RodeoSchro said:

Aerogram said:

Don't undervalue yourself, I read everybody from Militant to Oldfriend to KCool and everyone. Not really interested in BVH's perspective, it's going to be same old, same old.

Dod you remember the movie/TV series "M*A*S*H"? It was taken from a book written by Richard Hooker. hHe ended up writing a series of books on the adventures of Hawkeye and Trapper John after the Korean War.

Their nemesis in some of the books was a doctor they called "Goofus MacDuff". Goofus MacDuff was legendary because he could take all the data on a patient, summarize it brilliantly, and then make the exact wrong recommendation for treatment. Whenever Hawkeye was stumped, he'd have Goofus MacDuff analyze the situation and make a recommendation. Then Hawkeye would do the exact opposite of Goofus MacDuff's recommendation and, of course, that always worked.

I can't help but think of Goofus MacDuff whenever I read BVH's posts.

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Yeah, because I was so wrong on predicting AOA and PlecElec wouldn't be hits, and would get ignored by Prince upon release. I was wrong to predict that the album he announced through a couple of YouTube snippets wouldn't get released "soon". I was wrong to laugh at those who claimed HitNRun wouldn't be released in early August.

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It's funny how you never manage to come up with examples of me being wrong. Instead you fabricate these bland anologies, based on your desired outcome.

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Here's a question I keep repeating and yet no fam is willing to answer: do you honestly look back upon the period 1996-now and think "well that went as well as it could have gone"? Do you honestly think that no improvements could be made?

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Oh wait, I forgot: your kid got on stage with Prince.

BartVanHemelen said:

RodeoSchro said:

Dod you remember the movie/TV series "M*A*S*H"? It was taken from a book written by Richard Hooker. hHe ended up writing a series of books on the adventures of Hawkeye and Trapper John after the Korean War.

Their nemesis in some of the books was a doctor they called "Goofus MacDuff". Goofus MacDuff was legendary because he could take all the data on a patient, summarize it brilliantly, and then make the exact wrong recommendation for treatment. Whenever Hawkeye was stumped, he'd have Goofus MacDuff analyze the situation and make a recommendation. Then Hawkeye would do the exact opposite of Goofus MacDuff's recommendation and, of course, that always worked.

I can't help but think of Goofus MacDuff whenever I read BVH's posts.

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Yeah, because I was so wrong on predicting AOA and PlecElec wouldn't be hits, and would get ignored by Prince upon release. I was wrong to predict that the album he announced through a couple of YouTube snippets wouldn't get released "soon". I was wrong to laugh at those who claimed HitNRun wouldn't be released in early August.

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It's funny how you never manage to come up with examples of me being wrong. Instead you fabricate these bland anologies, based on your desired outcome.

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Here's a question I keep repeating and yet no fam is willing to answer: do you honestly look back upon the period 1996-now and think "well that went as well as it could have gone"? Do you honestly think that no improvements could be made?

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Oh wait, I forgot: your kid got on stage with Prince.

Last week you predicted the song with Rita Orta would never be released due to Prince's control issues... However it was just announced the song will be released on HIS upcoming album.

Your post: "So now he's talking about "upcoming artists" -- guess what, it's exactly the same thing. Prince wants to attach his wagon to their train (see for instance his increasingly desperate attempts at getting a song on Rita Ora's album) and their record companies ain't having none of that because there's nothing in it for them (or for the artists)."

There is one example of you being WRONG.

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feeluupp said:

Last week you predicted the song with Rita Orta would never be released due to Prince's control issues... However it was just announced the song will be released on HIS upcoming album.

Your post: "So now he's talking about "upcoming artists" -- guess what, it's exactly the same thing. Prince wants to attach his wagon to their train (see for instance his increasingly desperate attempts at getting a song on Rita Ora's album) and their record companies ain't having none of that because there's nothing in it for them (or for the artists)."

There is one example of you being WRONG.

[Edited 8/17/15 2:44am]

Wasn't it 'expected to be on the album'? So you don't know yet if he's wrong...

(And in Princeland 'expected to' usually means not happening....)

Pentacle said:

feeluupp said:

Last week you predicted the song with Rita Orta would never be released due to Prince's control issues... However it was just announced the song will be released on HIS upcoming album.

Your post: "So now he's talking about "upcoming artists" -- guess what, it's exactly the same thing. Prince wants to attach his wagon to their train (see for instance his increasingly desperate attempts at getting a song on Rita Ora's album) and their record companies ain't having none of that because there's nothing in it for them (or for the artists)."

There is one example of you being WRONG.

[Edited 8/17/15 2:44am]

Wasn't it 'expected to be on the album'? So you don't know yet if he's wrong...

(And in Princeland 'expected to' usually means not happening....)

Said it was going to be on the album... Guess we will see what we see... However Bart just speculates everything without having any concrete details because he is not in the Prince camp, or Rita Orta's camp... He was not in the studio, he knows nothing about what actually is going on.

If he's so good at speculating Prince's failures, then he's good enough to speculate the upcoming lottery numbers, so he can afford a nice trip to a private island where he can enjoy his time rather than posting the same crap about Prince for over 10 years on this site.

BartVanHemelen said:

RodeoSchro said:

Dod you remember the movie/TV series "M*A*S*H"? It was taken from a book written by Richard Hooker. hHe ended up writing a series of books on the adventures of Hawkeye and Trapper John after the Korean War.

Their nemesis in some of the books was a doctor they called "Goofus MacDuff". Goofus MacDuff was legendary because he could take all the data on a patient, summarize it brilliantly, and then make the exact wrong recommendation for treatment. Whenever Hawkeye was stumped, he'd have Goofus MacDuff analyze the situation and make a recommendation. Then Hawkeye would do the exact opposite of Goofus MacDuff's recommendation and, of course, that always worked.

I can't help but think of Goofus MacDuff whenever I read BVH's posts.

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Yeah, because I was so wrong on predicting AOA and PlecElec wouldn't be hits, and would get ignored by Prince upon release. I was wrong to predict that the album he announced through a couple of YouTube snippets wouldn't get released "soon". I was wrong to laugh at those who claimed HitNRun wouldn't be released in early August.

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It's funny how you never manage to come up with examples of me being wrong. Instead you fabricate these bland anologies, based on your desired outcome.

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Here's a question I keep repeating and yet no fam is willing to answer: do you honestly look back upon the period 1996-now and think "well that went as well as it could have gone"? Do you honestly think that no improvements could be made?

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Oh wait, I forgot: your kid got on stage with Prince.

Here is an answer to your question: it didn't go as well as it could have but it did go way better than you predicted, particularly considering what you were saying around the time of the NPGMC and TRC stuff. You could not have predicted he'd have the highest grossing American tour of 2004. Artistically, as far, as I'm concerned, TRC, Musicology, Lotus Flower and AOA were strong, AOA strongest, while the ONA/Musicology/22 Nights and 3eG live engagements were very strong and kept his live performance reputation sky high (if you look at the reviews, I know you'll mention the wonderful Gold tour to say it wasn't as good).

Aerogram said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yeah, because I was so wrong on predicting AOA and PlecElec wouldn't be hits, and would get ignored by Prince upon release. I was wrong to predict that the album he announced through a couple of YouTube snippets wouldn't get released "soon". I was wrong to laugh at those who claimed HitNRun wouldn't be released in early August.

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It's funny how you never manage to come up with examples of me being wrong. Instead you fabricate these bland anologies, based on your desired outcome.

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Here's a question I keep repeating and yet no fam is willing to answer: do you honestly look back upon the period 1996-now and think "well that went as well as it could have gone"? Do you honestly think that no improvements could be made?

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Oh wait, I forgot: your kid got on stage with Prince.

Here is an answer to your question: it didn't go as well as it could have but it did go way better than you predicted, particularly considering what you were saying around the time of the NPGMC and TRC stuff. You could not have predicted he'd have the highest grossing American tour of 2004. Artistically, as far, as I'm concerned, TRC, Musicology, Lotus Flower and AOA were strong, AOA strongest, while the ONA/Musicology/22 Nights and 3eG live engagements were very strong and kept his live performance reputation sky high (if you look at the reviews, I know you'll mention the wonderful Gold tour to say it wasn't as good).

He also couldn't predict that Prince would sell out 21 nights in london, be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on first year eligibility.

SoulAlive said:

Militant said:

It's like clockwork. Sure, he COULD just release an album, on a label, major or indie, have it available in record stores and digital outlets at the same time, with pre-orders, a nice website that works properly, and with a new music video ready to go, and some TV appearances............................................but where's the fun in that? That's the same shit everybody does.

I guess I'm just getting old (lol) because I no longer enjoy these mysterious,cryptic games It was fun a long time ago,but come on......just release the album the right way! No games,no gimmicks,no mystery.

Amen SoulAlive!! You are in my head reading my mind. At this point in my life, if I go to a store that sells CDs and his new one is there, yea, I will probably pick it up. But if it is just game after game and hoop after hoop, probably not as just getting tired of the madness, especially with the disapointment I have felt from the last several realses.

BartVanHemelen said:

fusk said:

like someone posted above, some of you guys think FAR too highly of prince. He's just a dude. Not everything he does has to be the right thing.

the narrative from the pro-prince camp is exactly as predictable as bart's posts. There's always a way to put a positive spin on anything prince does. For some reason some fans need prince to save face at all costs, just like bart needs prince to lose face.

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Projection, projection, nothing but projection.

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Unlike all you famz I HAVE NOT given up on Prince releasing worthwhile output. I want him to do well.

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My guess is that most fans just want to buy an album easily without any surrounding bullshit.

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So you're saying I'm right. Then why don't you just say that?

haaaaaaaah, of course i'm saying you're right! I agree with you like 99% of the time and I often say so explicitly.

maybe you're right about the projection, too. I want good music from prince just as much as anyone here, but some of the idol-worship here is so nauseating... i want people to take a realistic view, acknowledge when the human prince does something less than spectacular, and stop showering him with adoration for everything he does. That's why i need him to lose face. He needs to be less great in the eyes of others. Some people need to dial back the hero-worship to more reasonable levels.

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Militant said:

The funny thing is that Prince has been doing this for so many years and everybody still falls for it. He announces (x) and the fanbase starts running around like a bunch of headless chickens.

He enjoys the randomness of it. He enjoys riling everybody up. He wants us speculating. He wants the lovers to love and the haters to hate.

It's like clockwork. Sure, he COULD just release an album, on a label, major or indie, have it available in record stores and digital outlets at the same time, with pre-orders, a nice website that works properly, and with a new music video ready to go, and some TV appearances............................................but where's the fun in that? That's the same shit everybody does.

Love or hate the idea, the Tidal deal has generated so much discussion that we had to close the first thread and make a second one. Prince doesn't care if you join Tidal or not. He knows damn well everyone will hear the album one way or another anyway. Did it stop anyone from hearing The Black Album when he had the album units physically destroyed? Nope. And that was BEFORE digital music.

I'm with you, Aero. I wait and see.

It's funny how if this were some random no-name sideshow act, they'd likely be laughed out the room, but because it's Prince, he gets a pass.

You know why it's the same shit everybody does? Because it WORKS. It's proven. The only reasons there's randomness in Prince's business world is because he has no idea what he's doing, he's burned so many bridges & he doesn't have a clue what he's doing from one venture to the next. Announcements are vague because details are murky. Can he still get a record contract? Sure. But how easy will it be to get his music into a store? Will it be available on the release date? Will there be more than 2 copies per 100 miles?

With Prince, there's no point in anticipation, because as he's proven time & time again, he doesn't deliver to expectations. Why set yourself up for disappointment? Wait until the product is available before you even think about it.

This isn't hating. It's about understanding established patterns & knowing enough by now that if you stick your hand on the stove, you're bound to get burned.

I just want Prince to deliver what he says he's going to, and do it as easily as possible.

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New album - great - release it so that a normal person can get it. Don't make people jump through hoops and play games.

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I'm not even talking about content or quality -- I'm talking about accessibility.

purplethunder3121 said:

...and yet here we are...still waiting...

3 weeks left...and then there'll be long threads about the content.

Aerogram said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yeah, because I was so wrong on predicting AOA and PlecElec wouldn't be hits, and would get ignored by Prince upon release. I was wrong to predict that the album he announced through a couple of YouTube snippets wouldn't get released "soon". I was wrong to laugh at those who claimed HitNRun wouldn't be released in early August.

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It's funny how you never manage to come up with examples of me being wrong. Instead you fabricate these bland anologies, based on your desired outcome.

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Here's a question I keep repeating and yet no fam is willing to answer: do you honestly look back upon the period 1996-now and think "well that went as well as it could have gone"? Do you honestly think that no improvements could be made?

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Oh wait, I forgot: your kid got on stage with Prince.

Here is an answer to your question: it didn't go as well as it could have but it did go way better than you predicted, particularly considering what you were saying around the time of the NPGMC and TRC stuff. You could not have predicted he'd have the highest grossing American tour of 2004. Artistically, as far, as I'm concerned, TRC, Musicology, Lotus Flower and AOA were strong, AOA strongest, while the ONA/Musicology/22 Nights and 3eG live engagements were very strong and kept his live performance reputation sky high (if you look at the reviews, I know you'll mention the wonderful Gold tour to say it wasn't as good).

If you were a real Prince fan you'd know it was spelled Lotusflow3r.

BartVanHemelen said:

RodeoSchro said:

Dod you remember the movie/TV series "M*A*S*H"? It was taken from a book written by Richard Hooker. hHe ended up writing a series of books on the adventures of Hawkeye and Trapper John after the Korean War.

Their nemesis in some of the books was a doctor they called "Goofus MacDuff". Goofus MacDuff was legendary because he could take all the data on a patient, summarize it brilliantly, and then make the exact wrong recommendation for treatment. Whenever Hawkeye was stumped, he'd have Goofus MacDuff analyze the situation and make a recommendation. Then Hawkeye would do the exact opposite of Goofus MacDuff's recommendation and, of course, that always worked.

I can't help but think of Goofus MacDuff whenever I read BVH's posts.

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Yeah, because I was so wrong on predicting AOA and PlecElec wouldn't be hits, and would get ignored by Prince upon release. I was wrong to predict that the album he announced through a couple of YouTube snippets wouldn't get released "soon". I was wrong to laugh at those who claimed HitNRun wouldn't be released in early August.

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It's funny how you never manage to come up with examples of me being wrong. Instead you fabricate these bland anologies, based on your desired outcome.

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Here's a question I keep repeating and yet no fam is willing to answer: do you honestly look back upon the period 1996-now and think "well that went as well as it could have gone"? Do you honestly think that no improvements could be made?

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Oh wait, I forgot: your kid got on stage with Prince twice, and you sang with him too.

Fixed your last line for you!

Everyone's hindsight is 20-20. There's no doubt mistakes were made, but there's no doubt Prince nailed a whole lot of things, too. For instance, he owned 2004.

Now, what you ask for are examples of you being "wrong". That's never what I bring up, though. All I ever bring up is your constant hatred/negativity towards Prince's music. There's not a song he's put out that I can remember you having anything positive to say about it. Seriously, I cannot recall you ever saying here on the Org anything positive about any piece of music Prince has put out since the Org's founding.

I am really, honestly curious about this. I've asked you before, but I'll ask again: Please name up to five songs that Prince has released in the last 15 years that you like. Name one, two, five or even more if you like. Or if you honestly feel Prince hasn't released one song that you like in the last fifteen years, say that too.

I'm not going to argue with you about anything you describe is good. I firmly believe that art is subjective, so what you think is good is great for you, but what I think is good is great for me. Neither of us is wrong in that sense.

I find it hard to believe that there's nothing in the last 15 years that you like.

dustoff said:

Aerogram said:

Here is an answer to your question: it didn't go as well as it could have but it did go way better than you predicted, particularly considering what you were saying around the time of the NPGMC and TRC stuff. You could not have predicted he'd have the highest grossing American tour of 2004. Artistically, as far, as I'm concerned, TRC, Musicology, Lotus Flower and AOA were strong, AOA strongest, while the ONA/Musicology/22 Nights and 3eG live engagements were very strong and kept his live performance reputation sky high (if you look at the reviews, I know you'll mention the wonderful Gold tour to say it wasn't as good).

If you were a real Prince fan you'd know it was spelled Lotusflow3r.

No, if you were a real Prince fan you'd know the correct spelling is Lotu$flower.

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RodeoSchro said:

dustoff said:

If you were a real Prince fan you'd know it was spelled Lotusflow3r.

No, if you were a real Prince fan you'd know the correct spelling is Lotu$flower.

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[Edited 8/17/15 14:13pm]

'twas just a test to see if you guys are still genuine Prince nuts.

You passed.

Se7en said:

I just want Prince to deliver what he says he's going to, and do it as easily as possible.

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New album - great - release it so that a normal person can get it. Don't make people jump through hoops and play games.

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I'm not even talking about content or quality -- I'm talking about accessibility.

It appears he may have decided to stream his next album exclusively for a month on Tidal then follow that with standard downloads / cd.

So it looks like his latest will be accessible.

A normal person would probably not care that he can get a Prince album in September or October.

But somehow, I think Prince is short on those.

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Aerogram said:

Se7en said:

I just want Prince to deliver what he says he's going to, and do it as easily as possible.

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New album - great - release it so that a normal person can get it. Don't make people jump through hoops and play games.

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I'm not even talking about content or quality -- I'm talking about accessibility.

It appears he may have decided to stream his next album exclusively for a month on Tidal then follow that with standard downloads / cd.

So it looks like his latest will be accessible.

A normal person would probably not care that he can get a Prince album in September or October.

But somehow, I think Prince is short on those.

[Edited 8/17/15 14:36pm]

Well what I'm concerened about as usual is he is doing nothing to promote the album and it's only a few weeks away... For the standards of the industry, AOA selling almost 200,000 world wide is acceptable... But I hope it doesn't sell Plectrum numbers, that was a disaster...

Aerogram said:

RodeoSchro said:

No, if you were a real Prince fan you'd know the correct spelling is Lotu$flower.

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[Edited 8/17/15 14:13pm]

'twas just a test to see if you guys are still genuine Prince nuts.

You passed.

I feel so honored! Almost as honored as when I actually did receive my Lout$flower t-shirt!

feeluupp said:

Aerogram said:

It appears he may have decided to stream his next album exclusively for a month on Tidal then follow that with standard downloads / cd.

So it looks like his latest will be accessible.

A normal person would probably not care that he can get a Prince album in September or October.

But somehow, I think Prince is short on those.

[Edited 8/17/15 14:36pm]

Well what I'm concerened about as usual is he is doing nothing to promote the album and it's only a few weeks away... For the standards of the industry, AOA selling almost 200,000 world wide is acceptable... But I hope it doesn't sell Plectrum numbers, that was a disaster...

Don't get your hopes up for promotion, Prince doesn't seem to find any value in doing videos anymore. They cost him money and they're not shown. TV appearances are still within his promotional habits but he does not even seem to want to try to sell mega-numbers of units. My guess is that he has plenty of secure income and while he doesn't want to lose money on his records, he also has no urge to go out there and try to outsell Taylor Swift.

I think he's ok with selling modest amounts just as long as he doesn't lose money and that's why he's not into the heavy pop star game. This makes sense to me, he really tried so hard in the past, just think about doing those movies, working on videos, producing other artists, the whole Mayte thing -- yeah I can imagine trying extra hard to be a pop star almost killed him.

I'm not sure I would be a fan today if Prince had stayed with WB and gone on to do records like Diamonds and Pearls to this day with the full production machine.

Aerogram said:

feeluupp said:

Well what I'm concerened about as usual is he is doing nothing to promote the album and it's only a few weeks away... For the standards of the industry, AOA selling almost 200,000 world wide is acceptable... But I hope it doesn't sell Plectrum numbers, that was a disaster...

Don't get your hopes up for promotion, Prince doesn't seem to find any value in doing videos anymore. They cost him money and they're not shown. TV appearances are still within his promotional habits but he does not even seem to want to try to sell mega-numbers of units. My guess is that he has plenty of secure income and while he doesn't want to lose money on his records, he also has no urge to go out there and try to outsell Taylor Swift.

I think he's ok with selling modest amounts just as long as he doesn't lose money and that's why he's not into the heavy pop star game. This makes sense to me, he really tried so hard in the past, just think about doing those movies, working on videos, producing other artists, the whole Mayte thing -- yeah I can imagine trying extra hard to be a pop star almost killed him.

I'm not sure I would be a fan today if Prince had stayed with WB and gone on to do records like Diamonds and Pearls to this day with the full production machine.

I agree... I just don't want to see Plectrum Electrum numbers because that's not modest... 30,000 World Wide is a flop and a commercial failure...

feeluupp said:

Aerogram said:

Don't get your hopes up for promotion, Prince doesn't seem to find any value in doing videos anymore. They cost him money and they're not shown. TV appearances are still within his promotional habits but he does not even seem to want to try to sell mega-numbers of units. My guess is that he has plenty of secure income and while he doesn't want to lose money on his records, he also has no urge to go out there and try to outsell Taylor Swift.

I think he's ok with selling modest amounts just as long as he doesn't lose money and that's why he's not into the heavy pop star game. This makes sense to me, he really tried so hard in the past, just think about doing those movies, working on videos, producing other artists, the whole Mayte thing -- yeah I can imagine trying extra hard to be a pop star almost killed him.

I'm not sure I would be a fan today if Prince had stayed with WB and gone on to do records like Diamonds and Pearls to this day with the full production machine.

I agree... I just don't want to see Plectrum Electrum numbers because that's not modest... 30,000 World Wide is a flop and a commercial failure...

Let's hope Hannah doesn't sing on 3/4 of the tracks next time.

Aerogram said:

feeluupp said:

Well what I'm concerened about as usual is he is doing nothing to promote the album and it's only a few weeks away... For the standards of the industry, AOA selling almost 200,000 world wide is acceptable... But I hope it doesn't sell Plectrum numbers, that was a disaster...

Don't get your hopes up for promotion, Prince doesn't seem to find any value in doing videos anymore. They cost him money and they're not shown.

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Didn't stop him before. Hell, he's got an archive of (expensive) videos for UNRELEASED music.

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WRT "they're not shown": yeah, if only there was some kind of website that offered video and even allows you to monetize views. But I guess that involves the kind of skills only Christian vloggers have.

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Hell, last year he had that pathetic Yahoo livestreaming debacle. So there is some effort, but then it turns out to be the kind of amateur shit you watch with open mouth. Or recently he invites hundreds of journalists and then acts surprise when they turn up.

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TV appearances are still within his promotional habits but he does not even seem to want to try to sell mega-numbers of units. My guess is that he has plenty of secure income and while he doesn't want to lose money on his records, he also has no urge to go out there and try to outsell Taylor Swift.

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But he doesn't even try anything. He spent all Summer bitching about WBR not being in a hurry to release your precious new music and summoning local journalists to PP, yet when it comes to the huuuuge announcement of AOA/PlecElec on GMA he can't even be arsed to turn up.

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Also: the kind of records he releases nowadays aren't exactly personal or exotic. It's not like he's doing that country album he's always wanted to do but his record company didn't allow.

there was in fact yet another unreleased video shown for about a minute and a half
in the yahoo webcast, for the 3rd eye girl song "If U & I"

when this comes out..then we'll be speculating about phase 2...keeps interest in him...even though this strategy isnt needed

IstenSzek said:

Aerogram said:

IstenSzek said:

there was in fact yet another unreleased video shown for about a minute and a half
in the yahoo webcast, for the 3rd eye girl song "If U & I"

What kind of video? If it's just three long takes of the band playing or pretty pictures of the band browsing in a record store, these can't compare to more glossy stuff like the RRLA video (which was pretty good and professional). It costs next to nothing to do a video like PlectrumElectrum or Boom reloaded, just a good camera and some editing software. You or I could do those Ina day. RRLA has all those close ups, lots of takes, I don't remember if it had a director but it looks like it. Prince has done that kind of video so many times, he'd need to try something else to garner interest, so maybe he doesn't want to do them all the time. This reminds me of the time he said he didn't want another picture of himself for an album, something along the lines of people have seen my face on a cover enough time, let's do something different. [Edited 8/20/15 19:32pm]

oh it was a low budget kind of video it looked pretty enough, iirc but it was simple.
maybe shot my madison, who did that short movie for plectrumelectrum?

i think the majority of prince's unreleased videos are low budget affairs. like some of
the stuff that got released through the npgmc (when eye lay my hands on u etc etc).

i doubt that there are more than 10 very expensive videos in his vault, directed by

people outside of his own camp (like jean baptiste mondino's i wish u heaven etc).

but all the stuff he keeps filming, like a lot of his concerts and aftershows, or even a

whole album project like the 3121 movie, they have to cost a fair bit of money even

if they are 'low budget'.

to be honest i couldn't care less if he never did a video anymore (an expensive one)
if they only cost a lot of money but don't get him any extra album sales or anything.
i'm happy as long as he releases music.

IstenSzek said:

Aerogram said:

IstenSzek said: What kind of video? If it's just three long takes of the band playing or pretty pictures of the band browsing in a record store, these can't compare to more glossy stuff like the RRLA video (which was pretty good and professional). It costs next to nothing to do a video like PlectrumElectrum or Boom reloaded, just a good camera and some editing software. You or I could do those Ina day. RRLA has all those close ups, lots of takes, I don't remember if it had a director but it looks like it. Prince has done that kind of video so many times, he'd need to try something else to garner interest, so maybe he doesn't want to do them all the time. This reminds me of the time he said he didn't want another picture of himself for an album, something along the lines of people have seen my face on a cover enough time, let's do something different. [Edited 8/20/15 19:32pm]

oh it was a low budget kind of video it looked pretty enough, iirc but it was simple.
maybe shot my madison, who did that short movie for plectrumelectrum?

i think the majority of prince's unreleased videos are low budget affairs. like some of
the stuff that got released through the npgmc (when eye lay my hands on u etc etc).

i doubt that there are more than 10 very expensive videos in his vault, directed by

people outside of his own camp (like jean baptiste mondino's i wish u heaven etc).

but all the stuff he keeps filming, like a lot of his concerts and aftershows, or even a

whole album project like the 3121 movie, they have to cost a fair bit of money even

if they are 'low budget'.

to be honest i couldn't care less if he never did a video anymore (an expensive one)
if they only cost a lot of money but don't get him any extra album sales or anything.
i'm happy as long as he releases music.

Not sure how many cameras he uses for his live shows, I imagine the habit is also a way of reviewing his performance or it's done like you and I take pictures on a trip. It may not be that expensive for him to have two guys with pro cameras doing that -- it's just functional footage for the most part from what I've seen.

I'd love to see a few more personally but it's not a priority and it's mostly to see how he plays - so music related.

feeluupp said:

Just have Scarfo or Bart answer this thread... Those are the only two u need... As a matter of fact those are the only two you really need on the whole Org.

[Edited 8/16/15 14:42pm]

awwww thanx for such an endearing endorsement of my little 2 cent opinions. lol, the fact is I'm an loyal and strong admirer of Prince's (older) music. For that, he will forsever have an warm place in my heart. Now having said that, I feel Prince has repeatedly made some horrible music. I look at Prince like and A+ Honor roll student who now brings home Ds and Fs. If ya'll notice, I don't argue with other org members who continue to love Prince and his music. I respect other's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. The Last time I purchased a Prince record was AoA and EP, because they was released on my birthday. I felt like it was fate, that I would get them.......sadly those albums sucked ass! (I did kind of like the song WoW thou). Now for this latest HitNRun album...I can honestly say, I have no interest in purchasing it, or to even hear what it sounds like. I'm at the level of simply not caring anymore, when it comes to Prince. I know having said that, I can hear others saying "why come to this site." The answer to that is, I may stop that as well. Prince has honestly turned me off with his complete and otter disregard for his fanbase, and the quality of his music now is...shit. This is the other reason why I don't argue with others over Prince, is I just don't see it worth it. I really don't care what this dude does anymore. I'm at the point, the only thing Prince can do for me now is release the promised 30th Anniversary Deluxe Edition to Purple Rain like he and Warner Bros promised....but I know that's not gonna happen. It's just one of many, many disappointing moves the Artist Formally Known as Successful makes regularly now.

[Edited 8/20/15 21:45pm]

Scarfo said:

feeluupp said:

Just have Scarfo or Bart answer this thread... Those are the only two u need... As a matter of fact those are the only two you really need on the whole Org.

[Edited 8/16/15 14:42pm]

awwww thanx for such an endearing endorsement of my little 2 cent opinions. lol, the fact is I'm an loyal and strong admirer of Prince's (older) music. For that, he will forsever have an warm place in my heart. Now having said that, I feel Prince has repeatedly made some horrible music. I look at Prince like and A+ Honor roll student who now brings home Ds and Fs. If ya'll notice, I don't argue with other org members who continue to love Prince and his music. I respect other's opinions, even if I don't agree with them. The Last time I purchased a Prince record was AoA and EP, because they was released on my birthday. I felt like it was fate, that I would get them.......sadly those albums sucked ass! (I did kind of like the song WoW thou). Now for this latest HitNRun album...I can honestly say, I have no interest in purchasing it, or to even hear what it sounds like. I'm at the level of simply not caring anymore, when it comes to Prince. I know having said that, I can hear others saying "why come to this site." The answer to that is, I may stop that as well. Prince has honestly turned me off with his complete and otter disregard for his fanbase, and the quality of his music now is...shit. This is the other reason why I don't argue with others over Prince, is I just don't see it worth it. I really don't care what this dude does anymore. I'm at the point, the only thing Prince can do for me now is release the promised 30th Anniversary Deluxe Edition to Purple Rain like he and Warner Bros promised....but I know that's not gonna happen. It's just one of many, many disappointing moves the Artist Formally Known as Successful makes regularly now.

[Edited 8/20/15 21:45pm]

Prince released something like 38 albums over a career of almost 40 years now, 38 opportunities to wow, impress, content, mildly fullfill, disappoint, repel or repulse fans partial to half a dozen different genres of music, old fans who still stick around without being complete trolling sphincters are like ancient pearls in his purple-hued diamond-incrusted tiara, so you have to stick around. Just think: one day, Prince will be really old and sentimental and finally look back in wonder at his early years. Happens all the time to retirees.