U know, I haven't made love in so long
If The Kid Can't Make You Come was written by Prince under the pseudonym Jamie Starr, but was credited on the album to Morris Day. It was co-produced by Morris Day and Prince under the name The Starr Company. Prince plays most instruments on the track. Initial tracking took place on 16 April, 1983 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (two days after Chili Sauce (as Proposition #17), the day before Chocolate). While reflecting about the song's history on Facebook in 2014, Jesse Johnson stated:
"Morris who is a very, very gifted drummer went in sat down to play "Kid", but he kept speeding up Prince tried it, he kept speeding up too! So we got this brilliant idea, when looking back at it now it's funny the P and I thought this was a really good resolution. Morris out of the three of us was the only one that had a drink now and again, or let me put it clearer, Morris was the only one that knew how to drink. P & I were real amateurs, honestly ... Prince & I drank a glass of wine or my case a glass of WHINE! (ohh my head the room is spinning, I don't feel well, etc, etc) will I'm playing the DRUMS on "The Kid" and of course all guitars."
"The Kid" mentioned in the song's title is a deliberate reference to Prince's character "The Kid" in the Purple Rain movie, in which The Time appeared as The Kid's nemesis.
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If the kid can't make you come (7:33)
If the kid can't make you come (7:33) You like my crib, baby?
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Jerome Benton representing the Time on the Purple Rain tour
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My Love Belongs To You is an unreleased track recorded on 20 April 1983 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (the day after Velvet Kitty Cat). The track was recorded for possible use on The Time's third album Ice Cream Castle, but the song was not included on the release. -PrinceVault
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(64) INT. STAIRWELL, VANITY'S MOTEL -- MORNING
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(76) INT. REHEARSAL HALL -- DAY
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(83) EXT. CLUB/INT. MORRIS' CAR (1ST AVE. ST. BAR) -- NIGHT
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(84) INT. CLUB -- NIGHT
MORRIS
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(87) INT. HALLWAY -- NIGHT
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I can't be the only one here who sees the crew guy dip out of frame, in the background, once Morris takes a step forward, in this shot. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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lol I saw that too
It added to the mystery of that room lol | |
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Shooting of the Purple Rain film began in November 1983. The Time performed "Jungle Love" and "The Bird" in the film. They were recorded in 1983.
DisintegrationWhen it came to record The Time's third album, Ice Cream Castle, Prince's control was less firm than on previous albums with the group. This time, group members actually played on the record, and Morris Day and Jesse Johnson had a part in writing several songs. However, there were dissensions in the studio, and guitarist Jesse Johnson, who was strongly involved in the project, was disappointed in Prince's strong control over the group, "He only let me write and produce on the last Time album because he knew I was quitting, and when I quit anyway he took my production credit off. I wrote, played and produced stuff like 'Jungle Love.'" In April of 1984, after the album was completed, Morris Day left Minneapolis to settle down in Santa Monica, California. This was the beginning of the end for The Time. Jesse Johnson had already decided to leave the group and Morris was more interested in pursuing a solo career. Their departures weren't announced officially until after the premiere of Purple Rain.
Ice Cream Castle9 July 1984 saw the release of Ice Cream Castle . Four songs are listed by ASCAP as being written jointly by Prince, Morris Day and Jesse Johnson, "Ice Cream Castles," "If The Kid Can't Make You Come," "My Drawers," and "The Bird." Even though it's credited to Morris and Jesse on the sleeve, "Jungle Love" is listed as a Prince/Morris Day composition by ASCAP, while "Chili Sauce" is actually credited to St. Paul Peterson in collaboration with Prince and Morris. Prince's songwriting contributions are credited to Jamie Starr.
The album is the least satisfying of the three Time albums. It contains very little of the sting and zest of the two previous records. It's quite clear that Prince was beginning to spread his talents thin due to his writing of the albums with Sheila E and Apollonia 6 as well as material for his own use. Concerning black/white love, the opening "Ice Cream Castles," a swaying R&B groove, fails to match "Wild And Loose" or "Get It Up," the strong opening cuts on their previous albums. Yet it stands heads and shoulders over the next two songs, "My Drawers," a guitar-heavy "funk metal" rock number, and "Chili Sauce," a tedious ballad with violin and spoken lyrics used more to show off Morris' cool persona than showcase any interesting musical ideas.
Side two is better, opening with "Jungle Love," a solid funky R&B groove with infectious chants and synth hook, as well as frenzied guitar work by Jesse. Along with "The Bird," another fine R&B cut, which closes the album, "Jungle Love" is the closest the band gets to achieving its past glories. Sandwiched between "Jungle Love" and "The Bird" is "If The Kid Can't Make You Come," a ballad which sounds dreary, watered down, and at seven minutes, definitely outstays its welcome. The final Time track to appear for six years was "Tricky," the B-side of "Jungle Love." This song however is just Prince mimicking Morris' vocals. The remaining band members can be heard giggling in the background at Prince's digs at Morris, "When I look in the mirror, I see your ugly face, I just wanna run" and "It's time for you to retire, you old." The song finishes with the sound of a toilet flushing. Undoubtedly helped by Morris Day's charismatic appearance in Purple Rain, the album became the best selling Time album. It went gold and reached number three on the black album chart and number 24 on the pop chart.
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I feel the same way.What Time Is It? is an amazing Time album,but Ice Cream Castles lacks the fun,party vibe of that record.
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Velvet Kitty Cat is an unreleased track recorded on 19 April 1983 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (two days after Chocolate, the day after Prince fired Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis from The Time, the day before recording My Love Belongs To You). The track was long thought of to be recorded for possible use on The Time's third album Ice Cream Castle, but the song was not included on the release. It was however also considered for the Apollonia 6 album. It is possible that this track is an update of Mink Kitty Cat, but this is uncertain. -PrinceVault
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(96) EXT. BACK ALLEY, THE TASTE -- NIGHT
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Hold on, hold on, why y'all beatin' on shit, what's that mean? What time is it? Wawk!
America, have U heard? Wawk! Hallelujah! Whoa! Brothers, don't be cool
Wawk! Hallelujah! Whoa! Yes! just the sexy people America, have U heard?
Alright, when the horns blow, I want everybody on the floor U ain't got no excuse no more ellas, give me something 2 fly with Wawk!
The Wright brothers can't fuck with that I pledge allegiance 2 The Time Ha, ha, ha, ha! Hallelujah! Whoa! Fellas? (Yeah!) Wawk! {x2} It's the last call 4 alcohol Thank U | |
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The Bird" is a song from The Time's third album, Ice Cream Castle. The song was initially recorded in the studio in 1983 with all instruments by Prince, except guitar, which was performed by Jesse Johnson. This version was replaced by a live recording with the full band at the First Avenue on October 4, 1983. This is the first Time song to be released both live and featuring The Time as a band, rather than Prince.
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Hold on, hold on, why y'all beatin' on shit, what's that mean? America, have you heard? Whawk! Hallelujah! Whoa Brothers, don't be cool Whawk! Hallelujah! Whoa Yes, hold on now, this dance ain't for everybody America, have you heard? Whawk! Hallelujah! Whoa, come on Alright, when the horns blow Alright, brothers, keep up with that I pledge allegiance to the time Fellas? Yeah Fellas? Yeah America Chili sauce
PrinceVault: The Bird was the sixth and final track on The Time's third album Ice Cream Castle, and, in the Summer/Fall of 1984, The Bird was released as the album's second single. The Bird was written by Morris Day and Prince under the pseudonym Jamie Starr. While reflecting on the track's history on Facebook in 2014, Jesse Johnson wrote "I wrote a 4 track version on 1999 tour, Prince kinda like the hook, he threw the rest of what I did in the trash can as he commenced to write and performed a straight heater." Johnson's name was initially included in the credits when submitted for copyright in May 1984, but after he left the band, his name was removed from the credits when the track was released. It was co-produced by Morris Day and Prince under the name The Starr Company. The song also features in the movie Purple Rain.
Ice Cream Castle version
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(109) INT. BACKSTAGE -- NIGHT
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(124) INT. CLUB -- NIGHT
The MUSIC segues into a fierce BEAT.
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June 4, 1984 the Glamorous Life w/Sheila E. drops June 25, 1984 Purple Rain w/Prince & the Revolution drops
Purple Rain movie premiere 7.29.1984
July 9th, 1984 Ice Cream Castles w/Morris Day & the Time drops
July 26. 1984 Mann's Chinese Theater Hollywood 6925 Hollywood Blvd. MTV Live! Purple Rain Party Movie Premiere performance by Sheila E. | |
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Old Friends..Thanks for posting these "P.R." movie premiere pics! Brings back a lot of cool memories from that summer. | |
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I always wondered about this scene, and why he stayed behind. Was it guilt over the 'How's the family' remark that he truly felt bad about?
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