Aerogram said:

TheEnglishGent said:

You don't seem to understand that Prince has to do exactly what they want, when they want it, otherwise it's shit, destroying his legacy, foolish, amateurish, not worthy of his name etc. They are the only ones who know what is right for Prince.

So you think they are controlling him through religion, endoctrination.... and Prince just does what they want?

A less paranoid explanation would be that he's giving them a level of freedom with his legacy, for better and for worse. It's highly unlikely he needs them to record the kind of songs you want, but he's choosing to do so because yeah, his legacy is more than secure, it's carved in stone.

Bit of misunderstanding. The 'they' I was referring to w

as the know it alls on the org

TheEnglishGent said:

Aerogram said:

Let's be honest, Prince can't sneeze into a kleenex without some of you guys thinking it was a major faux pas. Maybe it's not that serious...all the time...

He's just giving this guy he gets along with his chance and he likes what he does. He's giving this group an opportunity to learn and to teach him things. So he could have gotten any great producer out there to join him -- it's not what he wants to do.

What's the big deal, we were all given chances when we weren't quite as good yet.

I find Prince's actions to be very humanistic and principled. Whether the results will be as good as what he could have achieved with a renowned or arguably more talented producer is moot.

Do you spend time thinking about how much better For You would have been if it had been co-produced by that EWF guy as was suggested (and rejected). Back then, you could have been calling Prince a fool for not working with a more sophisticated producing talent than his young self.

You don't seem to understand that Prince has to do exactly what they want, when they want it, otherwise it's shit, destroying his legacy, foolish, amateurish, not worthy of his name etc. They are the only ones who know what is right for Prince.

Exactly,

Aerogram said:

TheEnglishGent said:

You don't seem to understand that Prince has to do exactly what they want, when they want it, otherwise it's shit, destroying his legacy, foolish, amateurish, not worthy of his name etc. They are the only ones who know what is right for Prince.

So you think they are controlling him through religion, endoctrination.... and Prince just does what they want?

A less paranoid explanation would be that he's giving them a level of freedom with his legacy, for better and for worse. It's highly unlikely he needs them to record the kind of songs you want, but he's choosing to do so because yeah, his legacy is more than secure, it's carved in stone.

Nooo dude, he was talking about the fams....that was sarcasm.

TheEnglishGent said:

Aerogram said:

So you think they are controlling him through religion, endoctrination.... and Prince just does what they want?

A less paranoid explanation would be that he's giving them a level of freedom with his legacy, for better and for worse. It's highly unlikely he needs them to record the kind of songs you want, but he's choosing to do so because yeah, his legacy is more than secure, it's carved in stone.

Bit of misunderstanding. The 'they' I was referring to w

as the know it alls on the org

Thank you. What a relief.

babynoz said:

Aerogram said:

So you think they are controlling him through religion, endoctrination.... and Prince just does what they want?

A less paranoid explanation would be that he's giving them a level of freedom with his legacy, for better and for worse. It's highly unlikely he needs them to record the kind of songs you want, but he's choosing to do so because yeah, his legacy is more than secure, it's carved in stone.

Nooo dude, he was talking about the fams....that was sarcasm.

Thank you for your sober intervention my friend.

[Edited 9/4/15 17:31pm]

Aerogram said:

babynoz said:

Nooo dude, he was talking about the fams....that was sarcasm.

Thank you for your sober intervention my friend.

[Edited 9/4/15 17:31pm]

No worries....sarcasm isn't always easy to detect on a message board.

KingSausage said:

I'm not a huge fan of what I've heard from HITNRUN so far, aside from Hardrocklover, which is good. But I liked what Josh did on AOA. I'm pessimistic about HITNRUN, but I hope I'm wrong. It would be great if I end up enjoying it as much as I still enjoy AOA.

I can cosign this, he did a good job on AOA even though musically it's nothing new, but it was new for Prince.

Once the album drops we'll know....

TheEnglishGent said:

@ this entire thread!


Come on Monday, hurry up and get here because...

OldFriends4Sale said:

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Seriously though. What the fucking hell??? Please tell me this is just something a fan did. Because there's just no way this was that badly done by a professional, not even on purpose!

Prince has always had a history of incessantly promoting whoever was the latest hot young piece of ass to strike his fancy.

Just is Andy Allo/Carmen Electra/Sheila E./Nona Gaye/et. al.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Well, since the music is 80% to 90% Josh.... I guess Prince figures he might as well do all the promotion. This is truly, typical Prince, to fuck up adding a producer to his team. I wanted someone to guide Prince better through doing what he normally does. Someone to kind of coach him back on track like a shooting-coach for an NBA player might do or a quarterback-guru for a NFL player. Instead we got someone generating beats that doesn't fit Prince's style and Prince coming in after the fact and making the same poor choices with the producer generated beats that doomed his own pure-Prince material of the last 10-15 years. To me, there is very little advantage in this arrangement.

"HardRockLover" is the track that showed me Josh-Prince are just treading water, at best. It could have been great, and just like Clouds, it failed to truly lift-off.

donnyenglish said:

I don't buy that Josh has as much control and input as what is being put out there. I don't buy that Prince is giving up control over his music and letting someone else do the music and Prince just comes in and drops some lyrics. This is the same guy that led everyone to believe that The Time performed on their albums when it was just him and Morris and The Time were actually extraordinarily talented.

What purpose would it serve to let us believe that he no longer performs on his OWN records?

It IS strange that Josh didn't get musical co-writing credits on AOA.

KingSausage said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Seriously though. What the fucking hell??? Please tell me this is just something a fan did. Because there's just no way this was that badly done by a professional, not even on purpose!

I would like Josh a lot more if he was some crazy funked out metallic shit wearing conjoined twin dude.

The hands growing out of it's chest and stomach wouldn't freak you out?

iZsaZsa said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Seriously though. What the fucking hell??? Please tell me this is just something a fan did. Because there's just no way this was that badly done by a professional, not even on purpose!

PLECTRUMELECTRUM Photography & Art Direction By Madison Dube & Jesse Draxler.

Wowwwwwwwww.

Pentacle said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

PurpleMedley122 said:

LMFAO @ those pictures. Does he think he's Timbaland with those generic-ass beats and that pose?

Those clothes are style of what Prince has worn.

The black jacket is like the one he wore at an awards show a year or 2 ago

the gold vest with the forearm bands is similar to the one he wears during live shows

Pentacle said:

donnyenglish said:

I don't buy that Josh has as much control and input as what is being put out there. I don't buy that Prince is giving up control over his music and letting someone else do the music and Prince just comes in and drops some lyrics. This is the same guy that led everyone to believe that The Time performed on their albums when it was just him and Morris and The Time were actually extraordinarily talented.

What purpose would it serve to let us believe that he no longer performs on his OWN records?

It IS strange that Josh didn't get musical co-writing credits on AOA.

But did he co-write some of the songs or just program the beats?

funksterr said:

Well, since the music is 80% to 90% Josh.... I guess Prince figures he might as well do all the promotion. This is truly, typical Prince, to fuck up adding a producer to his team. I wanted someone to guide Prince better through doing what he normally does. Someone to kind of coach him back on track like a shooting-coach for an NBA player might do or a quarterback-guru for a NFL player. Instead we got someone generating beats that doesn't fit Prince's style and Prince coming in after the fact and making the same poor choices with the producer generated beats that doomed his own pure-Prince material of the last 10-15 years. To me, there is very little advantage in this arrangement.

"HardRockLover" is the track that showed me Josh-Prince are just treading water, at best. It could have been great, and just like Clouds, it failed to truly lift-off.

Prince writes the melodies, sings and plays guitar. I would say that's more than 10% to 20%.

paulludvig said:

funksterr said:

Well, since the music is 80% to 90% Josh.... I guess Prince figures he might as well do all the promotion. This is truly, typical Prince, to fuck up adding a producer to his team. I wanted someone to guide Prince better through doing what he normally does. Someone to kind of coach him back on track like a shooting-coach for an NBA player might do or a quarterback-guru for a NFL player. Instead we got someone generating beats that doesn't fit Prince's style and Prince coming in after the fact and making the same poor choices with the producer generated beats that doomed his own pure-Prince material of the last 10-15 years. To me, there is very little advantage in this arrangement.

"HardRockLover" is the track that showed me Josh-Prince are just treading water, at best. It could have been great, and just like Clouds, it failed to truly lift-off.

Prince writes the melodies, sings and plays guitar. I would say that's more than 10% to 20%.

Josh writes the melodies, too! Josh said in one of the now, too numerous to keep track of, interviews that he starts with the melodies first, and prince simply adds his guitar and vocals, usually without touching the rest of the track.

OldFriends4Sale said:

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donnyenglish said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I don't get it either. AOA seemed like it was one of his all round best received albums on here for a good while. There were two or three tracks on there on which Prince didn't even play a single note and I'm sure Josh had a hand in most of them.

Then X's Face came out and seemed to be well received and Hardrocklover garnered more praise here than I've seen any song get for years. But he's suddenly now the musiclal devil incarnate just because the this could be us remix goes th,th,this a coupe of times. It's madness!

Get a grip people!

I don't buy that Josh has as much control and input as what is being put out there. I don't buy that Prince is giving up control over his music and letting someone else do the music and Prince just comes in and drops some lyrics. This is the same guy that led everyone to believe that The Time performed on their albums when it was just him and Morris and The Time were actually extraordinarily talented.

Why don't you buy it? I mean for a start let's clear up one thing. Josh has no control. If Josh says yes and Prince says no - Prince wins.

He has done this with Kirky J, Michael Koppleman, Hans Martin Buff, and others. I'm not sure what you're implying - are you thinking that secretly Prince is doing everything and they're just pretending Josh produced the album?

It's not like Prince isn't adding anything - Josh talked about how if Prince felt he wanted to add some Bass/Guitar then he would.

funksterr said:

Well, since the music is 80% to 90% Josh.... I guess Prince figures he might as well do all the promotion. This is truly, typical Prince, to fuck up adding a producer to his team. I wanted someone to guide Prince better through doing what he normally does. Someone to kind of coach him back on track like a shooting-coach for an NBA player might do or a quarterback-guru for a NFL player. Instead we got someone generating beats that doesn't fit Prince's style and Prince coming in after the fact and making the same poor choices with the producer generated beats that doomed his own pure-Prince material of the last 10-15 years. To me, there is very little advantage in this arrangement.

The way that's written, it sounds like you want Prince to have a care-worker not a producer. You basically hoped Prince would become Michael Jackson or Madonna? and just draft in this months hottest name? Really?

funksterr said:

paulludvig said:

Prince writes the melodies, sings and plays guitar. I would say that's more than 10% to 20%.

Josh writes the melodies, too! Josh said in one of the now, too numerous to keep track of, interviews that he starts with the melodies first, and prince simply adds his guitar and vocals, usually without touching the rest of the track.

1) - some of the melodies, the example I think he cited was that he contributed the piano melody to Way Back Home. I don't think he spoke about the vocal melody.

2) How are you proposing Prince simply adds his vocal? if the melody has already been written by Josh?

3) Never was it said Prince "Usually never touches anything else"

4) Josh said Prince handed him a hard drive with loads of different vocals on it... That would lead me to believe these are songs Prince has finished. It would be bloody strange if he'd written the lyrics, and sang the vocals and just stopped. Infact 1000 Hugs and Kisses dates back to the 90s. So we don't even know if these are new songs or just stuff taken from the vault with Josh putting a new perspective on them.

The way I see it we're taking the good with some bad with Josh. For instance, I don't think there would've been a "Way Back Home" without Josh. A song that can't really be categorized, yet is one of the standouts on AOA. On the other hand, there's FALLINLOVE2NITE (which I actually like); not Prince's greatest moment, with a heavy hand by Josh. (apparently)

Overall I'm glad Josh is a part of Prince's world -- for now.

funksterr said:

paulludvig said:

Prince writes the melodies, sings and plays guitar. I would say that's more than 10% to 20%.

Josh writes the melodies, too! Josh said in one of the now, too numerous to keep track of, interviews that he starts with the melodies first, and prince simply adds his guitar and vocals, usually without touching the rest of the track.

That is not what he said. He said he programmed the beats with the idea that they should lend themself to writing melodies. Here are some other quotes:

"It really is amazing to see him [Prince] work. When I have a beat ready that I think is funky, I‘ll send it to him, and then he’ll send it right back with vocals or a whole new arrangement for a crazy string section. Sometimes he’ll even come in and plug his guitar up right here by the soundboard and just lay something down while I’m staring at him! He’s just able to create so much. "

"Do you get several takes to choose from, or does Prince just present you with the final version?

Exactly that. He's saying, "Hey, sir, I've recorded these vocals. This is what you get."

But that gave me the opportunity to appreciate the genius of Prince. The harmonies, and where he sits on the beat, which notes he chooses, and the breaths he takes… I'm hearing all this stuff because I'm having to mix it and I can really say that he is a genius."