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Reply #30 posted 01/17/16 8:57am

NorthC

Prince's own words (in the Rolling Stone interview in 1985): "They come to me with an idea and I try to bring that forth. (...) It was Morris' idea to be as sick as he was. That was his personality."
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Reply #31 posted 01/17/16 9:08am

paulludvig

TrevorAyer said:

paulludvig said:



As usual you go way to far. To suggest he lifted all of his songs from band members and associates is ridiculous.


But i did not suggest that. I said MANY not All. So what is your point again?


You suggested that was the norm.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #32 posted 01/17/16 9:43am

thedoorkeeper

No.
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Reply #33 posted 01/17/16 10:43am

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No....that would have completely missed the point.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #34 posted 01/17/16 10:47am

SoulAlive

Prince can play alot of different personas,but come on......Morris Day was the epitome of "cool" smile He played that part like nobody else could.

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Reply #35 posted 01/17/16 11:06am

woogiebear

TrevorAyer said:

does it ever occur to anyone that the time would not exist without morris? .. the songs the music the image

y'all give prince way too much credit .. like he envisioned all this time swagger and just hired morris to fit the part ..

no .. p played off of what morris already brought to the table, embellished it, produced it, polished it, drove it, but morris was the spark .. the inspiration, his personality, his way of talking shit or goofing off .. p copied that, as well as the music morris and friends came up with .. p lifted that and molded it .. but in no fucking way in hell did p just come up with this shit all by himself .. and no fucking way he can ever recreate without those people present and participating

same with other band members .. p lifted the basis of those songs and added his own thing but he was not the spark .. the people around him were

prince is an excellent mimic ... p can play anything he hears ... and did so when coming up with many of his songs including his work on the time albums .. that doesn't mean he wrote it all .. that doesn't mean prince could have had a hit with Jungle Love had he sung it .. he would not have .. just look at nothing compares to you .. prince version blows chunks .. sinead knocked that shit out of the park ..

SPOT ON!!!!! And i STILL can't envision The Time w/Alexander O'Neal as Lead Singer!!!!

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Reply #36 posted 01/17/16 12:59pm

OldFriends4Sal
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iZsaZsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He did not look like Prince, so he had 2 go

Morris and Vanity. Now I get it. smile

yep that twin thing, that reflection thing

I swear Morris on the cover of What Time Is It? looks like Prince from the Controversy album cover making a face, and Vanity... need we say more...

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Reply #37 posted 01/17/16 1:31pm

nursev

iZsaZsa said:

I like Morris, and it has never crossed my mind to replace Morris with anyone else ever, so no.

this cool

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Reply #38 posted 01/17/16 2:22pm

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Interesting question. I've always thought Prince should have saved Get It Up and Girl for himself
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Reply #39 posted 01/17/16 2:24pm

daingermouz202
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And Don't Make Me Wait
[Edited 1/17/16 14:26pm]
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Reply #40 posted 01/18/16 8:44am

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funksterr said:

I feel like Prince answered that question for us when he attempted to sing The Bird during his Welcome2America Tour. His vocals just aren't as powerful as Morris's. Add to that, Prince is kind of feminine in his mannerisms and fashion choices and, well, The Time is a totally different band with Prince as the lead. I don't think it works out well.


--- If you think Morris is a better singer than Prince you need to put down the crack pipe. If Prince wanted to be an Just an RnB guy he could have fronted the group but obviously he wanted to do more than RnB guy. Cat Glover said that the Morris Day is Prince when he is in playboy mode so that blows your theory.
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Reply #41 posted 01/18/16 8:49am

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TrevorAyer said:

paulludvig said:



As usual you go way to far. To suggest he lifted all of his songs from band members and associates is ridiculous.


But i did not suggest that. I said MANY not All. So what is your point again?

--- And that contradicts what many associates have said about Prince being the catalyst for everything with the exception of Jam and Lewis the other associates do not the creative spark or drive that P has. The track record of the associates speaks volumes.
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Reply #42 posted 01/18/16 8:53am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



iZsaZsa said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



He did not look like Prince, so he had 2 go



Morris and Vanity. Now I get it. smile


yep that twin thing, that reflection thing



I swear Morris on the cover of What Time Is It? looks like Prince from the Controversy album cover making a face, and Vanity... need we say more...




-- No Mr. O'Neal made outrageous demands according to Jam, Lewis and Morris on the Original 7 dvd. Alex's talked himself out of the job.
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Reply #43 posted 01/18/16 9:59am

iZsaZsa

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:



iZsaZsa said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



He did not look like Prince, so he had 2 go



Morris and Vanity. Now I get it. smile


yep that twin thing, that reflection thing



I swear Morris on the cover of What Time Is It? looks like Prince from the Controversy album cover making a face, and Vanity... need we say more...




-- No Mr. O'Neal made outrageous demands according to Jam, Lewis and Morris on the Original 7 dvd. Alex's talked himself out of the job.

Good. Sunshine music.
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Reply #44 posted 01/18/16 12:30pm

OldFriends4Sal
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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yep that twin thing, that reflection thing

I swear Morris on the cover of What Time Is It? looks like Prince from the Controversy album cover making a face, and Vanity... need we say more...

-- No Mr. O'Neal made outrageous demands according to Jam, Lewis and Morris on the Original 7 dvd. Alex's talked himself out of the job.

those demans just made it easier for Prince to replace him, and put someone in who looked like him.
Plus originally the deal for a band was made with Morris Day (his friends and runner for his band) in exchange for a song. It was never made with Alexander. Alexander was never going to lead Prince's protege band.

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Reply #45 posted 01/18/16 11:45pm

iZsaZsa

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OldFriends4Sale said:



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



yep that twin thing, that reflection thing



I swear Morris on the cover of What Time Is It? looks like Prince from the Controversy album cover making a face, and Vanity... need we say more...





-- No Mr. O'Neal made outrageous demands according to Jam, Lewis and Morris on the Original 7 dvd. Alex's talked himself out of the job.


those demans just made it easier for Prince to replace him, and put someone in who looked like him.
Plus originally the deal for a band was made with Morris Day (his friends and runner for his band) in exchange for a song. It was never made with Alexander. Alexander was never going to lead Prince's protege band.




They traded Alexander for a song? Lol. Which song?
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Reply #46 posted 01/19/16 1:28am

NorthC

Party Up. Morris wrote it and Prince used it. So Prince owed Morris a favour.
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Reply #47 posted 01/19/16 3:25am

iZsaZsa

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NorthC said:

Party Up. Morris wrote it and Prince used it. So Prince owed Morris a favour.

lol
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Reply #48 posted 01/19/16 5:00am

thetimefan

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I can't imagine The Time without Morris as the frontman. I don't know how the dynamic with Jerome would have worked either. Plus Prince would have to have played a character similar to Morris Day for the whole thing to have worked as well as it did. Like it's been said the whole image - sharp suits etc. were as much part of The Time as the music and back in that time P was doing Dirty Mind IIRC and he couldn't really go with the drawers/trenchcoat look and then go and put a tailor suit on and be lead singer of The Time. Sure, he could, but it's like a massive contrast which is why I think Morris was perfect for the role, Prince could still explore a different style of musical genre (Funk/Soul) alongside what he was currently doing with the Dirty Mind LP.

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Reply #49 posted 01/19/16 8:42am

KCOOLMUZIQ

prince already played that character when he recruited Jerome Benton(who I met a few times)into the revamped Revolution. The sad thing is prince can change personas anytime he wants. But Morris has to play that prince created pimp character the rest of his life. When he would have much rather been a part of the Revolution.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #50 posted 01/19/16 8:48am

paulludvig

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

prince already played that character when he recruited Jerome Benton(who I met a few times)into the revamped Revolution. The sad thing is prince can change personas anytime he wants. But Morris has to play that prince created pimp character the rest of his life. When he would have much rather been a part of the Revolution.

True!

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Reply #51 posted 01/19/16 9:17am

thedoorkeeper

I never knew Morris wanted to be a member
of the Revolution - did he want to play drums?
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Reply #52 posted 01/19/16 9:27am

paulludvig

thedoorkeeper said:

I never knew Morris wanted to be a member of the Revolution - did he want to play drums?

yup

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Reply #53 posted 01/19/16 9:44am

HardcoreJollie
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When Morris Day emerged on the scene fronting the Time it struck me that he was the coolest, baddest persona in black/funk (really all) music since Bootsy arrived in the mid-1970s. And just like George Clinton knew Bootsy was better suited to front his own thing with the Rubber Band so too Prince knew Morris Day was better to front the Time. Both Clinton and Prince helped and supported these cats and were smart enough to know despite their own great talents it was the only way to go. Years later, I think a similar situation with Dr. Dre behind Snoop Dogg.

If you've got funk, you've got style.
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Reply #54 posted 01/19/16 9:49am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Don't mention Snoop! After he tore prince a new one 4 not clearing his samples of muziq 4 him 2 use. sad

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #55 posted 01/19/16 6:49pm

funksterr

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

I feel like Prince answered that question for us when he attempted to sing The Bird during his Welcome2America Tour. His vocals just aren't as powerful as Morris's. Add to that, Prince is kind of feminine in his mannerisms and fashion choices and, well, The Time is a totally different band with Prince as the lead. I don't think it works out well.

--- If you think Morris is a better singer than Prince you need to put down the crack pipe. If Prince wanted to be an Just an RnB guy he could have fronted the group but obviously he wanted to do more than RnB guy. Cat Glover said that the Morris Day is Prince when he is in playboy mode so that blows your theory.

Bonus points for mentioning Cat and crack in the same post. I can't see Prince doing his lace pants burlesque 'Does your man have an ass like mine?' booty-shake and cooing, falsetto routine and it having the same success as The Time did with those songs. If anything DMSR should have been a Time song, and International Lover. Idk, we might like Morris's versions better if Prince would stop playing and let them out the vault.

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Reply #56 posted 01/19/16 6:52pm

luvsexy4all

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I would love to hear Prince do lead vocals on "get it up" and "jungle love"

someone must have the lps with his vocals

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Reply #57 posted 01/19/16 7:08pm

thedoorkeeper

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Don't mention Snoop! After he tore prince a new one 4 not clearing his samples of muziq 4 him 2 use. sad


Don't know this story -
Prince used samples of Snoops "music"?
When did this happen?
Details please.
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Reply #58 posted 01/19/16 7:40pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

@2;55

Eye have no respect 4 Snoop anymore...

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #59 posted 01/19/16 8:46pm

thedoorkeeper

KCOOLMUZIQ said:



@2;55


Eye have no respect 4 Snoop anymore...


I see now - ok thanks for clearing that up. biggrin
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