I feel that Prince's acheivement of a better deal could potentially serve as a template in future dealings with more artists.

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He didn't get a better deal and neither did we: PR 30 didn't come out.

WB released a press release explicitly mentioning additional content
and no: I haven't read the contract, but I do not believe they would broadcast

untruths.

Germanegro said:

^^^

It's my impression that the notion of "goodies" (alt. takes, live recordings & such) added to a PR remaster was speculation from people on the outside toward what kind of deal WB had in mind for Prince. Unless WB reveals or someone can discover what they'd proposed to Prince, I can only imagine that the issue of remastered content (along with the release of Plec. Elec. & AOA) was an open subject and Prince sent them what he wanted them to have.

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If the Prince man offered a bare remastered disc (as we read here) then WB would see an item that is hard to sell.

One needs goodies to filll the disc or perhaps even a second disc.

If fans can dream up five or six disc, then why can't the Prince man deliver?

Is he stupid?

Can't he understand that if he doesn't release it now it will never be released?

Does he deem those things unreleasable? (which items and why?)

The delivery was not OK for WB.

The money can be worked out. The fact they didn't means that the offering was subpar in their opinion.

The Prince man should do a piano verison of 'it is all about the money dum dumdumwhatever' and explain the Youtube stance in detail so it makes sense.

The man should ban all youtube if that improves his profile somehow.

The man should negociate a fair deal if that improves his profile somehow.

So please, please explain.

"Where can we watch the Superbowl performance?"
"Paisley Park."

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Pentacle said:

He didn't get a better deal and neither did we: PR 30 didn't come out.

WB released a press release explicitly mentioning additional content
and no: I haven't read the contract, but I do not believe they would broadcast

untruths.

I hear you!

Cinny said:

udo said:

The Prince man should do a piano verison of 'it is all about the money dum dumdumwhatever' and explain the Youtube stance in detail so it makes sense.

The man should ban all youtube if that improves his profile somehow.

The man should negociate a fair deal if that improves his profile somehow.

So please, please explain.

Prince--please explain! --> -->

PurpleMedley122 said:

Cinny said:
"Where can we watch the Superbowl performance?"
"Paisley Park."

*goes and immediately gets tackled by security and thrown out* Good idea, Prince. I'll stick with the bootlegs...

You know? I wish I COULD just waltz into Paisley Park and check out whatever I wanted.

why is prince the villain in all this? Can you watch The Beatles' rooftop concert in full on youtube? Why doesn't anyone talk about that?

PurpleMedley122 said:

*goes and immediately gets tackled by security and thrown out* Good idea, Prince. I'll stick with the bootlegs...

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The video is somewhere on my harddrives.

Come over here to see..

Funkyalien said:

why is prince the villain in all this? Can you watch The Beatles' rooftop concert in full on youtube? Why doesn't anyone talk about that?

Why? Because we all want Prince. We all love Prince and we all hate Prince (I Hate U--The Gold Experience)!

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He's a phenomenon of the post-Beatles generation.

Ah, an epiphany! Prince wants to discourage or sabotoge any remastering project so that the bootlegers can carry his legend to stratospheric heights of popularity! Who the eff needs Youtube then?

That superbowl twitter remark was pure Prince deflection bullshit... :smh:

Bohemian67 said:

AnnaSantana said:

You're not clever.

Bootleggers have been around as long AS God...and they ain't going nowhere...suck on that....

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And this is why we are not going to get any stuff. You little

I've got plenty of stuff. You the one who doesn't have anything because you think being a good little Princebot is going to make Prince wise up and become a better businessperson. Newsflash: He isn't. Because an idiot is gonna idiot.

*Watches 1999 concert at the Met 1983*

Funkyalien said:

why is prince the villain in all this? Can you watch The Beatles' rooftop concert in full on youtube? Why doesn't anyone talk about that?

Stupid move from the pusblisher as well.

I work in web technologies, I know the business.

Google is moving Youtube towards a premium streaming paid service.
The primary target is content with 1080p as a standard and hi-fi sound quality.

One will be in a better position to negotiate when one's videos already score millions of views,
no matter since how long, when the day comes for Youtube to switch.

I think the best is to publish not as much as you can,
but the right content that makes you want to know the artist's repertoire better.

Then you hook your target with targeted ads at the end of the video.
In no time your Youtube channel gets followers, and then it's viral.

Intertwine this with online contests to win a pair of free concert tickets from time to time, and at least you have some decent online presence, not just tweets (and rants).

AnnaSantana said:

Bohemian67 said:

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And this is why we are not going to get any stuff. You little

I've got plenty of stuff. You the one who doesn't have anything because you think being a good little Princebot is going to make Prince wise up and become a better businessperson. Newsflash: He isn't. Because an idiot is gonna idiot.

*Watches 1999 concert at the Met 1983*

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Debate with name calling always says more about the person calling the names than the one they're putting down.

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I have no interest in his business dealings. Why would I? Who is he to me? I don't know him from a bar of soap. I did want to know why some of his stuff and other artists' was there and some not and that has been substantially indicated in this thread and others. It seems your interests are greater and more needy because you need to get everything that exists.

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I live in the moment so prefer the snippets of the last concerts a week ago than a 1999 concert from 1983 and will wait until the one who created whatever it is they have to give distributes with their consent. Seems fairer to me. I like fair.

[Edited 3/31/16 12:15pm]

Explains?

laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said:

Jesus Christ,why does everything have to be about money? Isn't Prince already worth over $300 million?

Because every should be compensated for their work. Do you work for free?

Prince is a multi-millionaire who has already been fully compensated for his work and he continues to make lots of money.Fans shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to find one of his old music videos.

udo said:

Bohemian67 said:

On Wiki under Bootleg the first topic is Crime.

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Intellectual property was invented only recently.

It only exists between your ears.

So if it is a crime is still debatable.

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You obviously don't work with lawyers Udo. They have an entirely different opinion and I trust those that know the law., not some freak statements on the org.

Pentacle said:

He didn't get a better deal and neither did we: PR 30 didn't come out.

WB released a press release explicitly mentioning additional content
and no: I haven't read the contract, but I do not believe they would broadcast

untruths.

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Corporates do it everyday come one!

-Enron

-KMPG

-PWC-

-Banks

-Lehman Brothers

-VW

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The list is endless.

Very good point.With him,everything is "money,money,money".Yes,he deserves to be paid for his work,but he's become obsessed with money these days.

babynoz said:

I'd hardly call that an explanation but I don't particularly care if Prince puts his stuff on youtube or not. There's a multitude of other music and entertainment out there.

However if he thinks that absolutely everything has to be monetized at all times then he's no different than the suits, bean-counters and gatekeepers that he endlessly rails against.

Bohemian67 said:

Pentacle said:

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Corporates do it everyday come one!

-Enron

-KMPG

-PWC-

-Banks

-Lehman Brothers

-VW

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The list is endless.

True dat, actually. The WB statement *could* have been a gamble to up the ante for the P-man to deliver the goods after such public exposure. If this is the accurate scenario, it sure didn't work as the P-man stuck to his guns. Ammo for a better deal? Come on, WB can deal better that that!

Germanegro said:

Bohemian67 said:

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Corporates do it everyday come one!

-Enron

-KMPG

-PWC-

-Banks

-Lehman Brothers

-VW

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The list is endless.

True dat, actually. The WB statement *could* have been a gamble to up the ante for the P-man to deliver the goods after such public exposure. If this is the accurate scenario, it sure didn't work as the P-man stuck to his guns. Ammo for a better deal? Come on, WB can deal better that that!

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EXACTLY!

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Honestly never put anything past these Corporates, it's all about the money for them and that's it. Crazy claim maybe, but I think they are the War of the Worlds Machines HG Wells wrote about. Currently sucking artists dry, countries and continents due to their uncontrolled desire to rule the world. Just think of TTIP (Not sure if that's what it is in English) Where Corporates can sue countries. Like Philip Morris suing Australian for their huge anti-smoking campaign on ciggerette packets. Ethics do not come into it. Hungry money grabbing shareholders who draw up policies.

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We need people who have the power to stand up to them. They won't be popular and they will be ridiculed and given a bad name but nothing in history came without sacrifice.

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Good for him for sticking to his guns. And he's still out there making music, making people happy and enjoying himself. While the Warner employees i.e. network (I'm sure of it) come here to stir the cauldron.

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They can but not without the taking action

And the revolution will not be televised

[Edited 3/31/16 12:44pm]

SoulAlive said:

Very good point.With him,everything is "money,money,money".Yes,he deserves to be paid for his work,but he's become obsessed with money these days.

babynoz said:

I'd hardly call that an explanation but I don't particularly care if Prince puts his stuff on youtube or not. There's a multitude of other music and entertainment out there.

However if he thinks that absolutely everything has to be monetized at all times then he's no different than the suits, bean-counters and gatekeepers that he endlessly rails against.

Allright. Just because of THIS ^^^

I have to post this from brother Sananda:

Yes, from Youtube--and he has his own channel!

SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said: Because every should be compensated for their work. Do you work for free?

Prince is a multi-millionaire who has already been fully compensated for his work and he continues to make lots of money.Fans shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to find one of his old music videos.

Funny that he DID use Youtube to promote Art Official Age which is something he had yet to earn his money back from.

Germanegro said:

SoulAlive said:

Very good point.With him,everything is "money,money,money".Yes,he deserves to be paid for his work,but he's become obsessed with money these days.

Allright. Just because of THIS ^^^

I have to post this from brother Sananda:

Yes, from Youtube--and he has his own channel!

Not sure what your point is but I hate Sanada.

babynoz said:

Germanegro said:

Allright. Just because of THIS ^^^

I have to post this from brother Sananda:

Yes, from Youtube--and he has his own channel!

Not sure what your point is but I hate Sanada.

U've listened to the lyrics? No? I guess you really don't like Sananda. 2 Bad! He's singing your song: It's aaalll about the MONEY!

people keep missing the point..HE DOESNT CARE about making THAT money...if he was starving who knows

Well we know that Prince is a quiet charitable donor, so some part of his surplus income goes toward community projects. Money can be the root of evil, but it is also a good tool to have if weilded with care. He believes in doing work and in self-determination, so I can respect his pursuit of money! You can't record music without paying the engineers and the manufacturers that capture and spread the magic. So if he weren't making money, his offerings to all of us would diminish. The people who say otherwise, "too much money for Prince is bad," are the jealous type.

Germanegro said:

babynoz said:

Not sure what your point is but I hate Sanada.

U've listened to the lyrics? No? I guess you really don't like Sananda. 2 Bad! He's singing your song: It's aaalll about the MONEY!

Except that ain't what I said. I said Prince sounds like the gatekeepers he's always criticizing if he thinks people should pay each and every time they look at him.

He still didn't explain nuthin either. The only people whining about his absence from YT is mugs on the org so I guess that's who he's talking to.

I'm listening to a lecture on YT right now....they have no shortage of interesting content.