tomds said:

his recent music doesn't suck at all. apart from some songs, there are enough good songs on any album he did in the last 15 years (apart from Planet Earth).

Yes, it does, and it's funny because Planet Earth actually has 2 decent songs on it (All The Midnights* & Lion Of Judah)

* shame about the scalliwags, Prince must be a big fan of Pirates of the Carribean

blackbob said:

Sales isnt the be all...never has been with him...i am just making the point that prince can sell plenty of albums....if he does it properly....as he did on musicology...cd sales are declining in general....prince is lucky to have been at his peak during the peak years for album sales....now artists must make their money with touring....huge sales....adele and a few others aside....are a thing of the past... .

Yes, but Musicology was a trick wasn't it...?

funksterr said:

Everybody that works for him is a specialist/professional at what they do.

I'd be happy if that'd be true. But we haven't seen a professionally designed album artwork in more than a decade. Most of his bootlegs have much better artworks than the official albums. Prince often hires people who are not professionals.

motherfunka said:

warning2all said:

motherfunka said:

Comment deleted - langebleu - moderator

Comment deleted - langebleu - moderator I think it is a fan that lives in Minnesota.

^but is it legit? Any news on it from PP?

ludwig said:

funksterr said:

Everybody that works for him is a specialist/professional at what they do.

I'd be happy if that'd be true. But we haven't seen a professionally designed album artwork in more than a decade. Most of his bootlegs have much better artworks than the official albums. Prince often hires people who are not professionals.

Are you referring to the covers or the inner notes etc?

The last two album covers were definitely produced by a professional.

?????????? so i still can't buy the CD , what you playing at Prince. Amazon Mr Nelson.

blackbob said:

RIAA certifications (year of certification) = shipments Soundscan sales since 1991 = retail (data from January 2006 except where indicated) (courtesy of Hanboo and Keith Caulfield) Albums released before Soundscan-Era 1978 - FOR YOU - NOT CERTIFIED - 88,000 1979 - PRINCE - 1,000,000 - (1980) - 183,000 1980 - DIRTY MIND - 500,000 - (1984) - 125,000 1981 - CONTROVERSY - 1,000,000 - (1985) - 200,000 1982 - 1999 - 4,000,000 - (1999) - 641,000 1984 - PURPLE RAIN - 13,000,000 - (1996) - 2,548,000 (September 2009) 1985 - AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY - 2,000,000 - (1985) - 162,000 1986 - PARADE - 1,000,000 - (1986) - 230,000 1987 - SIGN OF THE TIMES (2xCD) - 1,000,000 - (1987) - 271,000 1988 - LOVESEXY - 500,000 - (1988) - 68,000 1989 - BATMAN - 2,000,000 - (1989) - 111,000 1990 - GRAFFITI BRIDGE - 500,000 - (1990) - 145,000 Albums released in the Soundscan-Era (Studio albums) 1991 - DIAMONDS & PEARLS - 2,000,000 - (1992) - 2,462,000 (September 2009) 1992 - SYMBOL - 1,000,000 - (1992) - 1,080,000 (September 2009) 1994 - COME - 500,000 - (1994) - 310,000 1994 - THE BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE (EP) - NOT CERTIFIED - 210,000 1994 - THE BLACK ALBUM - NOT CERTIFIED - 261,000 1995 - THE GOLD EXPERIENCE - 500,000 - (1995) - 492,000 1996 - CHAOS & DISORDER - NOT CERTIFIED - 131,000 1996 - EMANCIPATION (3xCD) - 667,000 - (1995) - 628,000 1998 - NEWPOWER SOUL - NOT CERTIFIED - 214,000 1999 - RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC - 500,000 - (1999) - 487,000 2001 - THE RAINBOW CHILDREN - NOT CERTIFIED - 158,000 2003 - N.E.W.S. - NOT CERTIFIED - 30,000 2004 - MUSICOLOGY - 1,000,000 - 827,000 (retail sales only, full sales are 2,047,000 as Sep/2009) 2006 - 3121 - 500,000 - (2006) - 524,000 (Jul 2007) 2007 - PLANET EARTH - NOT CERTIFIED - 222,000 Albums released in the Soundscan-Era (Compilation albums) 1993 - THE HITS/THE B-SIDES (3xCD) - 334,000 - (1993) - 630,000 1993 - THE HITS 1 - 1,000,000 - (1995) - 1,433,000 (September 2009) 1993 - THE HITS 2 - 1,000,000 - (1995) - 1,715,000 (September 2009) 1998 - CRYSTAL BALL (4xCD) - Not certified - 113,000 1999 - THE VAULT - Not certified - 113,000 2001 - THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE - 1,000,000 - (2004) - 1,618,000 (September 2009) 2006 - ULTIMATE PRINCE - NOT CERTIFIED - 87,000 (February 2007)

... who cares how much he sold or didn't sell... the only thing that matters is PHASE 1 sold so poorly no one wanted to distribute PHASE 2 on a major scale.

blackbob said:

RIAA certifications (year of certification) = shipments Soundscan sales since 1991 = retail (data from January 2006 except where indicated) (courtesy of Hanboo and Keith Caulfield) Albums released before Soundscan-Era 1978 - FOR YOU - NOT CERTIFIED - 88,000 1979 - PRINCE - 1,000,000 - (1980) - 183,000 1980 - DIRTY MIND - 500,000 - (1984) - 125,000 1981 - CONTROVERSY - 1,000,000 - (1985) - 200,000 1982 - 1999 - 4,000,000 - (1999) - 641,000 1984 - PURPLE RAIN - 13,000,000 - (1996) - 2,548,000 (September 2009) 1985 - AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY - 2,000,000 - (1985) - 162,000 1986 - PARADE - 1,000,000 - (1986) - 230,000 1987 - SIGN OF THE TIMES (2xCD) - 1,000,000 - (1987) - 271,000 1988 - LOVESEXY - 500,000 - (1988) - 68,000 1989 - BATMAN - 2,000,000 - (1989) - 111,000 1990 - GRAFFITI BRIDGE - 500,000 - (1990) - 145,000 Albums released in the Soundscan-Era (Studio albums) 1991 - DIAMONDS & PEARLS - 2,000,000 - (1992) - 2,462,000 (September 2009) 1992 - SYMBOL - 1,000,000 - (1992) - 1,080,000 (September 2009) 1994 - COME - 500,000 - (1994) - 310,000 1994 - THE BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE (EP) - NOT CERTIFIED - 210,000 1994 - THE BLACK ALBUM - NOT CERTIFIED - 261,000 1995 - THE GOLD EXPERIENCE - 500,000 - (1995) - 492,000 1996 - CHAOS & DISORDER - NOT CERTIFIED - 131,000 1996 - EMANCIPATION (3xCD) - 667,000 - (1995) - 628,000 1998 - NEWPOWER SOUL - NOT CERTIFIED - 214,000 1999 - RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC - 500,000 - (1999) - 487,000 2001 - THE RAINBOW CHILDREN - NOT CERTIFIED - 158,000 2003 - N.E.W.S. - NOT CERTIFIED - 30,000 2004 - MUSICOLOGY - 1,000,000 - 827,000 (retail sales only, full sales are 2,047,000 as Sep/2009) 2006 - 3121 - 500,000 - (2006) - 524,000 (Jul 2007) 2007 - PLANET EARTH - NOT CERTIFIED - 222,000 Albums released in the Soundscan-Era (Compilation albums) 1993 - THE HITS/THE B-SIDES (3xCD) - 334,000 - (1993) - 630,000 1993 - THE HITS 1 - 1,000,000 - (1995) - 1,433,000 (September 2009) 1993 - THE HITS 2 - 1,000,000 - (1995) - 1,715,000 (September 2009) 1998 - CRYSTAL BALL (4xCD) - Not certified - 113,000 1999 - THE VAULT - Not certified - 113,000 2001 - THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE - 1,000,000 - (2004) - 1,618,000 (September 2009) 2006 - ULTIMATE PRINCE - NOT CERTIFIED - 87,000 (February 2007)

Interesting figures. I wonder if they included the free Planet Earth Cd's given away at concerts, I have quite a few!

feeluupp said:

blackbob said:

RIAA certifications (year of certification) = shipments Soundscan sales since 1991 = retail (data from January 2006 except where indicated) (courtesy of Hanboo and Keith Caulfield) Albums released before Soundscan-Era 1978 - FOR YOU - NOT CERTIFIED - 88,000 1979 - PRINCE - 1,000,000 - (1980) - 183,000 1980 - DIRTY MIND - 500,000 - (1984) - 125,000 1981 - CONTROVERSY - 1,000,000 - (1985) - 200,000 1982 - 1999 - 4,000,000 - (1999) - 641,000 1984 - PURPLE RAIN - 13,000,000 - (1996) - 2,548,000 (September 2009) 1985 - AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY - 2,000,000 - (1985) - 162,000 1986 - PARADE - 1,000,000 - (1986) - 230,000 1987 - SIGN OF THE TIMES (2xCD) - 1,000,000 - (1987) - 271,000 1988 - LOVESEXY - 500,000 - (1988) - 68,000 1989 - BATMAN - 2,000,000 - (1989) - 111,000 1990 - GRAFFITI BRIDGE - 500,000 - (1990) - 145,000 Albums released in the Soundscan-Era (Studio albums) 1991 - DIAMONDS & PEARLS - 2,000,000 - (1992) - 2,462,000 (September 2009) 1992 - SYMBOL - 1,000,000 - (1992) - 1,080,000 (September 2009) 1994 - COME - 500,000 - (1994) - 310,000 1994 - THE BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE (EP) - NOT CERTIFIED - 210,000 1994 - THE BLACK ALBUM - NOT CERTIFIED - 261,000 1995 - THE GOLD EXPERIENCE - 500,000 - (1995) - 492,000 1996 - CHAOS & DISORDER - NOT CERTIFIED - 131,000 1996 - EMANCIPATION (3xCD) - 667,000 - (1995) - 628,000 1998 - NEWPOWER SOUL - NOT CERTIFIED - 214,000 1999 - RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC - 500,000 - (1999) - 487,000 2001 - THE RAINBOW CHILDREN - NOT CERTIFIED - 158,000 2003 - N.E.W.S. - NOT CERTIFIED - 30,000 2004 - MUSICOLOGY - 1,000,000 - 827,000 (retail sales only, full sales are 2,047,000 as Sep/2009) 2006 - 3121 - 500,000 - (2006) - 524,000 (Jul 2007) 2007 - PLANET EARTH - NOT CERTIFIED - 222,000 Albums released in the Soundscan-Era (Compilation albums) 1993 - THE HITS/THE B-SIDES (3xCD) - 334,000 - (1993) - 630,000 1993 - THE HITS 1 - 1,000,000 - (1995) - 1,433,000 (September 2009) 1993 - THE HITS 2 - 1,000,000 - (1995) - 1,715,000 (September 2009) 1998 - CRYSTAL BALL (4xCD) - Not certified - 113,000 1999 - THE VAULT - Not certified - 113,000 2001 - THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE - 1,000,000 - (2004) - 1,618,000 (September 2009) 2006 - ULTIMATE PRINCE - NOT CERTIFIED - 87,000 (February 2007)

... who cares how much he sold or didn't sell... the only thing that matters is PHASE 1 sold so poorly no one wanted to distribute PHASE 2 on a major scale.

To what extent do you think the TIDAL streaming affected these sales? I also have to say that I saw a huge amount of filesharing of this album on certain platforms which can't help.

[Edited 1/27/16 14:29pm]

feeluupp said:

blackbob said:

... who cares how much he sold or didn't sell... the only thing that matters is PHASE 1 sold so poorly no one wanted to distribute PHASE 2 on a major scale.

He could easily get it distributed and on Amazon, any little independant, he just doesnt want to, he wants 100% profit, which isn't going to happen, unless he's going to drive a van round the streets selling it out the back of it

[Edited 1/27/16 14:33pm]

jayspud said:

feeluupp said:

... who cares how much he sold or didn't sell... the only thing that matters is PHASE 1 sold so poorly no one wanted to distribute PHASE 2 on a major scale.

To what extent do you think the TIDAL streaming affected these sales? I also have to say that I saw a huge amount of filesharing of this album on certain platforms which can't help.

[Edited 1/27/16 14:29pm]

we don't have any numbers of how many times PHASE 1 was STREAMED on TIDAL... Spotify shows the number of times a song was streamed, TIDAL does not...

however what we do know is that PHASE 1 sold less than 10,000 copies for physical sales... which is probably the reason that PHASE 2 is having a hard time disrtibuting it... WB passed up, and others hence why it can't get a large scale national and international distribution.

bigd74 said:

feeluupp said:

... who cares how much he sold or didn't sell... the only thing that matters is PHASE 1 sold so poorly no one wanted to distribute PHASE 2 on a major scale.

He could easily get it distributed and on Amazon, any little independant, he just doesnt want to, he wants 100% profit, which isn't going to happen, unless he's going to drive a van round the streets selling it out the back of it

[Edited 1/27/16 14:33pm]

it's a mixture of both i believe. remember on twitter PRINCE stated WB passed up on PHASE 1. also if it can easily be distributed why isn't ROC NATION distributing PHASE 2 like they did with PHASE 1.

it's because PRINCE wants an upfront profit, but his product is not making them profit by selling so poor numbers.

feeluupp said:

jayspud said:

feeluupp said:

we don't have any numbers of how many times PHASE 1 was STREAMED on TIDAL... Spotify shows the number of times a song was streamed, TIDAL does not...

however what we do know is that PHASE 1 sold less than 10,000 copies for physical sales... which is probably the reason that PHASE 2 is having a hard time disrtibuting it... WB passed up, and others hence why it can't get a large scale national and international distribution.

That's an interesting point. If Tidal released those figures it would make the overall situation clearer.

i think the situation is pretty clear... he can't get PHASE 2 a major worldwide distribution deal.

feeluupp said:

Pentacle said:

partyup77 said:

I am super worried that this deal is going to screw the student who has been suckered into CD distribution. I really have no idea what is involved with the whole thing but if she makes money and needs a 1099 from Prince next year..... UH OH!!

Comment deleted - langebleu - moderator

'She' is a he.

jayspud said:

feeluupp said:

i think the situation is pretty clear... he can't get PHASE 2 a major worldwide distribution deal.

It will be interesting to see how the next album is distributed. A number of people believe that it might be digital only which, whilst it is relatively easy and cheap to arrange, does mean file sharing will be prolific. The demand for Cds is still there but the numbers in the current market and situation are clearly less than they were.

Demand for CD'S are indeed still there... Adele went 7x platinum already...

Bowie, sold 1 million worldwide sales of BLACKSTAR in 2 weeks. Second week sales were just tallied at over 300,000.

at least he has a reason why it isnt selling......

blackbob said:

Just to give some perspective here about prince's album sales...here is another great artist...the late great david bowie's album sales in america... . .1969 none Space Oddity - 16 - 84,000 1970 none The Man Who Sold the World - 105 - 77,000 1972 none Hunky Dory - 57 - 166,000 1972 1974 Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust - 21 - 500,000 - 465,000 1973 1983 Aladdin Sane - 17 - 500,000 - 133,000 1974 Diamond Dogs 108,000 1975 Young Americans 94,000 1976 Station to station 98,000 1977 Low 103,000 1977 Heroes 86,000 1979 Lodger 37,000 1980 Scary Monsters 87,000 1983 Let's Dance 174,000 1984 Tonight 22,000 1987 Never Let Me Down 13,000 1993 Black Tie White Noise 167,000 1995 Outside 192,000 1997 Earthling 254,000 1999. Hours 160,000 2002. Heathen 233,000 2003. Reality 148,000 . These are soundscan figures since 1991... [Edited 1/27/16 13:59pm]

Worldwide sales must be so much more because Mr. Bowie sold the rights to his mastertapes for 90 million.

That's a lot of cheddar, Prince said.

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EroticDreamer said:

blackbob said:

Just to give some perspective here about prince's album sales...here is another great artist...the late great david bowie's album sales in america... . .1969 none Space Oddity - 16 - 84,000 1970 none The Man Who Sold the World - 105 - 77,000 1972 none Hunky Dory - 57 - 166,000 1972 1974 Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust - 21 - 500,000 - 465,000 1973 1983 Aladdin Sane - 17 - 500,000 - 133,000 1974 Diamond Dogs 108,000 1975 Young Americans 94,000 1976 Station to station 98,000 1977 Low 103,000 1977 Heroes 86,000 1979 Lodger 37,000 1980 Scary Monsters 87,000 1983 Let's Dance 174,000 1984 Tonight 22,000 1987 Never Let Me Down 13,000 1993 Black Tie White Noise 167,000 1995 Outside 192,000 1997 Earthling 254,000 1999. Hours 160,000 2002. Heathen 233,000 2003. Reality 148,000 . These are soundscan figures since 1991... [Edited 1/27/16 13:59pm]

Worldwide sales must be so much more because Mr. Bowie sold the rights to his mastertapes for 90 million.

That's a lot of cheddar, Prince said.

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TOPIC- Do the new online sellers take paypal?

those numbers are not the current figures... and are u.s. sales only. for example PARADE sold 1.9 million back in 1986 in the U.S. alone... so a lot of these figures that are "off". also DIAMONDS & PEARLS worldwide sales is over 6.7M now and PURPLE RAIN is over 25M.

LOTFUSFLOW3R sold over 500,000 which is an amazing feat when u remember it was sold at TARGET alone exclusively in the beginning...

[Edited 1/27/16 18:02pm]

EroticDreamer said:

blackbob said:

Just to give some perspective here about prince's album sales...here is another great artist...the late great david bowie's album sales in america... . .1969 none Space Oddity - 16 - 84,000 1970 none The Man Who Sold the World - 105 - 77,000 1972 none Hunky Dory - 57 - 166,000 1972 1974 Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust - 21 - 500,000 - 465,000 1973 1983 Aladdin Sane - 17 - 500,000 - 133,000 1974 Diamond Dogs 108,000 1975 Young Americans 94,000 1976 Station to station 98,000 1977 Low 103,000 1977 Heroes 86,000 1979 Lodger 37,000 1980 Scary Monsters 87,000 1983 Let's Dance 174,000 1984 Tonight 22,000 1987 Never Let Me Down 13,000 1993 Black Tie White Noise 167,000 1995 Outside 192,000 1997 Earthling 254,000 1999. Hours 160,000 2002. Heathen 233,000 2003. Reality 148,000 . These are soundscan figures since 1991... [Edited 1/27/16 13:59pm]

Worldwide sales must be so much more because Mr. Bowie sold the rights to his mastertapes for 90 million.

That's a lot of cheddar, Prince said.

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TOPIC- Do the new online sellers take paypal?

i was actually looking at BOWIES sales a few days ago, and his worldwide sales of LETS DANCE is over 10 million, Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust worldwide sales if over 7 million, BLACKSTAR sold 1 million total in only it's 2nd week on the charts.

dualboot said:

^but is it legit? Any news on it from PP?

Funkenberry tweeted about it calling it "LEGIT". I think that is as close to an official endorsement it has gotten.

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