homesquid said:

putting aside the fact he's an arrogant, selfish asshole (disappointing indeed) I, like many fans, feel he lost what made him so special from 1979-1989. The decline began with Batman and except for the TGE he hasn't released one album out of way too many that holds it's own to his classic era. Post-WB he really lost his mystique with so much mediocrity and zero quality control. New Prince songs used to be an exciting prospect but for the past two decades it's mostly miss.

Just too much unecessary product.

I don't agree with the bolded comment because there are so many songs that I can skip and not miss while others praise:

Housequake (luv the SoTT video performance but the song itself feels like manufactured funk)

Play in the Sunshine (never did anything for me)

... at least two dozen others that bore me...

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But I get off on Batdance, Violet the Organ Grinder, and Ain't Gonna Miss U When You're Gone and I've read posts by others that don't like those joints at all.

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There are a handful of artists that I feel compelled to devour all their work, even if it doesn't 'click' with me right away.

When Prince passes away, if that goes according to natural causes will be before me, who knows what will or will not be released from the Vault so I actually feel like every album and song is a gift.

Except Baltimore, that song can suk it longtime....

databank said:

What irritates me is how certain people are like angry at Prince for not delivering what they expect, and will feel complelled to create a new thread nearly every week to share their anger with the world (or, I suspect, in the childish hope Prince will read it and, after a decade of seeing a "Prince is over and done" thread popping-up every week, suddenly decide to record what it is those people want, whatever it is though that they want, because no one knows.)

But that is how it's been for yearrssssssssssss on the org

luv4u said:

databank said:

What irritates me is how certain people are like angry at Prince for not delivering what they expect, and will feel complelled to create a new thread nearly every week to share their anger with the world (or, I suspect, in the childish hope Prince will read it and, after a decade of seeing a "Prince is over and done" thread popping-up every week, suddenly decide to record what it is those people want, whatever it is though that they want, because no one knows.)

But that is how it's been for yearrssssssssssss on the org

But when ur over 35 and complain about Prince for over 13 years everyday... That's just questionable behavior, on the org or not...

feeluupp said:

luv4u said:

But that is how it's been for yearrssssssssssss on the org

But when ur over 35 and complain about Prince for over 13 years everyday... That's just questionable behavior, on the org or not...

For me it isnt about the music. I do think that Prince's quality of music has taken a fall somewhat over the years, but I can live with that. If I think any music is shit I will say so. Likewise if its good. No problem, no worries. Im still here giving Prince my money (when he lets me). But what gets my goat up with Prince is what goes on outside of the music. Teases on Twitter that go nowhere, projects which were announced as imminent coming to a halt. Moving his music from one outlet to another, removing from other outlets only for it to appear there again. The continuous removal of content from the likes of YouTube, takedown notices, suing fans, shutting down fan sites, websites coming and going with little regard to the customer, album launches that ignore the album and all the cryptic nonsense that worked when I was 14, not now Im 43. Losing Housequake was a no no. Threatening to sue fans was a no no. The new WB love-in and the announcement of the PR remaster was a no no. Lotusflow3r.com was a no no.

As for the music, Im glad he is doing something different. His sound and style was becoming a bit stale for me. At least he is trying to do something fresh, even if he doesnt nail it as far as im concerned. I dont want him to give up on it just yet. I hope he applies the same thought process to his live performances because I think his live show is becoming a bit stale too. But thats another thread.

feeluupp said:

luv4u said:

But that is how it's been for yearrssssssssssss on the org

But when ur over 35 and complain about Prince for over 13 years everyday... That's just questionable behavior, on the org or not...

Some really interesting perspectives in this thread. Someone earlier who mentioned that us "oldtimers" are wanting Prince to halt the aging process, but actually I was thinking the same thing but more directed either at him or maybe some of the younger fans because I think what some of the older fans are perceiving is the feeling that Prince is the one chasing the fountain or youth, or the best ways to remain commercially viable and it feels just like that, that he is trying so hard. When he would release an album like Parade or ATWD you had a feeling that he was really proud of what he had created and that he was being true to himself as an artist. And if you could get with that, then great, and if not, then he understood that too but he was still proud of his creation. If some of these newer releases catches some commercial success, then good for him whether I personally like them or not. For me, the newer stuff just doesn't challenge my ears enough. Too much of "popular" music today is just too repetitive and again, not challenging to my ear. So that might be why some of the latter releases just didn't do it for me. TRC I know has stirred up much discussion and I feel many may have not been able to hear it due to the struggles they may have with the strong religous compenent, but you cannot deny that is one that is certainly challenging to the ear and gives you multiple sounds, directions, tempos, instumentation. That might be what is so missing with some of the newer material for me anyway.

I certainly cannot know if deep in his heart he genuinely feels good about this finished product or any of the other recent projects, but if he is, and he is really being true to himself as an artist, then good for him. But if he looks at himself in the mirror and feels that he is just "chasing it" then that might be what some of us older fans are feeling. For me, I feel like Lotus Flower was something he really put his heart into creating.

But I also I empathize with the struggle of still being in the "popular" music scene and trying to maintain/recreate commercial success when you are pushing 60. And so I may empathize but cannot relate to how much pressure that has to be. But his formula for success is not what maybe some us are feeling that he is following, as again, he seems to be "chasing it", whether that be with apparently dating young girls, still going to clubs, trying to latch on to the flavors of the month like Jay Z, or the constant attempt at discovering the latest up and commer which never materializes.

Anyway, I think we just want him to be Prince! It is being Prince that made it that even today when he gives someone an award, or goes on a talk show, the stars around him genuinely appear to be in awe. He didn't have to try, he just did, and people may not have liked his music but respected his immense talent. Kinda long winded here, sorry!

EroticDreamer said:

homesquid said:

putting aside the fact he's an arrogant, selfish asshole (disappointing indeed) I, like many fans, feel he lost what made him so special from 1979-1989. The decline began with Batman and except for the TGE he hasn't released one album out of way too many that holds it's own to his classic era. Post-WB he really lost his mystique with so much mediocrity and zero quality control. New Prince songs used to be an exciting prospect but for the past two decades it's mostly miss.

Just too much unecessary product.

I don't agree with the bolded comment because there are so many songs that I can skip and not miss while others praise:

Housequake (luv the SoTT video performance but the song itself feels like manufactured funk)

Play in the Sunshine (never did anything for me)

... at least two dozen others that bore me...

-

But I get off on Batdance, Violet the Organ Grinder, and Ain't Gonna Miss U When You're Gone and I've read posts by others that don't like those joints at all.

-

There are a handful of artists that I feel compelled to devour all their work, even if it doesn't 'click' with me right away.

When Prince passes away, if that goes according to natural causes will be before me, who knows what will or will not be released from the Vault so I actually feel like every album and song is a gift.

Except Baltimore, that song can suk it longtime....

Don't get me wrong...over the past 25 years he has released enough good songs in my book to fill up 2 cds. I do not expect him to be at the same level he was in his prime. His prime is one of the greatest primes any pop artist has had. There can be no denying that beginning with D&P he began to follow trends instead of setting them. Nevertheless I still dug that album and the followup annd even Come/TGE but after that the magic was gone. I'm open minded and I give each new release a fair shot but I admit what I'm really interested in is his 1978-1989 output remasterd. The only thing I sorta hold against him is his awful attitude towards his fans and his assholish behavior to all associated artists (like not letting the Time use their firgin name- what a tosser Prince can be).

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[Edited 9/15/15 14:58pm]

luv4u said:

databank said:

What irritates me is how certain people are like angry at Prince for not delivering what they expect, and will feel complelled to create a new thread nearly every week to share their anger with the world (or, I suspect, in the childish hope Prince will read it and, after a decade of seeing a "Prince is over and done" thread popping-up every week, suddenly decide to record what it is those people want, whatever it is though that they want, because no one knows.)

But that is how it's been for yearrssssssssssss on the org

I can only speak for myself. And speaking for myself, I honestly don't give a damn about Prince's "new" music. What keeps me here and coming back for more isn't about that, at all. It's about his older music from when he was beyond any shadow of doubt fucking FANTASTIC!

My expectation though is honestly NOT for him to try and recreate that because as demonstrated with his recent "experiments", that ain't happening. My expectation is for him to make good on his claim to free the music (as in release - not give away ) that had been already recorded and shelved way back when, once he was out from under WBs and it was people like me that were keeping his bills paid and cheering him on, when the media and the Johnny-come-latelys couldn't and wouldn't be bothered with caring what the hell happened to him from 1996 to 2006.

Without such a loyal and supportive fanbase that 10 year period could have proven to be quite catastrophic. But instead of the freed music, for the last 9 years--with the exception of the Musicology CD and a few other individual good tunes like "Black Sweat" and "Song Of The Heart"-- all we've been getting are his experiments, half ass efforts, protege props, diss records, whack websites, jerked around and milked like cash cows whenever he needs a quick buck. That's where the anger comes from and the need to share with the world.

[Edited 9/16/15 3:48am]

i dont understand this thread....been there since '83 aand will always enjoy the ride..even with the bumps

I hate HitnRun with a passion. I listened to all the songs once, and will never listen to them again.

But you know what I tell my friends? "Hey, the guy has put out about 1,000 songs that I like, and 11 that I don't. That's a pretty damn great ratio and I'm sure more great songs will come sooner or later".

so stfu & thank me 4 letting u ride n the lil red >>>>

[Edited 9/17/15 17:46pm]