OnlyNDaUsa said:

prince can not play the race card... he has no concept of what it is to be human much less experience hardship. his childhood is so long forgotten he can not cling to that....His own brother said as soon as he got his first record deal he was a different person.


this is the same person that said a $100 MILLION recording deal made by a man 15 years in the music bizz (at last his 4th contract) who was 35... slavery!


he is not to be take seriously at all when it comes to life or politics...

Wow...seriously?

OldFriends4Sale said:

214 said:

Maybe it's time to play the racist card but now in reverse, now the racism must be towards white people, then, they might understand

Yep that is a good idea

it's not

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I'm sure there'll be plenty of white people stealing a certain black guys property on the torrents next week. With not a nasty policeman in sight either.

[Edited 9/5/15 15:34pm]

babynoz said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

prince can not play the race card... he has no concept of what it is to be human much less experience hardship. his childhood is so long forgotten he can not cling to that....His own brother said as soon as he got his first record deal he was a different person.


this is the same person that said a $100 MILLION recording deal made by a man 15 years in the music bizz (at last his 4th contract) who was 35... slavery!


he is not to be take seriously at all when it comes to life or politics...

Wow...seriously?

yeah... he is living in Prince land for too long... he is so far out of touch with reality or what it means to have any actual worries...

Marrk said:

I'm sure there'll be plenty of white people stealing a certain black guys property on the torrents next week. With not a nasty policeman in sight either.

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i will listen befor i buy and i will only buy if it is a physical cd...

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Marrk said:

I'm sure there'll be plenty of white people stealing a certain black guys property on the torrents next week. With not a nasty policeman in sight either.

[Edited 9/5/15 15:34pm]

i will listen befor i buy and i will only buy if it is a physical cd...

I'll read reviews and only buy it if I feel it's actually worth my money.

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This particular consumer drives a hard bargain these days.

[Edited 9/5/15 15:50pm]

Marrk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i will listen befor i buy and i will only buy if it is a physical cd...

I'll read reviews and only buy it if I feel it's actually worth my money.

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This particular consumer drives a hard bargain these days.

[Edited 9/5/15 15:50pm]

yeah i have a cd of 59 MP3s in my car (i do have the cds but i did down load them) that lasts hours and all top notch songs most of which can be played in mixed compnay... i really do not need any more songs...

OnlyNDaUsa said:

babynoz said:

Wow...seriously?

yeah... he is living in Prince land for too long... he is so far out of touch with reality or what it means to have any actual worries...

So your perceptions and speculation of what you imagine his life is like makes him not human?

The tendency to devalue someone else's life and the inability to see the humanity in another person who has a different experience of life than yourself is at the very heart of the problem. SMH,

tab32792 said:

pureTsexy said:

tab32792 said:

Prince was never "raceless". he's been black since 1958.

I'm sure you know what I meant. His claim of being multi races, to be more Contraversial. Even in the song Contraversy... "Am I black or white?...."

yeah they lied in the early years about his parent's and his age and who knows what else. I have read that Chris Moon was a little put off that he did not get credit for songs other than soft and wet on for you...

terrig said:

pureTsexy said:

tab32792 said:

Prince was never "raceless". he's been black since 1958.

I'm sure you know what I meant. His claim of being multi races, to be more Contraversial. Even in the song Contraversy... "Am I black or white?...."

He also said "you never would have drank my coffee, if I had never served you cream" in "What's My Name" which I think is more relevant, based in how he gamed the industry in the beginning that was based on his knowledge that as a black artist he'd be pigeonholed if he just came off as a "black" artist. So, no, he is black, first and foremost, and his claims around being multiracial was a means to an end that a lot of peopel still can't seem to understand.

BlackandRising said:

BlackandRising said:

pureTsexy said:

tab32792 said: I'm sure you know what I meant. His claim of being multi races, to be more Contraversial. Even in the song Contraversy... "Am I black or white?...."

He also said "you never would have drank my coffee, if I had never served you cream" in "What's My Name" which I think is more relevant, based in how he gamed the industry in the beginning that was based on his knowledge that as a black artist he'd be pigeonholed if he just came off as a "black" artist. So, no, he is black, first and foremost, and his claims around being multiracial was a means to an end that a lot of peopel still can't seem to understand.

that line also refers to how he offered light sweet songs that lured us in and the he hit us with the deeper stuff... the fact that his music covers a wide spectrum of styles and taistes... i remember when i was thinking how few of his songs were silly... songs like jack u off have that silly cartoon like music and that rediclous lyrics compared to contraversy or do me baby...was part of what make that album so great. Same with Sister... deep dark lyrics that go pretty deep about the confict the victims of sexual abuse face.... paired with music that is light hearted... (google"horror theme songs in a major key") juxtaposed against each other...

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BlackandRising said:

He also said "you never would have drank my coffee, if I had never served you cream" in "What's My Name" which I think is more relevant, based in how he gamed the industry in the beginning that was based on his knowledge that as a black artist he'd be pigeonholed if he just came off as a "black" artist. So, no, he is black, first and foremost, and his claims around being multiracial was a means to an end that a lot of peopel still can't seem to understand.

that line also refers to how he offered light sweet songs that lured us in and the he hit us with the deeper stuff... the fact that his music covers a wide spectrum of styles and taistes... i remember when i was thinking how few of his songs were silly... songs like jack u off have that silly cartoon like music and that rediclous lyrics compared to contraversy or do me baby...was part of what make that album so great. Same with Sister... deep dark lyrics that go pretty deep about the confict the victims of sexual abuse face.... paired with music that is light hearted... (google"horror theme songs in a major key") juxtaposed against each other...

Sorry...you have to explain that one to me. That 2nd verse, in the context of the rest of the song, has always meant to me that he had to mix it up racially for the industry so it wouldn't put him in a narrow category, allowing him to make music he wanted. How in the world do you get that it meant that he offered light sweet songs that lured us in and then he hit us with the deeper stuff?? I mean, I'm actually kind of impressed that someone came up with this as it is so not in the realm of anything I ever thought about that song.

pureTsexy said:

BlackandRising said:

No, he talks about it way to little. you obviously don't understand what he's saying if your rationale for why he shouldn't be doing this around music is that black artists are " the highest paid and biggest sellers in the industry". And he brings up race in the context through which he views it...should he bring it up around something he's not a player in? Astrophysics perhaps? It's laughable that your issue is that he's relating it to music, which has literally been his life.

Everyone seems to be dodging my main point here, and only focusing on "race". My issue is, race hasn't held him,nor any black artist, down in many, many years. His industry, the music industry, isn't the right area to be complaining about racism. Does racism exist? Absolutely, and it's a terrible thing. But does it have anything to do with his life in the past 38 years? No. Does it hold back black artists of today? Or in the past 20 to 30 years? No. The music industry is dominated by black artists. Even white artists are, and have been, trying to emulate them, to get that degree of success. Beastie Boys, Vanilla ice, emenim, Justin Timberlake etc etc. They saw the trend and where the money was in the music industry. Prince and MJ have been considered the biggest music stars of our lifetime. Both black men. So why does he think race has some kind of negative impact on him or other black artists? Kanye, Jay Z, Beyonce, Dr Dre, P. Diddy... all these are some of the highest paid, most successful artists of today. Complaints about racism in this industry holds no merit. Talk about racism...that's perfectly fine. But pick the right spots.

Hmmm, I think blurring Princes racial identity in the beginning goes a long way in demonstrating how racism affected the music industry up to that time period.

Music has been largely segregated for almost EVER. Just because some black people have been successful doesn't negate the effect of racism in aspects of the music industry that we may or may not see.

One Obama, doesn't mean everythings all good now. The music industry has historically exploited and mined black music at least in america pretty much up until the 70s. it's still being done today - see the furor regarding iggy azealia...

The success of black people in their industry doesnt' mean that racism doesnt exist there, or that they had no challenges with it on the way up.

I do get what you're saying, but again - the perspective from the outside of the music industry may or may not be accurate to their experience on the inside.

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BlackandRising said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

that line also refers to how he offered light sweet songs that lured us in and the he hit us with the deeper stuff... the fact that his music covers a wide spectrum of styles and taistes... i remember when i was thinking how few of his songs were silly... songs like jack u off have that silly cartoon like music and that rediclous lyrics compared to contraversy or do me baby...was part of what make that album so great. Same with Sister... deep dark lyrics that go pretty deep about the confict the victims of sexual abuse face.... paired with music that is light hearted... (google"horror theme songs in a major key") juxtaposed against each other...

Sorry...you have to explain that one to me. That 2nd verse, in the context of the rest of the song, has always meant to me that he had to mix it up racially for the industry so it wouldn't put him in a narrow category, allowing him to make music he wanted. How in the world do you get that it meant that he offered light sweet songs that lured us in and then he hit us with the deeper stuff?? I mean, I'm actually kind of impressed that someone came up with this as it is so not in the realm of anything I ever thought about that song.

I have to say i never gave the song much though or much play... it was just my first thought...

double meanings is all over his songs... so he talks about coffee and cream black and white funk or pop... but even in some pop songs there are layers of meaning. Look at when doves cry... that is a dark song.... it is about dealing with a dysfunctional family...something all too many of us can relate to.

But back "what's my name" it is about more that black and white or what his name is Prince vs but about his identity or his true self vs the persona...

the line "my girlfriend calls me lame" is more than a lazy rhyme ...but maybe how he can not live up to what people think he would be like... in other words... he is still a human (yes i said before he has no real concept of what it is to be a person) and as such it may be hard for people that know him so personally to accept that.

Other than than i am not sure I can explain it...

his race has as little as possible to do with how i view him... same with any and all people... my issue is he is not his race but his lack of connection to reality. he has been a super star among super stars for decades.... how many other people can walk into a room full of rich and famous and have them freak out? Even among the elite super stars he is a super star.

pureTsexy said:

BlackandRising said:

No, he talks about it way to little. you obviously don't understand what he's saying if your rationale for why he shouldn't be doing this around music is that black artists are " the highest paid and biggest sellers in the industry". And he brings up race in the context through which he views it...should he bring it up around something he's not a player in? Astrophysics perhaps? It's laughable that your issue is that he's relating it to music, which has literally been his life.

Everyone seems to be dodging my main point here, and only focusing on "race". My issue is, race hasn't held him,nor any black artist, down in many, many years. His industry, the music industry, isn't the right area to be complaining about racism. Does racism exist? Absolutely, and it's a terrible thing. But does it have anything to do with his life in the past 38 years? No. Does it hold back black artists of today? Or in the past 20 to 30 years? No. The music industry is dominated by black artists. Even white artists are, and have been, trying to emulate them, to get that degree of success. Beastie Boys, Vanilla ice, emenim, Justin Timberlake etc etc. They saw the trend and where the money was in the music industry. Prince and MJ have been considered the biggest music stars of our lifetime. Both black men. So why does he think race has some kind of negative impact on him or other black artists? Kanye, Jay Z, Beyonce, Dr Dre, P. Diddy... all these are some of the highest paid, most successful artists of today. Complaints about racism in this industry holds no merit. Talk about racism...that's perfectly fine. But pick the right spots.

This thread is about over. lol
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Prince played the slave symbolism because things did not go his way in the mid 90s with Warner Brothers.

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The Slave Emancipation thing is a play on symbolism

and he is still using this when things do not go the way he wishes.Even though fans have financially supported him with all his online buying purchase endevours. LotusFlow3r.com was $77 a year I believe? It would have been worth it if it had th content most of us are looking for. But Prince got paid... and the fans got a couple of songs and a few got tshirts.

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the other issue with this is touching on a bunch of poor, working class, middle class, struggling to make ends meet or living comfortabley people to help make Millionaires richer. Buying music is a luxury.
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I will probably join to get the album and see what else is on there. But won't pay $19 a month

KingSausage said:

If Prince had said "a lot of police departments started as slave catchers" or "slavery was one of the most important factors in the development of this country's law enforcement," then I think some people here (including me) would be totally fine with his statement. But he gave an oversimplified, dumber down, and inaccurate version of history. YES, slavery was a huge factor in police history. And YES, protecting the property of whites played a critical role in the mission of many police departments. But that's not the whole story. He presented it like it was. An incomplete truth is still not the truth. As far as people saying Prince doesn't have the right to talk about racial issues, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site. He has the right to talk about anything he wants. And he hasn't been able to escape the effects of institutional racism and white privilege just because he's had a successful career in popular music. That's not how systemic racism works. To summarize, I like it when Prince addresses critical current events. But when he oversimplifies, I find it grating.

actually let's expand on the truth of that...
"protecting the property of RICH whites" Cause most white were poor.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

his race has as little as possible to do with how i view him... same with any and all people... my issue is he is not his race but his lack of connection to reality. he has been a super star among super stars for decades.... how many other people can walk into a room full of rich and famous and have them freak out? Even among the elite super stars he is a super star.

This is the reality.
There is something that happens with certain stars that goes beyond comprehension.
Prince and whole lot of others are in a place that does not so easily connect to what regular working folk deal with.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pureTsexy said:

BlackandRising said: Everyone seems to be dodging my main point here, and only focusing on "race". My issue is, race hasn't held him,nor any black artist, down in many, many years. His industry, the music industry, isn't the right area to be complaining about racism. Does racism exist? Absolutely, and it's a terrible thing. But does it have anything to do with his life in the past 38 years? No. Does it hold back black artists of today? Or in the past 20 to 30 years? No. The music industry is dominated by black artists. Even white artists are, and have been, trying to emulate them, to get that degree of success. Beastie Boys, Vanilla ice, emenim, Justin Timberlake etc etc. They saw the trend and where the money was in the music industry. Prince and MJ have been considered the biggest music stars of our lifetime. Both black men. So why does he think race has some kind of negative impact on him or other black artists? Kanye, Jay Z, Beyonce, Dr Dre, P. Diddy... all these are some of the highest paid, most successful artists of today. Complaints about racism in this industry holds no merit. Talk about racism...that's perfectly fine. But pick the right spots.

This thread is about over. lol
.
Prince played the slave symbolism because things did not go his way in the mid 90s with Warner Brothers.

.

The Slave Emancipation thing is a play on symbolism

and he is still using this when things do not go the way he wishes.Even though fans have financially supported him with all his online buying purchase endevours. LotusFlow3r.com was $77 a year I believe? It would have been worth it if it had th content most of us are looking for. But Prince got paid... and the fans got a couple of songs and a few got tshirts.

.

the other issue with this is touching on a bunch of poor, working class, middle class, struggling to make ends meet or living comfortabley people to help make Millionaires richer. Buying music is a luxury.
.
I will probably join to get the album and see what else is on there. But won't pay $19 a month

dude seriously you have got to get out of the past. your posts are riddled with everything about Prince's past and what in your opinion makes him great, and you use the past to benchmark everything. When you get in the weeds in various threads, it's always about the 90's, WB feuds, what he said in the past (which somehow means he can't evolve or something?) his web experiments, How SOTT was great and we haven't had that since, etc., etc. Seriously, try engaging with what he's doing in the here and now instead of always comparing it to what you loved about him that is simply past history for him. He's kind of made that clear at this point.

OldFriends4Sale said:

KingSausage said:

If Prince had said "a lot of police departments started as slave catchers" or "slavery was one of the most important factors in the development of this country's law enforcement," then I think some people here (including me) would be totally fine with his statement. But he gave an oversimplified, dumber down, and inaccurate version of history. YES, slavery was a huge factor in police history. And YES, protecting the property of whites played a critical role in the mission of many police departments. But that's not the whole story. He presented it like it was. An incomplete truth is still not the truth. As far as people saying Prince doesn't have the right to talk about racial issues, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site. He has the right to talk about anything he wants. And he hasn't been able to escape the effects of institutional racism and white privilege just because he's had a successful career in popular music. That's not how systemic racism works. To summarize, I like it when Prince addresses critical current events. But when he oversimplifies, I find it grating.

actually let's expand on the truth of that...
"protecting the property of RICH whites" Cause most white were poor.

lol seriously sometimes you have to fill the blanks in yourself. of course police protected the rich...what did poor people have to protect back in those days? To KingSausages points, does Prince really need to expand on every little thought to make it as clear as water for all of yall? I knew exactly what he meant given how he put it. Maybe it's on the recipient to do their due diligence and pick up a book, do a google search, what have you.

Yes, yes, yes. But is he playing Glastonbury next year?? That's the rumor anyway...

OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

his race has as little as possible to do with how i view him... same with any and all people... my issue is he is not his race but his lack of connection to reality. he has been a super star among super stars for decades.... how many other people can walk into a room full of rich and famous and have them freak out? Even among the elite super stars he is a super star.

This is the reality.
There is something that happens with certain stars that goes beyond comprehension.
Prince and whole lot of others are in a place that does not so easily connect to what regular working folk deal with.

and Prince is in an orbit that is a shell or two above that.

this goes beyond the story of prince asking for a camel at 1AM ( Google "kevin smith on prince") and into a realm beyond most everyone else.

BlackandRising said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This thread is about over. lol
.
Prince played the slave symbolism because things did not go his way in the mid 90s with Warner Brothers.

.

The Slave Emancipation thing is a play on symbolism

and he is still using this when things do not go the way he wishes.Even though fans have financially supported him with all his online buying purchase endevours. LotusFlow3r.com was $77 a year I believe? It would have been worth it if it had th content most of us are looking for. But Prince got paid... and the fans got a couple of songs and a few got tshirts.

.

the other issue with this is touching on a bunch of poor, working class, middle class, struggling to make ends meet or living comfortabley people to help make Millionaires richer. Buying music is a luxury.
.
I will probably join to get the album and see what else is on there. But won't pay $19 a month

dude seriously you have got to get out of the past. your posts are riddled with everything about Prince's past and what in your opinion makes him great, and you use the past to benchmark everything. When you get in the weeds in various threads, it's always about the 90's, WB feuds, what he said in the past (which somehow means he can't evolve or something?) his web experiments, How SOTT was great and we haven't had that since, etc., etc. Seriously, try engaging with what he's doing in the here and now instead of always comparing it to what you loved about him that is simply past history for him. He's kind of made that clear at this point.

Dude, it's all connected. Prince's push for artists getting paid and owning their own work is connected. How can you disconnect and say it's in the past. One of the main things of TIDAL that Prince should have elaborated on and not RACE was that Tidal is consequently now the first major music service to be owned by artists themselves, and claims to pay higher royalties to artists and songwriters

When has Prince NOT talked about what he started in the mid 90s?
Everything in the past does not get dropped Dude. Things have an origin. And a continuation.
When did Prince STOP dealing with and talking about what he started in the mid 90s? He never did stop...
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And LotusFlower was 2009
And we can talk about any aspect of Prince career that we choose too.
You cannot disconnect Prince's 'ownership' of his own label:Paisley Park that he had signed acts under him.
You cannot disconnect from all of his online purchasing endevours

Thedawn.com

1800NEWFUNK.com
Love4OneAnother.com
NPG Music Club
3121.com
LotusFlow3r.com
3rdEyeGirl.com
When did he stop talking about online music, purchasing music from the internet ?

Come on, let's be reasonable here.

I'm talking about Prince TODAY
Maybe it is U that do not respect his musical journey and passion 4 artists owning their own

BlackandRising said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

actually let's expand on the truth of that...
"protecting the property of RICH whites" Cause most white were poor.

lol seriously sometimes you have to fill the blanks in yourself. of course police protected the rich...what did poor people have to protect back in those days? To KingSausages points, does Prince really need to expand on every little thought to make it as clear as water for all of yall? I knew exactly what he meant given how he put it. Maybe it's on the recipient to do their due diligence and pick up a book, do a google search, what have you.

I'm ceasing my discussion with U. U made the discussion extremely personal. You proved you can't Be Civilized:A good general rule: "criticize ideas, not people."

So May the Nubian Gods look down upon you and shower their blessings
Peace Be Un2 U

the Bushy Headed Mulatto Breakdown
May U Live 2 C the Dawn

etc

etc

etc

OnlyNDaUsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the reality.
There is something that happens with certain stars that goes beyond comprehension.
Prince and whole lot of others are in a place that does not so easily connect to what regular working folk deal with.

and Prince is in an orbit that is a shell or two above that.

this goes beyond the story of prince asking for a camel at 1AM ( Google "kevin smith on prince") and into a realm beyond most everyone else.

there was another one that was way up in the celestial realm who cried racism when his album did do sio well

BlackandRising said: