starkitty said:

sonicfreak said:

There is a lyric on the album that makes no sense logically. "Sometimes I think I was born too late. Should have been born on the Woodstock stage." Prince was born in 1958. Woodstock was in 1969. If Prince wanted to be born on the Woodstock stage he was born too EARLY.

sounds like he means born as a performer.

Thank you for translating for the metaphorically challenged.

EddieC said:

djThunderfunk said:

I was thinking you were applying for Bart's job, but then you said you like 20Ten, so, no...

Oh, no. KingSausage is most defintely neither the opposite KCOOL nor a pseudoBart. They're far more predictable. KS will reiterate his opinions in many ways, frequently scatological--but until he actually announces his opinion the first time, it's a complete mystery how he's gonna feel about anything. That's why he's entertaining: unpredictable but intense reactions.

Yes, I know. And that is exactly why his opinion counts, because it's based on the work being discussed and not predictably preselected like the other 2 you mentioned.

I was just yanking his chain a bit since he was coming so hard (and repeatedly) with his dislike of this one.
I expect KS knows I'm not trying to start anything.It's all good!

joyinrepetition said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What? NO!

An X has been a kiss since before the dawn of time.

EngishGent, think about it, when you hug someone, you cross arms around the other person, thus the X=Hugs. When you pucker your lips to kiss someone, your lips form a circle or O, making O=Kisses. Pretty simple explaination.

Your argument makes sense but, nonetheless, you are still incorrect.

antonb said:

Fa twigs and the like music is boring as hell. I tried to like it but I end up putting prince back on! Yes even Hitnrun!

Eh fair enough, different strokes and all that. I still don't see how this could be described as "experimental" by pretty much anyone's metric though, it's not like Prince hasn't tried house and dance experiments before, with pretty mixed results.

Actually I wasn't being wholly fair in my previous post, I do enjoy HARDROCKLOVER, 1000 X's & 0's and JUNE, but you have to wade through a lot of (annoyingly enjoyable) dancey dreck to get to them.

KingSausage said:

EddieC said:

Oh, no. KingSausage is most defintely neither the opposite KCOOL nor a pseudoBart. They're far more predictable. KS will reiterate his opinions in many ways, frequently scatological--but until he actually announces his opinion the first time, it's a complete mystery how he's gonna feel about anything. That's why he's entertaining: unpredictable but intense reactions.

Plus dick jokes.

You so nutty!

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Some sick part of me is starting to like this record. And I'm feeling dirty because of it.

Prince has some serious balls to put himself out there for the kids like this. It's like a 60 year old deciding to try BASE jumping. Serious potential for embarrassment, injury (ego), or even death (career).

Your first statement is exactly how I feel lol. In my head I know this album is bad, but when I'm actually listening I kind of like it in some weird way. IDK how I feel about this, maybe I have horrible taste in music after all

What I find most egregious about this record though is how Prince has invited to Paisley Park in recent times both fka twigs and Kendrick Lamar, two of the most progressive and interesting musicians who can still be said to be working within the contemporary mainstream musical landscape. But by contrast, Prince's new "experimental" album is comprised almost solely of lame mid-2000s dance production. It's hard to understand the disconnect there.

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I feel like being shuttered away in the Paisley cocoon isn't going to give anyone an idea of what's really fresh, or new, or "hot." Just because you have a bunch of youngsters around you doesn't mean you're not all breathing each other's recycled air.

And who's going to tell Prince his shit is wack? No matter how cool they try to act, Kendrick and FKA Twigs (or whomever, really) are still going to be awed by his presence.

And technically, "mid-2000s dance" is experimental for Prince. You could say that anything he hasn't tried is experimental really. It would incredible to hear him do something inventive again, though. Even just once more.

HitNRun: Well, it is different from anything Prince has ever released. So, I am not bitching. That's what I look for... something he has never done before. But of course, I don't want a polished turd either.

If I had one complaint on this album, it IS NOT the music at all, it's just... the shallow ass lyrics.

Maybe he didn't want to waste good lyrics on this experiment. I could understand that.

The music is good though. I like the grooves.

Don't you all remember the days, like when listening to 1999, and saying, none of these songs really sound the same... wow... and none of his albums really sound the same. That has always been one of the reasons I keep coming back.

It's a damn beautiful journey.

GoldStandard said:

What some people need to think about is that Prince used to sound "too modern" back in 1984 to most middle-aged+ people.

He's always used the most modern sounds available to him!

Uh....was he making shit hop in the 1980s? Huge difference in the way the Linn drum machine and strong handclaps sound as an added accent along with real drums and bass over the weak Fisher Price sounding machines of today which dominate absolute everything. Also, along with ignorant illiterate sounding talking, not singing, over it.

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Sounding modern in a era when modern sounds good is way different than sounding modern in an era when sounding modern sounds worse than it ever has in the history of recorded music.

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Prince himself has bitched repeatedly about music being a bunch of of computerized sounding nonsense and has had a built in audience for decades that buy every single thing he does on the day it's released without even hearing it first so he's not hurting for money. However, his built in audience is not the mainstream anymore so while he doesn't hurt for money, their money doesn't bring him the "relevancy" in the mainstream world of today that he seems to want so desperately still be a part of. So what does he do? He starts making music that sounds like everything else on the radio these days, in an era when music on the radio sounds worse than it ever has, and makes a complete fool of himself in his lyrics also trying to sound just as silly and ignorant as them. He couldn't beat 'em so he joined 'em. He has been whipped and beaten and has become a complete bore these days.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Some sick part of me is starting to like this record. And I'm feeling dirty because of it.

Prince has some serious balls to put himself out there for the kids like this. It's like a 60 year old deciding to try BASE jumping. Serious potential for embarrassment, injury (ego), or even death (career).

But I think this sound is dated, kids would laugh at this and not like it. Look at the charts, theres a lot more cool music out there. I think the Weeknd "Can't Feel My Face" has a great melody and what a kick ass bass line! That's a funky cool song, and its what the kids like.

DMSR said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Some sick part of me is starting to like this record. And I'm feeling dirty because of it.

Prince has some serious balls to put himself out there for the kids like this. It's like a 60 year old deciding to try BASE jumping. Serious potential for embarrassment, injury (ego), or even death (career).

But I think this sound is dated, kids would laugh at this and not like it. Look at the charts, theres a lot more cool music out there. I think the Weeknd "Can't Feel My Face" has a great melody and what a kick ass bass line! That's a funky cool song, and its what the kids like.

Oh absolutely. I still feel like it's a ballsy move, though. I like that he's still ballsy. Even if the end result is a little poignant.

DMSR said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye wonder when is Josh coming out with his own album?

he just did. Prince was on a few of the vocals.

paulludvig said:

Zannaloaf said:

I think josh is a decent producer - for someone else. Or for someone who understands this music.
Prince has made the mistake of thinking he needs hip production when in reality good songwriting and lyrics is the problem. A guy who can make crap sound clean and well recorded is not the issue.
Actualy this would be decent if the vocals were rmoved. I'd roll it in the background.
Y'all blaming the wrong guy.

Of course the worst thing about the album is Prince's contribution

Pretty much.
He has been the consistent thing about his records for the last few years - the problem.
The best track on this record is from the vault. He needs to focus less or trying to be "relevant" and write some good songs to be experimatla with. These "jams" and ha;f ideas are embarrassing to someone who has his skillset and ability to collaborate with ACTUAL talent that might kick him in the pants musically instead of simply turning the knobs on weak material.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye wonder when is Josh coming out with his own album?

He just did, mate....

SchlomoThaHomo said:

DMSR said:

But I think this sound is dated, kids would laugh at this and not like it. Look at the charts, theres a lot more cool music out there. I think the Weeknd "Can't Feel My Face" has a great melody and what a kick ass bass line! That's a funky cool song, and its what the kids like.

Oh absolutely. I still feel like it's a ballsy move, though. I like that he's still ballsy. Even if the end result is a little poignant.

Ya, I agree, he is trying to mix it up, even if hes out of touch and picking the wrong collaborators.

DMSR said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Some sick part of me is starting to like this record. And I'm feeling dirty because of it.

Prince has some serious balls to put himself out there for the kids like this. It's like a 60 year old deciding to try BASE jumping. Serious potential for embarrassment, injury (ego), or even death (career).

But I think this sound is dated, kids would laugh at this and not like it. Look at the charts, theres a lot more cool music out there. I think the Weeknd "Can't Feel My Face" has a great melody and what a kick ass bass line! That's a funky cool song, and its what the kids like.

Hang on, I've got Tidal now, I can check this out...

Quite like it actually. This is where Hitnrun should have been, the production tricks and sound effects are there but they are just hanging there, not in your face. Not sure about the bass being 'kick ass' though.

Certainly better than some other things I've seen reference recently. I checked out the latest D'Angelo album a couple of days ago and could stand it.

Stranger said:

BobGeorge909 said:

DMSR said:

But I think this sound is dated, kids would laugh at this and not like it. Look at the charts, theres a lot more cool music out there. I think the Weeknd "Can't Feel My Face" has a great melody and what a kick ass bass line! That's a funky cool song, and its what the kids like.

I heard it five minutes ago. I didn't like it at all. I didn't hear a kick ass baseline or a great melody.

Check out the VMA perfomance, it has a dramatic beginning that grabs the whole crowd, then the bass kicks in, and you can see everyone dancing along, the lyrics are pretty cool, to me that was like a "Billie Jean" performance the way he held the crowd.

DMSR said:

For all you youngsters out there, do you still say "Mack"? I remember that song "Return of the Mack" in the early 90's, great tune, but isn't the saying "Mack" dated now? Am I missing something?

I don't know of anyone regularly saying Mack since the 70s and we never used that word to refer to a female.

I don't know how the younglings in Minneapolis use the word but it sounds dated and irksome to me.

BobGeorge909 said:

DMSR said:

But I think this sound is dated, kids would laugh at this and not like it. Look at the charts, theres a lot more cool music out there. I think the Weeknd "Can't Feel My Face" has a great melody and what a kick ass bass line! That's a funky cool song, and its what the kids like.

I heard it five minutes ago. I didn't like it at all. I didn't hear a kick ass baseline or a great melody.

I just (tried to) listen to it and only made it a minute and a half in. Now I know what the Weeknd sounds like... I wasn't missing anything.


Now get off my damn lawn!

terrig said:

i'm watching the syracuse concert from 1985. the mans legacy is safe. and will be safe forevermore.

he could poop on the stage for the next 30 years and his legacy will stand.

please get off princes back, enjoy this current piece of perfectly disposable pop, and realize what we ask of him has already been satisfied.

let the man live and enjoy his later years --- i love being a fan, and i love him. no one is superhuman forever.

be a fan. step back and enjoy, there's something for everyone

Ya, it's all gravy now. I'm cool because I'll probably love the next release. It's a weird pattern I've had throughout his entire career of loving an album, but not the one that follows it.

babynoz said:

terrig said:

i'm watching the syracuse concert from 1985. the mans legacy is safe. and will be safe forevermore.

he could poop on the stage for the next 30 years and his legacy will stand.

please get off princes back, enjoy this current piece of perfectly disposable pop, and realize what we ask of him has already been satisfied.

let the man live and enjoy his later years --- i love being a fan, and i love him. no one is superhuman forever.

be a fan. step back and enjoy, there's something for everyone

Ya, it's all gravy now. I'm cool because I'll probably love the next release. It's a weird pattern I've had throughout his entire career of loving an album, but not the one that follows it.

I never thought about that! I see that pattern too. I remember I was the first at my high school to buy "Around the World in a Day", and the whole bus was waiting for me to play it on the boombox. The loved Purple Rain and 1999 and had heard Raspberry Beret and were all excited to her the whole album (tape). I had heard it already and was like, guys I don't think this is bus cranking material like Purple Rain or 1999. I played it anyway and everyone was like

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Some sick part of me is starting to like this record. And I'm feeling dirty because of it.

Prince has some serious balls to put himself out there for the kids like this. It's like a 60 year old deciding to try BASE jumping. Serious potential for embarrassment, injury (ego), or even death (career).

That's pretty much what I think he's doing....giving the kids a chance. If this helps Josh and Co. understand what not to do it won't be a wasted experience.

DMSR said:

babynoz said:

Ya, it's all gravy now. I'm cool because I'll probably love the next release. It's a weird pattern I've had throughout his entire career of loving an album, but not the one that follows it.

I never thought about that! I see that pattern too. I remember I was the first at my high school to buy "Around the World in a Day", and the whole bus was waiting for me to play it on the boombox. The loved Purple Rain and 1999 and had heard Raspberry Beret and were all excited to her the whole album (tape). I had heard it already and was like, guys I don't think this is bus cranking material like Purple Rain or 1999. I played it anyway and everyone was like

I tell ya...

DMSR said:

Congrats to our musical genius leader for another round of music, thank you for still being in the mix. Allowing fans in your Studio/Residence, im assuming theres living space there ive never been there,awesome, what a wonderful opportunity for all who went. Im jealous.

I havent heard this music yet, so is it music you can blast on the way to work n rock out to?

Is it great shake your ass on a dance floor jams ? Intimate music for the knocking it out moments w your sign other music.

Would it sound awesome in a concert ? Or is it gonna have to be listened to n grow on you to find things. Experimentaly new? It's not rehashed w scarlet pussy voices n things heard before is it? ..

till I hear it woohoo new music yah bitchin.

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hifidelity67 said:

Congrats to our musical genius leader for another round of music, thank you for still being in the mix. Allowing fans in your Studio/Residence, im assuming theres living space there ive never been there,awesome, what a wonderful opportunity for all who went. Im jealous.

I havent heard this music yet, so is it music you can blast on the way to work n rock out to?

Is it great shake your ass on a dance floor jams ? Intimate music for the knocking it out moments w your sign other music.

Would it sound awesome in a concert ? Or is it gonna have to be listened to n grow on you to find things. Experimentaly new? It's not rehashed w scarlet pussy voices n things heard before is it? ..

till I hear it woohoo new music yah bitchin.

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all of the above, imo

OK so I'll add my piece even though I don't think anyone will care after so many other reviews. Usually my first impression on an album, particularly a Prince album, is very temporarily. I'll get more intimate with it and either it'll grow on me or I'll get tired with it soon.

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First I didn't know what to expect: as I said before I'm mitigated regarding AOA, for despite liking the songs indivudually I think the album is less than the sum of its parts. My first impression after hearing HnR a few times is that AOA was either too much of Josh or not enough of Josh. At least HnR is Josh all along, it's a cohesive statement with a united sound texture.

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It bears its title well: hit n run. 37 minutes is short and so are most of the tracks. It works well and at the same time it's a bit frustrating: I would have minded some tracks to develop into longer jams (I sort of had the same problem with AOA by the way).

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Now I think it's damn fresh. I'm not AT ALL into anything radio-friendly from 2015, I actually despise all that shit and listen almost only to indie stuff, so I was a bit scared. But for some reason I'm pretty hooked by the whole thing. I like the fact that the album is segued like an uninterrupted mixtape and I like the fact that it's mostly silly (I loved Plec for that same reason, the "just for fun" part). Some sounds here and there irritate me a bit because they sound too much like "LadyKeshEyedpeasBerlake" for me but that's OK, it's only a few sounds here and there.

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The songs now. There are real killers here IMHO.

Aint About 2 Stop and Like A Mack just turn my groove on: I just feel like jumping and dancing when I hear them LOUD. Nothing revolutionry there, but they fulfill their purpose, they work.

I really love Fallinlove2nite more than ever. That one really grew on me over time and at first I was a bit pissed when I read that Zoe's vocals had been removed. Surprinsingly I now feel that the song is more dynamic, somehow happier and punchier with only P on it. And still in love with those horns/string arrangements! I just wish I had a 7 minutes version of it!

1000 Hugs & Kisses is a favorite, classic bootleg so I didn't see how Josh could do anything but butcher it. Well, he didn't, that bassline is just damn irresistible and the whole thing works damn well if u ask me. It's different enough from the original to work by itself.

June is just beautiful. As in gorgeous. Just like Reflection or Way Back Home: intimate lyrics and music, deep, inspired stuff. I'm sold 100%.

The others i'm cool with, let's see which ones really grow on me but there's no song I truly dislike. This Could Be Us: I love the original so much that this one is nowhere near it IMHO, but it doesn't mean I dislike it. Mr. Nelson is totally fucked-up and unnecessary but it so much takes responsibility for being stupid that I can live with it. Million Dollar Show is a strong opener, it conveys the mood of the album pretty efficiently. Shut This Down, Hardrocklover and X's Face don't do make me jump to the ceiling but I like them OK and they might grow on me.

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One more thing that I think is worth mentioning: it's different, I mean not so much different from anything on the market but from anything Prince did before. It's a continuation of AOA but also a development of it more than a mere repetition. With the fresh garage rock of Plec and the surprisingly "unprincey" production style of Back In Time, we are clearly witnessing a new era in Prince's recording career, something that hadn't happened since the beginning of his "neo-classic Prince" era in 2004. This new phase, contrarily to what some amateur reviewers wrote, is nothing like a return to form: it's Prince moving on. For better or worse, depending on how u feel about it, but moving on. And this alone is refreshing as far as I'm concerned.

Databank, I agree with almost everything you've said. I think Ain't About to Stop and Like a Mack are terrific.

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Yep, count me into that too.... I bitched about it a little yesterday, when I'd barely heard it... but I've been listening to this a lot today, and, well, I'm enjoying the hell out of it... there's actually a lot of inventivess in there.... and I love the way the various sounds blend together into something quite cohesive... you get guitars, bass/funk workouts, digital dance/pop workouts... rock, pop, dance, funk, rap... and I have to say it sounds fresh as hell to me...

Definitely a new era in Prince's music... and certainly it was needed, the run from Musicology to 20Ten now sounds more stale than ever....(although there were a few good tunes in there)...

Anyway, that's where I stand on it right now... it's not a 'masterpiece', and it's like the record is enjoying that, just kicking back and throwing stuff out there because it just sounds good....

And I LOVE the guitar/bass/keyboard/percussion/woo! woo! breakdown at around 2min 23 into Ain't About To Stop!

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