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Thread started 04/09/16 4:01pm

masaba

Just listened to The Undertaker for the first time

I think it's fantastic. Very surprised by how good this is, and how little I've heard about it in spite of that. Love his guitar tone. Guns blazing on this one for sure. Dude is just awesome on the six string. Love these versions of Bambi and Dolphin. The long songs are, just really good. With most of the 90s releases I have some reservations but this one was completely satisfying beginning to end.

It might be the best thing he did in the era in my opinion.

I don't really know the details surrounding it, but I know there was something crazy going on with its release. And the way it seems like they just ran through it, it makes me really curious about all the jam sessions he has lying around. Like if in his prime he was recording stuff like this everyday, which would make sense with all the rehearsals, and jam sessions, and writing and whatnot.....there's probably more of this stuff hidden away then you could ever realistically listen to.

But it inspired me to make this playlist

Kamasutra overture

Zannalee prelude

Zannalee

The Undertaker

Dolphin

Calhoun Square

Electric Chair

Visions

The Ride

Empty Room

The Grand Progression

Power Fantastic

God (Love Theme) B-Side

Interlude from Dream Factory

All My Dreams

Just My Imagination from Small Club

Best playlist I've ever made. Cass wink

[Edited 4/9/16 16:01pm]

[Edited 4/9/16 16:01pm]

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Reply #1 posted 04/09/16 4:35pm

TrivialPursuit

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"Poor Goo" was always a favorite.

There's such an anger, and dismissive tone, in The Undertaker. Dismissive meaning, while in the depths of his fight with WB, he just didn't give a shit anymore. He was going to film, and record, and release whatever he wanted. Obviously a lot of it never got out officially. The Undertaker was meant to have 1000 copies to be released with Guitar Magazine in 1994(/5?). Copies were leaked anyway, and thereby bootlegged. Europe saw a laserdisc and VHS release of the whole thing.

There's some delicious joy I get in knowing that something WB tried to block got out anyway. I have to think that, somewhere in Prince's brain, he's happy it got out too. While he's not getting paid for it, in effect the music won over WB's restrictions on release dates, etc.

Even if he's not, I am. It's a favorite.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #2 posted 04/09/16 4:41pm

EvilAngel

masaba said:

I think it's fantastic. Very surprised by how good this is, and how little I've heard about it in spite of that. Love his guitar tone. Guns blazing on this one for sure. Dude is just awesome on the six string. Love these versions of Bambi and Dolphin. The long songs are, just really good. With most of the 90s releases I have some reservations but this one was completely satisfying beginning to end.

confuse

https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=undertaker+site:prince.org

Anyway, you're right...it's excellent. I still regret selling my original disc. disbelief

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Reply #3 posted 04/09/16 5:30pm

SPYZFAN1

The "New Power Trio"...I love "The Undertaker". The production is great and contains my favorite version of "Bambi".

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Reply #4 posted 04/09/16 6:07pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

"Poor Goo" was always a favorite.

There's such an anger, and dismissive tone, in The Undertaker. Dismissive meaning, while in the depths of his fight with WB, he just didn't give a shit anymore. He was going to film, and record, and release whatever he wanted. Obviously a lot of it never got out officially. The Undertaker was meant to have 1000 copies to be released with Guitar Magazine in 1994(/5?). Copies were leaked anyway, and thereby bootlegged. Europe saw a laserdisc and VHS release of the whole thing.

There's some delicious joy I get in knowing that something WB tried to block got out anyway. I have to think that, somewhere in Prince's brain, he's happy it got out too. While he's not getting paid for it, in effect the music won over WB's restrictions on release dates, etc.

Even if he's not, I am. It's a favorite.


i think the VHS was an official release, i mean, i got it from a highstreet recordstore. smile

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Reply #5 posted 04/09/16 7:06pm

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I really like this version of his song "The Undertaker" (as opposed to the Mavis Staples one)

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Reply #6 posted 04/09/16 7:21pm

purplepolitici
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Eons later n "here come the undertaker" n guitar dancing jig. Love that 1 tho. Good stuff yes.
For all time I am with you, you are with me.
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Reply #7 posted 04/10/16 1:09am

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IstenSzek said:


i think the VHS was an official release, i mean, i got it from a highstreet recordstore. smile

It was in Europe, I have it too. I think The Sacrifice of Victor VHS came out about the same time. I don't think they ever had an official release in the US.

RIP sad
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Reply #8 posted 04/10/16 4:43am

Connected

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The best "raw" Prince since Dirty Mind...

~Shakalaka!~..... ~Mayday!~
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Reply #9 posted 04/10/16 4:51am

thisisreece

Best Prince 'album' of the 90s.

Hundalasiliah!
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Reply #10 posted 04/10/16 7:41am

djThunderfunk

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At WB's insistence the official Guitar Magazine discs were rendered unplayable by coating the playable side in shelack. These unplayable discs circulated in the collector's market and some genius figured out it was possible to clean off the shelack. My copy was fixed by using Goo Gone to clean the shelack off. Plays great!!

One of my all-time favorite Prince projects and probably the one I've used the most to convert people to Prince fans. Works especially well on older rock fans. Coupled with the R&RHOF all-star jam, no one can deny the man's skills!

cool

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Reply #11 posted 04/10/16 10:48am

herb4

It's really good. It amkes a lot of non fans who think Prince is too pop turn their heads and reconsider.

Shame it didn't get wider release. Only think I hate is the choppy editing and shaky cam (along with the, as usual, stupid and goofy shoe horned "plot" elemetns) of the DVD/VHS. It can induce nausea.

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Reply #12 posted 04/10/16 2:31pm

paulludvig

djThunderfunk said:

At WB's insistence the official Guitar Magazine discs were rendered unplayable by coating the playable side in shelack. These unplayable discs circulated in the collector's market and some genius figured out it was possible to clean off the shelack. My copy was fixed by using Goo Gone to clean the shelack off. Plays great!!

One of my all-time favorite Prince projects and probably the one I've used the most to convert people to Prince fans. Works especially well on older rock fans. Coupled with the R&RHOF all-star jam, no one can deny the man's skills!

cool

Poor Goo!

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #13 posted 04/10/16 6:36pm

datdude

hmmm, i need to hear this in its original configuration. obviously certain songs saw life elsewhere but until this post i've never felt compelled. and if Bambi is better than the album version.... let me get to diggin unless... i've recently learned how to receive" blessings"... aHEM!

[Edited 4/10/16 18:37pm]

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Reply #14 posted 04/10/16 8:41pm

callimnate

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Why oh why did he cut Zanalee short!!!!??? mad
Kills me every time I listen to the UNdertaker.
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Reply #15 posted 04/10/16 9:57pm

Pellwormer

I also have both on VHS..Great colours, weird story about drugs, empty depressive scenes and this vomit part. .this killed me back in those years. .a great example for the feeling of the 90s. (sorry 4 my germish )
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Reply #16 posted 04/11/16 12:24am

BoraBora

djThunderfunk said:

At WB's insistence the official Guitar Magazine discs were rendered unplayable by coating the playable side in shelack. These unplayable discs circulated in the collector's market and some genius figured out it was possible to clean off the shelack. My copy was fixed by using Goo Gone to clean the shelack off. Plays great!!




I still have the coated original CD in my collection.

I never feel the need to make it playable as the full CD audio is available on the "Past Present & Future" SAB 2CD.

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Reply #17 posted 04/11/16 1:35am

dodger

TheEnglishGent said:



IstenSzek said:



i think the VHS was an official release, i mean, i got it from a highstreet recordstore. smile




It was in Europe, I have it too. I think The Sacrifice of Victor VHS came out about the same time. I don't think they ever had an official release in the US.



Yes same for me, I remember getting it from HMV. There was a lot of VHS releases around then - The Sacrifice Of Victor, 3 Chains O'Gold, The Hits Video Collection
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Reply #18 posted 04/11/16 5:02am

databank

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IstenSzek said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"Poor Goo" was always a favorite.

There's such an anger, and dismissive tone, in The Undertaker. Dismissive meaning, while in the depths of his fight with WB, he just didn't give a shit anymore. He was going to film, and record, and release whatever he wanted. Obviously a lot of it never got out officially. The Undertaker was meant to have 1000 copies to be released with Guitar Magazine in 1994(/5?). Copies were leaked anyway, and thereby bootlegged. Europe saw a laserdisc and VHS release of the whole thing.

There's some delicious joy I get in knowing that something WB tried to block got out anyway. I have to think that, somewhere in Prince's brain, he's happy it got out too. While he's not getting paid for it, in effect the music won over WB's restrictions on release dates, etc.

Even if he's not, I am. It's a favorite.


i think the VHS was an official release, i mean, i got it from a highstreet recordstore. smile

It was but there were two.

Apparently there was a limited VHS release in December 1993, mail order and/or NPG Stores only, which features the film exactly as on the CD (no edits, no Vanessa Marcil, original Dolphin) with a 36 mn length. It's now extremely rare despite a reported 1000 prints having been sold, so far only one person on the org has ever acknowledged owning a copy and I've never seen a picture of it.

Then there was the edited, more widespread 1995 release thru WB.

There is also a bootleg copy of the film in circulation, which is somewhere between the first and the second (credited to the Symbol not Prince, with V. Marcil AND the original Dolphin).

[Edited 4/11/16 5:03am]

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Reply #19 posted 04/11/16 6:34am

djThunderfunk

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paulludvig said:

djThunderfunk said:

At WB's insistence the official Guitar Magazine discs were rendered unplayable by coating the playable side in shelack. These unplayable discs circulated in the collector's market and some genius figured out it was possible to clean off the shelack. My copy was fixed by using Goo Gone to clean the shelack off. Plays great!!

One of my all-time favorite Prince projects and probably the one I've used the most to convert people to Prince fans. Works especially well on older rock fans. Coupled with the R&RHOF all-star jam, no one can deny the man's skills!

cool

Poor Goo!


lol

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Reply #20 posted 04/11/16 6:36am

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BoraBora said:

djThunderfunk said:

At WB's insistence the official Guitar Magazine discs were rendered unplayable by coating the playable side in shelack. These unplayable discs circulated in the collector's market and some genius figured out it was possible to clean off the shelack. My copy was fixed by using Goo Gone to clean the shelack off. Plays great!!




I still have the coated original CD in my collection.

I never feel the need to make it playable as the full CD audio is available on the "Past Present & Future" SAB 2CD.


It's worth alot if it's still shellacked and unplayable, but, it's priceless as a working playable disc.

Just sayin'... wink

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Reply #21 posted 04/11/16 1:10pm

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I have to say The Undertaker was the first time I was not a fan of his guitar tone, it sounds over processed, almost like a synth. Take any of his earlier guitar songs - I prefer that guitar tone over this. Also it's kind of a tease - there's only what - 6 songs or whatever. Considering it's so low budget - a guy holding a camera during a rehearsal - he could knock something like this out every day of the week. The idea is great - Prince at the Park bashing out some songs, covers, new tracks, old tracks. It could have been a lot more.
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Reply #22 posted 04/11/16 8:40pm

williamb610

Poor GOO! Da da da! Poor Goo-oo! Da da da!

Add wicked guitar...instant classic!

I still would like a CD of this ish!

Come on P, release the Undertaker!

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Reply #23 posted 04/11/16 8:52pm

FragileUnderto
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I remember back in the days when i got a complete copy

finaly.. not some crappy rip lol

Great album guitar

Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
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Reply #24 posted 04/12/16 6:04pm

luvsexy4all

r there more tracks recorded by the New Power Trio??? i believe they recorded the hendrix cover album...but what else?

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Reply #25 posted 04/12/16 9:04pm

williamb610

luvsexy4all said:

r there more tracks recorded by the New Power Trio??? i believe they recorded the hendrix cover album...but what else?

Hendrix cover album, hunh?

I'd love to hear that!!!!!!!

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Reply #26 posted 04/12/16 9:08pm

masaba

datdude said:

hmmm, i need to hear this in its original configuration. obviously certain songs saw life elsewhere but until this post i've never felt compelled. and if Bambi is better than the album version.... let me get to diggin unless... i've recently learned how to receive" blessings"... aHEM!

[Edited 4/10/16 18:37pm]

Don't quote me on this because I'm just guessing but it sounds to me like Calhoun Square and Zannalee from the Work It boots are from the same session. Same tone and everything.

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Reply #27 posted 04/13/16 5:07am

databank

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masaba said:

datdude said:

hmmm, i need to hear this in its original configuration. obviously certain songs saw life elsewhere but until this post i've never felt compelled. and if Bambi is better than the album version.... let me get to diggin unless... i've recently learned how to receive" blessings"... aHEM!

[Edited 4/10/16 18:37pm]

Don't quote me on this because I'm just guessing but it sounds to me like Calhoun Square and Zannalee from the Work It boots are from the same session. Same tone and everything.

According to Pvault CS was recorded the next day, and Zannallee is from May 1993, i.e. before the Undertaker version.

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Reply #28 posted 04/13/16 5:27pm

luvsexy4all

williamb610 said:

luvsexy4all said:

r there more tracks recorded by the New Power Trio??? i believe they recorded the hendrix cover album...but what else?

Hendrix cover album, hunh?

I'd love to hear that!!!!!!!

the habibi track is supposedly from that

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Reply #29 posted 04/13/16 5:46pm

CynthiaRose22

masaba said:

I think it's fantastic. Very surprised by how good this is, and how little I've heard about it in spite of that. Love his guitar tone. Guns blazing on this one for sure. Dude is just awesome on the six string. Love these versions of Bambi and Dolphin. The long songs are, just really good. With most of the 90s releases I have some reservations but this one was completely satisfying beginning to end.

It might be the best thing he did in the era in my opinion.

I don't really know the details surrounding it, but I know there was something crazy going on with its release. And the way it seems like they just ran through it, it makes me really curious about all the jam sessions he has lying around. Like if in his prime he was recording stuff like this everyday, which would make sense with all the rehearsals, and jam sessions, and writing and whatnot.....there's probably more of this stuff hidden away then you could ever realistically listen to.

But it inspired me to make this playlist

Kamasutra overture

Zannalee prelude

Zannalee

The Undertaker

Dolphin

Calhoun Square

Electric Chair

Visions

The Ride

Empty Room

The Grand Progression

Power Fantastic

God (Love Theme) B-Side

Interlude from Dream Factory

All My Dreams

Just My Imagination from Small Club

Best playlist I've ever made. Cass wink

[Edited 4/9/16 16:01pm]

[Edited 4/9/16 16:01pm]

YES I love this, Im looking forward to listening to it.

The idea that there is so much more unreleased music out there is insane.

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