BlackandRising said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do you really think I care what u personally feel/think about me?

lol why would I care if you care what I personally feel/think about you? I'm simply stating what I personally feel/think about you. Take it however you please.

Because U felt the need to announce it.

I amended my post:

the bubble that Prince fans need to step away from is that racial one about Police

I didn't need him to say that for me to think about joining the site to buy the album

How much is it this time?

OldFriends4Sale said:

BlackandRising said:

lol why would I care if you care what I personally feel/think about you? I'm simply stating what I personally feel/think about you. Take it however you please.

Because U felt the need to announce it.

I amended my post:

the bubble that Prince fans need to step away from is that racial one about Police

I didn't need him to say that for me to think about joining the site to buy the album

How much is it this time?

announcing it would have been something like starting an actual thread about it. I simply made a comment in a thread as to what I thought about you. I don't think Prince cares about what you need or don't need him to say. I hope he starts caring even less.

BlackandRising said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Because U felt the need to announce it.

I amended my post:

the bubble that Prince fans need to step away from is that racial one about Police

I didn't need him to say that for me to think about joining the site to buy the album

How much is it this time?

announcing it would have been something like starting an actual thread about it. I simply made a comment in a thread as to what I thought about you. I don't think Prince cares about what you need or don't need him to say. I hope he starts caring even less.

Album Matter
remember those?
September 7th 2015
sign up, Tidal

HitNRun

OldFriends4Sale said:

BlackandRising said:

announcing it would have been something like starting an actual thread about it. I simply made a comment in a thread as to what I thought about you. I don't think Prince cares about what you need or don't need him to say. I hope he starts caring even less.

Album Matter
remember those?
September 7th 2015
sign up, Tidal

that's awesome. I'll bet you have gb's of prince pics

dadeepop said:

BlackandRising said:

he said what? He must be over using that Paco Rabinni becasue his mind is fried... funny how he is all anti gun and anti police but hires cops with guns at his shows....

pureTsexy said:

I liked prince better when he was "raceless". I'm personally tired of him playing the race card. I've followed him since 1982, been a die hard fan since '89, seen him multiple times in concert, and own everything he's ever released ... actually owned everything 3 times due to my 1st collection being destroyed, and my 2nd collection being stolen. Oh, and I'm a white man, supporting a black artist... go figure. I realize there's racism in this country, but to hear a guy like Prince complaining about it, like it effects him, on a regular basis over the past decade or so, is just ridiculous. He was a black 17 yr old boy who was given the keys to the kingdom at WB. He was given a movie deal before he was even a megastar. He was allowed to do the Batman soundtrack despite his flop of Lovesexy, and the pulling of the Black Album. He was given the largest record deal in the music industry in 92..Then complained about it for years. He has had everything hes ever wanted out of this business, despite his bad decisions.. yet he complains about racism like his color has had some kind of negative impact on his career. Drop the drama, Prince. Go back to claiming you're black/white/Italian and whatever else you claimed to be back in your prime. I love you man... but enough with the race card.

Prince was never "raceless". he's been black since 1958.

babynoz said:

pureTsexy said:

BlackandRising said:

So let me get this straight; because you've followed him since 82, been to several concerts, own each album 3 times over, etc., etc., and because he was "raceless" in the past, his speaking out about race now is playing...the race card? LMAO

See, this is why there can never be an adult discussion aroudn these things. I sincerely hope Prince becomes more amd nore adamant about acticulating these messages.

And I really think Prince recognizes this about his past and this is a delibrate attempt to divest himself of this exact type of thinking from his fans. This one post perfectly captures the issue with these threads and, IMHO, his fan base.

I'm hoping that he's thinking along the lines of, if you want to live in the past, more power to you. But I'm moving on, if you don't want to hang, peace out.

Maybe he does recognize the whole race thing he pulled in the past, but you have to admit, he talks about this way too much. How are black artist suffering these days? They're the highest paid and biggest sellers in the industry. He always brings up race while talking about his music or contracts. Now, if wants to just discuss the problem with racism as a whole, then so be it. But just lay off trying to connect it to him and his music, or the music of other black artists.

No, he talks about it way to little. you obviously don't understand what he's saying if your rationale for why he shouldn't be doing this around music is that black artists are " the highest paid and biggest sellers in the industry". And he brings up race in the context through which he views it...should he bring it up around something he's not a player in? Astrophysics perhaps? It's laughable that your issue is that he's relating it to music, which has literally been his life.

I'm quoting this from the link below about Tidal
Tidal is consequently now the first major music service to be owned by artists themselves, and claims to pay higher royalties to artists and songwriters.

Now I think Prince could have really connected with this part, because it sorta has connection with his long term campaign for artists owning their own music. That line ^ vs the Police line...
I would have taken a more positive notice...

.

Albums. Remember those?

Albums still matter.

albums still matter.

Tonight and always,"

.

Prince’s new album HITNRUN will be a Tidal exclusive

Written by FACT Team on Friday, August 7 2015

“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want.

Our Verdict

Tidal is a superb music streaming service, ideal for anyone with a penchant for hi-fidelity audio. For everyone else, it's worth taking up the one week trial to see if the added quality is worth the extra cash.

For

• Fantastic sound quality
• Excellent apps
• HD music videos
• Easy music discovery

Against

• Costs 19.99 per month
• Library has some gaps
• Search needs optimising
• Some iOS niggles

Tidal has changed since we first reviewed it seven months ago.

It used to be a plucky new underdog from the makers of WiMP in Sweden, a Spotify-like streaming service with a unique focus on CD-quality music.

It was a shining beacon of opportunity for music lovers who coveted sound quality over everything else; a chance to combine the convenience and mobility of Spotify with the fidelity and prestige of a CD collection.

But while Spotify remains to this day a plucky upstart from Sweden, albeit a rather popular one these days, Tidal has since been acquired by little-known rap star "Jay Z" (ahem) for 56 million American dollars.

Tidal is consequently now the first major music service to be owned by artists themselves, and claims to pay higher royalties to artists and songwriters.

Whether it actually does that or not is unproven, and certainly the controversial American relaunch earlier in 2015 - during which Jay Z dished out shares in the service live on stage not to young, up-and-coming musicians but to some of the wealthiest artists on the planet including wife Beyoncé, Coldplay and Madonna - is seen by some as a curious way of achieving its stated aim.

But whatever your opinion on that, Tidal as a CD-quality alternative to Spotify and a high-quality rival to Deezer Elite remains a compelling proposition and one thoroughly worthy of your consideration.

How much does Tidal cost?

When it launched at the back-end of 2014, Tidal cost £19.99/$19.99 for the CD quality service, but seven months on, the service now operates a two-tier system.

Tidal Premium now matches Spotify's Premium price of 9.99 per month and offers music at the same bitrate - 320kbps. That's lossy but still not too bad compared to an MP3 at a lower bitrate.

To get the "lossless high fidelity" sound Tidal hangs its hat on, you'll still need to shell out 19.99 a month for a "Tidal HiFi" membership.

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/music/tidal-1270607/review

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he said what? He must be over using that Paco Rabinni becasue his mind is fried... funny how he is all anti gun and anti police but hires cops with guns at his shows....

this is in line with right-wingers saying that because Obama wants sensible gun control, then he should remove his bodyguards or take their guns. What passes for logic these days is is simply heartbreaking.

PurpleSkipper58 said:

I wonder how Hannah, Ida and Donna feels about this? And Wendy & Lisa, and Doctor Fink, Eric Leads, Allen Leads, Susan Rogers, and others..

they should feel extremely priveleged...for a couple different reasons

pdiddy2011 said:

BlackandRising said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he said what? He must be over using that Paco Rabinni becasue his mind is fried... funny how he is all anti gun and anti police but hires cops with guns at his shows....

this is in line with right-wingers saying that because Obama wants sensible gun control, then he should remove his bodyguards or take their guns. What passes for logic these days is is simply heartbreaking.

when someone like prince says take all the guns away i say You first. and you are misuing the word logic...

2elijah said:

You are correct, BLM started after Trayvon was murdered, not when Mike Brien was murdered. Off-topic for just a bit but: I believe the reason why many don't get the 'BLM' term, is because they are not making an effort to understand the reason behind the phrase. They allow their egos to get in the way of comprehending it. If all lives mattered, then bad police wouldn't immediately use the shoot-to-kill tactic, towards unarmed Black males, upon 1st approach, if they didn't already have a negative, stereotyped mindset of Bkack males possibly being armed. If they were properly trained and some cops not bring their stereotyped views of all unarmed Black males, to the job, and instead, use trained, alternative measures, as many do when they approach unarmed, non-Black males, then maybe there would be a different public reaction to these situations, but it's been too much of s pattern over the years. That's just the hard ntruth.

Trayvon was not murdered. I do not know the Mike Brien case? Or was that a typo? Brown? Mike Brown was also not murdered.


and in nether case (assuming Mike Brown) did the shooter immediately shoot much less shoot to kill. that is the kind of willful ignoring of facts that makes your opinion on such matter suspect.


But the rice case was such a case as was John Crawford they sure shot pretty much Immediately...

OnlyNDaUsa said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BlackandRising said:

this is in line with right-wingers saying that because Obama wants sensible gun control, then he should remove his bodyguards or take their guns. What passes for logic these days is is simply heartbreaking.

when someone like prince says take all the guns away i say You first. and you are misuing the word logic...

lol this is a headshaker. he's a songwriter. they use their imagination. When he sings about a blue sailboat taking you away from your dreams he's not being literal. maybe in this instance he's singing about what a world would be like if there were no guns as there'd be a shitload less violence in the world even though he knows it's an impossiblity

i am sure there were slave catchers but it is just silly to say that before slavery in North America there was no such thing as police. Now maybe what prince meant to say was prior to such there were few such officials in the colonies or country but there were police... and remember prince also claims that George Washington was not the first president of the united states because under the AOC there was a position with a similar name... and he belives in chem trails too... he is delusional and a conspiracy loon.

I bet he also thinks that slavery of afericans was invented by white people...

and that Black people were once legaly only 3/5 of a person

OnlyNDaUsa said:

2elijah said:

pdiddy2011 said:

Wow, you get upset when you don't get your way!

Cherry picking? You spoke to Prince's credibility - which speaks to qualification. I apologize for using a word you didn't approve of beforehand.

If people keep using "All Lives Matter" the way it has been lately, that "reaction" could easily be labled a movement - but you call it what you like. You claim it is a reaction by "reasoned people"; actions/activities by a group of people many times make up what is referred to as a "movement", but hey, you're the wordsmith.

We obviously look at the "All Lives Matter", "reaction", as you put it, completely differently. I look at the reaction as an offense taken by people who feel they've been insulted because some people in their race are being called on the carpet for their racist behavior. "All Lives Matter" wants to focus on unity? I don't think so. "All Lives Matter" wants to be offended instead of saying yes, there's a problem, let's fix it.

Next, I believe the Black Lives Matter initiative began after the Trayvon Martin incident (not the Michael Brown incident you referenced as the beginning of the movement); it continued in the wake of the Michael Brown incident.

I don't have to race bait. The issues are the issues. If there isn't a racial inequality/police discrimination/profiling issue, you tell me and back that up with some evidence. Making a statement to further awareness and meaningful change is about helping your community and being a good citizen. Just because some people don't want to hear it doesn't make it race baiting.

Race baiting tends to involve anger and intimidation. Which one of us, between me and you, really sounds like a race baiter?

[Edited 9/5/15 8:28am]

[Edited 9/5/15 8:29am]

You are correct, BLM started after Trayvon was murdered, not when Mike Brown was murdered. Off-topic for just a bit but: I believe the reason why many don't get the 'BLM' term, is because they are not making an effort to understand the reason behind the phrase. They allow their egos to get in the way of comprehending it. If all lives mattered, then bad police wouldn't immediately use the shoot-to-kill tactic, towards unarmed Black males, upon 1st approach, if they didn't already have a negative, stereotyped mindset of Bkack males possibly being armed. If they were properly trained and some cops not bring their stereotyped views of all unarmed Black males, to the job, and instead, use trained, alternative measures, as many do when they approach unarmed, non-Black males, then maybe there would be a different public reaction to these situations, but it's been too much of s pattern over the years. That's just the hard truth. [Edited 9/5/15 13:43pm]

I certainly agree with your sentiment in general.

terrig said:

babynoz said:

Indeed.

Its unfair for people here to see Prince as race-baiting. He's so not. White people can be so far removed from what the black community experiences, that they just have no reference point from which to draw from. Thats how isolated our 'integrated' society is.

Even when faced with video evidence...its ***unfathomable to them*** --- until...they have an experience themsleves. The only thing I've seen that's made white people wake up in front of my eyes....was the occupy wall street movement in NYC.

Thats the first time I've ever seen, en masse, white people treated like black people by the police. I've never seen white people so --- shocked --- at how they were handled by police. Its the first thing (at least that I've seen personally) that may have woke them to the abuses that the black community endure....it was felt deep enough for at least a portion of the white community to be able to HEAR #blacklivesmatter and understand it for real.

Some white people do understand....but they have to stop being offended when black people discuss white people .....Prince isnt race bating, he has 38 years of inclusion behind him. He has every right to BE a black man, and have feelings about it....as a black man.

[Edited 9/5/15 10:47am]

What you said about Occupy is so insightful. I think it's one of the key reasons why there were so many people who were not black at some BLM protests. It's also the reason they are trying so hard to infiltrate, discredit and break up the movement and drive a wedge between the black folks and the white folks who understand what's up.

It reminds me of the freedom riders when so many white students found out first hand what blacks were facing. It ended up bringing even more whites into the civil rights movement.

There was nothing whatsoever for anybody to feel threatened or offended by in Prince's statement.

pureTsexy said:

I liked prince better when he was "raceless". I'm personally tired of him playing the race card. I've followed him since 1982, been a die hard fan since '89, seen him multiple times in concert, and own everything he's ever released ... actually owned everything 3 times due to my 1st collection being destroyed, and my 2nd collection being stolen. Oh, and I'm a white man, supporting a black artist... go figure. I realize there's racism in this country, but to hear a guy like Prince complaining about it, like it effects him, on a regular basis over the past decade or so, is just ridiculous. He was a black 17 yr old boy who was given the keys to the kingdom at WB. He was given a movie deal before he was even a megastar. He was allowed to do the Batman soundtrack despite his flop of Lovesexy, and the pulling of the Black Album. He was given the largest record deal in the music industry in 92..Then complained about it for years. He has had everything hes ever wanted out of this business, despite his bad decisions.. yet he complains about racism like his color has had some kind of negative impact on his career. Drop the drama, Prince. Go back to claiming you're black/white/Italian and whatever else you claimed to be back in your prime. I love you man... but enough with the race card.

There's no such thing as a Prince that was 'raceless'. The only people who can say something like 'playing the race card' are usually white. It's amazing that you have the nerve to assess someone elses experience in their own skin and decide if they should have certain feelings about it.

Prince has never actually been raceless. Hes always been a black man. It doesnt matter how or to what extent racism effects him, he's still BLACK. His family, friends, employees of color are all effected by the racial climate in america. For him to openly care about it is a natural part of who he is, where he comes from and whats happening in america today.

Just because he has had the luxury of being able to succeed doesnt mean he should act as if it doesn't exist. He has enough money and clout now to withstand the backlash for caring now, and you know what....good for him. Even though his opinions can be kooky and sometimes on the tinfoil hat spectrum, I'm glad he's opening his mouth and encouraging support of black owned entities.

babynoz said:

terrig said:

Its unfair for people here to see Prince as race-baiting. He's so not. White people can be so far removed from what the black community experiences, that they just have no reference point from which to draw from. Thats how isolated our 'integrated' society is.

Even when faced with video evidence...its ***unfathomable to them*** --- until...they have an experience themsleves. The only thing I've seen that's made white people wake up in front of my eyes....was the occupy wall street movement in NYC.

Thats the first time I've ever seen, en masse, white people treated like black people by the police. I've never seen white people so --- shocked --- at how they were handled by police. Its the first thing (at least that I've seen personally) that may have woke them to the abuses that the black community endure....it was felt deep enough for at least a portion of the white community to be able to HEAR #blacklivesmatter and understand it for real.

Some white people do understand....but they have to stop being offended when black people discuss white people .....Prince isnt race bating, he has 38 years of inclusion behind him. He has every right to BE a black man, and have feelings about it....as a black man.

[Edited 9/5/15 10:47am]

What you said about Occupy is so insightful. I think it's one of the key reasons why there were so many people who were not black at some BLM protests. It's also the reason they are trying so hard to infiltrate, discredit and break up the movement and drive a wedge between the black folks and the white folks who understand what's up.

It reminds me of the freedom riders when so many white students found out first hand what blacks were facing. It ended up bringing even more whites into the civil rights movement.

There was nothing whatsoever for anybody to feel threatened or offended by in Prince's statement.

EXACTLY. yes!

the other thing about occupy is that whites are slowly realizing the american drem thing is now inaccessible to THEM TOO. they are also now targeted for massive amounts of either homeowner debt or student debt and are hamstrung with lowered earning potential and the continual lowering of the american paycheck. this use to be the domain of only minorities in the usa...now you're seeing an entire white generation experience what people of color have always expereinced: doors to the american dream shut in their face, wages lowered, and no hope of finding a financial foothold. occupy wallstrett woke that up, and they saw the parallels and can now understand where/how people of color have been abused.

enter trump with blame the immigrants! and we can keep the focus off the 1%.

[Edited 9/5/15 14:43pm]

Angelsoncrack said:

I'm still not fully sure what to think about this. It's so confusing. I just know that I find it upsetting to see the rift Prince's words have caused among his fans here. Debates will be debates and everyone has their own opinion over this, that's cool. But I think we can all agree that one of the biggest reasons Prince was so appealing as an artist back in his heyday was his accessability.

He had both men and women and black and white in The Revoltuion. I didn't live back in the '70s when he was getting popular but it must have been such an amazing thing to have such a diverse audience coming to see him in the '80s. It's just so upsetting to see that same audience split over one sentence. Meh, what do I know I'm just a 20 yr old in England lmao, I'm finished with this thread

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I gotta tell ya, this particular audience splits over just about anything that Prince says or does that is not as racially, spiritually or sexually ambiguous as humanly possible. At all times Prince is to remain a mere cut-out and blank slate for everyone to project whatever identity onto him that they deem proper or he gets vilified for daring to have an identity of his own and a POV like any other human being.

Prince.org is NOT representative of Prince's general fanbase, thank heaven.

I would remind you that he also has black, white, men and women in the band he is working with as we speak. That wasn't limited to the Revolultion and there's absolutely nothing here to be upset about.

prince can not play the race card... he has no concept of what it is to be human much less experience hardship. his childhood is so long forgotten he can not cling to that....His own brother said as soon as he got his first record deal he was a different person.


this is the same person that said a $100 MILLION recording deal made by a man 15 years in the music bizz (at last his 4th contract) who was 35... slavery!


he is not to be take seriously at all when it comes to life or politics...

tab32792 said:

pureTsexy said:

I liked prince better when he was "raceless". I'm personally tired of him playing the race card. I've followed him since 1982, been a die hard fan since '89, seen him multiple times in concert, and own everything he's ever released ... actually owned everything 3 times due to my 1st collection being destroyed, and my 2nd collection being stolen. Oh, and I'm a white man, supporting a black artist... go figure. I realize there's racism in this country, but to hear a guy like Prince complaining about it, like it effects him, on a regular basis over the past decade or so, is just ridiculous. He was a black 17 yr old boy who was given the keys to the kingdom at WB. He was given a movie deal before he was even a megastar. He was allowed to do the Batman soundtrack despite his flop of Lovesexy, and the pulling of the Black Album. He was given the largest record deal in the music industry in 92..Then complained about it for years. He has had everything hes ever wanted out of this business, despite his bad decisions.. yet he complains about racism like his color has had some kind of negative impact on his career. Drop the drama, Prince. Go back to claiming you're black/white/Italian and whatever else you claimed to be back in your prime. I love you man... but enough with the race card.

Prince was never "raceless". he's been black since 1958.

LMAO!