I don't think I made a technical opinion of Van himself yep, I love reading all the words of remembrance by people
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Tamron was a fan with pics of him on her wall. Ten P befriended her. Nothing but a sychophant.
Real friends do nut butt kiss.
Wendy and Lisa were real friends; P pushed them away.
Andre was a real friend; P pushed him away. They still stayed in touch, but barely spoke. Andre still loves him like a bro.
Bobby Z was driving Prince about when P was broke, before he was a star. He was A REAL FRIEND of Prince Roger Nelson, not the superstar Prince, like most who came later.
Sheila E was a real friend. They had a huge falling out because of Prince kicking her off his tour. She did not kiss butt.
See the pattern.
Yes sir Prince, how do you want your butt kissed?
Van kissed his butt. Tamron kissed his butt. All the young women claiming to be his best friend kissed his butt.
Larry was friends due to P accpeting what Larry told him was 'the truth'. They would not have been friends if Prince said NO to religion, thus their friendship was conditional.
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I didn't attack Van Didn't mean to say attack. I edited my post. | |
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Sheila E's protege image, was always about a secret lover etc The whole Sister Fate song/video expressed this.
Cat has always said they were never romantic/sexual, just friends/business
But only once to try to create a mystic for SOTT(the movie) Prince had Cat & Gregory on Video Soul or one of those shows, trying to play up the secret lover aspect. They did not do well at all. Hm. I never interpreted the Cat & Sheila girl love thing and I'm queer and like to pretend those things! Oh drats, I guess I'll have to rewatch and look for it In that film I saw Cat and Prince... Maybe Sheena being the secret lover cuz she kinda comes out of no where and then disappears. I just always saw his relationship with Sheila as really great friends, like they had similar talents and just went way back. Shelia seemed to be his mirror of that time and you could tell he had mad respect for her in like a big? Sister way. I know I wasn't there so what do I know, right? When I read they were engaged it instantly screamed publicity stunt to sell the book and I feel their falling out at that time was related to that. Again, I love me some Sheila E and in no way intend to diss her in anyway. I just think she knew saying she was engaged to him would peak interest in her book. Can't blame a person for trying to make money by playing up certain aspects of a relationship. Surprise, surprise.
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It always seemed Sheila was in love 2 me. She was the 'cheerleader' The fall out came before the book. She was snubbed on the Welcome 2 Europe tour and then in America when her family band was supposed to open for Prince in Cali and he removed them last min. I actually believe it, that there was some kind of engagement. Her father said the same though.
There's a nasty rumor that's goin' 'round
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2elijah said: KoolEaze said:
What makes you so sure?
This pretty much confirms their connection. This article is from last year: http://www.usatoday.com/s.../21889543/ TECH Program teaches low-income kids to code Jessica Guynn, USATODAY [Jan 20, 2015 SAN FRANCISCO — Shortly after the Trayvon Martin verdict, Van Jones says, he was talking about race with his friend, music legend Prince. "Every time you see a black kid wearing a hoodie, you say: There's a thug. If you see a white kid wearing hoodie, you say: There's Mark Zuckerberg," Jones said. "I said, 'That's because of racism. And Prince said, 'Maybe so, or maybe you civil rights guys haven't created enough Mark Zuckerbergs.' " That challenge inspired Jones to create Yes We Code, an initiative of his Rebuild the Dream organization that aims to teach 100,000 low-income kids to write code. [color=blue][b]Prince promoted the initiative in July by headlining the Essence Festival in New Orleans where Yes We Code held its first hackathon. "How do we create a situation that when you see a young black kid in a hoodie, you think, 'Maybe I should go up and ask the kid for a loan or a job as opposed to assuming the kid's a threat," Jones said during an interview in USA TODAY's San Francisco bureau. Computer science is one of the fastest-growing and best-paying career paths in the USA. Yet most computer science students are white men, and too few African Americans and Hispanics even consider it. Yes We Code is helping dozens of organizations around the country that are trying to address high-tech's racial and gender gap, from Black Girls Code to Hack the Hood. It connects those groups with the resources they need, Jones said. "Yes We Code aspires to become the United Negro College Fund equivalent for coding education," Jones said. "Yes We Code exists to find and fund the next Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg in communities you would never expect to find them." (edited for compliance) "Yes one out of five kids out here in low-income communities, Native American reservations, Appalachia, housing projects, barrios, ghettos could be on the Mark Zuckerberg track," Jones said. "The problem is their mother doesn't know, their father doesn't know, the coach doesn't know, the teacher doesn't know, the preacher doesn't know. " (Click link to continue reading) Another link: http://money.cnn.com/2016...code/ [Edited 5/11/16 9:06am] What a fantastic program and Prince was always so dead on with the stuff he said. Hell yes there needs to be more IT Programs in urban areas!!! Where I live the community college has several campuses, one downtown- but where are all the IT classes? On the predominantly white suburban campuses. Total bs. So much time is wasted yelling out the problems, so little time is spent on the action. IMHO. Prince seemed to really be about finding solutions to the problems instead of just talking about them. We really lost a great soul. Truly tragic. I only hope I can find my calling and do some good work too! Surprise, surprise.
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i never thought about lg & the fancy lesbians - you may be on to something there. That would really be some tragic bullshit if they aren't included in a memorial or tribute because they are fancy. How can people who claim to follow Jesus be so cruel to other humans? Jesus said we were all forgiven and we are ALL Gods children and we should treat each other how we want to be treated... That stuff just blows my mind. I wish he had found a "nicer" religion to associate with. Or just made up his own. Surprise, surprise.
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It always seemed Sheila was in love 2 me. She was the 'cheerleader' The fall out came before the book. She was snubbed on the Welcome 2 Europe tour and then in America when her family band was supposed to open for Prince in Cali and he removed them last min. I actually believe it, that there was some kind of engagement. Her father said the same though.
There's a nasty rumor that's goin' 'round
Oh cool... Thanks for that run down of sister fate. I loved that CD but never really dissected the lyrics. I was probably too young at the time to read that much into it. I had read the falling out was due to the concert thing though and still thought there was more to it especially now that LG and Shelia seem pretty tight since his passing. Honestly, the thing that scares me is Sheila having a say in vault stuff because she's pretty religious too. I want unedited Prince. I want cuts from his bad boy days and stuff from his more "mature" times. Purely selfish on my part but whatever. I just don't think that if there is a God he'd care too much about people celebrating sexuality or using vulgar language. I think he's more concerned with how we treat each other and the planet. More on the as long as you don't hurt nobody, do what you gotta. That was what Prince taught me growing up... But that's me and my God. I just need to let it go if that's how it's going to be. They'd sell more albums with the naughty stuff and that money could do a lot of good for the projects Prince wanted to see completed. IMHO Surprise, surprise.
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Getting back on topic here's some more information about Prince's work with Van Jones. It's is important to recognize people coming together to inspire and lead by example. I'm glad he was able to connect with people of substance to balance out the energy of the fake and superficial people around him. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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I found out prince & Susannah were engaged in the back of sassy magazine, when Wendy spilled those beans. I wish I could find it - she said prince had bought her sister a big ring. then I think I heard whispers that they were never engaged. | |
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Tamron was a fan with pics of him on her wall. Ten P befriended her. Nothing but a sychophant.
Real friends do nut butt kiss.
Wendy and Lisa were real friends; P pushed them away.
Andre was a real friend; P pushed him away. They still stayed in touch, but barely spoke. Andre still loves him like a bro.
Bobby Z was driving Prince about when P was broke, before he was a star. He was A REAL FRIEND of Prince Roger Nelson, not the superstar Prince, like most who came later.
Sheila E was a real friend. They had a huge falling out because of Prince kicking her off his tour. She did not kiss butt.
See the pattern.
Yes sir Prince, how do you want your butt kissed?
Van kissed his butt. Tamron kissed his butt. All the young women claiming to be his best friend kissed his butt.
Larry was friends due to P accpeting what Larry told him was 'the truth'. They would not have been friends if Prince said NO to religion, thus their friendship was conditional.
That is not real friendship to me. [Edited 5/11/16 9:31am] yup. not a surprise to anyone that he was kind of a control freak, esp in relationships where he could get hurt as he did in his childhood. tamron was so interested in eveeyone knowing they were "friends" and yet she said almost nothing about what a great person or friend he was...ljust that their conversations were private. it was all about her. i don't know what prince considered the relationship to be, but usually the louder one has to make the point that a relationship exists, the more flimsy the relationship. i never saw damaris making the rounds insisting they were friends . "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
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Like so many, I'm grieving. I find myself devouring every piece of information on P at the moment.
But the 'real friends' issue is intriguing. I am suspect of P having any really close friends at all. Simply because he controlled everything. Absolutely everything.
I'm in the anger and blame stages of grief, where I want to blame everyone but P, even though I know that's ridiculous. But I'm thinking this: If you are a REAL FRIEND, then you get the right people there for a real intervention, the way it should be done. It's a broken record now, after all these deaths we've seen. There is no reasoning in the body that is used to a pain killer, if that is what the cause of death was. Even if it wasn't, then still, tell your brother he's close to being a mental case for not sleeping for days on end. Tell your brother the TRUTH. Regardless. But see, that's the problem. Regardless of paying the mortgage? Paying your car note? You risk everything for telling P the truth. It was a revolving door and everybody knew it.
What is really intersting is the women. None of them can let go. P seems to be like no other ex-husband or ex-boyfriend that is normal. You know the ones that you don't care if they are dead or alive or what the hell they are up to or whatever. The ones you wouldn't give the time of day to or even say their name for a waste of breath. Those ones. But P. These women cannot let go. They were engaged, not engaged. Married, divorced. In a relationship, not in one. Whatever magic this man had, he has left it with them, because I don't know if any of them has actually moved on to a successful relationship. None of them.
I suppose what's next is the spill-the-beans sex revelations to start flowing from women claiming to have had sex with P. Or more women claiming to have been engaged to him.
Will we ever know the full truth? NO. Becasue that autobiography was only 50 pages in.
(hanging my head in sorry again). [Edited 5/11/16 15:17pm] Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend. | |
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blue22 said: Like so many, I'm grieving. I find myself devouring every piece of information on P at the moment.
But the 'real friends' issue is intriguing. I am suspect of P having any really close friends at all. Simply because he controlled everything. Absolutely everything.
I'm in the anger and blame stages of grief, where I want to blame everyone but P, even though I know that's ridiculous. But I'm thinking this: If you are a REAL FRIEND, then you get the right people there for a real intervention, the way it should be done. It's a broken record now, after all these deaths we've seen. There is no reasoning in the body that is used to a pain killer, if that is what the cause of death was. Even if it wasn't, then still, tell your brother he's close to being a mental case for not sleeping for days on end. Tell your brother the TRUTH. Regardless. But see, that's the problem. Regardless of paying the mortgage? Paying your car note? You risk everything for telling P the truth. It was a revolving door and everybody knew it.
What is really intersting is the women. None of them can let go. P seems to be like no other ex-husband or ex-boyfriend that is normal. You know the ones that you don't care if they are dead or alive or what the hell they are up to or whatever. The ones you wouldn't give the time of day to or even say their name for a waste of breath. Those ones. But P. These women cannot let go. They were engaged, not engaged. Married, divorced. In a relationship, not in one. Whatever magic this man had, he has left it with them, because I don't know if any of them has actually moved on to a successful relationship. None of them.
I suppose what's next is the spill-the-beans sex revelations to start flowing from women claiming to have had sex with P. Or more women claiming to have been engaged to him.
Will we ever know the full truth? NO. Becasue that autobiography was only 50 pages in.
(hanging my head in sorry again). [Edited 5/11/16 15:17pm] i agree that friendships must have been tough if he wanted to be in control. that is not how friendship works as we all know. i don't completely agree on the women. several did move on to get married and have other relationships. apollonia and mani are married, and some of the others seem to have moved on,mwith the exception of mayte. but that poor girl met him when she was 16 and was svengalied. she never even had a chance to develop a mature self image without a man controlling it. she has herself said that she is screwed up for life. but i think people coming forward to say nice things about him does not necessarily mean they aren't over him. just that he was a very special person and they can recognize that despite their own current marriages or relationships. i mean, lets remember..many of these women chose to LEAVE HIM. and he was alone for the last ten years or so of his life, waiting for the right person, as he put it. was she really not out there? or did the person he wanted not really exist in real life 21st century usa? i have often wondered about that. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta [Edited 5/11/16 15:35pm] "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
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cardinal said: blue22 said: Like so many, I'm grieving. I find myself devouring every piece of information on P at the moment.
But the 'real friends' issue is intriguing. I am suspect of P having any really close friends at all. Simply because he controlled everything. Absolutely everything.
I'm in the anger and blame stages of grief, where I want to blame everyone but P, even though I know that's ridiculous. But I'm thinking this: If you are a REAL FRIEND, then you get the right people there for a real intervention, the way it should be done. It's a broken record now, after all these deaths we've seen. There is no reasoning in the body that is used to a pain killer, if that is what the cause of death was. Even if it wasn't, then still, tell your brother he's close to being a mental case for not sleeping for days on end. Tell your brother the TRUTH. Regardless. But see, that's the problem. Regardless of paying the mortgage? Paying your car note? You risk everything for telling P the truth. It was a revolving door and everybody knew it.
What is really intersting is the women. None of them can let go. P seems to be like no other ex-husband or ex-boyfriend that is normal. You know the ones that you don't care if they are dead or alive or what the hell they are up to or whatever. The ones you wouldn't give the time of day to or even say their name for a waste of breath. Those ones. But P. These women cannot let go. They were engaged, not engaged. Married, divorced. In a relationship, not in one. Whatever magic this man had, he has left it with them, because I don't know if any of them has actually moved on to a successful relationship. None of them.
I suppose what's next is the spill-the-beans sex revelations to start flowing from women claiming to have had sex with P. Or more women claiming to have been engaged to him.
Will we ever know the full truth? NO. Becasue that autobiography was only 50 pages in.
(hanging my head in sorry again). [Edited 5/11/16 15:17pm] i agree that friendships must have been tough if he wanted to be in control. that is not how friendship works as we all know. i don't completely agree on the women. several did move on to get married and have other relationships. apollonia and mani are married, and some of the others seem to have moved on,mwith the exception of mayte. but that poor girl met him when she was 16 and was svengalied. she never even had a chance to develop a mature self image without a man controlling it. she has herself said that she is screwed up for life. but i think people coming forward to say nice things about him does not necessarily mean they aren't over him. just that he was a very special person and they can recognize that despite their own current marriages or relationships. i mean, lets remember..many of these women chose to LEAVE HIM. and he was alone for the last ten years or so of his life, waiting for the right person, as he put it. was she really not out there? or did the person he wanted not really exist in real life 21st century usa? i have often wondered about that. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta [Edited 5/11/16 15:35pm] Oh OK. I didn't know about the ones moving on. I was thinking about Sheila, Denise, Mayte. I agree that people saying nice things is because of his magic. 100%. Denise said that she needed one person to love her and he needed many. He told Tatiana that too. I wonder if Susan moved on because she was even younger than Mayte by all accounts. [Edited 5/11/16 15:57pm] Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend. | |
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I'm disappointed no one really wants questions answered and for justice to be served. This never should have happened. I don't care if this one or that one was a friend. I'd like to know wtf happened. The inner circle people that just are defending Prince the person but comes a time they should be asking wtf happened? Prince should not have died this young and from sounds of it under these circumstances. I realize many are in denial but when are they going to wake up and start asking the difficult questions. Justice for Prince. Wtf, who the fuck, how did this man die? I don't think Van had a clue. I bet his small inner circle was only a couple people who knows, who know what gone wrong. Where is the mouth piece asking this? If something criminal gone down we need answers. If it does turn out to be something like the flu or blood clot so be it but where is the person at least asking? Why? If stupid doctors and enablers are involved they should pay the price. I hope someone just starts speaking if they do know things. I hope they at least go to the authorities. Prince is dead and gone he doesn't need protection or fools fighting over who was a real friend. Some justice would do. What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet? | |
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blue22 said: cardinal said: i agree that friendships must have been tough if he wanted to be in control. that is not how friendship works as we all know. i don't completely agree on the women. several did move on to get married and have other relationships. apollonia and mani are married, and some of the others seem to have moved on,mwith the exception of mayte. but that poor girl met him when she was 16 and was svengalied. she never even had a chance to develop a mature self image without a man controlling it. she has herself said that she is screwed up for life. but i think people coming forward to say nice things about him does not necessarily mean they aren't over him. just that he was a very special person and they can recognize that despite their own current marriages or relationships. i mean, lets remember..many of these women chose to LEAVE HIM. and he was alone for the last ten years or so of his life, waiting for the right person, as he put it. was she really not out there? or did the person he wanted not really exist in real life 21st century usa? i have often wondered about that. "do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta [Edited 5/11/16 15:35pm] Oh OK. I didn't know about the ones moving on. I was thinking about Sheila, Denise, Mayte. I agree that people saying nice things is because of his magic. 100%. Denise said that she needed one person to love her and he needed many. He told Tatiana that too. I wonder if Susan moved on because she was even younger than Mayte by all accounts. [Edited 5/11/16 15:57pm] i am sure these relationships, like most, were complex. once we love someone, who knows if it ever completely goes away? we have heard about exes getting back, high school sweethearts who go and live life for 30 years, married to other people, and meet later in life and get together. i am sure some of these women are feeling nostalgic and genuinely love him. i think it was mayte who said she wasn't "actively in love" with him but would always love him nonetheless. nothing is simple in this world....sigh..... "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
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I agree with u but there will also be the ones who want their 15 mins of fame and to make MONEY Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Interestingly Sheila E for the last 5+ years has been performing Erotic City, the Belle of St Mark, Olivers House during her shows
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I don't blame her they are great songs Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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EXACTLY! Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend. | |
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If you watch the interview where he Prince and Rosario are introducing the Welcome 2 Chicago shows, he speaks FOR Prince in a way that shows they know each other pretty well. And for Prince to call someone out of the blue and ask about somebody else's kids and tell then they gotta do something about them says they had a pretty good level of familiarity and closeness with each other. Thats not something media or business associates do with each other. Change it one more time.. | |
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Fact is we will never know. Even if they do talk it will be their side of the story. P is not here to tell his.
If my husband told me that he was 'actively in love' with another woman, I would have been actively walking the other way.
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