I told u he couldn't get a proper distribution for PHASE 2... and the FAMS said I was jumping to conclusion...

Adorecream said:

Why is he doing this, he eagerly released Phase 1 and 2014's albums?

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Honestly this album had a great chance of reaching the mainstream more than anything he has done in the past. It is sad he still wants to play these games with us.

because PHASE 1 failed to sell even 10,000 copies, fell off the charts in the 2nd week... no one major label wants to distribute this album.

This will be the first Prince CD I'm not buying, owing to the cost of shipping to the UK. I'm sure we'll see it available on Amazon at some point at least.

blackbob said:

Can we please stop this "prince cant get a distribution deal " nonsense....yes he can...easily...the problem is that prince wants to keep almost all the profit to himself...he hates the thought of anyone else making money from his work...the problem is prince himself. . Now as far as poor sales are concerned...this is also nonsense....yes he isnt selling what he used to but no one is...apart from a handful of artists....as i have here before...art official age was the best seling album in the world on its first week of release...it may have fallen off the charts after that but with no promotion...what do you expect..? Prince CAN sell a good amount of albums if he gets a good distribution deal and promotes it and ..maybe then tour it....the last time he did that....musicology....it sold millions....phase one poor sales were hardly surprising as it was difficult to get anywhere and had zero promotion so lets be real here....the only reason prince doesnt have proper distribution and decent sales is prince himself....his greed and his not wanting to promote anything is the reason why things are the way they are at the mom

I agree. And if you throw in the fact that his music has pretty much sucked for quite a while now, you have a recipe for disaster. It's a good thing he can always rely on his past hits to pay his rent.

blackbob said:

Can we please stop this "prince cant get a distribution deal " nonsense....yes he can...easily...the problem is that prince wants to keep almost all the profit to himself...he hates the thought of anyone else making money from his work...the problem is prince himself. . Now as far as poor sales are concerned...this is also nonsense....yes he isnt selling what he used to but no one is...apart from a handful of artists....as i have here before...art official age was the best seling album in the world on its first week of release...it may have fallen off the charts after that but with no promotion...what do you expect..? Prince CAN sell a good amount of albums if he gets a good distribution deal and promotes it and ..maybe then tour it....the last time he did that....musicology....it sold millions....phase one poor sales were hardly surprising as it was difficult to get anywhere and had zero promotion so lets be real here....the only reason prince doesnt have proper distribution and decent sales is prince himself....his greed and his not wanting to promote anything is the reason why things are the way they are at the mom

That's all anyone is saying. It's why he we don't have outtakes. It's why AOA was jammed with sound effects. It's why you can't watch Prince videos in this digital age, etc, etc... It's all Prince himself screwing up everything. Everybody that works for him is a specialist/professional at what they do. Only Prince has the power to run everything into the ground. And, tbh, I think he is VERY happy with his circumstances. I think he enjoys the pressure and the game.

I have no words!

Glad I have no desire for a physical product, I paid for the music on iTunes, so Prince has had my cash for this album.

I think some people are confusing record labels and distribution companies - and their function.

Not all labels have their own distribution company. Prince has a label but no distribution company. Just like not all labels have a CD manufacturing plant!!!!

There are numerous independent distribution companies out there. Terry Blood was the biggest one used by retailers.

Prince just needs to have a distribution deal with an independent just like he did for the Most Beautiful Girl in the World.

As we all know, this is sooo easy, but Prince likes to do things the hard way!

blackbob said:

Can we please stop this "prince cant get a distribution deal " nonsense....yes he can...easily...the problem is that prince wants to keep almost all the profit to himself...he hates the thought of anyone else making money from his work...the problem is prince himself. . Now as far as poor sales are concerned...this is also nonsense....yes he isnt selling what he used to but no one is...apart from a handful of artists....as i have said here before...art official age was the best seling album in the world on its first week of release...it may have fallen off the charts after that but with no promotion...what do you expect..? Prince CAN sell a good amount of albums if he gets a good distribution deal and promotes it and ..maybe then tour it....the last time he did that....musicology....it sold millions....phase one poor sales were hardly surprising as it was difficult to get anywhere and had zero promotion so lets be real here....the only reason prince doesnt have proper distribution and decent sales is prince himself....his greed and his not wanting to promote anything is the reason why things are the way they are at the moment

how can he get a GOOD DISTRIBUTION DEAL like u said if he can't sell albums?? that's the paradox isn't it??

that's the whole reason why PHASE 2 isn't distributed, so if he can get one, why didn't he get one?

dualboot said:

Control is key- This mail: Unfortunately we have to cancel your order for your Prince CDs. We are not authorized to sell Prince's Hitnrun Phase Two CD via our website or phone order. If Paisley Park lets us know how people can order the CD online, we will pass along that link to you. We have refunded your money. We are sorry for the inconvenience. -The Electric Fetus

Is it real or is it a joke?!?!?!?!?

dualboot said:

What is all of this Digital Garden nonesense????

There is no trading information on the website - which is actually illegal.

I very much doubt they are PCI compliant in order to take card payments - which is illegal.

And how are they going to pay any applicable taxes on the product and their income.

I've always understood if you get into bed with the devil then you risk getting bitten - so DG had better be careful.

darkroman said:

... if you get into bed with the devil then you risk getting bitten - so DG had better be careful.

But it does not seem to be TDG.org

feeluupp said:

how can he get a GOOD DISTRIBUTION DEAL like u said if he can't sell albums?? that's the paradox isn't it??

that's the whole reason why PHASE 2 isn't distributed, so if he can get one, why didn't he get one?

He might be able to get one on his name and legacy-status, plus sign off on promotion -

and you know, little things like not badmouthing your record or distribution company.

So yeah, it's going to be hard...

Amazon's a pretty huge distribution company.

He doesn't even have to have a website for this. He can tweet a Paypal email address.

darkroman said:

What is all of this Digital Garden nonesense????

There is no trading information on the website - which is actually illegal.

I very much doubt they are PCI compliant in order to take card payments - which is illegal.

And how are they going to pay any applicable taxes on the product and their income.

I've always understood if you get into bed with the devil then you risk getting bitten - so DG had better be careful.

I am super worried that this deal is going to screw the student who has been suckered into CD distribution. I really have no idea what is involved with the whole thing but if she makes money and needs a 1099 from Prince next year..... UH OH!!

blackbob said:

Can we please stop this "prince cant get a distribution deal " nonsense....yes he can...easily...the problem is that prince wants to keep almost all the profit to himself...he hates the thought of anyone else making money from his work...the problem is prince himself. . Now as far as poor sales are concerned...this is also nonsense....yes he isnt selling what he used to but no one is...apart from a handful of artists....as i have said here before...art official age was the best seling album in the world on its first week of release...it may have fallen off the charts after that but with no promotion...what do you expect..? Prince CAN sell a good amount of albums if he gets a good distribution deal and promotes it and ..maybe then tour it....the last time he did that....musicology....it sold millions....phase one poor sales were hardly surprising as it was difficult to get anywhere and had zero promotion so lets be real here....the only reason prince doesnt have proper distribution and decent sales is prince himself....his greed and his not wanting to promote anything is the reason why things are the way they are at the moment

He gave the album Phase 2 to WB as "an olive branch." Per Prince twitter.

Is it greed or just semi-retirement? Right now, he works as much as he wants to and not as hard as in the past. He still creates music and if he wants to be the Pop Star on top, he could do they heavy promotion. It's a choice.

partyup77 said:

I am super worried that this deal is going to screw the student who has been suckered into CD distribution. I really have no idea what is involved with the whole thing but if she makes money and needs a 1099 from Prince next year..... UH OH!!

I think that KCool would love to do some jail time for Prince.

It will make her the ultimate fan!!

kewlschool said:

He gave the album Phase 2 to WB as "an olive branch." Per Prince twitter.

Is it greed or just semi-retirement? Right now, he works as much as he wants to and not as hard as in the past. He still creates music and if he wants to be the Pop Star on top, he could do they heavy promotion. It's a choice.

You're right in what you are sayin'.

Anyway, wrong choice.

feeluupp said:

Pentacle said:

partyup77 said:

I am super worried that this deal is going to screw the student who has been suckered into CD distribution. I really have no idea what is involved with the whole thing but if she makes money and needs a 1099 from Prince next year..... UH OH!!

I think that KCool would love to do some jail time for Prince.

It will make her the ultimate fan!!

blackbob said:

feeluupp said:

how can he get a GOOD DISTRIBUTION DEAL like u said if he can't sell albums?? that's the paradox isn't it??

that's the whole reason why PHASE 2 isn't distributed, so if he can get one, why didn't he get one?

. What do you mean...he cant sell albums...i just pointed out he had the best selling album on the week of its release ?...with very little promotion....prince can sell albums...if he does what every other artist does...make videos and actually promote it....he has had 5 top 5 albums since musicology....with that was the only album he has really promoted in recent years....prince can still sell millions....if its done properly.

i'm talking primarily about PHASE 1. i'm not talking about any other albums that hit the top 5 in the charts, that's irrelevant for this specific cause...

the reason y we are facing this PHASE 2 lack of distribution debacle is because PHASE 1 failed drastically in it's commercial performance. debuting at #70 on the BILLBOARD charts, failing off the chart completely in the 2nd week. Not even surpassing the 10,000 sales mark. Which led to NO ONE wanting to properly distribute PHASE 2 nationally and internationally. Which is why only one small record shop has PHASE 2 in MPLS, absurd prices on eBAY, and a website that is selling them that is not even "confirmed" that we will get it deleivered or not.

blackbob said:

If you make albums hard to get...then it aint going to sell....the fact it was a poor an album as prince has released didnt help..releasing it on tidal isnt going to help sales either...particularly if you cant buy the cd on the release date....no promotion...no videos...no nothing....it aint going to sell.

exactly.

now why do u think WB and others passed up on PHASE 2?? Roc Nation didn't even distribute it like they did with PHASE 1. no point to distribute something if it won't sell, won't make them money, as PRINCE doesn't care about promoting anything.

i've never seen an artist that fluctuates that drastically in sales besides PRINCE. He goes from selling 33,000 copies of N.E.W.S. in 2003, then over 3 Million with MUSICOLOGY then over 200,000 in 2014 with AOA, then less than 10,000 copies of PHASE 1 in 2015, and then not being able to get a proper distribution with PHASE 2 in 2015... That's PRINCE in a nutshell for ya.

motherfunka said:

3rdeyedude said:

blackbob said:

Can we please stop this "prince cant get a distribution deal " nonsense....yes he can...easily...the problem is that prince wants to keep almost all the profit to himself...he hates the thought of anyone else making money from his work...the problem is prince himself. . Now as far as poor sales are concerned...this is also nonsense....yes he isnt selling what he used to but no one is...apart from a handful of artists....as i have here before...art official age was the best seling album in the world on its first week of release...it may have fallen off the charts after that but with no promotion...what do you expect..? Prince CAN sell a good amount of albums if he gets a good distribution deal and promotes it and ..maybe then tour it....the last time he did that....musicology....it sold millions....phase one poor sales were hardly surprising as it was difficult to get anywhere and had zero promotion so lets be real here....the only reason prince doesnt have proper distribution and decent sales is prince himself....his greed and his not wanting to promote anything is the reason why things are the way they are at the mom

I agree. And if you throw in the fact that his music has pretty much sucked for quite a while now, you have a recipe for disaster. It's a good thing he can always rely on his past hits to pay his rent.

his recent music doesn't suck at all. apart from some songs, there are enough good songs on any album he did in the last 15 years (apart from Planet Earth).