Interesting tweet though. Shows he's aware of the negative reviews. Just wish he realised it wasn't because the music to too experimental, but because its rubbish.

tab32792 said:

TheQuest said:

@Prince3EG:

"An artist needs to explore beyond their own garden. You can't keep planting the same seeds where flowers are already blooming. WORD."

Like I said on the other thread, the thing is that there are way too many throwback noises on this record for it to be defined as experimental. The other thing to remember about gardens is that "weeds" can be a problem if one doesn't take proper care.

Quite a few weeds in the Hit N Run garden IMO. Prince would be well advised to treat this as a teachable moment for the younglings in his charge.

BartVanHemelen said:

Rebeljuice said:

I have no problem with Prince embracing EDM. But the kind of EDM he is embracing is the shitty, diluted crap that is found in the charts. That is a bastardised version of EDM to start with. If you absorb shit, you are going to excrete shit. The EDM I have wanted Prince to absorb (since the 90's) has been the underground variety. The places where the pioneers are inventing and evolving the genre. The stripped down, raw and unsullied EDM that isnt sprinkled with commercial fluff. The real thing. Sure, there are not too many vocals about but I am not asking Prince to copy the genre. I would just like to see him absorb it, embrace it and then see what he can do with it. I like what Prince is trying to do, but his starting point is all wrong.

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His starting point is "what is selling? what is popular?" -- hence the crap on HNR. And since he's too cheap to actually hire David Guetta and the like, he has an acolyte imitate something already crappy and derivative and it just becomes shit-squared.

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That still doesn't explain the godawful lyrics, though.

Then listen to INDIFFERENCE.

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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His starting point is "what is selling? what is popular?" -- hence the crap on HNR. And since he's too cheap to actually hire David Guetta and the like, he has an acolyte imitate something already crappy and derivative and it just becomes shit-squared.

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That still doesn't explain the godawful lyrics, though.

Then listen to INDIFFERENCE.

i think i might...if i didn't have to jump through a buncha damn hoops to do it....

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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His starting point is "what is selling? what is popular?" -- hence the crap on HNR. And since he's too cheap to actually hire David Guetta and the like, he has an acolyte imitate something already crappy and derivative and it just becomes shit-squared.

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That still doesn't explain the godawful lyrics, though.

Then listen to INDIFFERENCE.

Bart will never acknowledge the wonderful lyrics in that song, it would go against his believes of Prince the last 25 years.

babynoz said:

funkomatic said:

tab32792 said:

he doesn't get it and neither do most ppl praising the new album.. i don't want another lovesexy. i sure as hell don't want another purple rain. i don't want the old ass revolution to reuinte either. i want good music. has nothing to do with wanting old prince. the new shit is just toilet water. that dance music shit is cool when done well (Daft Punk, Pharrell, Jamie Lidell, etc) but this....no.

This I actually understand. But: Prince has to begin somewhere. He's an old man who ignored the development of popular music for a very long time, thinking his conventional musical approach is better than anything else (of course it's not!). In the end he felt the need to give in with Rap, sampled and electronic music becoming more and more popular. . Still: I'm sceptical about his motifs. If he wants to create a masterpiece one more time, he really has to go deep and embrace a new musical approach. It's not enough to let Josh do the job. It's not enough to do one album with this style and another one with another one. You have to have a clear vision and lots of dedication. Prince is kind of a beginner when it comes to the direction we hear on HnR.

THIS ALL DAY. He needs to lock himslef in the studio with his instruments & all the software toys and learn them inside out. He needs to listen and exlore the genres to figure out whats good and why. There's alot of great musci in the house/edm arena....he's done himslef a disservice by ignoring it.

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funkomatic said:

babynoz said:

Like I said on the other thread, the thing is that there are way too many throwback noises on this record for it to be defined as experimental. The other thing to remember about gardens is that "weeds" can be a problem if one doesn't take proper care.

Quite a few weeds in the Hit N Run garden IMO. Prince would be well advised to treat this as a teachable moment for the younglings in his charge.

Sorry, you can't be serious about this? It's disgusting how many throwback noises you can find on his other albums.

See, this is where an ability to read is helpful. babynoz didn't say anything for or against throwback noises. S/he said their widespread use on this album precluded it from being defined as "experimental."

Genesia said:

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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His starting point is "what is selling? what is popular?" -- hence the crap on HNR. And since he's too cheap to actually hire David Guetta and the like, he has an acolyte imitate something already crappy and derivative and it just becomes shit-squared.

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That still doesn't explain the godawful lyrics, though.

Then listen to INDIFFERENCE.

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Is that goign to update the lyrics? No. So what is your point?

Guitarhero said:

feeluupp said:

Then listen to INDIFFERENCE.

Bart will never acknowledge the wonderful lyrics in that song, it would go against his believes of Prince the last 25 years.

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If Prince doesn't want me to hear it, I can't be bothered.

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I also doubt it is any good, considering you lot have been hyping the dumbest shit as "genius" over and over again.

I agree with the sentiment of the metaphor but HITNRUN is basically Prince planting seeds in the flowerbed of a community that is full of flowers of the same kind, which makes his harder to stand out from the rest of the garden. Again, I don't begrudge Prince for recording music in the style of electronic dance music but if you are going to do it, freak it and put your spin on to the point where it's a genuine synthesis of your style with EDM, pop and hip hop.

I'm all in for something new. Problem is there isn't enough of it. Most of us who don't despise it are talking about tracks 1-4 and June. The other tracks have either been released as singles, on other albums, or just remixes. That's not what I call new or experimental.

Tell it to the people P!

WORD

TheQuest said:

@Prince3EG:

"An artist needs to explore beyond their own garden. You can't keep planting the same seeds where flowers are already blooming. WORD."

you don't... WORD ... yourself.

if it were "An artist needs to explore beyond their own garden. You can't keep planting the same seeds where flowers are already blooming." WORD. that would make sense.

starkitty said:

TheQuest said:

@Prince3EG:

"An artist needs to explore beyond their own garden. You can't keep planting the same seeds where flowers are already blooming. WORD."

you don't... WORD ... yourself.

if it were "An artist needs to explore beyond their own garden. You can't keep planting the same seeds where flowers are already blooming." WORD. that would make sense.

I've looked all over twitter and don't see where he said this. Perhaps he took it down.

SmiggyG said:

S3V3N said:

Different garden? In Cher's yard maybe - how is this album NOT Prince's "Cher comeback"? .

Actually, Cher's "Believe" album was pretty good while Prince's latest is absolutely horrible. I can see why you might compare the two though because on the first two or three tracks on his latest album, he does seem to be going a little of the route of her album.

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Actually, on some of the fast songs at the beginning of the album, they might sound decent if he would have just kept his damn mouth shut on the tracks and have them as instrumentals. But unlike Cher who actually sang the lyrics to her songs, he choose to act a complete idiot and rap them instead. And not only did he rap them, but he chose to rap them with all the ignorant terminology these little brats use these days and with the attitude that they use making him sound like a complete idiot and ruining the music behind it too.

funkomatic said:

babynoz said:

Like I said on the other thread, the thing is that there are way too many throwback noises on this record for it to be defined as experimental. The other thing to remember about gardens is that "weeds" can be a problem if one doesn't take proper care.

Quite a few weeds in the Hit N Run garden IMO. Prince would be well advised to treat this as a teachable moment for the younglings in his charge.

Sorry, you can't be serious about this? It's disgusting how many throwback noises you can find on his other albums.

Helloooo, that is exactly why I say the record cannot be called EXPERIMENTAL! If you think it is, please elaborate?

Experimental would be new sounds or sounds used in new ways or different combinations and that is not what's happening here.

babynoz said:

funkomatic said:

babynoz said:

Helloooo, that is exactly why I say the record cannot be called EXPERIMENTAL! If you think it is, please elaborate?

Experimental would be new sounds or sounds used in new ways or different combinations and that is not what's happening here.

This is exactly what is happening. There's lots of new elements and combinations not heard before in Prince's music. People complain that HNR doesn't even sound like a Prince album anymore. No discussion, from Prince's point of view: this is definitely experimental. The fact that he has an producer is already an experiment.

I'm referring moreso to the actual sounds that he's working with though. Something being new to Prince doesn't mean it's new to the rest of us.

And don't get me started on the heavy handed use of said noises....the overall effect is overkill. I'm not one of the serial haters, just not crazy about this particular effort.

CockRoach said:

That's no excuse for doing modern EMD music or whatever the fuq it's called This is just going along with what everyone else is doing. The young, raw and real Prince wouldn't do this shit. He'd make a new sound.. I guess since he's old he can't be so creative anymore. Not his fault, shit like that happens as you age and his age is showing nowadays [Edited 9/9/15 15:35pm]

Unfortunately - I am starting to think you are correct. No matter how much someone may like the new stuff, if they know Prince, they can not say with any integrity that it is innovative and cutting edge: the hallmarks of Prince that made him the greatest single musician artist on the planet.

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

Then listen to INDIFFERENCE.

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Is that goign to update the lyrics? No. So what is your point?

I could say the same about you posting the same negativity about Prince for over 13 years on this site... But what's the point.

Rebeljuice said:

With all the bad reviews, I wonder if things are a little awkward at Paisley Park with Prince and Josh.

S3V3N said:

Rebeljuice said:

I have no problem with Prince embracing EDM. But the kind of EDM he is embracing is the shitty, diluted crap that is found in the charts. That is a bastardised version of EDM to start with. If you absorb shit, you are going to excrete shit. The EDM I have wanted Prince to absorb (since the 90's) has been the underground variety. The places where the pioneers are inventing and evolving the genre. The stripped down, raw and unsullied EDM that isnt sprinkled with commercial fluff. The real thing. Sure, there are not too many vocals about but I am not asking Prince to copy the genre. I would just like to see him absorb it, embrace it and then see what he can do with it. I like what Prince is trying to do, but his starting point is all wrong.

The thing is, Prince (and the Time) is actually cited as being a big influence on the early Detroit and Chicago house pioneers. Listen to Cool or Controversy, those right there are four to the floor club bangers. Prince helped start things off. And now he is looking to the commercial, bastardised versions of the genre for influence. He should get his ass underground and hear what EDM is really upto away from all the fanfare. Who knows, maybe he could influence this new generation of pioneers.

. Agreed. There are better inspirations. But I don't think the God Squad has the stomach to venture into the real clubland. Seems less challenging to get their education from the radio. . Around 2005, LCD Soundsystem's fist release sounded very Prince inspired. The sparse funk of the disco punk revival called to mind Dirty Mind/1999. Losing My Edge sounds inspired by All The Critics Love U In NY. Too bad it was never reciprocated. .

LCD Soundsystem... Awsome. Now there is an example of how to actually experiment. You can hear influences throughout the music from Prince to Talking Heads, but it is a sound unique to them and James Murphy inparticular. Some other bands that have delved into the dance scene and come out with their own take on things, from the top of my head: Hotchip, Basement Jaxx, Leftfield, Daft Punk, Faithless.... shit man, even Radiohead went there. The point is, they drew influence from it and created their own take on it. They didnt just come up with four to the flour bangers but crafted songs with structure and harmonies etc. It can be done without going anywhere near what is deemed mainstream, and they managed to be successful with it too. If Prince is serious about taking this electronic sound further, which I hope he is, then I hope he looks at where the source of the music comes from and doesnt take anymore inspiration from the stuff that has already bastardised it and sprinkled fairy dust on top of it. He can bastardise it himself and sprinkle his own fairy dust on it and come up with a genuinely Princesque variation which would be both innovative and experimental.

Unfortunately, I think youre right, the god squad neither have knowledge of it nor any inclination for it. Im not sure that they are even curious about invention. They do what they are told and introduce Prince to the only music they know. Prince is clearly looking for something new and fresh, he is just looking in the wrong place.

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xpertluva said: