed in with a new article about the same old doctors. They must have needed filler space today. I guess bombings and mass shooting are enough.

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Reply #779 posted 07/01/16 2:39pm

jazzvirtuoso

bigtimefan said:



AA1slot said:


Agree...I too can't shake the feeling that he was ill. Was looking at a video when he played Manchester w/ 3rdEyeGirl and he is wearing a white sleeveless vest... you can see the he had some definition in his arms. Maybe 2014. Then looking at when he arrived at St. Bart's for the NYEve party on the yacht at the end of 2015...appears gaunt, he has on gloves, a turtleneck sweater and a leather coat with a high neck and looks like he has on sneaks of some kind...I have to say he looked out of place...particularly since he was in the Carribbean and the police/security at the helicopter pad have on short sleeves. I can see him all bundled up in Minnesota...but in the Carribbean....You can't hide the aging process forever..would he return to the days when he had the beekeeper look to hide facial wrinkles? I wonder if he was coloring his hair? No one likes to get old but if we are lucky it is inevitable and a sign of grace....we are weathering the journey.



I don't think he was vain or at least I hope not. It didnt seem as if he was as meticulous about his appearance as he had been either....only an observation and my opinion. Maybe just wanted to be more laid back... IDK.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3380023/Prince-dons-black-touches-St-Barts-ahead-Roman-Abramovich-s-New-Year-s-Eve-party.html



Sorry to disagree, but I think Prince was extremely vain. It seems his image and how he was perceived was very important to him. As evident by the makeup, hair, keeping personal photographers on the payroll always, having so many photo shoots in the past, always dressed and made up to perfection, etc. Often providing his own photos for interviews so he knew only perfect photos would be published, etc.


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I personally don't think he could stand watching the aging process in himself.


I'm not his age yet, but I can understand how inside you still feel young, but that it isn't reflected in the mirror. It's understandable why he surrounded himself with younger people to feel the "youth" vibe.


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^ This, most all really famous people are vain, hell even some not so famous. I mean he was extremely good looking and talented. Then on top of that probably the most famous musician who ever lived. Probably was very hard on him to see that the mirror was at odds with his idealized eternally youthful self.

Of course, that's just an opinion and he may have evolved past the superficial physical framework that us ordinary folk get caught up in. And because he died relatively early we may never really know for sure.
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