funksterr said:

V10LETBLUES said:

The truth of the matter is his work has not been very good. It doesnt matter of you are the beatles or MJ or anyone else. The work itself still matters. Status alone is not enough. If his current work was at the level of his 80's work then we would see a slightly diffrent outcome. And yes, a part of it is the zeitgeist, and Prince couldn't be further away from that even apart from his age. He just rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and especially so when he became a religious zealot.
The market has changed, but it still has a lot to do with the individual.

Regardless, he is still an incredibly talented live artist with an incredible back catalog that he can milk for the rest of his life.

This quote, seems to me, to typify, Prince's songwriting problem:

He’s also wryly funny on topics ranging from his songwriting (“I have to do it to clear my head, it’s like … shaking an Etch a Sketch”

I really think that he works that way. He just writes for the sake of writing.

He writes like we have to poop. Luckily we don't share that with each other though. I wish Prince wouldn't share his poop all the time.

Marrk said:

Why should musicians expect to get rich? It's a fucking hobby job, not brain surgery. Prince is wealthy enough. He's always banging the same old drum.

You bring up an interesting point.Alot of people in the entertainment business feel like they're entitled to be multi-millionaires.Teachers make far less money and I don't see them complaining.

Marrk said:

Why should musicians expect to get rich? It's a fucking hobby job, not brain surgery.

The distribution of wealth is now somehow miraculously based on some ethical guidelines of merit now? We don't live in a COMECON communist economy where a central authority dictates the worth of a profession. Stars make what they can command in the market, what they can convince other's they're worth and what they can demonstrate they can generate in profit.

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laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

Drake got his music discovered off of his myspace page when he was still acting on Degrassi High...then people downloaded his first two mixtapes religiously (So Far Gone, Comeback Season)....he's rich now....

-- Drake got his cd deal from being on the Internet. Do you really think he is getting rich from the pennies he gets from steaming services? In a few years Cd will no longer be manufactured. Streaming will be the only means to obtain new music. Do you think the music industry is going to give artist more money from sales out of kindness with music sales are shrinking? Are some of you so bent on attacking everything Prince has to say that you are doubting that is royalty checks have strunk since the Internet came along.

Prince loves to mention other artists in his interviews,but the thing is....Adele and Beyonce aren't complaining one bit.He wants to make it seem as if every artist is in this "fight" with him,but that's not the way it is.I don't see either lady writing "slave" on their faces and starting a fight with her record company.

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SoulAlive said:

Prince loves to mention other artists in his interviews,but the thing is....Adele and Beyonce aren't complaining one bit.He wants to make it seem as if every artist is in this "fight" with him,but that's not the way it is.I don't see either lady writing "slave" on their faces and starting a fight with her record company.

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OK so maybe Prince is the wrong person to be picking this fight but it doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. It's just that he is NOT music industry friendly by any means. Even at a time when you could say he was at his most friendly he wasn't really "friendly". He has always been too quirky and seemed like one to never meet a sound manager's suggestion compliantly.

Poor George Michael never rebounded from the exhaustive task of taking on big industry. He had the same arguments. But they are two exceptions. They are the one's who just couldn't find it in themselves to continue to work tirelessly to exploit an exploitative industry.

But he's so right about the internet, and as more sectors are added to its "hit list" it will be even more apparent.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

KingSausage said:

:roll:
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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Maybe this is the signal of an era where musicians no longer "get rich." Wouldn't we still enjoy our favorites if they were working class?

good point.

jdcxc said:

I prefer this Prince over the polished calculated later-life oldies act who is nothing but a cash cow for a company feasting on his name.

He IS a calculated oldies act, using his '80 music and especially Purple Rain as a concert cash cow.

What do you think he's going to play on the piano tour, if it ever happens?

He doesn't promote his new music or build a tour around it. Rightly so, of course, as it's crap,

but you get my drift.

Artists not making enough money is a legitimate concern of course, but in these 'download-for-free' days neither artist nor record company can really solve that.

I forget why we no longer have protected cd's - not that I liked those, as I couldn't rip them for personal use, but if you want to stop piracy...

Maybe Prince fighting the touters is a viable fight, but it's one he should have started years ago, not a day before going on tour.

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^ What? I can rip every cd, the socalled "protected" included.. no problem,

I just put them down on my harddrive, from there I can make Mp3's, burn cd-r, or whatever..

thedance said:

^ What? I can rip every cd, the socalled "protected" included.. no problem,

I just put them down on my harddrive, from there I can make Mp3's, burn cd-r, or whatever..

There were different kind of protection.

I still can't rip the 'fly on the wall' cd from Let It Be-naked for instance, I had to download that illegally...

SchlomoThaHomo said:

jaawwnn said:

what's so interesting about Prince talking about his $$$$$$$$$, his wealth...

I usually skip every interview with Prince, they are usually very un-interesting.

There was a time (the 80s-90s) when I would buy every magazine (and book) to hear what he had to say.. not anymore.

Basically Prince is saying the same over and over.... bah.. so boring..

Yeah boring like some people on the org saying the same thing over and over , week on week , month on month , year on year.

thedance said:

I would also argue that if you're the one not allowing your words to be recorded, you can't come back and claim people misunderstood your take on a subject. If accuracy is important, let a journalist record an interview with you. Don't forbid RECORDINGS and then complain about how the internet has ruined RECORDS.

Pentacle said:

Artists not making enough money is a legitimate concern of course, but in these 'download-for-free' days neither artist nor record company can really solve that.

Didn't you say in another thread that you hadn't paid for any of the music you've stolen from Prince and Tidal? - How does that sit with your "cause for concern"?

I forget why we no longer have protected cd's - not that I liked those, as I couldn't rip them for personal use, but if you want to stop piracy...

Because they didn't work. They were cracked before they gained any popularity. They also drove up piracy because people couldn't rip their own CDs so they used P2P & Torrents.

Maybe Prince fighting the touters is a viable fight, but it's one he should have started years ago, not a day before going on tour.

lol

SoulAlive said:

Marrk said:

Why should musicians expect to get rich? It's a fucking hobby job, not brain surgery. Prince is wealthy enough. He's always banging the same old drum.

You bring up an interesting point.Alot of *people in the entertainment business feel like they're entitled to be multi-millionaires.Teachers make far less money and I don't see them complaining.

*Successful

...unless you can name someone who hasn't be successful yet still feels entitled... no?

how rich could Prince be from the internet if he sold all those rehearsals/demos/live shows ???????

funksterr said:

Noodled24 said:

Pentacle said:

Artists not making enough money is a legitimate concern of course, but in these 'download-for-free' days neither artist nor record company can really solve that.

Didn't you say in another thread that you hadn't paid for any of the music you've stolen from Prince and Tidal? - How does that sit with your "cause for concern"?

wellllll let's just say I pay for music that's worth paying for.

If Prince had put HitnRun on Spotify I would have listened to it there.

(When I saw I had to give Tiday my credit card details, I didn't bother anymore.

Forget to cancel and you're paying for effin 'Stare'.)

I'd happily pay for PR30 and cd's from the vault though...

Pentacle said:

Noodled24 said:

Didn't you say in another thread that you hadn't paid for any of the music you've stolen from Prince and Tidal? - How does that sit with your "cause for concern"?

wellllll let's just say I pay for music that's worth paying for.

And you steal the rest, because even through you deem it "not worth paying for" you still want a copy of it.

If Prince had put HitnRun on Spotify I would have listened to it there.

(When I saw I had to give Tiday my credit card details, I didn't bother anymore.

Forget to cancel and you're paying for effin 'Stare'.)

Yeah, I'm sure every shoplifter every caught WOULD have paid for it if...

I'd happily pay for PR30 and cd's from the vault though...

No you wouldn't.

I'm willing to bet that if I searched, I'd find a post from you claiming you'd buy Hit&Run if it was available on CD... then it was made available on CD... so you move the goalposts again. Now you had to illegally download it because it wasn't on the Ad-Supported version of Spotify.

Does somebody want to call the Billy Goats Gruff and let them know it's safe to cross the bridge now?

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What I would like to know is, why do the artists think that they deserve to get rich off of the rotten music they're putting out there?