EmmaMcG said:

laurarichardson said:

-///He is not using it to sell anything and he does have a few recents cuts officially on YouTube which appears to be Marketing purposes. No artist is getting rich off of YouTube views and the only people irritated are those that are two cheap to pay for music.

I know he's not using it to sell anything but from the sounds of it, he's looking for some sort of payment before adding classic music videos or live performances. I would wonder why he expects that. Why wouldn't he use Youtube as free advertisement for his albums, which unfortunately get little to no exposure these days.

I think there are a number of issues.

Firstly the very small amount artists tend to receive from these albums. Also money upfront is worth so much more than 'potential' money.

Secondly, putting a 1980's video on Youtube would not nessecarily result in more sales for an album from 2016.

Thirdly, he does use Youtube as a promotional tool for some albums as the links above show.

EmmaMcG said:

how long until Phase 3 is coming? i just want to hear more new music

alandail said:

Prince is missing the big picture. Youtube is advertising to grow his audience. The lost "fees" come back through album sales.

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Unless principle is more important to him than money and fame.

blacknote said:

^^^WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ON MASTER TAPES YOU CAN'T USE^^^

Heh--that's Prince, deputy to the Web Sherrif, looking out for you pirating his audio/video! Can't use those master tapes when WB is only wanting to pay "plantation" wages for their use; can't make much money off Youtube streaming, & YT promos can't sell what the record company don't have. So he's sippin' on his soda...

Germanegro said:

Heh--that's Prince, deputy to the Web Sherrif, looking out for you pirating his audio/video! Can't use those master tapes when WB is only wanting to pay "plantation" wages for their use; can't make much money off Youtube streaming, & YT promos can't sell what the record company don't have. So he's sippin' on his soda...

Damn....and I thought my middle class black ass had problems. Compared to P, I'm one of the lucky ones.

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blacknote said:

Prince is more than just an entertainer/product. He is also a career advocate, and his actions today are an act of career advocacy--not advertising for "Prince" the performer--whether any of us appreciate this aspect today or tomorrow, or not.
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The music revolution must be revived.

jayspud said:

A number of Prince DVD's are available. Also, whilst hardcore fans would love these, it isn't that likely to draw many new followers in. Prince does fine for money and also enjoys the control of his art.

There are only 'The Hits' & 'Diamond And Pearls' for videos, and if you go to amazon.com,

you'll see you have to buy these from another seller. So apparently these titles are deleted.

Showing the '80s videos would definitely draw new people in. Of course, when they next

buy any recent cds they're bound to ask themselves WTF happened??!!

But luckily this will be answered in the MEGA memoir.

I'd hardly call that an explanation but I don't particularly care if Prince puts his stuff on youtube or not. There's a multitude of other music and entertainment out there.

However if he thinks that absolutely everything has to be monetized at all times then he's no different than the suits, bean-counters and gatekeepers that he endlessly rails against.

Either way the sun will still rise tomorrow and youtube will operate with or without his permission or presence.

Pentacle said:

jayspud said:

A number of Prince DVD's are available. Also, whilst hardcore fans would love these, it isn't that likely to draw many new followers in. Prince does fine for money and also enjoys the control of his art.

There are only 'The Hits' & 'Diamond And Pearls' for videos, and if you go to amazon.com,

you'll see you have to buy these from another seller. So apparently these titles are deleted.

Showing the '80s videos would definitely draw new people in. Of course, when they next

buy any recent cds they're bound to ask themselves WTF happened??!!

But luckily this will be answered in the MEGA memoir.

In the UK we can get Sign/Alladin/Rave/Hits/Diamonds etc on DVD. As regarding Prince's work over the following years...that's a whole question in itself and quite a journey!

PurpleMedley122 said:

Jesus Christ. No sensible artist, I repeat, no sensible artist has views YouTube as a means of selling music or making money. YouTube has always been seen as a means of free advertising. He seriously thinks everyone should cut him a 100 million dollar check for the privilege of uploading his music. Beyond delusional and so far from reality....

I agree.He's already filthy rich.He should look at Youtube as simply a way to promote himself and to keep himself visible to the youngsters.For them,Youtube is the new MTV.But as I pointed out in the other thread,for Prince,there's more to it than money.He is always "against" things that he can't control.He can't control Youtube (or the Internet in general),so naturally,he's taking a stand against it.This is an all-too-familiar tactic for him,lol.

laurarichardson said:

No artist is getting rich off of YouTube views

Jesus Christ,why does everything have to be about money? Isn't Prince already worth over $300 million?

SoulAlive said:

PurpleMedley122 said:

Jesus Christ. No sensible artist, I repeat, no sensible artist has views YouTube as a means of selling music or making money. YouTube has always been seen as a means of free advertising. He seriously thinks everyone should cut him a 100 million dollar check for the privilege of uploading his music. Beyond delusional and so far from reality....

I agree.He's already filthy rich.He should look at Youtube as simply a way to promote himself and to keep himself visible to the youngsters.For them,Youtube is the new MTV.But as I pointed out in the other thread,for Prince,there's more to it than money.He is always "against" things that he can't control.He can't control Youtube (or the Internet in general),so naturally,he's taking a stand against it.This is an all-too-familiar tactic for him,lol.

If I had a dollar for everybody who asks me if he's still alive...I tell ya.

thedance said:

Prince is all about the money $$$$$$$$$$, this is what drives his career.

Now finally confirmed.

Beatles r doing the same thing....So r a lot of other acts...But u know, unlike that greedy ol' Prince, they r hailed as "smart" business people...

The irony is I do think P is making a mistake by not allowing more of his product on YouTube. I think he is missing out on the youth discovering his work...

But that doesn't translate to me thinking he's some greedy bastard....

It's his work.....

murph said:

thedance said:

Prince is all about the money $$$$$$$$$$, this is what drives his career.

Now finally confirmed.

Beatles r doing the same thing....So r a lot of other acts...But u know, unlike that greedy ol' Prince, they r hailed as "smart" business people...

The irony is I do think P is making a mistake by not allowing more of his product on YouTube. I think he is missing out on the youth discovering his work...

But that doesn't translate to me thinking he's some greedy bastard....

It's his work.....

Well you're talking to dance, who says he "needs" remasters or I guess he's gonna have a breakdown or something,

The thing is that he's a contrarian and the more they beg him and whine like puppies, the less they will ever get from him. How anybody can be around this long and not realize that is beyond me.

Add to that the fact that he knows people will come running as soon as he beckons and there you have it. Keep spreading your legs easily and widely and wonder why your lover don't call you in the morning?

thedance said:

Prince is all about the money $$$$$$$$$$, this is what drives his career.

Now finally confirmed.

his logic is...he wants to be paid what he's/his music is worth...that doesnt mean he's all about the money

Thriller has accumulated 330,000,000 views over the last 6 years. Modern artists get double or triple that.

When Doves Cry would get a fraction by comparison after the first month. Maybe he feels uneasy that young people might misunderstand the significance of his music?

GoldStandard said:

thedance said:

He who represents himself has a fool for a client.

funksterr said:

He who represents himself has a fool for a client.

... said the attorney to his reflection! *TA-Dum*

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But seriously, people need to represent themselves correctly.

Does he really need the money that bad?

UncleJam said:

Does he really need the money that bad?

No--do other, struggling, striving, hard-working musicians need the money that bad?

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Dude is working for a better setup for the SYSTEM.

alandail said:

Prince is missing the big picture. Youtube is advertising to grow his audience. The lost "fees" come back through album sales.

He has never been a smart businessman when it comes to promoting his music. Now is not the time for him to start. He is an older artist that does not know how to change with todays times. Its his decision and if he does not want young people to know his music thats his perogative. Thank goodness us diehards know how to get whatever we want through other channels so it really doesnt matter if its on youtube or not for us.

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EmmaMcG said:

GoldStandard said:

Thriller has accumulated 330,000,000 views over the last 6 years. Modern artists get double or triple that.

When Doves Cry would get a fraction by comparison after the first month. Maybe he feels uneasy that young people might misunderstand the significance of his music?

To be honest, I think that's probably part of the reason. A fear that his music won't get as many plays as the likes of Michael Jackson and co. I could understand him not wanting to see the artists he's compared with receive hundreds of millions of views and Purple Rain or something get only a fraction of that.

Prince started out as a one-man-wunderkind, then became a cult act, as the story goes. Purple Rain pushed him into front-and-center stardom, and I guess he has enjoyed that experience! Michael Jackson was a long-time member of the Mowtown label and their big, broad audience adored him and his bros.--he's been on top for like 4eva, and obviously remains highly popular. But Prince has a healthy respect for MJ, so I don't know if he's afriad to be "shown-up" by the King of Pop. I don't think that a fear factor of under-pacing views of MJ and co. is driving his reticence to place his product online.

trax said:

alandail said:

Prince is missing the big picture. Youtube is advertising to grow his audience. The lost "fees" come back through album sales.

He has never been a smart businessman when it comes to promoting his music. Now is not the time for him to start. He is an older artist that does not know how to change with todays times. Its his decision and if he does not want young people to know his music thats his perogative. Thank goodness us diehards know how to get whatever we want through other channels so it really doesnt matter if its on youtube or not for us.

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Nope--he's only had the drive to get out as much of his music as possible that he wants by any channel he can exploit, without suffering the censors of accountants and label executives, and maybe making a buck in the process, is what it looks like. He's been hitting a snag lately with the snafu that the Internet presents. Other striving music pros. can attest 2 that. And that other thing--the pirating thing--is for the insatiably needy, and the "theives in the temple."

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BobGeorge909 said:

thedance said:

Prince is all about the money $$$$$$$$$$, this is what drives his career.

Now finally confirmed.

I constantly hear Prince is all about the money...then i also constantly hear how Prince makes all these choices that cut his cash flow. Make up your minds people

He won't put his video on YouTube because they won't pay him enough, thereby actually LOSING money. Yes, he is shooting himself in the foot, because he is all about the money (and control). It's a paradox/Pyrrhic victory with only losers.

They're his songs, and therefore his right to govern how they're used.

I don't think enough people are aware that streaming sites such as YouTube and Spotify pay huge amounts of adrev money annually to labels. This isn't passed on to artists...or if you see an artist coming out in support of Spotify et al, you can bet that they're getting a sweetener from their label.

jjam said:

They're his songs, and therefore his right to govern how they're used.

I don't think enough people are aware that streaming sites such as YouTube and Spotify pay huge amounts of adrev money annually to labels. This isn't passed on to artists...or if you see an artist coming out in support of Spotify et al, you can bet that they're getting a sweetener from their label.

Then make the concert footage available to your fans, who ARE willing to pay for it.