emesem said:

This is a must read article for all. Particularly those with a fear of the word "addict" JellyJam said:

So very sad. Cue endless ghoulish articles and character assassination. This in Slate is likely to be one of the rare voices of sanity: http://www.slate.com/arti...=503436061 Rest In Peace Brother.

From the article it seems like "dependence " is a better word to describe what Prince might have been dealing with.

Credible report that Prince reps had contacted an addiction specialist the day before his death. The doctor sent his son to evaluate Prince and it was this guy who made the 911 call.

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

babynoz said:

norsknurse said:

babynoz said:

It says that Andrew Kornfield is Dr. Kornfield's son. It doesn't say that his son is a doctor.

Andrew Kornfeld has BS in psychology and neuroscience. Not an MD. His father Howard is the MD.

That is exactly what I said. Y'all need to calm down and read.

Same thing. We cant just use the word "addict' when its someone we dont like and "chemical dependence" when its someone we do like (or more likely someone that looks like us).

Once addicted, this is no longer a choice or a question of willpower. Its a disease. Prince didnt take the pills to get high. Neither does a coke or heroin addict. Neither does a smoker. They do it because their bodies tell them they have to. Some described it to me that it was like really needing a drink of water. You dont do it for the flavor. You drink it cause your body knows you will die without it.

When its drugs, your body thinks it needs the drug. You barely even register you are doing it. Your body just goes through motions for you.

paulludvig said:

emesem said:

This is a must read article for all. Particularly those with a fear of the word "addict" JellyJam said:

From the article it seems like "dependence " is a better word to describe what Prince might have been dealing with.

rlj1965 said:

tmo1965 said:

Credible report that Prince reps had contacted an addiction specialist the day before his death. The doctor sent his son to evaluate Prince and it was this guy who made the 911 call.

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

Prince did NOT need an addiction specialist, someone to "help him kick his drug addiction". What Prince needed was a Pain Management Doctor - someone to help him deal with his incredible pain.

How many of you have needed a knee replacement, or a hip replacement? How many of you have broken a bone? It is probable that The Purple One needed a hip replacement, maybe even two...... and didn't want to/was afraid to go there because of his faith. Even though Prince had previously undergone "corrective" surgery, from what I have read, it wasn't enough to relieve the pain. Prince probably needed hip replacement(s).

When you have a joint that is bone on bone, where the cartilage/bone cushion has been destroyed to the point of being nonexistent, the pain is incredible. I mean: THE PAIN IS INCREDIBLE!!!!! My hip pain was so bad before my surgery, that after a day of walking around, I was screaming, until someone gave me some medicine. Prince knew he was to meet with this addiction specialist - someone who he was afraid of, someone who he thought would take his pain meds away from him.

Prince did NOT need an addiction specialist, someone who would take his pain medications away from him. >>>Prince needed a Pain Management Doctor.<<< I think Prince just panicked......

Prince NEVER should have been left alone... and he didn't get the help he really needed. You can blame his handlers for his death. Prince NEVER should have been left alone. But he was, and Prince made his choice. You need to respect him for that. Even though it is painful for us to let him go, we need to respect and accept his choice.

Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you.

[Edited 5/4/16 6:23am]

JellyJam said:

So very sad. Cue endless ghoulish articles and character assassination. This in Slate is likely to be one of the rare voices of sanity: http://www.slate.com/arti...=503436061 Rest In Peace Brother.

Thanks so much, very informative.




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"Unfortunately, it is sometimes forgotten that naloxone is effective for only 30 to 60 minutes after administration, while morphine and similar drugs act for much longer—thus depression of breathing, even to the point of death, may return if naloxone is not re-administered."

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well the startribune article posted up thread expalins the 911 call where the guy didnt know the address of paisely park, and the staff who were with him were in shock. so im starting to lean towards believing it all now.

but fck fck fck. it doesnt change my love - he ultimately was human and his transition means no more pain, no more stardom to maintain appearences for, and forever music and being with his son.
may he rest with the angels.

Why was he alone? How do you leave him alone?

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

irresistiblebitch666 said:

The article about the Pain Addiction Treatment and the doctor appointment seems plausible to me.

There is something that bothers me about the whole scenario, wothout trying to cast blame. And it didn't before this article. So, my thoughrts are based on the artucle being true. Was he scheduled for any other shows after April 15? I thought I had read he was on April 21 ??

Anyway..

The article indciated that this Dr. son flew a red-eye etc, and that that Prince was a 'medical emergency' type case, and that he was contacted the day before by those closest to Prince. OK. IF that is the case, I do have to wonder why those same ones closest did indeed allow him be alone, in this 'home strech, or beginning of new race'. I mean, he pulls all nighters half of the time anyway, so just stay up late with him until the DR arrived.

I was not looking in any handler, or friend diretion, for any blame. Sure, maybe he has 'yes' people around him, but if they are the ones who interceded to make the call to do an emergency rehab for him, indeed, he should have not been left alone even for those few hours.

However, if he was going to pass, still, I think Paisley was the ideal place for him to move on. Still so sad:(

[Edited 5/4/16 6:40am]

Suzanne said:

emesem said:

Prince was a control freak. He probably refused to accept he could not control what was happening to him, pain relief dependency wise. The dangerous combination between him believing he could handle it and wanting to remain as private as possible led to his demise. Personally, I just find it very sad that nobody had the balls to step in. There are ways, as long as you want it enough and are not concerned about loosing a job or his finantial support. Sorry if I sound harsh. Just finding it hard to deal with this idea.

Yes I'm sure if any of his employees tried to "tell him what to do", they would get fired pretty quickly. Of course they are out of job now, but they were hoping he would hang on a few hours longer and get treatment.

.

But this explains more why Van Jones was so upset and wishing he could have done more. If he was a close friend, he probably knew the details and got to be hard to deal with that you didn't somehow save him, even if it may not have been possible. I have an ex-gf who died of OD years after I last saw her and still wished I could have done something and would fantasize about me saving her, etc. But just didn't happen there either.

thx185 said:

My heart is broken from the help being just hours late. I'm grieving all over again. [Edited 5/4/16 6:43am]

Same, this news is unbearable, just hours too late ... so senseless, still can't believe nobody from his fucking innner circle of "friends" stayed with him or sent a nurse or whatever to keep an eye out after his life was saved already ONCE a few days before when he was given that save shot, if they could not stay with him at least some sort of emergency system should have been in place so all Prince had to do was push a button and help would be there in minutes, that way he could still be alone all he wanted but at least that safety net would have been there for when something bad would happen ... it seems a system like this was not set up for him, even though he was worth millions and oh ... the greatest most talented musician in the world. Senseless, I'm sure even if Prince suspected things would go bad, he thought he had more time here on earth ... who wants to die in a freakin elevator all by himself ... how can there be some satisfying closure to this mess, it's just so unbelievably sad

norsknurse said:

Suzanne said:

Why was he alone? How do you leave him alone?

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

I would have slept on the kitchen floor until the specialist arrived. I was angry before, but now I am livid.

I am really mad too, you do everything you can do and if you get fired so be it. at least you would be the one who did what was right, necessary and you wouldnt be an enabler.

FunkiestOne said:

JellyJam said:

So very sad. Cue endless ghoulish articles and character assassination.

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Yes this is going to tarnish Prince's legacy, but I suppose it doesn't matter. I mean it won't hurt it at all with us or people out there who are smart and care what the truth is, but people are going to get confused and think he was a drug addict popping pills to get high and feel good and doing cocaine and whatever else. .

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But whatever and the truth will be the truth and the rest can dissolve with his guitar underneath the sea..

This is tragic. He was seeking help for the problem, and hopefully people will take that into consideration before senselessly vilifying him.

not sure how this would tarnish prince's reputation. not after all the good things we've been reading
about prince and the enormous outpouring of genuine grief and respect for the man from most of the
media channels.

if anything it might spark up the debate about these painkillers again. it seems like heavy stuff and
something many people unwillingly become addicted to and then find that it's horrible to withdraw
from. from what i've been reading it's a nationwide pandemic.

i've been hearing about these painkillers for years and years over here in europe but i don't think we
have anything that strong or addictive that doctors just prescribe so easily. at least not that i've ever
heard about. all the stories about people getting hooked on painkillers i hear always come from the u.s.

so maybe a good thing that can come out of all this tragedy is that there will be some outrage toward
this system of prescribing such dangerous pills and the failure of helping people get off them easily.

no doubt it's a billion dollar industry and they've managed to just keep going without too much of a

hindrance. but prince's death might put it right back on the front pages and start a change somewhere.

antonb said:

It's very maddning knowing his death most likely , could have been avoided. Where was all these close friends? Even if someone is as stubborn as prince, there is always away around it. You think up an excuse to call or still be with them.

why would you even need an excuse? if he really was in such bad shape and considering what
happened just 6 days prior, i would have been like 'i'm staying, no matter what you say, there
will be help tomorrow, so i'm staying put tonight. if you need me i'll be in the lobby with a pot

of coffee and a crossword, i won't be in your hair, but i'll be here.'

if he'd said 'i'll fire you' or i'll kick you out or whatever i'd have said 'call the cops, i'll explain to
them why i'm here'. he might have been pissed off and very angry and fired me, but at least he
would not have been alone.

anyway, that's easy for me to say, i wasn't there and didn't work for him. his crew are people
just like us and no one willingly left prince alone to die, i'm sure. so we'll have to wait for the
rest of the story. but it's extremely sad to think help was on the way and he was alone those
last few crucial hours.

mailaccount63 said:

tmo1965 said:

Credible report that Prince reps had contacted an addiction specialist the day before his death. The doctor sent his son to evaluate Prince and it was this guy who made the 911 call.

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

Prince did NOT need an addiction specialist, someone to "help him kick his drug addiction". What Prince needed was a Pain Management Doctor - someone to help him deal with his incredible pain.

How many of you have needed a knee replacement, or a hip replacement? How many of you have broken a bone? It is probable that The Purple One needed a hip replacement, maybe even two...... and didn't want to/was afraid to go there because of his faith. Even though Prince had previously undergone "corrective" surgery, from what I have read, it wasn't enough to relieve the pain. Prince probably needed hip replacement(s).

When you have a joint that is bone on bone, where the cartilage/bone cushion has been destroyed to the point of being nonexistent, the pain is incredible. I mean: THE PAIN IS INCREDIBLE!!!!! My hip pain was so bad before my surgery, that after a day of walking around, I was screaming, until someone gave me some medicine. Prince knew he was to meet with this addiction specialist - someone who he was afraid of, someone who he thought would take his pain meds away from him.

Prince did NOT need an addiction specialist, someone who would take his pain medications away from him. >>>Prince needed a Pain Management Doctor.<<< I think Prince just panicked......

Prince NEVER should have been left alone... and he didn't get the help he really needed. You can blame his handlers for his death. Prince NEVER should have been left alone. But he was, and Prince made his choice. You need to respect him for that. Even though it is painful for us to let him go, we need to respect and accept his choice.

Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you.

[Edited 5/4/16 6:23am]

he was oast the point of pain managemet as obviusoly the drug killed hin which means he was depenedant and addicted

rightbluecheek said:

I wonder who these "representative" were. And at what time did they call? In the evening, when? Still missing information. I have a bad feeling about this...

More than likely this was an intervention. The reason I say that is because if Prince himself wanted the help he could have flown to California and gotten the help. But no, he left the hospital after only a couple of hours, continued to work, continued to throw parties, continued to ride his bicycle around Chanhassen. This seems more like someone close to Prince trying to get help for him, having the doctor (or initially his son) fly to Minnesota. This article really explains all of the questions I had, especially how could the person calling 911 not know where they were. Well, because they had never been there before and had JUST gotten into town!