keenly said:

paulludvig said:

And THAT would be a good idea!

No it would not.

Yes it would. Archival projects require specific skills. It's not enough to have been around at the time. You have to have the skill of a historian. And you have to be objective (as far as that is possible)

paulludvig said:

keenly said:

Prince said 'heaven sent helpers' for a reason.

None of them have huge egos. They are very honest, good people. You need to show them more respect.

They have enormous egos!

Leave the vault as it is. Don't tamper with it. Make it available for researchers. That's the most important thing.

No they do not at all. You have no idea.

Who said tamper with it?

Mixing and mastering will need to be done. That means a producer who KNOWS what Prince likes working with an engineer. Nobody better than Wendy and Lisa for that. Nobody co wrote more songs. FACT.

Who can compile box sets? Who will know what songs go with what album as extras? The ORIGINAL people involved.

KingSausage said:

I don't care who does it, as long as they do it while Josh is out of town.

LOL thanks I needed that laugh

keenly said:

paulludvig said:

They have enormous egos!

Leave the vault as it is. Don't tamper with it. Make it available for researchers. That's the most important thing.

No they do not at all. You have no idea.

Who said tamper with it?

Mixing and mastering will need to be done. That means a producer who KNOWS what Prince likes working with an engineer. Nobody better than Wendy and Lisa for that. Nobody co wrote more songs. FACT.

Who can compile box sets? Who will know what songs go with what album as extras? The ORIGINAL people involved.

These debates are always a little confusing to me, because I think there are two different things going on. The first are all the songs that we know about already - we know when they were recoded; we know what albums they were considered for; we have copies of most in some level of sound quality. I think this represents the majority of the Vault material. Frankly, there is no need for former band members to be involved with that stuff, as various people have already done the work.

Then there is the question of material that's not known to us. Given how much leaked at the time, and how former band members and engineers already detailed so much information, I think the amount that will fall in this category will be very sparse. If there is material like that, then input from past associates may be needed IMO, but I don't think it is for the first category.

keenly said:

paulludvig said:

They have enormous egos!

Leave the vault as it is. Don't tamper with it. Make it available for researchers. That's the most important thing.

No they do not at all. You have no idea.

Who said tamper with it?

Mixing and mastering will need to be done. That means a producer who KNOWS what Prince likes working with an engineer. Nobody better than Wendy and Lisa for that. Nobody co wrote more songs. FACT.

Who can compile box sets? Who will know what songs go with what album as extras? The ORIGINAL people involved.

I disagree. Use someone professional. Someone whos knows about working with documents and written records. As for mixing and mastering, use someone with the technical know-how. It's clear from interview with people back then they they don't know what Prince likes.

Why should anyone produce it? He probably left the work in a very finished state. There should be no need to do anything outside of perfect the mixes and send it off to Bernie Grundman for mastering

Thizz said:

Why should anyone produce it? He probably left the work in a very finished state. There should be no need to do anything outside of perfect the mixes and send it off to Bernie Grundman for mastering

paulludvig said:

BanishedBrian said:

keenly said:

No they do not at all. You have no idea.

Who said tamper with it?

Mixing and mastering will need to be done. That means a producer who KNOWS what Prince likes working with an engineer. Nobody better than Wendy and Lisa for that. Nobody co wrote more songs. FACT.

Who can compile box sets? Who will know what songs go with what album as extras? The ORIGINAL people involved.

These debates are always a little confusing to me, because I think there are two different things going on. The first are all the songs that we know about already - we know when they were recoded; we know what albums they were considered for; we have copies of most in some level of sound quality. I think this represents the majority of the Vault material. Frankly, there is no need for former band members to be involved with that stuff, as various people have already done the work.

Then there is the question of material that's not known to us. Given how much leaked at the time, and how former band members and engineers already detailed so much information, I think the amount that will fall in this category will be very sparse. If there is material like that, then input from past associates may be needed IMO, but I don't think it is for the first category.

I sorta agree with this, but I say U might as well let the 2nd group do the first as well.

I have Bruce Springsteen's Darkness on the Edge of Town(1978) And he release in 2010 a cool booklet: The Lost Sessions:Darkness on the Edge of Town

2 discs of music from the 78 releases album sessions

an opening preface called the Promise
photos from that session/year

and the lyrics to the songs

Thanks Special Thanks credits

.

That is something I would enjoy and cherish
Something for each year or each album

.

The (Purple?) Vault Sessions:________

1 or 2 discs of the music

photos from that album photosessions as well as personal photos from that period

lyrics background info

OldFriends4Sale said:

BanishedBrian said:

These debates are always a little confusing to me, because I think there are two different things going on. The first are all the songs that we know about already - we know when they were recoded; we know what albums they were considered for; we have copies of most in some level of sound quality. I think this represents the majority of the Vault material. Frankly, there is no need for former band members to be involved with that stuff, as various people have already done the work.

Then there is the question of material that's not known to us. Given how much leaked at the time, and how former band members and engineers already detailed so much information, I think the amount that will fall in this category will be very sparse. If there is material like that, then input from past associates may be needed IMO, but I don't think it is for the first category.

I sorta agree with this, but I say U might as well let the 2nd group do the first as well.

Just as an example of fan work, see the following compliation: http://1986boxset.blogspo...ew=sidebar

Let's say for example that you ask Wendy & Lisa to curate a 1986 project - are they really going to put the blood, sweat and tears into doing something as comprehensive and well curated as that? If you ask them to spend a few hours helping, I'm sure the might do that, but they aren't going to be interested in diving into the history of P's music the way the people who put that collection together did or, for example, the way Boris Fishpaw has done at the org.

KingSausage said:

I don't care who does it, as long as they do it while Josh is out of town.

At last something we can all agree on

Seriously though I have no idea what I want to happen in terms of the vault, it kinda feels too early

NorthC said:

paulludvig said:

And THAT would be a good idea!

Yes. Let's look at my other favourite musician Bob Dylan, who has 12 volumes of "Bootleg Series" out by now. Dylan doesn't compile and produce these himself. It's done by archivists and engineers and the end result gets Dylans "okay" and then it's out there. It's not done by former band members, that would be nonsense. So in Prince's case, we need an engineer who has experience in restoring old tapes and a music historian. And having someone who is NOT from the Prince camp would be a good thing, because they would be impartial and have no prejudice or preference for this or that particular album or period. What we need here is music historians who will do his work justice! Does amyone have Per Nilsen's phone number? He would be THE guy! He'd be like a kid in a candy store! Hook him up with an engineer and we'll get Prince: The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-45!

Steven Wilson has done all the King Crimson, Jethro Tull, XTC, Gentle Giant reissues. He is a master engineer, remixer and genius musian, stereo and surrond mixes. He knows how to deal with tape, transfering it to digital etc.

Thizz said:

Prince is fully equipped to be the greatest posthumous artist of all-time. Say what you will but death is a certain way back to the top of the charts

"I've never said this before, but I didn't always give the record companies the best song. There are songs in the vault that no one's ever heard. There are several vaults; it's not just one vault" - Prince

I didn't want to say this yet but Prince has the potential to be the greatest posthumous artist of all-time - and I would suspect that his unreleased material is a lot more finished and put together than any other artists a majority of which would feature less collaborators and sampling so there will be very little red tape on getting his work out in it's original form

Keep in mind how large his catalog is now, it's been said over 70% of his work is unreleased. Conservative estimates say there's about 2,000 unreleased songs. From his unreleased material over the years I'm sure there's enough to be able to compile a whole project of Prince rapping . . I really like Prince as a rapper for the same reasons I like Madonna as a rapper. Slick and concise, and very precise with their words

i agree , this is a guy who has recorded every rehearsal, show etc,,,,,he will make all other estates lookloiek childs play

BanishedBrian said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I sorta agree with this, but I say U might as well let the 2nd group do the first as well.

Just as an example of fan work, see the following compliation: http://1986boxset.blogspo...ew=sidebar

Let's say for example that you ask Wendy & Lisa to curate a 1986 project - are they really going to put the blood, sweat and tears into doing something as comprehensive and well curated as that? If you ask them to spend a few hours helping, I'm sure the might do that, but they aren't going to be interested in diving into the history of P's music the way the people who put that collection together did or, for example, the way Boris Fishpaw has done at the org.

W&L will emphasise the stuff they worked on. Naturally. Nothing wrong with that. So would anyone given a chance. But we need something more comprehensive than that.

[Edited 4/24/16 15:08pm]

lwr001 said:

Thizz said:

Prince is fully equipped to be the greatest posthumous artist of all-time. Say what you will but death is a certain way back to the top of the charts

"I've never said this before, but I didn't always give the record companies the best song. There are songs in the vault that no one's ever heard. There are several vaults; it's not just one vault" - Prince

I didn't want to say this yet but Prince has the potential to be the greatest posthumous artist of all-time - and I would suspect that his unreleased material is a lot more finished and put together than any other artists a majority of which would feature less collaborators and sampling so there will be very little red tape on getting his work out in it's original form

Keep in mind how large his catalog is now, it's been said over 70% of his work is unreleased. Conservative estimates say there's about 2,000 unreleased songs. From his unreleased material over the years I'm sure there's enough to be able to compile a whole project of Prince rapping . . I really like Prince as a rapper for the same reasons I like Madonna as a rapper. Slick and concise, and very precise with their words

i agree , this is a guy who has recorded every rehearsal, show etc,,,,,he will make all other estates lookloiek childs play

Hopefully some Live Blu Rays to come!

lwr001 said:

Thizz said:

Prince is fully equipped to be the greatest posthumous artist of all-time. Say what you will but death is a certain way back to the top of the charts

"I've never said this before, but I didn't always give the record companies the best song. There are songs in the vault that no one's ever heard. There are several vaults; it's not just one vault" - Prince

I didn't want to say this yet but Prince has the potential to be the greatest posthumous artist of all-time - and I would suspect that his unreleased material is a lot more finished and put together than any other artists a majority of which would feature less collaborators and sampling so there will be very little red tape on getting his work out in it's original form

Keep in mind how large his catalog is now, it's been said over 70% of his work is unreleased. Conservative estimates say there's about 2,000 unreleased songs. From his unreleased material over the years I'm sure there's enough to be able to compile a whole project of Prince rapping . . I really like Prince as a rapper for the same reasons I like Madonna as a rapper. Slick and concise, and very precise with their words

i agree , this is a guy who has recorded every rehearsal, show etc,,,,,he will make all other estates lookloiek childs play

He recorded every show and rehearsal, but this was for use in watching contemporaneously with the band members. It doesn't mean that he preserved it. I asked chronicfreeze this specific question (at least in relation to one period of time), and his answer was that he has no idea if he kept anything. If his engineer has no knowledge of things being kept once and the band had finished critiquing the performance, don't assume it's all there still in some preserved format.

But or course... let's hope!

NorthC said:

paulludvig said:

And THAT would be a good idea!

Yes. Let's look at my other favourite musician Bob Dylan, who has 12 volumes of "Bootleg Series" out by now. Dylan doesn't compile and produce these himself. It's done by archivists and engineers and the end result gets Dylans "okay" and then it's out there. It's not done by former band members, that would be nonsense. So in Prince's case, we need an engineer who has experience in restoring old tapes and a music historian. And having someone who is NOT from the Prince camp would be a good thing, because they would be impartial and have no prejudice or preference for this or that particular album or period. What we need here is music historians who will do his work justice! Does amyone have Per Nilsen's phone number? He would be THE guy! He'd be like a kid in a candy store! Hook him up with an engineer and we'll get Prince: The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-45!

Per Nilson is not a fan of Prince's past 80's work. He has his favourites as a fan. We need someone objective.

paulludvig said:

NorthC said:

paulludvig said: Yes. Let's look at my other favourite musician Bob Dylan, who has 12 volumes of "Bootleg Series" out by now. Dylan doesn't compile and produce these himself. It's done by archivists and engineers and the end result gets Dylans "okay" and then it's out there. It's not done by former band members, that would be nonsense. So in Prince's case, we need an engineer who has experience in restoring old tapes and a music historian. And having someone who is NOT from the Prince camp would be a good thing, because they would be impartial and have no prejudice or preference for this or that particular album or period. What we need here is music historians who will do his work justice! Does amyone have Per Nilsen's phone number? He would be THE guy! He'd be like a kid in a candy store! Hook him up with an engineer and we'll get Prince: The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-45!

Per Nilson is not a fan of Prince's past 80's work. He has his favourites as a fan. We need someone objective.

Steven Wilson.

BanishedBrian said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I sorta agree with this, but I say U might as well let the 2nd group do the first as well.

Just as an example of fan work, see the following compliation: http://1986boxset.blogspo...ew=sidebar

Let's say for example that you ask Wendy & Lisa to curate a 1986 project - are they really going to put the blood, sweat and tears into doing something as comprehensive and well curated as that? If you ask them to spend a few hours helping, I'm sure the might do that, but they aren't going to be interested in diving into the history of P's music the way the people who put that collection together did or, for example, the way Boris Fishpaw has done at the org.

I think they would. I think they have a passion and love 4 Prince in general that would
But that is why I think others from the times should be involded.

BanishedBrian said:

lwr001 said:

i agree , this is a guy who has recorded every rehearsal, show etc,,,,,he will make all other estates lookloiek childs play

He recorded every show and rehearsal, but this was for use in watching contemporaneously with the band members. It doesn't mean that he preserved it. I asked chronicfreeze this specific question (at least in relation to one period of time), and his answer was that he has no idea if he kept anything. If his engineer has no knowledge of things being kept once and the band had finished critiquing the performance, don't assume it's all there still in some preserved format.

But or course... let's hope!

Not assuming they still exist , ,just stating the fact that they were recorded////

funksterr said:

theartistirl said:

funksterr said:

Nope. Just give it to me in whatever state Prince left it in.

Ei was thinking the same earlier today.

.

I totally agree but someone needs to curate the work.

.

That could be a number of engineers from each period or someone like Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, Wendy & Lisa.

.

OldFriends4Sale said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Susan Rogers is one of the last people Prince would want anywhere near the vault.

This is from the retracted Ebony interview that he gave in December 2015 (the full text is online if you know where to look):

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the
vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal.
Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come
up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find
something to do. That’s scary."

You may not like it, but those are his own words, written in response to her interview with BBC last year. He clearly resented the intrusion.

[Edited 4/24/16 13:05pm]

he regreted what he said

And you know this how? He never retracted that statement. The article was pulled because he perceived it as a conversation, not an interview -- he didn't mean for those statements to be published, but I've never seen anything to indicate regret or that he changed his mind about what he said. Susan Rogers hasn't worked with him in almost 30 years.

[Edited 4/24/16 16:41pm]

BanishedBrian said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I sorta agree with this, but I say U might as well let the 2nd group do the first as well.

Just as an example of fan work, see the following compliation: http://1986boxset.blogspo...ew=sidebar

Let's say for example that you ask Wendy & Lisa to curate a 1986 project - are they really going to put the blood, sweat and tears into doing something as comprehensive and well curated as that? If you ask them to spend a few hours helping, I'm sure the might do that, but they aren't going to be interested in diving into the history of P's music the way the people who put that collection together did or, for example, the way Boris Fishpaw has done at the org.

There's a very direct answer to your question: not if Prince won't pay them. He wouldn't commit, and given his way of looking at things, I'm sure he was pissed when they asked whether they would be paid for RHG.