feeluupp said:

Sadly by the time he will come to agreement for reissues and remasters... No one will care. Just a few thousand fans, and here on the org as well...

Lets face it in 5 more years 10 more years with the terrible visibility he has now a days to the NEW GENERATION... No one cares. Just a legacy act, legend without a doubt, but he killed all the chances for anymore commercial success.

I believe he will never sell as much as AOA (EST 200,000 worldwide) did for the rest of his career, that was the last commercial chance he had... Not trying to be negative, but it's just the truth. His games with his youtube, streaming, ownership just killed his visibility... That new ebony interview really really proved how out of touch Prince has become, I really hate to say it...

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Well said post! I agree with everything. I actually feel really sorry for him.

I find it ironic that Prince tweeted this after the multiple threads bashing him on this site. I think its safe to say Prince reads this site or his camp does.

databank said:

Those tweets confirm what i've been sayin' for more than a year: we won't see the shadow of a remaster or archive program as long as WB has an exclusive deal.

And what possible legal ramifications could both parties, especially Prince, face if the deal expires without any releases? IMO, there's no way WB returned the rights to the masters to Prince at virtually no cost. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Prince escape his "slave" contract with WB without getting sued? I highly doubt that WB would allow this to happen again if this current agreement is breached.

I understand that Prince doesn't "believe" in contracts, but his beliefs do not negate the law.

NorthC said:

mjscarousal said:

I think its safe to say Prince reads this site or his camp does.

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If the Prince man read this site then I would like to see a (rough) calculation of the costs involved of running the PP business and a fair calculation of the value of the remasters in question.

Then the argumentation of what WB offered him or whatever the deal is.

Please?

Without details the Prince man remains selfish in appearance.

mjscarousal said:

udo said:

mjscarousal said:

I think its safe to say Prince reads this site or his camp does.

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If the Prince man read this site then I would like to see a (rough) calculation of the costs involved of running the PP business and a fair calculation of the value of the remasters in question.

Then the argumentation of what WB offered him or whatever the deal is.

Please?

Without details the Prince man remains selfish in appearance.

This is what he was talking about.

No artist out there can reveal such information while negotiations are still ongoing or might resume.

Yet you say that if he doesn't release the information, he looks selfish.

He can't, so instead of deciding that he looks selfish, why not keep in mind he can't then say that you can't judge him?

Strangely, that is how some of us treat other people around us. If we were to treat each other the same way we jump to conclusions with Prince like we're competing in the Olympics of Speculation, all hell would break loose but he's a public figure.

Aerogram said:

udo said:

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If the Prince man read this site then I would like to see a (rough) calculation of the costs involved of running the PP business and a fair calculation of the value of the remasters in question.

Then the argumentation of what WB offered him or whatever the deal is.

Please?

Without details the Prince man remains selfish in appearance.

This is what he was talking about.

No artist out there can reveal such information while negotiations are still ongoing or might resume.

Yet you say that if he doesn't release the information, he looks selfish.

He can't, so instead of deciding that he looks selfish, why not keep in mind he can't then say that you can't judge him?

Strangely, that is how some of us treat other people around us. If we were to treat each other the same way we jump to conclusions with Prince like we're competing in the Olympics of Speculation, all hell would break loose but he's a public figure.

well then again .. these negotiations for remasters and ownership and out takes and live shit and blah blah blah have been going on for 20 years .. its pretty fair to judge at this point that when every other b star on the planet has deluxe reissues remasters box sets out takes alternate takes live soundboards and even audience bootlegs available .. maybe just maybe it has something to do with prince sense of entitlement and nothing to do with anything reasonable

TrevorAyer said:

Aerogram said:

This is what he was talking about.

No artist out there can reveal such information while negotiations are still ongoing or might resume.

Yet you say that if he doesn't release the information, he looks selfish.

He can't, so instead of deciding that he looks selfish, why not keep in mind he can't then say that you can't judge him?

Strangely, that is how some of us treat other people around us. If we were to treat each other the same way we jump to conclusions with Prince like we're competing in the Olympics of Speculation, all hell would break loose but he's a public figure.

well then again .. these negotiations for remasters and ownership and out takes and live shit and blah blah blah have been going on for 20 years .. its pretty fair to judge at this point that when every other b star on the planet has deluxe reissues remasters box sets out takes alternate takes live soundboards and even audience bootlegs available .. maybe just maybe it has something to do with prince sense of entitlement and nothing to do with anything reasonable

TrevorAyer said:

Aerogram said:

This is what he was talking about.

No artist out there can reveal such information while negotiations are still ongoing or might resume.

Yet you say that if he doesn't release the information, he looks selfish.

He can't, so instead of deciding that he looks selfish, why not keep in mind he can't then say that you can't judge him?

Strangely, that is how some of us treat other people around us. If we were to treat each other the same way we jump to conclusions with Prince like we're competing in the Olympics of Speculation, all hell would break loose but he's a public figure.

well then again .. these negotiations for remasters and ownership and out takes and live shit and blah blah blah have been going on for 20 years .. its pretty fair to judge at this point that when every other b star on the planet has deluxe reissues remasters box sets out takes alternate takes live soundboards and even audience bootlegs available .. maybe just maybe it has something to do with prince sense of entitlement and nothing to do with anything reasonable

TrevorAyer said:

Aerogram said:

This is what he was talking about.

No artist out there can reveal such information while negotiations are still ongoing or might resume.

Yet you say that if he doesn't release the information, he looks selfish.

He can't, so instead of deciding that he looks selfish, why not keep in mind he can't then say that you can't judge him?

Strangely, that is how some of us treat other people around us. If we were to treat each other the same way we jump to conclusions with Prince like we're competing in the Olympics of Speculation, all hell would break loose but he's a public figure.

well then again .. these negotiations for remasters and ownership and out takes and live shit and blah blah blah have been going on for 20 years .. its pretty fair to judge at this point that when every other b star on the planet has deluxe reissues remasters box sets out takes alternate takes live soundboards and even audience bootlegs available .. maybe just maybe it has something to do with prince sense of entitlement and nothing to do with anything reasonable

Sure he feels entitled -- as would anyone who created this sprawling body of work, the last major catalog not remastered yet. His 20 year fight should tell you he was very looking to adhere to the existing standard, he thinks he and other artists deserve a new standard. For better and for worse, he's willing to wait and since it's his work, there's little anyone can do.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye can't wait till gets the MEGA deal that he is dreaming of! Then it'll shut all the naysayers up on here that bitch & complain on here on a daily basis. DISAGREE. HE'S ALREADY GOTTEN MULTIPLE "MEGA DEALS" OVER THE YEARS, ACCORDING TO YOU. THERE ARE NO MEGA DEALS OUT THERE FOR REISSUES.

It's really getting old and tired. is going to do what HE wants regardless. AGREE. PRINCE WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS, WHEN HE WANTS. BUT IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME FROM HIS COMMENTS THAT HE HAS NO INTEREST IN REISSUING ANYTHING. WHICH IS FINE WITH ME.

Eye will support him in whatever decision he makes. It is NO artist as gifted and better. AGREE. I KNOW PRINCE WON'T LIKE THIS, BUT I AM GLAD I WAS AROUND DURING THE GOLDEN AGE OF BOOTLEGS. PRINCE WILL NEVER, IMO, RELEASE ANY OF THAT STUFF.

Aerogram said:

TrevorAyer said:

well then again .. these negotiations for remasters and ownership and out takes and live shit and blah blah blah have been going on for 20 years .. its pretty fair to judge at this point that when every other b star on the planet has deluxe reissues remasters box sets out takes alternate takes live soundboards and even audience bootlegs available .. maybe just maybe it has something to do with prince sense of entitlement and nothing to do with anything reasonable

Sure he feels entitled -- as would anyone who created this sprawling body of work, the last major catalog not remastered yet. His 20 year fight should tell you he was very looking to adhere to the existing standard, he thinks he and other artists deserve a new standard. For better and for worse, he's willing to wait and since it's his work, there's little anyone can do.

and every year the commercial value of his work becomes less and less. All the smart ones took advanatge of Deluxe Reissue trend while it was red hot. Elvis Costello, Bowie and so many made bank. There's still money to be made but Prince re-issues are a pipe dream at this point. The little Napoleon told y'all to "live in the present".

Askani said:

Aerogram said:

TrevorAyer said:

well then again .. these negotiations for remasters and ownership and out takes and live shit and blah blah blah have been going on for 20 years .. its pretty fair to judge at this point that when every other b star on the planet has deluxe reissues remasters box sets out takes alternate takes live soundboards and even audience bootlegs available .. maybe just maybe it has something to do with prince sense of entitlement and nothing to do with anything reasonable

Sure he feels entitled -- as would anyone who created this sprawling body of work, the last major catalog not remastered yet. His 20 year fight should tell you he was very looking to adhere to the existing standard, he thinks he and other artists deserve a new standard. For better and for worse, he's willing to wait and since it's his work, there's little anyone can do.

We all know the real reason why it's taking so long.Prince simply wants Warners to write him a $400 million check He is putting too much value on his catalog.Only a few of his albums were massive sellers the first time around.How valuable would a remaster of Lovesexy be? I'm predicting that Warners isn't gonna cave in on this.Prince will either have to accept a lower rate,or abandon the project completely.

ALWAYS gets what he wants concerning his MASSIVE MEGA "MaStErPiEcEs"! This is no exception.

Aerogram said:

udo said:

Without details the Prince man remains selfish in appearance.

This is what he was talking about.

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He was writing about not getting enough.

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No artist out there can reveal such information while negotiations are still ongoing or might resume.

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That technical details. You know what I meant.

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Yet you say that if he doesn't release the information, he looks selfish.

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Yes I did

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He can't, so instead of deciding that he looks selfish, why not keep in mind he can't then say that you can't judge him?

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The Prince man is not the first artist having a nice catalogue of works that is need of remasters or whatever.

So the record company (not just WB) knows what to expect, what to pay, etc, etc, etc.

The issue here is that the Prince man feels he is an exception yet fails to make clear enough to WB how exceptional he is or his works are.

This frustration is in the tweet.

Moonbeam said:

Askani said:

Except for that press release a year and a half ago that explicitly stated they would.

I haven't been much in the Prince news loop, to be honest. But when the PR residue was announced, I don't recall seeing anything from Prince's camp directly. I suppose should be implied that the official announcement served as a sort of acknowledgement from Prince's camp that reissues had some sort of value, but you never know with Prince.

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So you didn't pay attention, yet you deny something that can easily be googled and which has been posted in almost every thread WRT remasters on this site. Hint: JOINT press release by P & WBR.

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djThunderfunk said:

The standard today includes cranking the levels past the point of distortion. Ouch!

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This is nonsensical. There are plenty of fantastic remasters done with great care, and there's even a "flat (re)master" trend.

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And then there are the likes of the piss-poor Robert Palmer remasters which seem to be sourced from MP3s.

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It just depends on the care given to the source material.

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And judging by Prince's output of the past 5/10/15 years, I'd like him to not be involved since he seems to think that clipping isn't that bad.

KingSausage said:

Back on topic: Prince is foolish because he's not capitalizing on a pivotal moment for him. He's oddly hip right now. Invited to awards ceremonies. Talked about by the media in mostly positive ways. Getting praise for crap like Baltimore. Etc etc. It wasn't like this in the late 90s. He was a joke back then. Now, nothing is going to make his reissues sell as many copies as the Beatles' reissues. But the man needs to strike while the iron is hot. Who knows how long this relative honeymoon with the general public is going to last? To the extent that Prince could rake in tons of cash anymore (again, I'm under no illusion that he can sell like Taylor Swift or Adele!) he should engage in a sustained remaster program and tour (like a real tour with planned dates with advance notice), ideally under a cynical "last time I'll play these hits (again)" thing.

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He isn't hot right now. You're in a Prince bubble, but outside of the standard stuff nobody's writing about Prince. Everybody's writing about artists who actually sell record and/or are interesting. Hence multiple think pieces about Adele and Taylor Swift and Bowie's upcoming album etc.

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PR's 35th anniversary would have been a great opportunity, which he wasted on AOA and PlecElec.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

And judging by Prince's output of the past 5/10/15 years, I'd like him to not be involved since he seems to think that clipping isn't that bad.

I don't think he can hear that well anymore . Years of loud music maybe...is it true that he wears a hearing aid?

BartVanHemelen said:

djThunderfunk said:

The standard today includes cranking the levels past the point of distortion. Ouch!

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This is nonsensical. There are plenty of fantastic remasters done with great care, and there's even a "flat (re)master" trend.

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And then there are the likes of the piss-poor Robert Palmer remasters which seem to be sourced from MP3s.

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It just depends on the care given to the source material.

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And judging by Prince's output of the past 5/10/15 years, I'd like him to not be involved since he seems to think that clipping isn't that bad.

Not nonsensical. I said it's the STANDARD. You mention EXCEPTIONS.

I'm basing my expectations on the mastering of Prince's albums from the last 15 years which in my opinion sound worse than his albums from his first 15 years.

You seem to be basing your expectations on the best remasters to come out... and come on Bart, aren't your expectations for Prince the source of your cynicism? You set yourself up to be disappointed, no?

homesquid said:

Aerogram said:

Sure he feels entitled -- as would anyone who created this sprawling body of work, the last major catalog not remastered yet. His 20 year fight should tell you he was very looking to adhere to the existing standard, he thinks he and other artists deserve a new standard. For better and for worse, he's willing to wait and since it's his work, there's little anyone can do.

and every year the commercial value of his work becomes less and less. All the smart ones took advanatge of Deluxe Reissue trend while it was red hot. Elvis Costello, Bowie and so many made bank. There's still money to be made but Prince re-issues are a pipe dream at this point. The little Napoleon told y'all to "live in the present".

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Sure the value is diminishing (as I say so myself elsewhere on this thread), but what can you do as a fan if he thinks he should hold off a few more months, years, even a decade or dare I say two? Meanwhile he's been very active with four albums plus one production credit in two years so for the fans out there who don't automatically vomit on everything he does because it's not music from the friggin eighties, there is that.

BartVanHemelen said:

I'm not interested in any edition not including unreleased outtakes and rare mixes/version.

KingSausage said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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He isn't hot right now. You're in a Prince bubble, but outside of the standard stuff nobody's writing about Prince. Everybody's writing about artists who actually sell record and/or are interesting. Hence multiple think pieces about Adele and Taylor Swift and Bowie's upcoming album etc.

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PR's 35th anniversary would have been a great opportunity, which he wasted on AOA and PlecElec.

I disagree. First, I'm not in a Prince bubble. Are you? Second, the guy is clearly more "hip" right now than he has been in a long time. The media actually covers his new releases. People care when the stupid cover of Creep goes back online. He presents awards. Even on social media, I see more people discussing him now than I did several years ago. These people don't buy his new music. But he still has buzz. This is all relative. I'm not saying he's cool and worthy of attention like Bowie (personally, I can't fucking for Blackstar). But on the scale of "Are people paying attention to Prince?" my observations lead me to believe (and you clearly disagree) that a) yes, they are, and b) the attention is more positive than it was back in the late 90s and early 00s. To the extent that's true, he should put his reissues out now before this moment fades.

When gets the deal he deserves. All he has to do is go on a awards show and announce that their about to come out. They'll sell millions! is still highly respected & looked up to in the industry. The audience will give him a STANDING OVATION for being a real artist that respects his legacy & craft. Tart doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't know why U listen to the negativity. I guess because just a few short weeks ago U yourself was throwing under the bus for a

wannabe.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

KingSausage said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U yourself was throwing under the bus for a wannabe.

When gets the deal he deserves. All he has to do is go on a awards show and announce that their about to come out. They'll sell millions! is still highly respected & looked up to in the industry. The audience will give him a STANDING OVATION for being a real artist that respects his legacy & craft. Tart doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't know why U listen to the negativity. I guess because just a few short weeks ago

I'm going to need at least three, maybe four, beers before I understand what you're talking about. Prince (his real name, BTW) being a Prince wannabe? Huh? His reissues won't sell millions. Well, maybe collectively across his 1978-1992 output. But not individually. However, I guarantee they'll sell fewer copies in five years than they would right now. Prince is a fool. He's losing out by pouting. But what's new?

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