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He continued "Foster Sylvers was sitting next to me ... with Peggy M. as I laid the solo. I didn't put much into it because I knew from how LOW the volume was on my solo on "My Drawers" i[t] wasn't really going to get heard very well anyway. (Unless you laid on the speakers)." Since My Drawers was recorded in January, 1984, it seems likely his solo was recorded around the same time. Jesse Johnson was initially included in the credits when submitted for copyright in May, 1984, but after he left the band, his name was removed from the credits when the track was released.
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Seems so, but I think it was the tight control, that stopped them from expanding.
When I listen to Jesse Johnsons music and what Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis did with Janet and others, not to mention Jellybean Johnson's Black Cat etc Prince had a powerhouse there. After the 2nd album he should have opened the creativity gates for them to do more. Musicians are only going so far in not being able to 'create'
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I noticed too all the bras laying around lol
I've thought the same, who are in the photos, are they Vanity 6, the Time, Jill Jones, the Revolution etc or just random photos of people they had and used.
I think it is stuff like this(absent from Graffiti Bridge -present in UTCM) that help give Purple Rain depth and background story. I wish the album and what we see of Morris Day & the Time had a more cohesive flow It's just blurry enough that I don't recognize anyone. What? | |
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Here's a way that Ice Cream Castles could have been a better album....
SIDE ONE--- Ice Cream Castles My Drawers Do Yourself A Favor
SIDE 2---- Jungle Love Chocolate The Bird
***Prince recorded the song "Do Yourself A Favor" in 1982 and according to Jesse,he wanted it to appear on a Time album.It's a great song that would have worked well on Ice Cream Castles.I removed the filler track "Chili Sauce" to make room for it.
***Also recorded in 1982 by Prince,"Chocolate" is a fun,infectious song.On Pandemonium,it sounds really dated.I think it would have worked much better on Ice Cream Castles.To make room for it,I removed the ridiculous "If The Kid Can't Make You Come".The only thing is,the album wouldn't have had a slow jam at all! LOL | |
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Hard to help this album.
I was thinking Chocolate would have been a tasty B side for Ice Cream Castles
This album feels like it is full of Bsides -songs that would be a continuation/response of the A side
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"This album feels like it is full of Bsides"...............I agree. I don't think it's aged that well either...Give me the first two Time records any day. | |
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(10) EXT. MORRIS' APARTMENT -- NIGHT
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(15) EXT. CLUB (1st AVE. ST. BAR) -- NIGHT
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(16) INT. CLUB (1st AVE. ST. BAR) -- NIGHT
Jerome makes his way through the crowd,
He breaks off from the Girls, follows
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the Original 4 Jerome Jesse Morris Jellybean
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There were tentative plans for The Time to go on their first headlining tour in the fall of '84,with Apollonia 6 as their opening act.Unfortunately,Morris and Jesse left the band and those plans were cancelled. | |
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Jungle love (5:33)
Oh-wee-oh-wee-oh!
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Initial tracking took place on 26 March, 1983 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (the day before My Summertime Thang and Cloreen Baconskin). While reflecting on the track's history on Facebook in 2014, Jesse Johnson wrote "Jungle Love- Saved my food $ the 1999 Tour came home bought a Tascam reel to reel 8 track recorder and came up with music for JUNGLE! Prince [wrote?] every word+melody and kilted it." He later added, "I used Prince's Hohner Tele to play the rhythm guitar part ... Did the solo at a later date in LA @ Sunset Sound using the Pink G&L prototype + my fawn colored 1979 Marshall JCM 800," indicating that a second recording date took place.
Jesse Johnson was initially included in the credits when submitted for copyright in May, 1984, but after he left the band, his name was removed from the credits when the track was released.
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the alternative fantasy 3rd album by the Time (1984) Traffic Jam Cold Coffee & Cocaine A Million Miles (Morris Day / Brenda Bennett duet)
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BACKSTAGE
MORRIS meanwhile is beside himself.
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this must have been a bittersweet period for what was left of The Time. . as a GROUP, they had as much talent as prince did (by himself. clearly, prince's focus & multi-dimensional creativity allowed him to not only create brilliant music for himself, but great music for others). . sometimes I wonder how things might have been different had Jam & Lewis NOT gotten snowed in in Atlanta. how long would the original members of The Time stayed together.. knowing how talented they all were - individually & as a group? . it's been well documented that during this time - 82-84 more specifically - prince was genuinely concered - even outright worried? - that he had created a monster in The Time. the only thing left for him to do was to break up the group. firing Jam & Lewis diluted the group significantly in every way. I would even say that by firing these 2, this was the beginning of prince removing any (musical) equals to him.. which eventually - after Wendy & Lisa were gone, for sure - diluted the quality of prince's own music. . back then (& even now) - it's hard to imagine that Morris was high on drugs through most or all of the filming. just watching him on screen, you'd only think he was acting his "usual cool self". what Jedi mind trick(s) it must have taken for him to drag himself to the set each day. probably the idea of "I'm about to get away from this dominating & insecure little man & GO SOLO" was the only thing that kept Morris going. from o-d-ing on all the drugs he apparently was on at that time. . think about Jesse during "purple rain". you can say you like prince's look or his style or the way he plays guitar "better than Jesse".. but you can't deny - with an honest face, anyway - that musicianship & talent-wise, Jesse was prince's equal. in every category. I can definitely believe that Jesse wasn't going to stick around for an EVEN MORE DILUTED version of "the time".. that would have had Paul Peterson fronting that band. . The Time should have become as popular as prince did during that purple rain era. with the band all but disintegrated at that point, however, this was not going to happen. . too bad. I'll see you tonight..
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It was bittersweet 4 me as well, I wonder if what Prince did was a subconsious way of him dealing with the anxiety of this push for success. Sabatoging his work. I mean I think what Purple Rain would have been like if Vanity was actually in the movie and the real Time band was there... All that happened during the Controversy-1999 years between the 3 groups success, there is no way the movie would have had a different level of energy to it. When I listen to the Vanity 6 version of Sex Shooter...
Prince had no reason to be 'afraid' of the Time, they obviously believed in Prince's vision and were willing to work under him and for him, to take it further.
I wonder was it a coincidence that the person filming rested on these 4 for a while, the last 4 of the original line up
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On 8th June 1984, THE TIME, led by [Jesse Johnson], performed Jungle love live on the 3rd annual Minnesota Black Music Awards at the Prom Center in St. Paul. [Morris Day] wasn't present at this event and his conspicuous absence sparked rumors, that THE TIME had broken up.
Jesse [Johnson, former guitarist for the Time] is the only one who went away who told what happened, what really went down with the band. He said there was friction, because he was in a situation that didn't quite suit him. Jesse wanted to be in front all the time. And I just don't think God puts everybody in that particular bag. And sometimes I was blunt enough to say that to people: "I don't think you should be in the frontman. I think Morris should."
ROLLING STONE (1985)
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VALID points, oldfr.. . the energy (the confidence?) that would have been there.. with Vanity in that film?? with Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis?? prince would have been even more motivated - I'm inclined to believe - knowing that the whole, original group of The Time was still right there. to keep prince on his "A+ game".. I'll see you tonight..
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The Time becomes a threatOn 11 November 1982, The Time left to tour with Prince as support on the 1999 tour. Dubbed the "Triple Threat tour," the tour also featured Vanity 6. The Time also functioned as Vanity 6's backing group, playing behind a stage curtain. Jerome Benton was added to The Time line-up as a dancer and Morris' valet on stage.
If Vanity 6's short opening set seemed somewhat silly, The Time's tight dance grooves, high-spirited stage moves and routines made them an exciting live band and they were usually very well received.
On a day off from the tour, in December 1982, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis went to Atlanta for a session with the SOS Band. They had been writing and producing material for other groups, including Klymaxx and the SOS Band. However, when they were going to fly back, they were snowed in at the airport and failed to make it back to a concert in San Antonio. For the show, Jerome Benton, who appeared as Morris Day's valet in The Time's act, strapped on a bass guitar and pretended to play the instrument while Prince stood in the shadows playing Terry Lewis' bass lines. Jill Jones stood in for Jimmy Jam.
Jimmy and Terry fulfilled their 1999 tour commitments, but things between them and Prince were never the same, and they were fired from The Time after the tour. Jimmy doesn't attribute it only to their non-attendance, "Prince didn't want to break the group up, but the snowstorm provided the excuse he needed to fire us two. He thought we were off seeing some girls. Then he saw our picture in Billboard or something with the SOS Band, and all that changed. Seems like it was OK to be off seeing girls, but not OK to be furthering your own career."
The 1999 tour continued after a one-month break in January of 1983. On the 1983 tour, The Time were sometimes demoted from the bill. No official reasons were given for their occasional exclusion, but it's quite likely that Prince didn't want to risk being upstaged in some of the major cities. For example, at the shows in Los Angeles and New York in March 1983, the bill was just Vanity 6 and Prince.
Without a doubt, The Time's unpretentious music and light-hearted show contrasted with Prince's more ambitious and elabo rate theatrics. Morris Day thinks The Time were becoming a threat to Prince, adding that The Time's success caught many by surprise, "I think the whole thing was never expected to be anything more than an opening act. There used to be some arguments before going onstage about things that I would do that were conflicting with the things that Prince would do. I was told not to do certain things, certain dances." | |
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Sometimes when I read these stories of P and his proteges, it reminds me of that old movie "The Idolmaker"..(GREAT film btw)....I don't think The Time would have stayed together much longer (even if Jimmy and Terry remained). Too many egos in that group and Jesse (from interviews I've read back then) never seemed happy about his place in the group. But P created the 7 headed monster and they were kicking his tail every night opening for him. | |
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If The Time had stayed together and remained in the Prince camp,it's likely that they would gotten all or some of the tracks that appeared on the Mazarati debut album.One song in particular,"She's Just That Kinda Lady",sounds like a Time song. | |
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Prince didn't write those songs though, maybe contributed musically here or there, but that is mostly BrownMark David Z & Mazarati.
One of the tracks, 100 MPH was written and recorded by Prince. He also re-wrote Brown Mark's lyrics for two other songs, Strawberry Lover and I Guess It's All Over. The rest of the songs were written solely by Brown Mark with no input by Prince
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I can see what their look might have been like (and Vanity 6) during the Parade era Jesse Johnson 85/86 look might have evolved the same
I would have been wonderful to hear a Parade era Time album
I think there are a lot of 1984/85 outtakes that would have been available for the Time. And possibly if they were still around, that Prince might have been opened to them creating a few of their own songs too.
I can see them doing GO, SEXUAL SUICIDE, WITNESS 4 the PROSECUTION, WE CAN FUNK, CAN't STOP THIS FEELING I GOT, GIRL O' MY DREAM, SPLASH
MOVIE STAR:The Crystal Ball liner notes state that the song was written for The Time, although the band was no longer together at the time Prince recorded the track, and it is unknown if the song was considered for the band when Prince and Morris Day began work on the Corporate World album in 1989. The version released on Crystal Ball contains an opening which samples Jam Of The Year in the background of a party scene. | |
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Really? I always assumed that Prince played a much larger role on that record.He is credited for writing "100 MPH".but I thought he may have also written most of the other songs too.
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I assumed so too, I think it was Databank that schooled me on Mazarati
Another reason why what Prince had in his camp during that 1982-1986 period could have built his musical kingdom. The people knew his sound his vibe his poetic lyrical expression
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It sounds to me like David z was the main player on the mazarati album .If you compare it to brownmarks album it is a far better production it just sounds more sophisticated. I bought the Mazarati album when it was released in March 86 and although I sold or my vinyl in90 and never heard it again for say 20 years it took that long to here the bit of cool in 100mph [Edited 3/25/16 13:00pm] | |
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