sonshine said:

Eileen said:

mailaccount63 said:

I hope you have a specialist: a Pain Management Doctor.

And I know people who wish they'd never gone there. Once you get into some of those Pain Mgmt clinics you are forever suspect if you wish to change doctors or clinics. You're treated as a probable addict regardless of history and like a child, with the pill counting and drug testing. Some regular doctors may not be willing to take you as a patieyent anymore. It can hamstring all your medical care going forward and any trip to the ER may result in major scrutiny and suspicion. It's not necessarily something to be done lightly and without excellent/appropriate cause.

Yep, because you don't get sent to a Pain Clinic unless you have not been following the pain contract you signed with your primary care provider. If you don't follow the rules you are going to be treated as described above. Simple as that.

The exchange was not about people who were "sent" to a Pain Clinic, and no, contract violations are not the only criteria by which a person may see a Pain Management Specialist or go to a Pain Clinic. It's not as simple as that.

Wannabeyourlover1 said:

Sheila E. was on TV last night. Good grief! She had not spoken to Prince in 9 months! Now she is saying she knew what was going on??? She was supposed to be one of his oldest friends! Why didn't she intervene? Now she is coming out with a song apparently about her and him. Scheduled to be reseased the day after the BET awards. Talking about opportunist!

No clue what's going on here, it's starting to weird me out. I like Shelia, she has been very popular around here. Whatever her and Prince's little disagreement was about really seem to be somekind of breaking point, which was so strange after them being together for so long. I found it odd that she hadn't talked to him in months prior to his passing and then it was basically to ask his support in something she was doing. She didn't even call after the plane incident? Now she's the central person in all things concerning Prince? Sounds like their blowout was seriously personal. Makes me wonder if he was trying to push her away.

herb4 said:

mimi1956 said:

I sort of get that feeling from most of the people that have come out with "my life with Prince" type stories. He's not here to contradict so now they were the one true love of his life and they loved him more than anyone. I just leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth about the human race, the opportunism.

Agreed Mimi1956. Hill started a tour today and Sheila is releasing a song and both of them used his name...the opportunism burns me too.

Or now maybe they're free to speak openly without contractual non-disclosure agreements and fear of repercussions and lawsuits and shit.

Are the nda's no longer valid because he isn't here? Wouldn't think that would be the case if there was the need to sign in the first place.

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Eileen said:

sonshine said:

Yep, because you don't get sent to a Pain Clinic unless you have not been following the pain contract you signed with your primary care provider. If you don't follow the rules you are going to be treated as described above. Simple as that.

The exchange was not about people who were "sent" to a Pain Clinic, and no, contract violations are not the only criteria by which a person may see a Pain Management Specialist or go to a Pain Clinic. It's not as simple as that. <<<<<CORRECT.

".....you don't get sent to a Pain Clinic unless you have not been following the pain contract you signed with your primary care provider....." <<<<<THIS IS NOT TRUE.

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Eileen said:

mailaccount63 said:

I hope you have a specialist: a Pain Management Doctor.

And I know people who wish they'd never gone there. Once you get into some of those Pain Mgmt clinics you are forever suspect if you wish to change doctors or clinics. You're treated as a probable addict regardless of history and like a child, with the pill counting and drug testing. Some regular doctors may not be willing to take you as a patient anymore. It can hamstring all your medical care going forward and any trip to the ER may result in major scrutiny and suspicion. It's not necessarily something to be done lightly and without excellent/appropriate cause.

Some people have no choice. It is called: chronic pain. These people should not be crucified for this. Haven't they already suffered enough???

manabean84 said:

Wannabeyourlover1 said:

Sheila E. was on TV last night. Good grief! She had not spoken to Prince in 9 months! Now she is saying she knew what was going on??? She was supposed to be one of his oldest friends! Why didn't she intervene? Now she is coming out with a song apparently about her and him. Scheduled to be reseased the day after the BET awards. Talking about opportunist!

I unfortunatly know people like this. As soon as somebody passes away they all of a sudden were they best friend and talk about how close they were. It's really kinda sad.

That's how it is in The World of Probate.

Mumio said:

herb4 said:

Agreed Mimi1956. Hill started a tour today and Sheila is releasing a song and both of them used his name...the opportunism burns me too.

Or now maybe they're free to speak openly without contractual non-disclosure agreements and fear of repercussions and lawsuits and shit.

Are the nda's no longer valid because he isn't here? Wouldn't think that would be the case if there was the need to sign in the first place.

[Edited 6/22/16 14:28pm]

I'm honestly not sure.

Anomaly999 said:

One thing that doesn't make ANY sense to me is the level of fentanyl required for a fatal dose. http://www.emcdda.europa....s/fentanyl This website indicates that, at least for an overdose that involves fentanyl by itself (i.e., no other drug mixtures), the level required to kill someone is 2 milligrams. Think about this.... 2 milligrams (mg) = #20 of those Duragesic patches, since the maximum dosage per each patch (in the largest dosage available, which is 100 mcg/that's *micrograms.* The amount of fentanyl required for an overdose is much much less if other drugs are present in the system at the same time. Now, since the medical examiner only had to release the reason for his passing (RIP), I would not necessarily expect to see any information on other medications that were ingested as well. Finally, please believe that my heart is completely and irreparably broken over all of this, but I think that the likelihood of anyone sticking #20 of the max dose 100 microgram patches on their body is extremely unlikely.

We don't know how he took the Fentanyl, there's been nothing official yet. People have been known to put on 2 patches, that's a way to overdose, or they break open the patches and ingest all the gel thru the mouth or injecting it. Personally, I argue against injecting it because that's the fastest way to hit the system, which means the person would most likely drop where they took the shot. There's pills, generally in the States not legal to prescribe, but again I argue that Prince didn't spend all his time in the States , but there is still possibility it wasn't legal and came from the street then it could be anything, or through the mail. There's lollipops, one can use more than one of those. But I don't think he was sucking on a lollipop while having dinner. Or his weight loss could have been a factor in overdosing on a single normal dose. Fentanyl is tricky as heck, from what I've read, it doesn't take much to misjudge it's usage.

morningsong said:

Anomaly999 said:

morningsong said:

We don't know how he took the Fentanyl, there's been nothing official yet. People have been known to put on 2 patches, that's a way to overdose, or they break open the patches and ingest all the gel thru the mouth or injecting it. Personally, I argue against injecting it because that's the fastest way to hit the system, which means the person would most likely drop where they took the shot. There's pills, generally in the States not legal to prescribe, but again I argue that Prince didn't spend all his time in the States , but there is still possibility it wasn't legal and came from the street then it could be anything, or through the mail. There's lollipops, one can use more than one of those. But I don't think he was sucking on a lollipop while having dinner. Or his weight loss could have been a factor in overdosing on a single normal dose. Fentanyl is tricky as heck, from what I've read, it doesn't take much to misjudge it's usage.

You know, I hadn't really considered that he could've gotten something manufactured outside of the US, but I thought it was at least semi-officially released & accepted that the medication was, as another poster pointed out, on his body -- i.e., meaning the patches. (?) That would also corroborate what that alleged dealer from L.A. came out & said in either late April or early May (as much as it disgusted me that he came out with that). Anyway, I tasted a very tiny bit of the contents of a patch once, and it was completely disgusting. I just can't imagine it, plus the contents of the patches typically have very high alcohol content & I believe something else that also causes liver toxicity. I totally respect and understand your point, and yes it's true we'll never know, but I am still leaning towards a mixture of fentanyl with other meds (thus reducing the average estimated threshold for fentanyl toxicity), which also explains why other medications might have been excluded from the medical examiner's report.

"A source" stated they found Percocet on him, originally. Which translated to they found a bottle of pills. Obviously the source was wrong about the Percocet. So either they found a bottle of pills on his person, and assumed it was Percocet or that source didn't know anything and was making things up. Nobody around here knows for sure how he was self-administring the Fentanyl. Addicts will go through any lengths to get their dose, it's the nature of the beast, taste isn't an obstacle. I could be wrong about the out of the country thing, but it is a possibility on the table, the US isn't the only country that has medicines, or laws governing them. I understood the dealer said he's been providing Prince the drug since 1984, that's a long time for somebody to be using any type of drug let alone one so potent, and not to have had several incidents over the years, or died a long time ago. So the person may have just lucked up on what it was since that's a very popular street opiade these days or he knew somebody who knew what was up with Prince, and just made up a story to fit, because it sure is taking the DEA a long time to find him if what he said was true, he's got somebody's blood on his hands, I'm sure, this stuff is killing people left and right on the street.
I also read that body temperture plays a factor, the hotter the person gets the more potent it is.

morningsong said:

Anomaly999 said:

One thing that doesn't make ANY sense to me is the level of fentanyl required for a fatal dose. http://www.emcdda.europa....s/fentanyl This website indicates that, at least for an overdose that involves fentanyl by itself (i.e., no other drug mixtures), the level required to kill someone is 2 milligrams. Think about this.... 2 milligrams (mg) = #20 of those Duragesic patches, since the maximum dosage per each patch (in the largest dosage available, which is 100 mcg/that's *micrograms.* The amount of fentanyl required for an overdose is much much less if other drugs are present in the system at the same time. Now, since the medical examiner only had to release the reason for his passing (RIP), I would not necessarily expect to see any information on other medications that were ingested as well. Finally, please believe that my heart is completely and irreparably broken over all of this, but I think that the likelihood of anyone sticking #20 of the max dose 100 microgram patches on their body is extremely unlikely.

We don't know how he took the Fentanyl, there's been nothing official yet. People have been known to put on 2 patches, that's a way to overdose, or they break open the patches and ingest all the gel thru the mouth or injecting it. Personally, I argue against injecting it because that's the fastest way to hit the system, which means the person would most likely drop where they took the shot. There's pills, generally in the States not legal to prescribe, but again I argue that Prince didn't spend all his time in the States , but there is still possibility it wasn't legal and came from the street then it could be anything, or through the mail. There's lollipops, one can use more than one of those. But I don't think he was sucking on a lollipop while having dinner. Or his weight loss could have been a factor in overdosing on a single normal dose. Fentanyl is tricky as heck, from what I've read, it doesn't take much to misjudge it's usage.

Do you think a man who wrote Family Name, Cinnamon Girl and Dear Mister Man would be able to sneak drugs into the USA from another country????

muleFunk said:

Anomaly999 said:

muleFunk said:

Do you think a man who wrote Family Name, Cinnamon Girl and Dear Mister Man would be able to sneak drugs into the USA from another country????

I suppose it's possible for *anyone* who travels to sneak drugs into the country.

Especaily someone with Prince's fame and financial resources. I'm not certain some of you understand how drug purchases work.

muleFunk said:

I dont know what to think about what shelia e said, she knows whats going on but she doesnt want the public to know, so we will never know what he really died from, was she saying it was more than the fentanyl overdose? was it a terminal illness, and yea why was he getting test results? What i have read prince loved his fans, maybe he would want his fans to know, or not because he was a very private person, when it came to his personal life. Ive read things, and what the person at walgreens said, and things he said I dont know it doesnt add up, things i read and things people say prince said and to what his death certificate said , i dont know, its none of our business anyways, i guess.

herb4 said:

Anomaly999 said:

muleFunk said: I suppose it's possible for *anyone* who travels to sneak drugs into the country.

Especaily someone with Prince's fame and financial resources. I'm not certain some of you understand how drug purchases work.

I have been involved in working with law enforcement on drug investigations. I know how people buy illegal drugs in America and how they try to sneak it back into the United States.

I also know this man questioned AUTHORITY.

Do you know what happened to Ray Charles when he questioned AUTHORITY?

muleFunk said:

Anomaly999 said:

Anomaly999 said:

This is a must read.

"According to Dr. Fudin, it’s entirely possible that Prince was doing all the right things but that ongoing physical, chemical, and mental health monitoring did not indicate any problems...."

"According to Dr. Fudin, fentanyl is notorious for redistributing from body tissues into the blood stream making the post-mortem levels appear significantly higher than they actually were at the time of death. Also, patients metabolize drugs differently and without an antemortem level for comparison, victims of opioid overdose are frequently mislabeled."

Still in denial. Why did this happen unless he was so much in pain people so close to him left him alone. Otherwise, there isn't any other explanation. He may have told them he wanted to be alone, and perhaps they trusted his judgement knowing his condition. Still - so sad - myself like so many others FEEL a deep void and an unexplained one. I only wish I could have one more time at PP - I never had enough. Went to many Fan parties at 1st AVE - they were amazing and full of love and DANCING!

PRINCE WE WILL MISS YOU FOREVER. THANK YOU BEN FOR KEEPING PRINCE.ORG ALIVE. THANK YOU PRINCE FOR THE MUSIC!

Wannabeyourlover1 said:

herb4 said:

morningsong said:

No matter what did or didn't happen between Prince and those he held close/in esteem, I don't believe a single one of them could have changed this outcome no matter what they did or didn't do. Some things are inevitable and no one can change that. This is one of those things imo.

Mumio said:

No matter what did or didn't happen between Prince and those he held close/in esteem, I don't believe a single one of them could have changed this outcome no matter what they did or didn't do. Some things are inevitable and no one can change that. This is one of those things imo.

I really don't think this was inevitable, just tragic that nothing was done sooner.

jtfolden said:

Mumio said:

No matter what did or didn't happen between Prince and those he held close/in esteem, I don't believe a single one of them could have changed this outcome no matter what they did or didn't do. Some things are inevitable and no one can change that. This is one of those things imo.

I really don't think this was inevitable, just tragic that nothing was done sooner.

Cool. You and I have a difference in opinion on this. I can live with that. Thanks for your comments.

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muleFunk said:

morningsong said:

We don't know how he took the Fentanyl, there's been nothing official yet. People have been known to put on 2 patches, that's a way to overdose, or they break open the patches and ingest all the gel thru the mouth or injecting it. Personally, I argue against injecting it because that's the fastest way to hit the system, which means the person would most likely drop where they took the shot. There's pills, generally in the States not legal to prescribe, but again I argue that Prince didn't spend all his time in the States , but there is still possibility it wasn't legal and came from the street then it could be anything, or through the mail. There's lollipops, one can use more than one of those. But I don't think he was sucking on a lollipop while having dinner. Or his weight loss could have been a factor in overdosing on a single normal dose. Fentanyl is tricky as heck, from what I've read, it doesn't take much to misjudge it's usage.

If one has frail or compromised health, or even dehydrarion they can accedently OD.

Do you think a man who wrote Family Name, Cinnamon Girl and Dear Mister Man would be able to sneak drugs into the USA from another country????