IstenSzek said:

this is why prince would have been THE artist to release expanded remasters of his albums.

can you imagine how much talk there would have been about his 'unreleased songs' from all

of his 80s albums/era's?

i never quite understood why prince said he was sort of unhappy with parade or that he did

not have enough good material ready when he was making the album. i mean, come on. he

just cut 'old friends 4 sale' and 'all my dreams' off it. wow. plus 'others here with us', which
i like a lot. chuck in 'alexa de paris' and 'an honest man' and 'sexual suicide' and just WOW.

And how about:

In a Large Room with No Light

Train

A Place in Heaven

It's a Wonderful Day

Witness 4 the Prosecution

Big Tall Wall

All great songs!

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol if Revolution or Wendy Lisa Susannah are attached at all paulludvig appears to smear

oh, come on. I didn't say it's a bad song. I like it a lot. But Prince was obviously trying to evoke an old Hollywood style of music (he even instructed W&L to sing "like Betty Davies"). This is totally appropriate in the context of the movie, which is itself a Hollywood pastiche, but a pastiche will rarely be of the greatest artistic merit.

I woud level the same ciriticism against Do You Lie, which is a pastich on a french chanson.

Mmm... But if we go down that path, a great deal of Prince's repertoire is a "pastiche".
The whole ATWIAD album is a Sergeant Pepper Lonely Heart's Club Band (or Magical Mystery Tour) pastiche, "Witness 4 The Prosecution" is an Hendrix pastiche, "Darling Nikki" is a Zappa pastiche, and Sly Stone and Parliament pastiches are scattered all around in his discography.

I don't think it's right. A pastiche would not stand the test of time as All My Dreams does.
After all, it's what Prince is renowned for : digesting a musical genre and making it his own.
That's one of his major strengths.

There's a current thread about mixing. Well, this is a masterpiece in production, execution and mixing. Just the finale would deserve a grammy for best sound engineering.


I like "In A Large Room With No Light", but I think it's more of a Hollywood pastiche than All My Dreams, the full fanfare big band sound is great, the coda is great, but somehow it's mostly prowesses and not much substance.

All My Dreams transcends the musical comedy genre. And of course, the final would not explode as Grand Parade fireworks without the instrumental that precedes.

All My Dreams doesn't age, and some Peter Pans amongst us neither because of it, they still refuse to become a failure : they will never let the Blue Sailor sail them away from their dreams.


According to Princevault, this was recorded the same day as Kiss. This is mind-boggling, like When Doves Cry being done in 48 hours.
Kanye West and other self-proclaimed geniuses are not worth licking ol' Skipper's feet.

Dilan said:

MattyJam said:

Not only my all time favourite Prince song, but my all time favourite song ever by anyone.

Definition of the word masterpiece.

I will add that I always felt that the reason it was omitted from Parade was because it was quite obviously an album closer, as was Sometimes It Snows In April. I couldn't see either of those tracks slotting in anywhere other than at the end of the album, which was perhaps why Prince left it off.

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WOAH are you sure!??! So you like it more than Billie Jean?

100% sure. All My Dreams is as good as music gets for me.

Isn't it a shame that the majority of the Dream Factory/Crystal Ball outtakes never were officially released?

The fact that many non Prince fans and the public are unaware of that creative genius period is a real cloth on his legacy.

iZsaZsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree, with the original ending, that was much brighter (Christopher did not die) All My Dreams woiuld have been perfect

I want to see that one.

me too

feeluupp said:

Isn't it a shame that the majority of the Dream Factory/Crystal Ball outtakes never were officially released?

The fact that many non Prince fans and the public are unaware of that creative genius period is a real cloth on his legacy.

Yes I mean that most people don't know for every album from 1999-1986(Dream Factory) Prince could have released 1-2 albums every year along with the official release.
Not to mention the greatest era of proteges

OldFriends4Sale said:

breakdown2k14 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

skipthecharades said:

Scarfo said:

"All My Dreams" would had fir perfectly on "Parade"! It captured the sound and feel of the movie, "Under the Cherry Moon", and it had an catchy chrous and hook to it. I agree, it's criminal this and Alexis de Paris was left off Parade. I find it so comical, that Prince is basically begging to release his crappy "HitnRun Crap Phases", that only sell about 7,000 copies worldwide, when he could release remasters of his hit albums with unrelease tracks that would sell MILLIONS! Prince is an true dumbass when it comes to making career business decisions.

Let's just hope for some of these unreleased tracks to appear on new HnR albums.

I wonder what would sell more: another HnR album including some of these Vault tracks, or a remaster with those songs as bonus tracks.

That would be cool, but unfortunately he'd more than likely "remake" them like he did with 1000 X & O and XtraLovable.

OldFriends4Sale said:

MattyJam said:

Not only my all time favourite Prince song, but my all time favourite song ever by anyone.

Definition of the word masterpiece.

I will add that I always felt that the reason it was omitted from Parade was because it was quite obviously an album closer, as was Sometimes It Snows In April. I couldn't see either of those tracks slotting in anywhere other than at the end of the album, which was perhaps why Prince left it off.

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I agree, with the original ending, that was much brighter (Christopher did not die) All My Dreams woiuld have been perfect

Am I understanding you correctly? There was an alternate ending written for the movie?

xpertluva said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree, with the original ending, that was much brighter (Christopher did not die) All My Dreams woiuld have been perfect

Am I understanding you correctly? There was an alternate ending written for the movie?

Yes

If I remember correctly when Prince took over as director he changed the direction of the movie "You can actually feel/see when he took over, it get's all sloppy'

November 1985: Nice, France

p 94

chapter 7

Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince

Back in France, the shooting of Under the shooting of Under the Cherry Moon limped to a close

On the set in Nice, Prince seemed conflicted about Christopher Tracy, the character he had created for himself to play in the film. This charismatic, sexy, and somewhat snide piano player was hardly a sympathetic figure, and Prince's plan all along had been for Tracy to die at the end of the film, representing his own symbolic transcendence of these character flaws. But Warner Bros. preferring (as film studios invariably do) a happy ending, pshed him to conclude with Tracy reforming and heading off into the sunset with lover interest Mary (Scott-Thomas).

The alternative ending was shot, and publicist Howard Bloom, viewing a cut of the film where Tracy survives, found himself believing in the character's redemptive journey. "Warner Bros. insisted on him getting the girl at the end, and it really worked," Bloom remembered. "This little asshole character that was so hard to identify with, you bonded with by the end."

But Prince favored the original ending. In the final cut, Tracy died (the victim of an assassination) with the result, in Bloom's view, that any meaning in the film was also destroyed.

breakdown2k14 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

me too

Do u know if the original ending was filmed or not ?

November 1985: Nice, France

p 94

chapter 7

Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince

Back in France, the shooting of Under the shooting of Under the Cherry Moon limped to a close

On the set in Nice, Prince seemed conflicted about Christopher Tracy, the character he had created for himself to play in the film. This charismatic, sexy, and somewhat snide piano player was hardly a sympathetic figure, and Prince's plan all along had been for Tracy to die at the end of the film, representing his own symbolic transcendence of these character flaws. But Warner Bros. preferring (as film studios invariably do) a happy ending, pshed him to conclude with Tracy reforming and heading off into the sunset with lover interest Mary (Scott-Thomas).

The alternative ending was shot, and publicist Howard Bloom, viewing a cut of the film where Tracy survives, found himself believing in the character's redemptive journey. "Warner Bros. insisted on him getting the girl at the end, and it really worked," Bloom remembered. "This little asshole character that was so hard to identify with, you bonded with by the end."

But Prince favored the original ending. In the final cut, Tracy died (the victim of an assassination) with the result, in Bloom's view, that any meaning in the film was also destroyed.

u people ...an unreleased track from the 80's and u over salivate...its no big deal

0purplepolitician said:

Best ending ever in life .

OldFriends4Sale said:

breakdown2k14 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

November 1985: Nice, France

p 94

chapter 7

Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince

Back in France, the shooting of Under the shooting of Under the Cherry Moon limped to a close

On the set in Nice, Prince seemed conflicted about Christopher Tracy, the character he had created for himself to play in the film. This charismatic, sexy, and somewhat snide piano player was hardly a sympathetic figure, and Prince's plan all along had been for Tracy to die at the end of the film, representing his own symbolic transcendence of these character flaws. But Warner Bros. preferring (as film studios invariably do) a happy ending, pshed him to conclude with Tracy reforming and heading off into the sunset with lover interest Mary (Scott-Thomas).

The alternative ending was shot, and publicist Howard Bloom, viewing a cut of the film where Tracy survives, found himself believing in the character's redemptive journey. "Warner Bros. insisted on him getting the girl at the end, and it really worked," Bloom remembered. "This little asshole character that was so hard to identify with, you bonded with by the end."

But Prince favored the original ending. In the final cut, Tracy died (the victim of an assassination) with the result, in Bloom's view, that any meaning in the film was also destroyed.

wow!! Very insightful information.thank u for posting that info.I love the UTCM movie but I would love it more with a happy ending .Hope we get to see that scene one day

Yes, thanks for that info. I'd love to see it released in color with the happy ending! At the very least, we'd be spared Jerome's God awful acting when Christopher dies. "He's just a baby!"

Co-vote. It would have been an entirely different film.
They could have insisted more on Christopher struggling to quit his bad ways.

A male "Roxane" redemption would have been way better and would have spare us
the ludicrous shot scene. Until then, the picture's pretty good.
"Mountains" would have been great as background music with Prince and Mary playing in the fields, or starting a life together, instead of the kids. It's too surreal as it is.

But hey, Skipper wanted to do a blue screen, and a flying carpet while playing shakers.
Oh well.

Let's hope he didn't destroy the takes as he destroyed the J.B. Mondino Lovesexy cover session...

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luvsexy4all said:

u people ...an unreleased track from the 80's and u over salivate...its no big deal

... says the one who always starts the most threads about an unreleased track or new boot.

feeluupp said:

luvsexy4all said:

u people ...an unreleased track from the 80's and u over salivate...its no big deal

... says the one who always starts the most threads about an unreleased track or new boot.

i like to know about it ..before i get excited....

He was right to hold it off Parade for Dream Factory where it would've fit better, and right to not include it on SOTT where it wouldn't have fit either. I guess it was just an amazing track that missed it's window of release when DF got canned. Choo choo!

bonatoc said:

paulludvig said:

bonatoc said:

Co-vote. It would have been an entirely different film.
They could have insisted more on Christopher struggling to quit his bad ways.

A male "Roxane" redemption would have been way better and would have spare us
the ludicrous shot scene. Until then, the picture's pretty good.
"Mountains" would have been great as background music with Prince and Mary playing in the fields, or starting a life together, instead of the kids. It's too surreal as it is.

But hey, Skipper wanted to do a blue screen, and a flying carpet while playing shakers.
Oh well.

Let's hope he didn't destroy the takes as he destroyed the J.B. Mondino Lovesexy cover session...

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I agree it would have been an entirely different movie. As it is the movie focuses on sosio-political issues. Class and race. Christopher is trying to make it as a poor, black man from the USA amongst super rich, white europeans. He doesn't make it. Maybe because it's impossible?

According to Prince it was all about the power of love...

Not race, but definately class, there were many rich (Afro descendant) people throught the movie.
He didn't make it because he was a gigolo who tried to scheme a young lady out of her money, Prince takes over the script directing and makes him someone who you could not actually root for(what father would want that for her daughter) and

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

bonatoc said: I agree it would have been an entirely different movie. As it is the movie focuses on sosio-political issues. Class and race. Christopher is trying to make it as a poor, black man from the USA amongst super rich, white europeans. He doesn't make it. Maybe because it's impossible?

According to Prince it was all about the power of love...

Not race, but definately class, there were many rich (Afro descendant) people throught the movie.
He didn't make it because he was a gigolo who tried to scheme a young lady out of her money, Prince takes over the script directing and makes him someone who you could not actually root for(what father would want that for her daughter) and

Not sure. There's the scene where Christopher tells Tricky that it's easier for Christopher to pass because he's lighter skinned (butterscotch). And if not race, then at least cultural differences. Wrecka Stow!

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

According to Prince it was all about the power of love...

Not race, but definately class, there were many rich (Afro descendant) people throught the movie.
He didn't make it because he was a gigolo who tried to scheme a young lady out of her money, Prince takes over the script directing and makes him someone who you could not actually root for(what father would want that for her daughter) and

Not sure. There's the scene where Christopher tells Tricky that it's easier for Christopher to pass because he's lighter skinned (butterscotch). And if not race, then at least cultural differences. Wrecka Stow!

Yeah definately cultural differences via nationality (American culture vs English/French culture) and a movie ...once upon a time in the 1940s were boom boxes and 1970s/80s slang is used... lol I don't think it is about social political issues

definately class and LOVE

Doozer said:

btw who's the fool singing "of"? It's "All My Dreams" not "All of My Dreams."

Clever Is that from SWSAT rehearsal?