214 said:

KingSausage said:

214 said: You can't just reverse systematic power structures and privilege. Also, that idea is shitty.

Yes is shitty, but it won't in some decades, you might live to see

wow that would be a great world to live in

pdiddy2011 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince has made about 2-3 'statements' somehow connected to some current cop issues. But they all are always connected with his Musical venture...

That is what I find dishonest. I have no problem dealing with realities of racial injustice.

Nothing Prince said is connected with the music industry. Black have power in the music industry
Prince had it too, had his own label. Prince isn't the best manager or businessman. Racism wasn't the problem and neither was WB.

Albums Matter, remember those?

Making a statement regarding racial inequality is anyone's right, whether you think they have/had power/ownership or not.

Yes it is, who said it wasn't. but Prince doesn't give insightful thought to these 'statement's
And they are all connected to his Music Deals.
Some of my favorite interviews by Prince were actually during the 1997-198 period.
He was calm, seemed centered. And his indepth talks about Music, Sound, Instrumentations etc just captured my being. I never care for throw away comments about much. No matter who it is from. This too me comes off as baiting from Prince to get people to clap and then buy his music (via Tidal) or whatever.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pdiddy2011 said:

Making a statement regarding racial inequality is anyone's right, whether you think they have/had power/ownership or not.

Yes it is, who said it wasn't. but Prince doesn't give insightful thought to these 'statement's
And they are all connected to his Music Deals.
Some of my favorite interviews by Prince were actually during the 1997-198 period.
He was calm, seemed centered. And his indepth talks about Music, Sound, Instrumentations etc just captured my being. I never care for throw away comments about much. No matter who it is from. This too me comes off as baiting from Prince to get people to clap and then buy his music (via Tidal) or whatever.

You didn't say that right wasn't anyones, but you you said you find Prince's comments to be dishonest.

Just because you only want to hear Prince talk about music (when he seemed centered, as you put it) doesn't mean that's all that he wants (or should) talk about. He also doesn't have to go into a long, drawn out discussion for his comments not to be throw away, or be disingenuous.

It's quite possible the subject is something he wants to keep in the forefront, but maybe he isn't as articulate about speaking about it as some others.

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pdiddy2011 said:

KingSausage said:

BlackandRising said: It's not that Prince is wrong or that the American policing system doesn't have deep roots in racist structures. It's that Prince's statement offers an overly simplified and dumbed down version of the truth, which is sadly par for the course with him. The link you provided backs this up. "The birth and development of the American police can be traced to a multitude of historical, legal and political-economic conditions. The institution of slavery and the control of minorities, however, were two of the more formidable historic features of American society shaping early policing." As it makes clear, there were many factors involved in the creation of Americam policing. Not merely racist influences meant to protect white people's money. Also, that link has only two sources cited. I wouldn't call it academically rigorous.

I would think the statement was oversimplified because his intent was not to make a speech on the roots of American law enforcement. In my opinion, at its core, he is (simply) pointing out that American law enforcement has been largely nonincusive of blacks from the very beginning.

Prince is promoting his MUSIC. That is it. And he is race baiting to do it, which is disappointing.

What does bringing up the police to protect white folks, and be slave catchers have to do with TIDAL
I mean come on people, this is the definition of RACE BAITING. Prince's concern is to get you all to pay your money to TIDAL(a Black Owned) company and that is cool, but only to buy his music.
Prince had labels and websites 4 fans to buy his music and Re Yellow Black White they joined and paid. Prince's comment about the POLICe was ONLY to bait those people racked with issues of recent Police/Black shootings.

.

“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want. Any sort of ownership we have is really important,” he says about Tidal and its competition. “When you own your own community, you pay for your police department. Police were created to protect property of white folks. They were originally slave catchers. … When you get your own studio, now what are (labels) going to provide for you?”

pdiddy2011 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think Prince's focus should stay on working with #All Artists in understanding their liberties and right as Artists/Musicians. That is where his energy has been for a long time. And it is clear that that is where it is by those quotes. Artists of every ethnic group look up too him. Continue on the direction that hasn't changed in Prince. Prince is not going to get in the street and march, he isn't going to go live in an all black underpriviledged community and get them to get their own police.

I am personally happy that Prince doesn't look to you for focusing his energies.

I'm pretty sure he can work with artists rights and speak on racial equality - if he wants.

"Artists of every ethnic group look up to him." So what? They still can. And he can still have opinions about what he sees as inequality for his own specific race.

Also, its mighty presumptuous of you to say that he wouldn't march; and even if he doesn't, there are many, many things he can do to help in those communities, such as bring awareness to issues by speaking out, donating money to schools, performing in the community, etc. One more thing - he has done all those things.

He needs someone to help focus his energies. He has a passion for talking about this stuff and it is important.

.

He wouldn't march because he couldn't. He couldn't for many reason. Come on, let's be reasonable this isn't some singer who just had a hit song.
I never said he did not donate money to schools, charities and such. So I don't know why you brought that up... Any real fan knows that charities and causes Prince has helped out, especially in his home town.

pdiddy2011 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes it is, who said it wasn't. but Prince doesn't give insightful thought to these 'statement's
And they are all connected to his Music Deals.
Some of my favorite interviews by Prince were actually during the 1997-198 period.
He was calm, seemed centered. And his indepth talks about Music, Sound, Instrumentations etc just captured my being. I never care for throw away comments about much. No matter who it is from. This too me comes off as baiting from Prince to get people to clap and then buy his music (via Tidal) or whatever.

You didn't say that right wasn't anyones, but you you said you find Prince's comments to be dishonest.

Just because you only want to hear Prince talk about music (when he seemed centered, as you put it) doesn't mean that's all that he wants (or should) talk about. He also doesn't have to go into a long, drawn out discussion for his comments not to be throw away, or be disingenuous.

It's quite possible the subject is something he wants to keep in the forefront, but maybe he isn't as articulate about speaking about it as some others.

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And it is dishonest. It is race baiting to get his music sold.

If he isn't as articulate then don't articulate. When dealing with important issues it is very important to articulate so as not to spread the wrong intentions/emotions, and people are educated to understand the issues.
Police and Black folk back in the emancipation/slavery years has absolutely nothing to do with TIDAL. This statement was about Prince getting people to sign onto TIDAL to buy his music. That is a fact.

dadeepop said:

tab32792 said:

Lol I'm starting to think people forget Prince IS black. One doesn't have to just live in the common folks world to see what's going on and has been forever. Also the comments saying "why don't people just get on with it & live in peace together, etc" that's like saying all that bad shit happened years ago and we should just forget about it. Bullshit. Slavery and Jim crow weren't that long ago. And black lives matter is an important movement. The all lives matter statement is the problem. We know all lives matter but AmeriKKKA and law enforcement seem to forget about the black ones or just don't care. [Edited 9/5/15 5:06am]

The hypocrisy and historical ignorance on here...
Prince is black, so that gives him credibility when he's actually pouring gas on the situation? Yet when other honorable black people on the national scene (Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Sheriff David A. Clarke) comment on race, they're marginalized and mocked, called house negros and Uncle Toms by the so-called "racial justice" crowd. They're more black than obama bloodwise, but apparently he's been anointed the Black Jesus.

And the 3/5ths Compromise was intended to give the Southern states less power. It had nothing to do with the value of slaves' lives, but a way for the Northern states to reduce the South's influence via census. It was a way to eventually end slavery. So please stop with the ignorance. Oh, and Jim Crow laws and KKK? Creations of the Democrats.

"All lives matter" is a problem? You thinking that is the real problem. Look up "divisive." Hey, here's a BLM supporter...

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The 3/5 Compromise did, in effect, place the value of slaves at 3/5 of a person. It doesn't matter what the intent was. I most certainly agree to disagree with you on that issue.

What credibility does Prince (or anyone else black need) besides being black? He has been black for nearly 60 years, so he, and every other black person, is an expert on the issue. What makes any other people you named on your "honorable black people" list more qualified than any other black person (including Prince) to speak on what is important to that person as "a black issue"?

In my opinion, "All lives matter", as a movement, is a problem. Why? Because that statement is used to take away the significance of the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Saying that "black lives matter" as a statement points out that black lives should matter, too, as well as all the other lives that have historically shown to matter to the majority. Majority lives have consistently been shown to matter, so "Black Lives Matter" says black lives matter, too; not only the lives of the majority.

"All Lives Matter" minimizes "Black Lives Matter" and is just another way to make the ever heatening spotlight on racial injustice seem overblown. Of course all lives matter, but "Black Lives Matter" points out that black lives are/have been marginalized - and that needs to stop.

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[Edited 9/5/15 7:02am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

pdiddy2011 said:

I would think the statement was oversimplified because his intent was not to make a speech on the roots of American law enforcement. In my opinion, at its core, he is (simply) pointing out that American law enforcement has been largely nonincusive of blacks from the very beginning.

Prince is promoting his MUSIC. That is it. And he is race baiting to do it, which is disappointing.

What does bringing up the police to protect white folks, and be slave catchers have to do with TIDAL
I mean come on people, this is the definition of RACE BAITING. Prince's concern is to get you all to pay your money to TIDAL(a Black Owned) company and that is cool, but only to buy his music.
Prince had labels and websites 4 fans to buy his music and Re Yellow Black White they joined and paid. Prince's comment about the POLICe was ONLY to bait those people racked with issues of recent Police/Black shootings.

.

“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want. Any sort of ownership we have is really important,” he says about Tidal and its competition. “When you own your own community, you pay for your police department. Police were created to protect property of white folks. They were originally slave catchers. … When you get your own studio, now what are (labels) going to provide for you?”

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Unfortunately race baiting isn't an actual thing to some people. It's easier to ignore it and give in to tha feels. Now excuse me while I go flog myself for being born white in America...

RJOrion said:

im confused...i dont even know who is addressing whom anymore...or about what...

Yeah, so many ideals and statement are crossing.
I wish people could just focus on what Prince has said

But there are people who see Prince as someone who can do no wrong as well

pdiddy2011 said:

dadeepop said:

The hypocrisy and historical ignorance on here...
Prince is black, so that gives him credibility when he's actually pouring gas on the situation? Yet when other honorable black people on the national scene (Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Sheriff David A. Clarke) comment on race, they're marginalized and mocked, called house negros and Uncle Toms by the so-called "racial justice" crowd. They're more black than obama bloodwise, but apparently he's been anointed the Black Jesus.

And the 3/5ths Compromise was intended to give the Southern states less power. It had nothing to do with the value of slaves' lives, but a way for the Northern states to reduce the South's influence via census. It was a way to eventually end slavery. So please stop with the ignorance. Oh, and Jim Crow laws and KKK? Creations of the Democrats.

"All lives matter" is a problem? You thinking that is the real problem. Look up "divisive." Hey, here's a BLM supporter...

The 3/5 Compromise did, in effect, place the value of slaves at 3/5 of a person. It doesn't matter what the intent was. I most certainly agree to disagree with you on that issue.

What credibility does Prince (or anyone else black need) besides being black? He has been black for nearly 60 years, so he, and every other black person, is an expert on the issue. What makes any other people you named on your "honorable black people" list more qualified than any other black person (including Prince) to speak on what is important to that person as "a black issue"?

In my opinion, "All lives matter", as a movement, is a problem. Why? Because that statement is used to take away the significance of the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Saying that "black lives matter" as a statement points out that black lives should matter, too, as well as all the other lives that have historically shown to matter to the majority. Majority lives have consistently been shown to matter, so "Black Lives Matter" says black lives matter, too; not only the lives of the majority.

"All Lives Matter" minimizes "Black Lives Matter" and is just another way to make the ever heatening spotlight on racial injustice seem overblown. Of course all lives matter, but "Black Lives Matter" points out that black lives are/have been marginalized - and that needs to stop.

[Edited 9/5/15 7:01am]

[Edited 9/5/15 7:02am]

It's this kind of cherry picking that continues the ignorance. I never said those people were more qualified. I said that when they comment on race relations they are marginalized and mocked by hypocrites like you. But nice job twisting it and not addressing it.

"All lives matter" isn't a movement. It's a reaction by reasoned people who are more interested in unity than placing more value on one race over any other. It's a reaction to a movement that was born out of an absolute lie: "Hands up, don't shoot." The only lives marginalized in that scenario were the Indian(?) shop owner who got jacked up by Michael Brown and the cop sitting in his car who was assaulted by Michael Brown. Look up the AG's report, playa.

But please continue wallowing in your ignorance & race baiting. I know it's all warm and comfy for ya. I'm out.

OldFriends4Sale said:

controversy99 said:

Is that directed at me?

It is always indirectly directed,

But you're a moderator, right?

Let the record show that I despise you just as much as you despise me. The difference is I'm not making up filthy lies about you. Why would you interject your venom into an exchange between myself and another member just to cause problems? I was not directing anything toward controversy99 and I doubt he or she will take your bait. You ain't slick.

I suggest that your time would be better spent posting a source for that article that you were asked about more than once.

Now go ahead and pull your snip/delete routine just like you always do when somebody hands you your ass. Or just go to your default position of whining about being personally attacked.

But you will not get away with lying to controversy99 about my intent. Why the fuck you would even pull something that hateful is beyond me.

Coward.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thats not whats going on here. People are talking about the history of the American police system as it pertains to black folk. Just because we know the slave history doesnt mean we see Prince can do no wrong. Like I said before Prince has said some silly, crazy man shit in the past. This aint one of those times...

dadeepop said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince is promoting his MUSIC. That is it. And he is race baiting to do it, which is disappointing.

What does bringing up the police to protect white folks, and be slave catchers have to do with TIDAL
I mean come on people, this is the definition of RACE BAITING. Prince's concern is to get you all to pay your money to TIDAL(a Black Owned) company and that is cool, but only to buy his music.
Prince had labels and websites 4 fans to buy his music and Re Yellow Black White they joined and paid. Prince's comment about the POLICe was ONLY to bait those people racked with issues of recent Police/Black shootings.

.

“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want. Any sort of ownership we have is really important,” he says about Tidal and its competition. “When you own your own community, you pay for your police department. Police were created to protect property of white folks. They were originally slave catchers. … When you get your own studio, now what are (labels) going to provide for you?”

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Unfortunately race baiting isn't an actual thing to some people. It's easier to ignore it and give in to tha feels. Now excuse me while I go flog myself for being born white in America...

Albums. Remember those?

Albums still matter.

Like books and black lives,

albums still matter.

Tonight and always,"

Prince's religion is MuSiC, Prince's air is MuSic, Prince's culture is MuSic.

It is about PROMOTING Prince MUSIC, which is by itself great. But to Race Bait. And to pull at the heart strings of 'dem po blacks being victimized' and any others who fall in with it, is not genuine.

Prince’s new album HITNRUN will be a Tidal exclusive

Written by FACT Team on Friday, August 7 2015

“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want.

OldFriends4Sale said:

dadeepop said:

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Unfortunately race baiting isn't an actual thing to some people. It's easier to ignore it and give in to tha feels. Now excuse me while I go flog myself for being born white in America...

Albums. Remember those?

Albums still matter.

Like books and black lives,

albums still matter.

Tonight and always,"

Prince's religion is MuSiC, Prince's air is MuSic, Prince's culture is MuSic.

It is about PROMOTING Prince MUSIC, which is by itself great. But to Race Bait. And to pull at the heart strings of 'dem po blacks being victimized' and any others who fall in with it, is not genuine.

Prince’s new album HITNRUN will be a Tidal exclusive

Written by FACT Team on Friday, August 7 2015

“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want.

pdiddy2011 said:

Lol, more Blsck than Obama Black wise? In what way? By DNA, mentally, socially, politically, historically, educationally, economically or culturally? Lol. Even by DNA you couldn't prove that.


Black wise in what sense, because I had no idea there was some type of standard or requirements for how black one is suppose to be. All the individuals you mention speak from their own individual, life experiences growing up in Black culture familiar to their personal lives and upbringing, which is why they may have differences about their a Black experiences.

All Blacks do not grow up in the same Black culture, having the same political, social or religious beliefs, or even live the same economically or educationally.
They may share similar, ancestral African history, because of the Slave era, and experienced some form of racial prejudice living in America, but they all have different life values. The guy in the vid does not represent the beliefs or values of all blacks, so that does not validate the mindset of all Black Americans, as it is only one person's words and views. Fact is, during the days of slavery, there was slavery patrols. You cannot erase what happened in American history, one can only accept that many ugly things took place, during that era, and try not to repeat the errors or horrors of the past.
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murph said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah, so many ideals and statement are crossing.
I wish people could just focus on what Prince has said

But there are people who see Prince as someone who can do no wrong as well

Thats not whats going on here. People are talking about the history of the American police system as it pertains to black folk. Just because we know the slave history doesnt mean we see Prince can do no wrong. Like I said before Prince has said some silly, crazy man shit in the past. This aint one of those times...

this is not about the history of the Police system (then it should be in P&R) this is about Prince race baiting to get everyone to join TIDAL an Exclusive Deal available Sept 7 2015

.

Murph U care about black owned, don't you? Go over if you want? -Prince

.

“Both Prince and Tidal share the belief that all creatives should have the opportunity to speak directly to those that love and support them. This partnership with Prince represents Tidal’s philosophy in its truest form, a one to one connection and direct delivery of artistry to the world.”

Prince withdrew his music from all streaming services – except Tidal – without any explanation back in July.

Spotify said at the time that they were asked to remove his catalogue and hoped “to bring his music back as soon as possible.”

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is always indirectly directed,

But you're a moderator, right?

Let the record show that I despise you just as much as you despise me. The difference is I'm not making up filthy lies about you. Why would you interject your venom into an exchange between myself and another member just to cause problems? I was not directing anything toward controversy99 and I doubt he or she will take your bait. You ain't slick.

I suggest that your time would be better spent posting a source for that article that you were asked about more than once.

Now go ahead and pull your snip/delete routine just like you always do when somebody hands you your ass. Or just go to your default position of whining about being personally attacked.

But you will not get away with lying to controversy99 about my intent. Why the fuck you would even pull something that hateful is beyond me.

Coward.

That now is a post, I enjoy it, that is a lot you read into that

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

But you're a moderator, right?

Let the record show that I despise you just as much as you despise me. The difference is I'm not making up filthy lies about you. Why would you interject your venom into an exchange between myself and another member just to cause problems? I was not directing anything toward controversy99 and I doubt he or she will take your bait. You ain't slick.

I suggest that your time would be better spent posting a source for that article that you were asked about more than once.

Now go ahead and pull your snip/delete routine just like you always do when somebody hands you your ass. Or just go to your default position of whining about being personally attacked.

But you will not get away with lying to controversy99 about my intent. Why the fuck you would even pull something that hateful is beyond me.

Coward.

No worries....your misconduct has been addressed.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No worries....your misconduct has been addressed.

babynoz, U care about black owned, don't you? Go over if you want? -Prince

2elijah said:

pdiddy2011 said:

The 3/5 Compromise did, in effect, place the value of slaves at 3/5 of a person. It doesn't matter what the intent was. I most certainly agree to disagree with you on that issue.

What credibility does Prince (or anyone else black need) besides being black? He has been black for nearly 60 years, so he, and every other black person, is an expert on the issue. What makes any other people you named on your "honorable black people" list more qualified than any other black person (including Prince) to speak on what is important to that person as "a black issue"?

In my opinion, "All lives matter", as a movement, is a problem. Why? Because that statement is used to take away the significance of the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Saying that "black lives matter" as a statement points out that black lives should matter, too, as well as all the other lives that have historically shown to matter to the majority. Majority lives have consistently been shown to matter, so "Black Lives Matter" says black lives matter, too; not only the lives of the majority.

"All Lives Matter" minimizes "Black Lives Matter" and is just another way to make the ever heatening spotlight on racial injustice seem overblown. Of course all lives matter, but "Black Lives Matter" points out that black lives are/have been marginalized - and that needs to stop.

[Edited 9/5/15 7:01am]

[Edited 9/5/15 7:02am]

Lol, more Blsck than Obama lack wise? In what way? MBy DNA, mentally, socially, politically, historically, educationally, economically or culturally? Lol. Even by DNA you couldn't prove that. Black wise in what sense, because I had no idea there was some type of standard or requirements for how black one is suppose to be. All the individuals you mention speak from their own individual, life experiences growing up in Black culture familiar to their personal lives and upbringing, which is why they may have differences about their a lack experiences. All Blacks do mot grow up in the same Black culture, having the same political, social or religious beliefs, or even live the same economically or educationally. They may share s dimilar, ancestral African history, I because of the Slave era, and experienced some form of racial prejudice living in America, but they all have different life values. The guy in the vid does not represent the beliefs or values of all blacks, so that dies not validate the mindset of all Black Americans, as it is only one person's words and views. Fact is, during the days of slavery, there was slavery patrols. You cannot erase what happened in American history, one can only accept that many ugly things took place, during that era, and try not to repeat the errors or horrors of the past,

Have you guys noticed that all of a sudden any and every miscreant that somebody can dig up on the internet is now labeled as a BLM supporter? SMDH.

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

No worries....your misconduct has been addressed.

babynoz, U care about black owned, don't you? Go over if you want? -Prince

First Blackandrising asked about the reference for the article that you posted three times in this thread. I also asked for a source or link for the same article. Are you going to source your post or continue baiting?

Some people want to discuss Prince's specific statement. Others want to discuss larger issues. The streams are getting crossed. Nuke this thread from orbit.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well take that up with the moderators; homie. Its obvious Prince was trying to make the connection between black ownership in music and the history of black folks being view less than the very same property that cops were sworn to protect. It is what it is...no disrespect of course...
[Edited 9/5/15 8:14am]

This, people, is what the quote is all about. Before He Created the Music, He Lived Every Bit Of It

.

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babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz, U care about black owned, don't you? Go over if you want? -Prince

First Blackandrising asked about the reference for the article that you posted three times in this thread. I also asked for a source or link for the same article. Are you going to source your post or continue baiting?

I posted the link for Blackandrising in reply 97 on page 4

murph said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

this is not about the history of the Police system (then it should be in P&R) this is about Prince race baiting to get everyone to join TIDAL an Exclusive Deal available Sept 7 2015

.

Murph U care about black owned, don't you? Go over if you want? -Prince

.

“Both Prince and Tidal share the belief that all creatives should have the opportunity to speak directly to those that love and support them. This partnership with Prince represents Tidal’s philosophy in its truest form, a one to one connection and direct delivery of artistry to the world.”

Prince withdrew his music from all streaming services – except Tidal – without any explanation back in July.

Spotify said at the time that they were asked to remove his catalogue and hoped “to bring his music back as soon as possible.”

Well take that up with the moderators; homie. Its obvious Prince was trying to make the connection between black ownership in music and the history of black folks being view less than the very same property that cops were sworn to protect. It is what it is...no disrespect of course... [Edited 9/5/15 8:14am]

Homie? lol haven't heard that one in while
Naw Murph, I'm saying if it was about that we would have had it in P&R, but it is about Prince's promotional endevours with Tidal

no disrespect expressed buddy

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think if he only cared about selling records he wouldn't be telling "fans" to fuck off elsewhere.

iZsaZsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Albums. Remember those?

Albums still matter.

Like books and black lives,

albums still matter.

Tonight and always,"

Prince's religion is MuSiC, Prince's air is MuSic, Prince's culture is MuSic.

It is about PROMOTING Prince MUSIC, which is by itself great. But to Race Bait. And to pull at the heart strings of 'dem po blacks being victimized' and any others who fall in with it, is not genuine.

Prince’s new album HITNRUN will be a Tidal exclusive

Written by FACT Team on Friday, August 7 2015

“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want.

I think if he only cared about selling records he wouldn't be telling "fans" to fuck off elsewhere.

Yeah I guess so. Control is a bigger thing.
A few things happening in Prince world right now. Some we don't know about
His promotion/ownership control at times seem to be contradictory.
I think it was back in the mid/late 90s? He said he didn't mind fans sharing the 'boots' as long as people didn't sell or make money off of them.
I don't see why, he would remove his music from all other avenues of purchase.

dadeepop said:

pdiddy2011 said:

The 3/5 Compromise did, in effect, place the value of slaves at 3/5 of a person. It doesn't matter what the intent was. I most certainly agree to disagree with you on that issue.

What credibility does Prince (or anyone else black need) besides being black? He has been black for nearly 60 years, so he, and every other black person, is an expert on the issue. What makes any other people you named on your "honorable black people" list more qualified than any other black person (including Prince) to speak on what is important to that person as "a black issue"?

In my opinion, "All lives matter", as a movement, is a problem. Why? Because that statement is used to take away the significance of the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Saying that "black lives matter" as a statement points out that black lives should matter, too, as well as all the other lives that have historically shown to matter to the majority. Majority lives have consistently been shown to matter, so "Black Lives Matter" says black lives matter, too; not only the lives of the majority.

"All Lives Matter" minimizes "Black Lives Matter" and is just another way to make the ever heatening spotlight on racial injustice seem overblown. Of course all lives matter, but "Black Lives Matter" points out that black lives are/have been marginalized - and that needs to stop.

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It's this kind of cherry picking that continues the ignorance. I never said those people were more qualified. I said that when they comment on race relations they are marginalized and mocked by hypocrites like you. But nice job twisting it and not addressing it.

"All lives matter" isn't a movement. It's a reaction by reasoned people who are more interested in unity than placing more value on one race over any other. It's a reaction to a movement that was born out of an absolute lie: "Hands up, don't shoot." The only lives marginalized in that scenario were the Indian(?) shop owner who got jacked up by Michael Brown and the cop sitting in his car who was assaulted by Michael Brown. Look up the AG's report, playa.

But please continue wallowing in your ignorance & race baiting. I know it's all warm and comfy for ya. I'm out.

Wow, you get upset when you don't get your way!

Cherry picking? You spoke to Prince's credibility - which speaks to qualification. I apologize for using a word you didn't approve of beforehand.

If people keep using "All Lives Matter" the way it has been lately, that "reaction" could easily be labled a movement - but you call it what you like. You claim it is a reaction by "reasoned people"; actions/activities by a group of people many times make up what is referred to as a "movement", but hey, you're the wordsmith.

We obviously look at the "All Lives Matter", "reaction", as you put it, completely differently. I look at the reaction as an offense taken by people who feel they've been insulted because some people in their race are being called on the carpet for their racist behavior. "All Lives Matter" wants to focus on unity? I don't think so. "All Lives Matter" wants to be offended instead of saying yes, there's a problem, let's fix it.

Next, I believe the Black Lives Matter initiative began after the Trayvon Martin incident (not the Michael Brown incident you referenced as the beginning of the movement); it continued in the wake of the Michael Brown incident.

I don't have to race bait. The issues are the issues. If there isn't a racial inequality/police discrimination/profiling issue, you tell me and back that up with some evidence. Making a statement to further awareness and meaningful change is about helping your community and being a good citizen. Just because some people don't want to hear it doesn't make it race baiting.

Race baiting tends to involve anger and intimidation. Which one of us, between me and you, really sounds like a race baiter?

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Gotcha. Im just trying to point out the musical connection of the Midget's quote that set off this clusterfuck thread. Lol