OldFriends4Sale said:

lust said:

Whatever happens, I hope it's handled with love sincerity and deepest care. I'd like Tyka to invite Wendy and Lisa and Susan Rogers in to help with custodianship of the earlier material so that if we are blessed with any future releases its handled in an appropriate manner and released in a way that it deserves. Albums that are properly sequenced and not over engineered. I'd rather nothing at all than to have his legacy pillaged and disrespected for greed and profit and in a way that would disrespect his wishes. Whatever they were. Maybe Questlove? I don't know really. Thinking out loud.

Stuff from 1977-1989 starting with Susan Rogers, and then have the people in the bands in those times work together. I think a lot of stuff would be released as is, just remastered.

Then stuff after that let dependable people from those periods or such

My heart is with the 1977-1989 music

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I could not agree more. I just had this discussion with a friend.

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Another thing is that there has to be tons of video material like live shows and music videos. That seems like it would be less complicated to get those type of things out vs unreleased songs.

jennifer912 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Do you have any bootlegs? Agreeing with Sheila and owning bootlegs would be a conflict, no?

Oh no, I don't have any bootlegs. I am just unsure if releasing songs from his vault is the right thing to do (that is why I am on the fence, I am sure there was a reason why he didn't already but on the other hand, I would love to hear everything!!). I just hope whoever is in charge, they will handle it appropriately.

No bootlegs?!? Sorry to hear that.

"...if he had wanted those released, he would have released them."

While I agree with Sheila in principle, the problem is that Prince changed his mind over and over on things, including the music in the vault. We'll never know what he would have done in the future with this music.

Whatever is done with the vault, I just hope it's handled properly.

I´m sure many of those songs/records in the vault will be released. The question will be how and when. I could imagine Remasters with additional disc(s) containing stuff from the vault from their specific period. Prince always said he has finished albums lying around. These will be put out for sure.

But before that I see (and hope for) rereleases of some PP records. Madhouse, Jill and all the stuff, that´s not been available since forever.

I would hope that they would release them as Prince released his music during his life. One album a year would be a blessing to have after his ascension. It would be heartbreaking to let all of those pieces of his musical soul be left to waste away unheard in a vault. Sheila is just hurting right now but she needs to understand that Prince needed to make music and share it. His passing shouldn't silence him. Open the vault respectfully and let Prince continue to bless the world with his gift for years to come. Just my

lrn36 said:

SmiggyG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Stuff from 1977-1989 starting with Susan Rogers, and then have the people in the bands in those times work together. I think a lot of stuff would be released as is, just remastered.

Then stuff after that let dependable people from those periods or such

My heart is with the 1977-1989 music

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I could not agree more. I just had this discussion with a friend.

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Another thing is that there has to be tons of video material like live shows and music videos. That seems like it would be less complicated to get those type of things out vs unreleased songs.

yes the videos/concerts would be easy to release

But I think that group has a certain respect 4 Prince. they would be redoing music.

djThunderfunk said:

Sheila E. thinks the songs in the vault should stay in the vault.

http://latino.foxnews.com...-in-vault/

Let's hope whomever has a say so doesn't ask her opinion. Just sayin'...

She's not thinking straight at the moment.

LittlePurpleYoda said:

As talented as she may be, she's not a very intelligent woman.

His struggle to release his recorded output defined a signficant portion of his career.

If he'd wanted vault material out, he had more than enough opportunity to do so the last several years. Maybe at the time some of it was put away because the record company didn't want him to release it, but after that, he just didn't want to release it. I hope he didn't leave instructions to destroy stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. And while I know that he claimed that things were prepped and ready for release, the rest might have other directives already given for what's supposed to happen.

I certainly don't see any reason to question Sheila's intelligence here. In part, she seems to be respecting Prince's implied desires about most of what's in the vaults--yes, he kept it, but he didn't originally organize it, and mostly seems to have used it as a source for things to re-record or re-use, not as a way to release archive collections (again, if he wanted to do that, he's had a market for years). And there's another possible reason for her position--some (not much, but some) of that material is partially hers. And there are circulating outtakes that aren't great with her on them, so maybe that's part of her position. As someone else said, it's not just Prince's history in those vaults, but parts of hers.

I want the material, every single scrap of it. But I know as well as I know anything that that isn't what Prince wanted. And Sheila certainly has the right to respect Prince's desires in this than she does my desires.

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She cray if she think the Estate will just allow future bootleggers to profit on mediocre sounding recordings just so the albums could stay in the vault forever smh. Even Lenny Kravitz got a tape of their recordings no one has heard.

His songs now belong to God, he loaned them to P. We should get access if we want. To important of a legacy for us who loved him too. We loved him too Sheila; nothing personal my lady.

You know how "artists" are.

Babynoz, you are finally here.

2freaky4church1 said:

Babynoz, you are finally here.

Been here the whole time...pay attention,

If this is true, a big IF, this is creepy...

https://pbs.twimg.com/med...AAiCCw.jpg

"Legal battle"? I understood that he signed a contract (he didn´t keep up to btw) that brought him the ownership of his masters, so where´s this battle coming from? And since he didn´t come up with the remasters, which are said to be part of this contract, Warner would have every right to pull back.

EddieC said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

As talented as she may be, she's not a very intelligent woman.

His struggle to release his recorded output defined a signficant portion of his career.

If he'd wanted vault material out, he had more than enough opportunity to do so the last several years. Maybe at the time some of it was put away because the record company didn't want him to release it, but after that, he just didn't want to release it. I hope he didn't leave instructions to destroy stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. And while I know that he claimed that things were prepped and ready for release, the rest might have other directives already given for what's supposed to happen.

I certainly don't see any reason to question Sheila's intelligence here. In part, she seems to be respecting Prince's implied desires about most of what's in the vaults--yes, he kept it, but he didn't originally organize it, and mostly seems to have used it as a source for things to re-record or re-use, not as a way to release archive collections (again, if he wanted to do that, he's had a market for years). And there's another possible reason for her position--some (not much, but some) of that material is partially hers. And there are circulating outtakes that aren't great with her on them, so maybe that's part of her position. As someone else said, it's not just Prince's history in those vaults, but parts of hers.

I want the material, every single scrap of it. But I know as well as I know anything that that isn't what Prince wanted. And Sheila certainly has the right to respect Prince's desires in this than she does my desires.

[Edited 4/24/16 10:15am]

If I understand correctly, he could only release material from 78-96 in conjunction with WB, supposedly why we never got CBII or Roadhouse Gardens, etc...

So, just because he didn't yet release material does not mean he had the opportunity and chose not too. I think it has been a matter of when, how and of course, how much would his share of the $ be. Seems he and WB hadn't quite worked all that out. Plus, he of course wanted to keep releasing new music, I'm sure he was wary of vault material overshadowing new material.

Think people; PRINCE KEPT THOSE SONGS FOR A REASON.

He did not destroy them. Thus he must have wanted them to be released one day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kapo74 said:

If this is true, a big IF, this is creepy...

https://pbs.twimg.com/med...AAiCCw.jpg

That can not be true, I hope.

EddieC said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

As talented as she may be, she's not a very intelligent woman.

His struggle to release his recorded output defined a signficant portion of his career.

If he'd wanted vault material out, he had more than enough opportunity to do so the last several years. Maybe at the time some of it was put away because the record company didn't want him to release it, but after that, he just didn't want to release it. I hope he didn't leave instructions to destroy stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. And while I know that he claimed that things were prepped and ready for release, the rest might have other directives already given for what's supposed to happen.

I certainly don't see any reason to question Sheila's intelligence here. In part, she seems to be respecting Prince's implied desires about most of what's in the vaults--yes, he kept it, but he didn't originally organize it, and mostly seems to have used it as a source for things to re-record or re-use, not as a way to release archive collections (again, if he wanted to do that, he's had a market for years). And there's another possible reason for her position--some (not much, but some) of that material is partially hers. And there are circulating outtakes that aren't great with her on them, so maybe that's part of her position. As someone else said, it's not just Prince's history in those vaults, but parts of hers.

I want the material, every single scrap of it. But I know as well as I know anything that that isn't what Prince wanted. And Sheila certainly has the right to respect Prince's desires in this than she does my desires.

[Edited 4/24/16 10:15am]

He never released that stuff because WB owned it!

CynicKill said:

That is really very, very interesting... I mean, of course he would say something sometimes and then the next minute... you know. But it seems there was something behind that statement.

keenly said:

kapo74 said:

If this is true, a big IF, this is creepy...

https://pbs.twimg.com/med...AAiCCw.jpg

That can not be true, I hope.

No way.

A couple of people have pointed to Prince's needing to work with Warner to release material recorded during his time with them--I get that, and that might account for some of it staying in the vault. He hadn't taken the opportunity to do anything since the deal with them a couple years ago, which at least theoretically suggested he was willing to work with them, and most reports suggested that there weren't going to be new songs on the reissues, but I don't know how the deal was structured. That doesn't account for the stuff recorded since the mid-90s (people report that he continued his constant recording ways) once he could have released stuff at a higher rate than he did. My belief is that he didn't want most of it released in any form, at any time. That doesn't stop me from having as much of it as I can on my drives, but I don't think he wanted me to have it before, and I don't think he would want me to have it now just because he died.

I don't know. Maybe he just didn't want to look back, but didn't mind if we did after he died--and maybe there's twenty albums ready to go, and clear instructions that anything else be released only after very conservative mastering and NO OVERDUBS BY ANYBODY!!, and things will be as good as they can be in the world of Prince fans given that he's not still alive. Regardless of that, my original point--Sheila doesn't need to be attacked no matter what her opinion on the matter--still stands.

EddieC said:

A couple of people have pointed to Prince's needing to work with Warner to release material recorded during his time with them--I get that, and that might account for some of it staying in the vault. He hadn't taken the opportunity to do anything since the deal with them a couple years ago, which at least theoretically suggested he was willing to work with them, and most reports suggested that there weren't going to be new songs on the reissues, but I don't know how the deal was structured. That doesn't account for the stuff recorded since the mid-90s (people report that he continued his constant recording ways) once he could have released stuff at a higher rate than he did. My belief is that he didn't want most of it released in any form, at any time. That doesn't stop me from having as much of it as I can on my drives, but I don't think he wanted me to have it before, and I don't think he would want me to have it now just because he died.

I don't know. Maybe he just didn't want to look back, but didn't mind if we did after he died--and maybe there's twenty albums ready to go, and clear instructions that anything else be released only after very conservative mastering and NO OVERDUBS BY ANYBODY!!, and things will be as good as they can be in the world of Prince fans given that he's not still alive. Regardless of that, my original point--Sheila doesn't need to be attacked no matter what her opinion on the matter--still stands.

Agreed!!

GirlBrother said:

I'm really unsure of when Prince and Sheila became friends again. I mean as of 2014, this is how it was... http://prince.org/msg/7/410388 And now she's front and centre. I'm not saying they didn't reconcile their friendship. I just don't know how or when.

she posted something about a year ago that was o her way to Minneapolis (when Prince was there) Ww believe this is when something happened

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

GirlBrother said:

I'm really unsure of when Prince and Sheila became friends again. I mean as of 2014, this is how it was... http://prince.org/msg/7/410388 And now she's front and centre. I'm not saying they didn't reconcile their friendship. I just don't know how or when.

she posted something about a year ago that was o her way to Minneapolis (when Prince was there) Ww believe this is when something happened

They were not friends when Prince died. Sheila has said in her interview on TV 'when we were friends'. That makes it clear they were NOT on good terms recently.

That being said she, like Andre are friends with Tyka and love Prince despite how he treated them. Same think with Lil Kim loving Notorious BIG who abused her.

Wendy and Lisa never stopped loving him, although he was horrible to them, ripped them off, witheld credit, demeaned their sexuality.

STOCKHOLM SYNDROME IS REAL.

keenly said: