Yes indeed. If your electrolytes get too low the heart can stop. I have had issues with my kidneys so I use electrolyte supplements to make sure my potassium does not drop too low. Our cells need them.
Prince could have had major nutritional defiencies such as anemia and low sodium in blood. He barely ate. [Edited 5/11/16 6:07am] | |
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cardinal said: Mkilpatrick74 said: I saw that show w Dr. drew. He seems to be speaking reasonably. I know that I can't sleep but like 2 or 3 hrz at a time and I spoke w my pain mgt Dr about it and she said she would never give me anything for it BC of my pain meds. Said she loves me too much and prefers I not die anytime soon. My heart hurts more and more with each report that comes out.đź’žđź’• and your dr is the exact kind of dr prince needed. dr drew said i think that same day that if a dr is giving a patient "special treatment"because of their fame, then they are getting crappy care. yes, it is getting sadder by the minute. and i fear it will just get worse. paul stanley tweeted out that when you have that kind of hip pain, the pain never ends (he had a double hip replacement to relieve his pain) and that we shouldn't be judging. (tears) Gosh, he is sooooo right. The pain is relentless. My mom is in excruciating pain BC she needs double hip replacement. It breaks my heart but she is terrified of surgery BC more often than not, the pain doesn't get much better. She also suffered a heart attack and drug induced kidney failure without warning. Guess what caused that??? The stupid Tylenol in her pain meds. My pain Dr flipped out after my last back surgery (#10) when surgeon had me on percocst instead of my usual straight oxycodone. She said be could have killed me BC my body built such a tolerance over the years and be thought he was helping me by giving me my higher dose but moving to percocet. Thank God I got back under her care within 6 weeks post op, she prob saved my life. None of the other overdoses have phased me but this..this has bit home. People need educated for sure. Prince wasn't an afdict, his body was tolerant and dependent and he just didn't want to hurt any longer. God, I know how that feels. So glad we have this forum to discuss. Love to u all! Keep talking about this, it could save a life and help more people be less judgemental towards those like Prince and myself who struggle with chronic, disabling BUT invisible pain. | |
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thinking of him in this kind of debilitating pain, and dying from an avoidable combo of meds just as he was actively seeking care for himself just rips my heart out. | |
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Mkilpatrick74 said: help more people be less judgemental towards those like Prince and myself who struggle with chronic, disabling BUT invisible pain. Thank you, ain't that the goddamn truth. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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Until the the results of the Autopsy we won't know but as I look at things that happened over the course of the last few years, and his change in look and seeing the aging and gaunt look in many photos I am seeing, I think Prince knew he was dieing, and I don't think the Hip Pain was the issue. Listening to doctors talk about "toxicology" and things like that, they already know the cause if it was "an OD" or "combination of drugs" heart disease heart attack etc... all of these things they would have know within 72 hours or even sooner. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Mkilpatrick74 said: cardinal said: and your dr is the exact kind of dr prince needed. dr drew said i think that same day that if a dr is giving a patient "special treatment"because of their fame, then they are getting crappy care. yes, it is getting sadder by the minute. and i fear it will just get worse. paul stanley tweeted out that when you have that kind of hip pain, the pain never ends (he had a double hip replacement to relieve his pain) and that we shouldn't be judging. (tears) Gosh, he is sooooo right. The pain is relentless. My mom is in excruciating pain BC she needs double hip replacement. It breaks my heart but she is terrified of surgery BC more often than not, the pain doesn't get much better. She also suffered a heart attack and drug induced kidney failure without warning. Guess what caused that??? The stupid Tylenol in her pain meds. My pain Dr flipped out after my last back surgery (#10) when surgeon had me on percocst instead of my usual straight oxycodone. She said be could have killed me BC my body built such a tolerance over the years and be thought he was helping me by giving me my higher dose but moving to percocet. Thank God I got back under her care within 6 weeks post op, she prob saved my life. None of the other overdoses have phased me but this..this has bit home. People need educated for sure. Prince wasn't an afdict, his body was tolerant and dependent and he just didn't want to hurt any longer. God, I know how that feels. So glad we have this forum to discuss. Love to u all! Keep talking about this, it could save a life and help more people be less judgemental towards those like Prince and myself who struggle with chronic, disabling BUT invisible pain. i always forget to appreciate how sensitive and nonjudgemental paul stanley is...it comes out at moments like this. he was saying if prince did not have the double hip repl. because of his religion lets not judge him because he was probably in constant pain every day. so sorry to hear about you and your mom's struggle with pain. healing vibes to both of you. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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https://youtu.be/ZeyEF6h_WtI Medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US. I would seriously like 2 kno the stats on this in the UK coz the last 6 yrs of my Mum's life they put her life on the line over & over...they got her in end. 57. They calk it a mistake. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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. I know, just hate using the word. But can adrenalin mixed with strong you know whats affect a dosage? My question is why, if Prince had a close scare on the flight taking medication would he continue to use medication without being under hospital care? "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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TMZ has just reported that so far the investigation has yielded the single doctor prescribing the pills and no aliases. That would mean that this downward spiral happened so quickly the DEA hadn't even been able to flag it in their every day prescription monitoring of the pharmacies.
So on what planet would he have cause to suddenly start chewing down so many at a time that he ODs not one but twice, the final time being fatal? [Edited 5/11/16 9:03am] [Edited 5/11/16 9:04am] | |
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One minute they want peace……
Then do everything to make it go away. | |
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headtripparade said: TMZ has just reported that so far the investigation has yielded the single doctor prescribing the pills and no aliases. That would mean that this downward spiral happened so quickly the DEA hadn't even been able to flag it in their every day prescription monitoring of the pharmacies.
So on what planet would he have cause to suddenly start chewing down so many at a time that he ODs not one but twice, the final time being fatal? [Edited 5/11/16 9:03am] [Edited 5/11/16 9:04am] There's no way he was able to get additional pain meds early if be used Walgreen's, no matter which pharmacy. The system catches it. If it's one day early they won't fill it, so I've never thought he was getting multiple scrips. Plus, it's been said he was in withdrawal. How did he get them? If this is even true. I hate speculating. Now, if a Dr increased his dosage of changes actual med type, he could then dill them early even if he had taken more than he should have. They consider it a whole new scrip at that point. [Edited 5/11/16 12:17pm] | |
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There was only one doctor and perhaps only a very recent spike in opiod use? How does that mesh with reaching out to the California addiction/pain specialist? | |
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TMZ Reports A doctor who treated Prince, wrote him prescriptions and was present at Paisley Park when the singer died has mysteriously left the medical center where he worked. Cops obtained a search warrant for North Memorial Medical Center where Dr. Michael Todd Schulernberg worked. The warrant asks for all medical records, documents, reports, charts, photos, prescriptions, doctor’s notes and medical notes for Prince Rogers Nelson. According to the warrant, cops interviewed Dr. Schulernberg, who acknowledged he treated Prince twice in April … the last time the day before he died. The doctor told cops he ran tests on the singer and he was at Paisley Park the day Prince died to drop off the test results. The doctor also told cops he prescribed medications for Prince, which were supposed to be filled at Walgreens. TMZ broke the story … Prince had gone to Walgreens 4 times in the week preceding his death. The warrant mentions the plane trip where Prince OD’d 6 days before his death. We broke the story about the emergency landing and that the drug was Percocet. We’ve learned Dr. Schulernberg has disappeared from the roster at North Memorial … he no longer works there. It’s unclear why.
What the heck is this? Wow!
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Sounds like he is "missing" from the roster of the hospital. TMZ is really shamless on how they use language to spin things. | |
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Doesn't this mean that whatever pain management medication he might have used was legit? The wooh is on the one! | |
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T M Z was celebratory when MJ died and i am getting the same vibe with their P coverage. It hadn't been a week and they were kinda moking P. The aids stuff came from a T M Z linked site. | |
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paulludvig said:
Doesn't this mean that whatever pain management medication he might have used was legit? To me it says everything was either on the level or he only so recently began abusing that there wasn't time for the DEA to catch the over-prescription. | |
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Were we expecting otherwise? RIP | |
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Some people certainly were. The wooh is on the one! | |
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paulludvig said:
Some people certainly were. Said that one right. Which pisses me off but anyhow.....he wasn't pharmacy shopping so the scrips had to be legit unless someone else got some and gave to him. Trust me, you dont have to be flagged in system BC it's so strict now. You can't fill till day 30 or whatever day scrip ends. The pharmacy catches it and that's no special flagging by DEA etc. Unless someone at pharmacy over rides. I have to schedule all travelling around fill due dates cause of the restrictions to not be allowed easrly fill and cant fill in another state (when I visit grandson in IL) [Edited 5/11/16 10:50am] | |
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cardinal said: Mkilpatrick74 said: Gosh, he is sooooo right. The pain is relentless. My mom is in excruciating pain BC she needs double hip replacement. It breaks my heart but she is terrified of surgery BC more often than not, the pain doesn't get much better. She also suffered a heart attack and drug induced kidney failure without warning. Guess what caused that??? The stupid Tylenol in her pain meds. My pain Dr flipped out after my last back surgery (#10) when surgeon had me on percocst instead of my usual straight oxycodone. She said be could have killed me BC my body built such a tolerance over the years and be thought he was helping me by giving me my higher dose but moving to percocet. Thank God I got back under her care within 6 weeks post op, she prob saved my life. None of the other overdoses have phased me but this..this has bit home. People need educated for sure. Prince wasn't an afdict, his body was tolerant and dependent and he just didn't want to hurt any longer. God, I know how that feels. So glad we have this forum to discuss. Love to u all! Keep talking about this, it could save a life and help more people be less judgemental towards those like Prince and myself who struggle with chronic, disabling BUT invisible pain. i always forget to appreciate how sensitive and nonjudgemental paul stanley is...it comes out at moments like this. he was saying if prince did not have the double hip repl. because of his religion lets not judge him because he was probably in constant pain every day. so sorry to hear about you and your mom's struggle with pain. healing vibes to both of you. That's so sweet of u, thank u. Not trying to gain sympathy just trying to share my personal experience in hopes to help everyone, including myself, get through all this and understand it. Hugggs!! | |
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paulludvig said:
Some people certainly were. so if the scripts were,legit, and i believe and hope they were, why last night the parade of federal agents to pillage his home? certainly the could have determined this already from dr and pharmacy records that he was taking meds prescribed to him. why the dog and pony show? i am so confused..l. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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Mkilpatrick74 said: headtripparade said: TMZ has just reported that so far the investigation has yielded the single doctor prescribing the pills and no aliases. That would mean that this downward spiral happened so quickly the DEA hadn't even been able to flag it in their every day prescription monitoring of the pharmacies. So on what planet would he have cause to suddenly start chewing down so many at a time that he ODs not one but twice, the final time being fatal? [Edited 5/11/16 9:03am] [Edited 5/11/16 9:04am] There's no way he was able to get additional pain meds early if be used Walgreen's, no matter which pharmacy. The system catches it. If it's one day early they won't fill it, so I've never thought he was getting multiple scrips. Plus, it's been said he was in withdrawal. How did he get them? If this is even true. I hate speculating. Now, if a Dr increased his dosage of changes actual med type, he could then dill them early even if he had taken more than he should have! I don't know, I just have a feeling they know wehat killd him. Who in this world finishes an autopsy, especially on a celebrity, in as little as FOUR HOURS??? An autopsy has a process which includes taking blood and tissue samples for analysis. Those are tested further. They also take detailed photographs. In addition, law enforcement reports, medical records and the decedent's social history are evaluated. The physical examination part of the autopsy (the four hour part) is just a part of the process. After the medical examiner evaluates all the info s/he seeks, a report is done summarizing the findings and the ME's opinion regarding cause of death. The final report may or may not be done by now. But if it is, it's certainly not being shared. It's interesting that a surprise search was conducted yesterday at Paisley Park. If in fact the DEA was behind it (who knows if that's true, but it seems likely), then it stands to reason that a significant drug crime is suspected. To me, that sounds like more than a "Dr shopping" type of drug seeking event. But whoever showed up certainly gave a dramatic show with the huge caravan of vehicles filing in all in a row. This is really getting crazy. | |
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Maybe the DEA departement wants to de SEEN doing a thorough job. Politics, you know. [Edited 5/11/16 10:59am] The wooh is on the one! | |
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Perhaps this was their theory all along, but they want to rule out the possibility of his receiving prescriptions from another source? Hence the extensive search? | |
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terrig said: thinking of him in this kind of debilitating pain, and dying from an avoidable combo of meds just as he was actively seeking care for himself just rips my heart out. I pray to God he felt nothing. I will love him no matter what as well. | |
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farnorth said:
Perhaps this was their theory all along, but they want to rule out the possibility of his receiving prescriptions from another source? Hence the extensive search? Is anyone else's head spinning along with mine? Lol ughhhhh!!! | |
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I thought the one doctor/no alias finding came about as a result of their search? | |
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Prince was scheduled to visit another doctor that morning. Andrew Kornfeld (the California Dr's son) was supposed take Prince to visit this other doctor to get him checked out. I think that other doctor was certified to administer the suboxone. | |
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Not sure that just because he didn't have aliases and that there weren't multiple doctors prescribing these meds means that they were in fact "legit". Not sure having (4) prescriptions filled ina week's time would classify as "legit". Think the investigation at this point is around the OVER PRESCRIBING of these medicines. And if that's the case, there'll be nothing "legit" about them IMO... | |
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