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is anyone else worried about the media narrative? just to be clear, this is NOT a ct thread about his death, but rather concern about whether we will get the truth from our "media" outlets. it seems that, wihout any hard evidence at all,the media has decided that the story is
prince had pain prince took pain meds prince got "addicted" and "tried to get help" prince died of on od now some or all of that may turn out to be true, but the more i think about things that have happened and looked at pics from the last 2ish years, the more convinced i am that he may have been dealing with a devastating illness, which may or may not have been painful and led to other issues. but i am getting increasing concerned, especially with other celebs coming out of the woodwork talking about their own "addictions," (to make it about THEM, classic addict, or rather, classic narcisstic celebrity, behavior), that the media will have a hard time walking this self made narrative back and will try and push the "addict/od" meme even if not at all true. i do trust the sheriff to be truthful but i am afraid the media is now too deep into this opioid hype to back off, even in the face of facts. thoughts? [Edited 5/15/16 11:44am] "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
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I honestly don't care how he died as long as there was no criminal activity involved. Otherwise, knowing how isn't going to bring him back. That's all that matters. | |
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I think it's an important narrative to be out there right now- addiction and pain. Anthony Keidis from RHCP is in the hospital with stomach issues. Things are not looking good for some of our celluloid heroes.
I think it will simmer down as far as Prince's involvement in the discussion. I don't know legally what the general public is allowed to know about cause of death. If he was sick and didn't want anyone to know- I think we should respect that. If the press needs to spin it this way to make some statements about the OpioidEpidemic, then by all means. But if the Estate can control the actual cause of death, cool. ESPECIALLY if he wanted to guard it. Maybe addiction is the lesser of evil truths. It really shouldn't be treated like the damn plague even though it has turned into be much like it. It's taking everyone out. All races, genders, classes, sexual preferences. Addiction is universal. The press has already said just about anything under the sun. I don't really care how he went but if it's something we can all learn from I think we should take from it what we need. Even if in the end that's not the truth. I think we all understand making a mistake too. If there was something criminal going on then that needs to be addressed. I would also kinda like to know if he was told bad medical advice by someone who is not a doctor but playing one "on tv". Yeah I'm looking at you... Eventually we can just focus on the music. And building a brighter future. [Edited 5/15/16 11:13am] Surprise, surprise.
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my 2 cents: . i don't want to get into an addiction pissing contest, and I'm sure you've had firsthand experiences that inform your POV. But to start with, drug addiction is a disease. If he seemed weak a few years ago, it's very possible that's what he was suffering from. . I don't know why you think having other addicts talk about their experiences is an attempt to make it "all about them" - or, more judgementally - why that's "classic addict behavior", but we're trying to remove the shame and stigma from addiction, so other people find it easier to ask for help when they need it. To share our experiences is the best way to do that. . Given what we know about the emergency opiod specialists and the plane landings, we have every reason to construct a conservative narrative of pain, pills, addiction, and overdose. My question is why do so many people need there to be some other illness, beside opioid addiction? What's so problematic about the disease of addiction that makes it unacceptable for Prince have suffered from it? |
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Mintchip said: my 2 cents: . i don't want to get into an addiction pissing contest, and I'm sure you've had firsthand experiences that inform your POV. But to start with, drug addiction is a disease. If he seemed weak a few years ago, it's very possible that's what he was suffering from. . I don't know why you think having other addicts talk about their experiences is an attempt to make it "all about them" - or, more judgementally - why that's "classic addict behavior", but we're trying to remove the shame and stigma from addiction, so other people find it easier to ask for help when they need it. To share our experiences is the best way to do that. . Given what we know about the emergency opiod specialists and the plane landings, we have every reason to construct a conservative narrative of pain, pills, addiction, and overdose. My question is why do so many people need there to be some other illness, beside opioid addiction? What's so problematic about the disease of addiction that makes it unacceptable for Prince have suffered from it? i absolutely agree that addiction/dependency is a disease and should be treated as such. i guess i am irritated about the jamie lee Curtis's coming out NOW to trott out their own stories..and maybe i should not have said classic addict behavior but rather classic "celebrity" behavior because that is kind of more what i was thinking. as to what he died from, i am not of the belief that it "has to" be anything. but prince tried to live an exemplary and devout life for many years, and if he did not suffer from a disease that is often misunderstood and sensationalized, then that reality should come out, because it is clear that many vultures want to paint him in a certain light which may be both inaccurate and unfair to him. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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RiotPaisley said: I think it's an important narrative to be out there right now- addiction and pain. Anthony Keidis from RHCP is in the hospital with stomach issues. Things are not looking good for some of our celluloid heroes. I think it will simmer down as far as Prince's involvement in the discussion. I don't know legally what the general public is allowed to know about cause of death. If he was sick and didn't want anyone to know- I think we should respect that. If the press needs to spin it this way to make some statements about the OpioidEpidemic, then by all means. But if the Estate can control the actual cause of death, cool. ESPECIALLY if he wanted to guard it. Maybe addiction is the lesser of evil truths. It really shouldn't be treated like the damn plague even though it has turned into be much like it. It's taking everyone out. All races, genders, classes, sexual preferences. Addiction is universal. The press has already said just about anything under the sun. I don't really care how he went but if it's something we can all learn from I think we should take from it what we need. Even if in the end that's not the truth. I think we all understand making a mistake too. If there was something criminal going on then that needs to be addressed. I would also kinda like to know if he was told bad medical advice by someone who is not a doctor but playing one "on tv". Yeah I'm looking at you... Eventually we can just focus on the music. And building a brighter future. [Edited 5/15/16 11:13am] i agree that this is an important issue to come out and that if someone is responsible for his death, then consequences need to apply. i just hope that it is handled in a way that preserves his humanity and dignity, and we know the press tends towards neither. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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cardinal said: just to be clear, this is NOT a ct thread about his death, but rather concern about whether we will get the truth from our "media" outlets. it seems that, wihout any hard evidence at all,the media has decided that the story is prince had pain prince took pain meds prince got "addicted" and "tried to get help" prince died of on od now some or all of that may turn out to be true, but the more i think about things that have happened and looked at pics from the last 2ish years, the more convinced i am that he may have been dealing with a devastating illness, which may or may not have been painful and led to other issues. but i am getting increasing concerned, especially with other celebs coming out of the woodwork talking about their own "addictions," (to make it about THEM, classic addict, or rather, narcisstic celebrity, behavior), that the media will have a hard time walking this self made narrative back and will try and push the "addict/od" meme even if not at all true. i do trust the sheriff to be truthful but i am afraid the media is now too deep into this opioid hype to back off, even in the face of facts. thoughts? "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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I don't care what they say. They didn't know Prince. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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I don't understand people who say "i don't want to know" well, I do want to know. I read every halfway decent book about the man because I wanted to know about his life and so of course I'd want to know what ended it. I do wonder though why the media, the feds and the police are all going so hard in the drug direction if that weren't the major cause though, it seems pretty obvious they wouldn't be doing all that without info that we aren't privy to. Then, I also see evidence that he may have had some other ailment too, you know, he's been looking just not himself the last couple years but I just dismissed it as "well, he is 57" but only five years ago he looked so much better. We don't have the results yet but I have a hard time believing that all the fuss about the opiods would have started without that not being the strongest possibility.
The other question, will we get the truth? I think so, barring the conspiracy lunacy, we'll get the truth, we just have to be patient. However, one of my heroes, Bruce Lee, had some disagreement amongst doctors who treated him and the coroner who performed the autopsy. The coroner said he died from an allergic reaction to an equagesic pill, doctors who treated him for a similar episode only weeks before said his brain swelled from cannabis he had eaten. The general belief is that the final result of equagesic being the culprit was said to both save face for Bruce and to collect insurance. Bruce had dependents and his life insurance could have been nullified by his previous statement that he never ingested illegal drugs. Either way, equagesic or cannabis, it's still regarded as a very mysterious death all these years later. Bruce's friends, several of them, just believe that he pushed his body past it's breaking point and died. Doctors aren't gods and they can't tell us everything. | |
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i think it's unfair to him to intrude on his personal life after his death. as to 'how', if he had some illness and didn't share it with the world when he was alive then why would he want it shared after he gone? as for the pain killer allegations, I'm upset that there have been so many leaks in this investigation that have allowed people to jump on that train. Leaving a warrant lying around unsealed.... ridiculous! these investigations are always so unprofessional though. | |
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why do you feel that way, out of all the figures in history why should prince be exempt from people trying to find out a cause of death. Nothing unusual about it. | |
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When your alive and they print BS you can sue for defamation of character. But when you have passed it seems anything goes. They can print any BS without worry. I find that very odd and uncomfortable but thats my hard luck aint it. | |
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we don't know if the opiod angle is bs yet. maybe they shouldn't be going so hard in that direction without evidence but maybe they do have info that we don't. One thing for sure, this country has a problem with drugs, it's something that has badly needed to be looked at. What is wrong with people and why do we keep coming up with more and more labels and bullshit to give people. Was a time when ADD, anxiety disorders etc.., weren't even known. now everyone got some kind of bullshit excuse. It's sad because many good people don't use their own heads and just go along with the bull and the doctors who label their children. | |
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Apparently not because people keep posting ridiculous links to stories on this forum. | |
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Was annoyed to see a video news clip the other day (ABC News, iirc). They played part of the Prince song 'My Little Pill' highlighting the lyric "Everytime I pop my little pill" more than once, and showed the lyrics onscreen, to help illustrate the desired narrative. This was followed by the reporter referring to Prince as quote: "The my little pill singer." Such shit. . Really crap to spotlight an obscure song, basically no one outside of hardcore fans even heard before, and then use the song to help paint a picture in viewer's minds of Prince being a druggie. | |
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What I find very intriguing is that 3 of the most biggest musical stars over the years allegedly had issues with prescription drugs - Elvis, Michael and now Prince. The media twists every fragment of a rumor into what they believe as fact and have since the beginning and I remember with Mike they kept mentioning the "Morphine" song from Blood on the Dancefloor so the thing with "My Little Pill" doesn't surprise me. I also wonder whether there's an 'enabler' in the mist like there was with Elvis (Dr Nick) and Michael (Conrad Murray). | |
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We may never know the full story, but it is indeed deeply troubling the degree to which addiction is morally stigmatized in the media and our culture, rather than treated as a disease. I can't help but feel that fear of shaming may explain some of Prince's confusing decisions. |
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we don't know if the opiod angle is bs yet. maybe they shouldn't be going so hard in that direction without evidence but maybe they do have info that we don't. One thing for sure, this country has a problem with drugs, it's something that has badly needed to be looked at. What is wrong with people and why do we keep coming up with more and more labels and bullshit to give people. Was a time when ADD, anxiety disorders etc.., weren't even known. now everyone got some kind of bullshit excuse. It's sad because many good people don't use their own heads and just go along with the bull and the doctors who label their children. --- I think the media is going to look like boobs if they find out he had other issues like cancer or organ failure he could have gotten hooked so he could make it day with severe pain. I know that if something were in fact killing me and keeping me in pain I would do what I had to do to make my last days pleasant. | |
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fbueller said: Was annoyed to see a video news clip the other day (ABC News, iirc). They played part of the Prince song 'My Little Pill' highlighting the lyric "Everytime I pop my little pill" more than once, and showed the lyrics onscreen, to help illustrate the desired narrative. This was followed by the reporter referring to Prince as quote: "The my little pill singer." Such shit. . Really crap to spotlight an obscure song, basically no one outside of hardcore fans even heard before, and then use the song to help paint a picture in viewer's minds of Prince being a druggie. Lol they are over here reading the org for every juicy bit of info to get an angle. I doubt anyone at that propaganda station knew anything about that song. Two months ago that song was about a woman who's man didn't care about her, Prince's commentary about how we medicate our cares away. Defining the angle they ZHOULD be looking at. Instead now he's dead, possibly due to overdose, and that story is JUST an autobiographical confession about HIM. Whatever. They make mad money off selling commercial time for big pharma so this whole story is a good hook. Surprise, surprise.
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laurarichardson said: PeteSilas said:
we don't know if the opiod angle is bs yet. maybe they shouldn't be going so hard in that direction without evidence but maybe they do have info that we don't. One thing for sure, this country has a problem with drugs, it's something that has badly needed to be looked at. What is wrong with people and why do we keep coming up with more and more labels and bullshit to give people. Was a time when ADD, anxiety disorders etc.., weren't even known. now everyone got some kind of bullshit excuse. It's sad because many good people don't use their own heads and just go along with the bull and the doctors who label their children. --- I think the media is going to look like boobs if they find out he had other issues like cancer or organ failure he could have gotten hooked so he could make it day with severe pain. I know that if something were in fact killing me and keeping me in pain I would do what I had to do to make my last days pleasant. We already know if he was taking pain meds it was for legit reasons. If you expect the truth to ever come from bought and paid for news- you are expecting too much. About the only source I would listen to is Star Tribune. No one else cares enough to be honest. [Edited 5/16/16 23:22pm] Surprise, surprise.
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