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BanishedBrian said:

bobos123 said:

How can anyone produce a WILL without the death certificate ???

I am a lawyer. You are wrong.

I'm not saying there couldn't still be a will, however, there is no reason a will could not be presented to the court at this stage.

To your point about there being no reason a will could not be presented to the court at this stage; I read this on a legal blog discussing Tyka's request to appoint a special administrator for Prince's estate:

"Despite Ms. Nelson’s claim there is no will, that remains an open question. In Minnesota, a person can secretly file a will in probate court prior to death. If Prince did this, the will and any associated trusts or heirs will only be revealed once the death certificate is filed. As of this article’s publishing, the medical examiner has not released a death certificate due to the inconclusive autopsy and pending findings from toxicology tests."

http://lindleylawoffice.com/blog/2016/04/28/what-happens-if-you-die-without-a-will-taking-a-lesson-from-prince/

BlackandRising said:

BanishedBrian said:

I am a lawyer. You are wrong.

I'm not saying there couldn't still be a will, however, there is no reason a will could not be presented to the court at this stage.

To your point about there being no reason a will could not be presented to the court at this stage; I read this on a legal blog discussing Tyka's request to appoint a special administrator for Prince's estate:

"Despite Ms. Nelson’s claim there is no will, that remains an open question. In Minnesota, a person can secretly file a will in probate court prior to death. If Prince did this, the will and any associated trusts or heirs will only be revealed once the death certificate is filed. As of this article’s publishing, the medical examiner has not released a death certificate due to the inconclusive autopsy and pending findings from toxicology tests."

http://lindleylawoffice.com/blog/2016/04/28/what-happens-if-you-die-without-a-will-taking-a-lesson-from-prince/

That's a law office so I presume they know their stuff. At the same time, they are in North Carolina, not MN.

MN law allows for a Fact of Death Certificate and differentiates it from a Fact and Cause of Death Certificate. The info for the Fact of Death Certificate has to be filed before disposition of the body, and once filed, the certificate can be issued. A Fact of Death Certificate can be used to carry out activities settling the estate. Why would it be allowed for estate settlement activities if it's not good enough to force the will to be produced? That wouldn't make sense.

http://www.health.state.m...tutes.html

nursev said:

morningsong said:

Nobody can wrap their head around the no will part.

damn

It's tough.

Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

Eileen said:

Spanky said:

Enquirer claims there is a will.

Do you have a link? I'm looking at what appears their most current story, "May 5, 2016 @ 10:17AM" and the opening line begins,"Prince died without leaving a will"

Eileen said:

Eileen said:

BlackandRising said:

To your point about there being no reason a will could not be presented to the court at this stage; I read this on a legal blog discussing Tyka's request to appoint a special administrator for Prince's estate:

"Despite Ms. Nelson’s claim there is no will, that remains an open question. In Minnesota, a person can secretly file a will in probate court prior to death. If Prince did this, the will and any associated trusts or heirs will only be revealed once the death certificate is filed. As of this article’s publishing, the medical examiner has not released a death certificate due to the inconclusive autopsy and pending findings from toxicology tests."

http://lindleylawoffice.com/blog/2016/04/28/what-happens-if-you-die-without-a-will-taking-a-lesson-from-prince/

That's a law office so I presume they know their stuff. At the same time, they are in North Carolina, not MN.

MN law allows for a Fact of Death Certificate and differentiates it from a Fact and Cause of Death Certificate. The info for the Fact of Death Certificate has to be filed before disposition of the body, and once filed, the certificate can be issued. A Fact of Death Certificate can be used to carry out activities settling the estate. Why would it be allowed for estate settlement activities if it's not good enough to force the will to be produced? That wouldn't make sense.

http://www.health.state.m...tutes.html

my wife read this very thing and is still unsure as to what makes sense and what does not. I think my point is that it's premature to say that there is no will based on the probate court thing.

Suppose a biological child stepped up and it was proven that Prince is the dad; would this mean he or she would be first in line to inherit everything or still have to split it up with Prince's family?

(I haven't heard anything about biological children etc before people start rumors. I don't understand how the laws of wills work)

MakeUpIsFabulous said:

Suppose a biological child stepped up and it was proven that Prince is the dad; would this mean he or she would be first in line to inherit everything or still have to split it up with Prince's family?

(I haven't heard anything about biological children etc before people start rumors. I don't understand how the laws of wills work)

If there is a biological child, he/she would inherit all of Prince's estate. (Then of course, the rest of the family could certainly contest this in court.)

lwr001 said:

i am waiting for every one to say it was a bad dream

Agreed.

It would be really nice for some kind of document or wish to come forward.

I can imagine the board members would implode that if one is found, and the wish was to lock the vault and all else down...

Let's hope there is something hidden out there that is not surfaced yet.

In a situation like this, are family members allowed to freely roam in his house, vault, etc and go through his things?? I am just curious.

bobos123 said:

Prince lawyers are waiting until a death certificate has been produced. Prince is playing the family game and IMO he will deliver as he always has . RIP .. Big up to George Lopez the only man who has helped princes legacy alive .. What he did was remarkable. He is not officially dead until the certificate has been produced .. Families can split all his money they want until the death certificate has been produced they cannot touch his vault. The Will come and backfire on the people he trusted. Remember '7' there are now 7 siblings fighting " All 7 and we'll watch them fall They stand in the way of love And we will smoke them all With an intellect and a savoir-faire" 3121 3+1/21 = 4/21 on his mattress and his album he knew [Edited 5/3/16 15:49pm]

Two Words: CRACK KILLS.

If there is no will, Prince goes down as one of the least responsible rich people of all time.

It's not inconceivable that P. died without leaving a will - deliberately.

I recall an interview with him where he was asked about releasing things from the vault, and he said it could well happen after his death - but he seemed entirely disinterested in the prospect. He just didn't seem to care...

In another interview he spoke of how death would be a 'celebration' - perhaps, part of that would be the entire 'letting go' process. He wanted absolute control in Earthly life - but after that finished, he would be able to completely relinquish that control to his God - including divesting himself of any power to dictate what happened to his belongings after death.

Just a thought!

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bobos123 said:

berlinas2k said:

I remember reading yesterday that if his will is in the custody of a trust, it will not be presented until the death certificate is submitted. However, I would think that if someone had it they would say so.

doubtful the person who may have it, is still under the duty of care to prince. one more Question which is on my mind . They cremated prince very quickly, following his instructions? How did they get his instructions ??? have faith in prince he will deliver as he always has. miss him though

He didn't give direct instructions. Prince said he didn't want there to be any fuss when/if he died, so it was interpreted as cremation. The least amount of fuss possible, just like David Bowie. God, I miss Housequake.com

Here is information from the Minnesota Judicial Website:

Important Notice Regarding Searching for Wills

Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2015

Wills deposited with the court during a testator’s lifetime under Minn. Stat. § 524.2-515 are confidential, while wills deposited with the court after a testator’s death under Minn. Stat. §§ 55.10 or 524.2-516 are public. If you are searching for a will for a deceased person, you will need to seek the assistance of court staff to conduct a thorough search. In addition, Rule 4, subd. 1(i), of the Rules of Public Access to Records of the Judicial Branch, requires that you provide to the court proof of the testator’s death before the court can disclose the existence of a will that was deposited during the testator’s lifetime. Providing proof of death will also conveniently provide the date of death for purposes of determining whether a will was deposited before or after the death. Obtaining a copy of a will deposited before the testator’s death or transferring an original will to the appropriate court requires a court order.

http://www.mncourts.gov/A...px?id=1208

morningsong said:

Nobody can wrap their head around the no will part.

^This.

I still think there is, or was, a will.

Dibblekins said:

It's not inconceivable that P. died without leaving a will - deliberately.

I recall an interview with him where he was asked about releasing things from the vault, and he said it could well happen after his death - but he seemed entirely disinterested in the prospect. He just didn't seem to care...

That fits with quotes I've read from a couple of his former attorneys.

somethinginthewater said:

Here is information from the Minnesota Judicial Website:

Important Notice Regarding Searching for Wills

Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2015

Wills deposited with the court during a testator’s lifetime under Minn. Stat. § 524.2-515 are confidential, while wills deposited with the court after a testator’s death under Minn. Stat. §§ 55.10 or 524.2-516 are public. If you are searching for a will for a deceased person, you will need to seek the assistance of court staff to conduct a thorough search. In addition, Rule 4, subd. 1(i), of the Rules of Public Access to Records of the Judicial Branch, requires that you provide to the court proof of the testator’s death before the court can disclose the existence of a will that was deposited during the testator’s lifetime. Providing proof of death will also conveniently provide the date of death for purposes of determining whether a will was deposited before or after the death. Obtaining a copy of a will deposited before the testator’s death or transferring an original will to the appropriate court requires a court order.

http://www.mncourts.gov/A...px?id=1208

Fact are always appreciated, thank you. However I'm not sure whether you're trying to make a specific point, and if so, what that point is.

Eileen said:

somethinginthewater said:

Here is information from the Minnesota Judicial Website:

Important Notice Regarding Searching for Wills

Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2015

Wills deposited with the court during a testator’s lifetime under Minn. Stat. § 524.2-515 are confidential, while wills deposited with the court after a testator’s death under Minn. Stat. §§ 55.10 or 524.2-516 are public. If you are searching for a will for a deceased person, you will need to seek the assistance of court staff to conduct a thorough search. In addition, Rule 4, subd. 1(i), of the Rules of Public Access to Records of the Judicial Branch, requires that you provide to the court proof of the testator’s death before the court can disclose the existence of a will that was deposited during the testator’s lifetime. Providing proof of death will also conveniently provide the date of death for purposes of determining whether a will was deposited before or after the death. Obtaining a copy of a will deposited before the testator’s death or transferring an original will to the appropriate court requires a court order.

http://www.mncourts.gov/A...px?id=1208

Fact are always appreciated, thank you. However I'm not sure whether you're trying to make a specific point, and if so, what that point is.

The point is, Minnesota allows the filing of sealed wills with the probate court. If one was made by Prince they are prohibited from disclosing a will until they have a death certificate.

lezama said:

Eileen said:

Fact are always appreciated, thank you. However I'm not sure whether you're trying to make a specific point, and if so, what that point is.

The point is, Minnesota allows the filing of sealed wills with the probate court. If one was made by Prince they are prohibited from disclosing a will until they have a death certificate.

A body cannot be cremated without a death record. A death record is what is needed to get a death certificate. All a death certificate is, is an official govt stamped copy of the death record. The same death record required to bury someone, or cremate someone, or open a probate court case. Hence, all the activity going on already required either a death record (initially) or a death certificate (ongoing).

You are confusing the bit of info - CAUSE OF DEATH - with a death certificate. MN has two types of death certificates, with and without cause of death. It's just another bit of data on the death record.

I hope that helps.

UPDT: additionally, the law you posted doesn't even state 'death certificate' - it says "requires that you provide to the court proof of the testator’s death before the court can disclose the existence of a will". Believe me, a person has to provide proof of death before cremating or burying a body. That ship has sailed. The probate court isn't holding hearings and assigning estate administrators while lacking "proof of the testator's death".

[Edited 5/22/16 22:38pm]

Eileen said:

lezama said:

The point is, Minnesota allows the filing of sealed wills with the probate court. If one was made by Prince they are prohibited from disclosing a will until they have a death certificate.

A body cannot be cremated without a death record. A death record is what is needed to get a death certificate. All a death certificate is, is an official govt stamped copy of the death record. The same death record required to bury someone, or cremate someone, or open a probate court case. Hence, all the activity going on already required either a death record (initially) or a death certificate (ongoing).

You are confusing the bit of info - CAUSE OF DEATH - with a death certificate. MN has two types of death certificates, with and without cause of death. It's just another bit of data on the death record.

I hope that helps.

UPDT: additionally, the law you posted doesn't even state 'death certificate' - it says "requires that you provide to the court proof of the testator’s death before the court can disclose the existence of a will". Believe me, a person has to provide proof of death before cremating or burying a body. That ship has sailed. The probate court isn't holding hearings and assigning estate administrators while lacking "proof of the testator's death".

[Edited 5/22/16 22:38pm]

As I understood it, I thought the law referenced a "death certificate" but in looking at the law I don't see that specific reference. So, I guess thats a question for someone more familiar with MN state law than I am.

[Edited 5/22/16 22:51pm]

lezama said:

As I understood it, I thought the law referenced a "death certificate" but in looking at the law I don't see that specific reference. So, I guess thats a question for someone more familiar with MN state law than I am.

There are numerous questions answered above by an attorney in this one page thread.

morningsong said:

Nobody can wrap their head around the no will part.

Yeah. It's baffling. I don't think anyone in the world would have predicted that he would have no will at all, with that many assets and the fate of the vault on the line. The absence of one has to be him making some kind of point from beyond the grave. Maybe "Once U're gone, nothing matters" or something along those lines.

Eileen said:

lezama said:

As I understood it, I thought the law referenced a "death certificate" but in looking at the law I don't see that specific reference. So, I guess thats a question for someone more familiar with MN state law than I am.

There are numerous questions answered above by an attorney in this one page thread.

I'll read everyone else's comments when I have a moment.

[Edited 5/23/16 5:42am]

The estate will sort itself out. Trust that.