OldFriends4Sale said:

How does Christopher Tracey's Parade feel underdeveloped?

When I first heard it, it sounded like an explosion of colors, there were sound coming from everywhere. What could actually be added to make it sound 'developed?
* remember it was developed to fit a piece in the film Under the Cherry Moon.
1.) Do you think it filled the spot well?

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New Position: pulling from Carribean influences (Lisa and/or Wendy pulled this one out of the vault via 81) Wendy was skilled on the steel drums. Carribbean music of this vein tends to be more stripped. What could actually be added to make it sound 'developed?'
1.) Do U think it filled the spot in the movie well?
2.) I think having the band playing in the movie @ Mary Sharon's party would have definately made the movie much better

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I Wonder U

I heard the piece before the strings and many other instruments were added. And I LOVE it, it's very raw and steamy. With all the added instruments, I love it even more, it feels like a whirlwind of desire, poetic, chic. And if it was longer I think it would have taken something away. It's shortness makes me want it more. I didn't like the added piece on the tour so much. I wish it would have been allowed to continue to build musically with some breathing and orgasm, maybe some electric guitar(like AnotherLover or the Flesh session cut:Up From Below) But what could have been done to make it fell 'developed'?
1.) Do you think it fit the scene in the movie?

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Under the Cherry Moon
Perfectly stripped. You hear it in different parts of the movie including the opening intro(before An Honest Man) I love the sharp crispness of the song. Prince showing more of his piano over guitar skills.

1.) Do U think it fit the scene(s) in the movie?

Listening 2 Sometimes It Snows in April and hearing the squeaking and tinging of the guitar strings and piano keys

parade is fantastic, tip to tail. may even be my favorite straight through (barring dream factory / crystal ball*).

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anotherloverholenyohead is stellar, just stellar, the background preceding the lead, so good

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mountains' imagery is amazing

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i wonder u is just fucking sexy

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*crystal ball, the song, is far and away my favorite anything and i can't even talk about it right now

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I will say it again Parade is a masterpiece in my opinion , i don't think any songs sound underdeveloped. I hope my opinion makes nobody cry and don't get butt hurt to person who has a problem with people's opinions in this thread who love Parade.

OldFriends4Sale said:

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New Position: pulling from Carribean influences (Lisa and/or Wendy pulled this one out of the vault via 81) Wendy was skilled on the steel drums. Carribbean music of this vein tends to be more stripped. What could actually be added to make it sound 'developed?'
1.) Do U think it filled the spot in the movie well?
2.) I think having the band playing in the movie @ Mary Sharon's party would have definately made the movie much better

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Any definite info on who plays the steel drums on the labum?

why do morons keep arguing ...everyone has their opinion on the music they like..

luvsexy4all said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

How does Christopher Tracey's Parade feel underdeveloped?

When I first heard it, it sounded like an explosion of colors, there were sound coming from everywhere. What could actually be added to make it sound 'developed?
* remember it was developed to fit a piece in the film Under the Cherry Moon.
1.) Do you think it filled the spot well?

.

New Position: pulling from Carribean influences (Lisa and/or Wendy pulled this one out of the vault via 81) Wendy was skilled on the steel drums. Carribbean music of this vein tends to be more stripped. What could actually be added to make it sound 'developed?'
1.) Do U think it filled the spot in the movie well?
2.) I think having the band playing in the movie @ Mary Sharon's party would have definately made the movie much better

.

I Wonder U

I heard the piece before the strings and many other instruments were added. And I LOVE it, it's very raw and steamy. With all the added instruments, I love it even more, it feels like a whirlwind of desire, poetic, chic. And if it was longer I think it would have taken something away. It's shortness makes me want it more. I didn't like the added piece on the tour so much. I wish it would have been allowed to continue to build musically with some breathing and orgasm, maybe some electric guitar(like AnotherLover or the Flesh session cut:Up From Below) But what could have been done to make it fell 'developed'?
1.) Do you think it fit the scene in the movie?

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Under the Cherry Moon
Perfectly stripped. You hear it in different parts of the movie including the opening intro(before An Honest Man) I love the sharp crispness of the song. Prince showing more of his piano over guitar skills.

1.) Do U think it fit the scene(s) in the movie?

Listening 2 Sometimes It Snows in April and hearing the squeaking and tinging of the guitar strings and piano keys

An awesome description of "Parade" songs.

I'll admit I disliked -- even hated -- "Parade" at first and could not understand the Org's love affair with this album. And then one day (soon after "ATWIAD" had clicked), "Parade" clicked. I realized what a fucking amazing album it was, and how bold he was for releasing something like this in 1986 as a major pop superstar. The album is divine, imo. Only complaint I would have is that it's too short. He should have added several tracks. I try to customize it like:

01) An Honest Man
02) Christopher Tracy's Parade
03) New Position
04) I Wonder U
05) Under the Cherry Moon
06) Mia Bocca
07) Love or Money
08) Girls and Boys
09) Sexual Suicide
10) Life Can Be So Nice
11) Kiss
12) Venus De Milo
13) Do U Lie
14) Old Friends 4 Sale
15) All My Dreams
16) Mountains
17) Anotherloverholenyohead
18) Sometimes It Snows in April
19) Heaven (would have been an amazing ending track, imo, to both the film and album)

It flows well like this too.

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CharismaDove said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Listening 2 Sometimes It Snows in April and hearing the squeaking and tinging of the guitar strings and piano keys

An awesome description of "Parade" songs.

I'll admit I disliked -- even hated -- "Parade" at first and could not understand the Org's love affair with this album. And then one day (soon after "ATWIAD" had clicked), "Parade" clicked. I realized what a fucking amazing album it was, and how bold he was for releasing something like this in 1986 as a major pop superstar. The album is divine, imo. Only complaint I would have is that it's too short. He should have added several tracks. I try to customize it like:

01) An Honest Man
02) Christopher Tracy's Parade
03) New Position
04) I Wonder U
05) Under the Cherry Moon
06) Mia Bocca
07) Love or Money
08) Girls and Boys
09) Sexual Suicide
10) Life Can Be So Nice
11) Kiss
12) Venus De Milo
13) Do U Lie
14) Old Friends 4 Sale
15) All My Dreams
16) Mountains
17) Anotherloverholenyohead
18) Sometimes It Snows in April
19) Heaven (would have been an amazing ending track, imo, to both the film and album)

It flows well like this too.

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I'm putting this together now 2 have a listen

Sexual Suicide and Girls & Boys are perfect back 2 back

Yes Heaven would have been a perfect ending

No Alexis de Paris?

I always thought A Love Bizarre would have been beautiful in the movie during a party scene

And once I heard (Junk Music) I always have to put Junk Music I II or Do U Want More in it...

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Yes Parade is a work of art and I agree it moved so fast. Ended way too soon just like the Parade era. Amazing music when you can still feel the freshness of

i have never heard junk music but i want to do one of these compilations now

ahhhhh, just found it. it's like an extended madhouse riff, no? v nice, v good

starkitty said:

ahhhhh, just found it. it's like an extended madhouse riff, no? v nice, v good

I believe we hear junk music a couple times in Under the Cherry Moon

I love the Flesh sessions.

First song on the Crystal Ball album says... These are the days of Wild

But truly, when Crystal Ball emerged, the days of Wild seemed to have passed

The times of ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT.... those were the true days of Wild

Those were the days when the man seemed to unable to make a mistake in his music

At least for my listening

Everything else has seemed a detatchment from real life

He says he has never left his listeners behind

But his preachiness is better done in the privacy of friends

I would rather the music go back to the intimate roots of those days

Stop trying overreach politically, and theologically

Sing about real relationships again, and real feelings.

(also, don't brag so much in the music, no one buys that shit)

CharismaDove said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Listening 2 Sometimes It Snows in April and hearing the squeaking and tinging of the guitar strings and piano keys

An awesome description of "Parade" songs.

I'll admit I disliked -- even hated -- "Parade" at first and could not understand the Org's love affair with this album. And then one day (soon after "ATWIAD" had clicked), "Parade" clicked. I realized what a fucking amazing album it was, and how bold he was for releasing something like this in 1986 as a major pop superstar. The album is divine, imo. Only complaint I would have is that it's too short. He should have added several tracks. I try to customize it like:

01) An Honest Man
02) Christopher Tracy's Parade
03) New Position
04) I Wonder U
05) Under the Cherry Moon
06) Mia Bocca
07) Love or Money
08) Girls and Boys
09) Sexual Suicide
10) Life Can Be So Nice
11) Kiss
12) Venus De Milo
13) Do U Lie
14) Old Friends 4 Sale
15) All My Dreams
16) Mountains
17) Anotherloverholenyohead
18) Sometimes It Snows in April
19) Heaven (would have been an amazing ending track, imo, to both the film and album)

It flows well like this too.

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Yeah but then it becomes Sign O The Times... a double album, a magnus opus... it would change the spirit and dynamic of the album entirely. Sometimes less is more. I see where you're coming from... so many great tracks could have been there (those you've added but also Alexa De Paris or Splash or Others Here With Us or Mountain's extended version)...

But I think Parade is just one of Prince's most perfect album as a whole, it's more than the sums of its parts, it is perfectly balanced as a work of art: any change in tracklist or length could endanger this fragile, perfect balance.

+ to me it's a bit like saying Emancipation would have been better as a simple album, I think it's such a strong denial of the very essence of the project that it makes little sense.

KingSausage said:

Maybe all those additional tracks will be on Disc 2 of the deluxe Parade remaster set.

databank said:

CharismaDove said:

An awesome description of "Parade" songs.

I'll admit I disliked -- even hated -- "Parade" at first and could not understand the Org's love affair with this album. And then one day (soon after "ATWIAD" had clicked), "Parade" clicked. I realized what a fucking amazing album it was, and how bold he was for releasing something like this in 1986 as a major pop superstar. The album is divine, imo. Only complaint I would have is that it's too short. He should have added several tracks. I try to customize it like:

01) An Honest Man
02) Christopher Tracy's Parade
03) New Position
04) I Wonder U
05) Under the Cherry Moon
06) Mia Bocca
07) Love or Money
08) Girls and Boys
09) Sexual Suicide
10) Life Can Be So Nice
11) Kiss
12) Venus De Milo
13) Do U Lie
14) Old Friends 4 Sale
15) All My Dreams
16) Mountains
17) Anotherloverholenyohead
18) Sometimes It Snows in April
19) Heaven (would have been an amazing ending track, imo, to both the film and album)

It flows well like this too.

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Yeah but then it becomes Sign O The Times... a double album, a magnus opus... it would change the spirit and dynamic of the album entirely. Sometimes less is more. I see where you're coming from... so many great tracks could have been there (those you've added but also Alexa De Paris or Splash or Others Here With Us or Mountain's extended version)...

But I think Parade is just one of Prince's most perfect album as a whole, it's more than the sums of its parts, it is perfectly balanced as a work of art: any change in tracklist or length could endanger this fragile, perfect balance.

+ to me it's a bit like saying Emancipation would have been better as a simple album, I think it's such a strong denial of the very essence of the project that it makes little sense.

That's true I agree with your post.

On another note, I usually see people add "Others Here with Us" on to their Parade playlists.. I never really thought it clicked with this era (even though it was recorded at the same time). I think maybe it's a little gothic for an album/era like Parade

OldFriends4Sale said:

CharismaDove said:

An awesome description of "Parade" songs.

I'll admit I disliked -- even hated -- "Parade" at first and could not understand the Org's love affair with this album. And then one day (soon after "ATWIAD" had clicked), "Parade" clicked. I realized what a fucking amazing album it was, and how bold he was for releasing something like this in 1986 as a major pop superstar. The album is divine, imo. Only complaint I would have is that it's too short. He should have added several tracks. I try to customize it like:

01) An Honest Man
02) Christopher Tracy's Parade
03) New Position
04) I Wonder U
05) Under the Cherry Moon
06) Mia Bocca
07) Love or Money
08) Girls and Boys
09) Sexual Suicide
10) Life Can Be So Nice
11) Kiss
12) Venus De Milo
13) Do U Lie
14) Old Friends 4 Sale
15) All My Dreams
16) Mountains
17) Anotherloverholenyohead
18) Sometimes It Snows in April
19) Heaven (would have been an amazing ending track, imo, to both the film and album)

It flows well like this too.

[Edited 10/7/15 18:58pm]

I'm putting this together now 2 have a listen

Sexual Suicide and Girls & Boys are perfect back 2 back

Yes Heaven would have been a perfect ending

No Alexis de Paris?

I always thought A Love Bizarre would have been beautiful in the movie during a party scene

And once I heard (Junk Music) I always have to put Junk Music I II or Do U Want More in it...

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Yes Parade is a work of art and I agree it moved so fast. Ended way too soon just like the Parade era. Amazing music when you can still feel the freshness of

I forgot all about that one! Great song

it's a good album..won't say masterpiece though... UTCM needed a smooth guitar solo instead of a piano solo...Christopher Tracey's Parade is a stupid song...Do U lie? is a horrible song as well as Venus De Milo... you would of figured after all the great material he was recording at that time and those 2 clunkers got on the album...who knows?

avasdad said:

it's a good album..won't say masterpiece though... UTCM needed a smooth guitar solo instead of a piano solo...Christopher Tracey's Parade is a stupid song...Do U lie? is a horrible song as well as Venus De Milo... you would of figured after all the great material he was recording at that time and those 2 clunkers got on the album...who knows?

Maybe u should consider stayin' off the internet for some time? Some time it's good to take a break Just sayin'

I forgot, It's A Beautiful Day is heard in Under the Cherry Moon as well

KingSausage said:

Must be one of them Springsteen fans...

OldFriends4Sale said:

I forgot, It's A Beautiful Day is heard in Under the Cherry Moon as well

True.

databank said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I forgot, It's A Wonderful Day is heard in Under the Cherry Moon as well

True.

When, exactly? I don't believe that title was in the end credits, and I'd like to check it out.

I still can't hear Old Friends 4 Sale anywhere in that movie.

eyewishuheaven said:

databank said:

True.

When, exactly? I don't believe that title was in the end credits, and I'd like to check it out.

I still can't hear Old Friends 4 Sale anywhere in that movie.

An instrumental portion of the track was included as background music in the Under The Cherry Moon movie, in a scene where Tricky and Christopher Tracy are arguing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

eyewishuheaven said:

When, exactly? I don't believe that title was in the end credits, and I'd like to check it out.

I still can't hear Old Friends 4 Sale anywhere in that movie.

An instrumental portion of the track was included as background music in the Under The Cherry Moon movie, in a scene where Tricky and Christopher Tracy are arguing.

the "you got l-aid" scene?

avasdad said:

it's a good album..won't say masterpiece though... UTCM needed a smooth guitar solo instead of a piano solo...Christopher Tracey's Parade is a stupid song...Do U lie? is a horrible song as well as Venus De Milo... you would of figured after all the great material he was recording at that time and those 2 clunkers got on the album...who knows?

Good taste is seldom innate, you have to be exposed to a lot of music, classical, ethnical, and good ol' rock'n'roll. It takes a lifetime.
Aside from opinions, there's musical culture.

So fuck democracy, fuck diplomacy.

You good sir, must listen to the entire Beatles catalog and know it by heart before you can deem CTP "stupid".

The piano solo in UTCM is a lesson in minimalism. All comes from the silence in between the chords played, not the chords themselves.

Do U Lie is a miracle which Skipper was clever enough not to rehash, in his whole career (and God knows it's a vast catalog). His best Macca impression.

And Venus de Milo, is a state of grace. Displace one phrase, there would be diminishment, as Milos Forman's Salieri would say. Prince and Clare were a match made in heaven.

Underdeveloped? That's like saying the studio version of 4 The Tears In Your Eyes lacks big fat snares and heavy metal guitars.

Parade is the ultimate musical crossover.
Special Thanks to Joni, Lisa and Wendy, and probably the whole Revolution to make Skipper want to be an european. Classical strings, accordions, voozaytraybell and all that jazz.

I mean, when he got tired of it, when he thought it was time to be a 100% american again, we got Graffiti Bridge and Tony Mosley. Ugh...

Luckily, Batman had him still a foot into Lovesexy.

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