Alexandernvrmind said:

Militant said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

but no one even heard it. [Edited 7/11/15 12:25pm]

No-one heard Lovesexy?

It sold 3 million records.

That's more than For You, Prince, Dirty Mind, Controversy, Graffiti Bridge, Come, The Black Album, The Gold Experience, C&D, or ANY post-WB album.

There are only 8 albums that sold more than Lovesexy did : 1999, PR, ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT, Batman, D&P, and The Love Symbol.

For a guy that's made 40+ albums, to say "nobody heard it" is total nonsense.

It'd be fair to say nobody heard "N.E.W.S" which sold 40,000, or "New Power Soul" which sold 400,000.

But 3 million people heard Lovesexy. That's a lot of sales for ANY artist. Prince was one of the biggest stars in the world right after Purple Rain, and ATWIAD did 4 million.

Yes, even though his U.S. sales were not as big as they should've been, world wide and over all he was still a big star...

Worldwide you have D&P selling over 6.7M to date... Purple Rain selling over 22M if not more... Parade selling over 4.5M and SOTT selling over 4M...

feeluupp said:

Militant said:

No-one heard Lovesexy?

It sold 3 million records.

That's more than For You, Prince, Dirty Mind, Controversy, Graffiti Bridge, Come, The Black Album, The Gold Experience, C&D, or ANY post-WB album.

There are only 8 albums that sold more than Lovesexy did : 1999, PR, ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT, Batman, D&P, and The Love Symbol.

For a guy that's made 40+ albums, to say "nobody heard it" is total nonsense.

It'd be fair to say nobody heard "N.E.W.S" which sold 40,000, or "New Power Soul" which sold 400,000.

But 3 million people heard Lovesexy. That's a lot of sales for ANY artist. Prince was one of the biggest stars in the world right after Purple Rain, and ATWIAD did 4 million.

Yes, even though his U.S. sales were not as big as they should've been, world wide and over all he was still a big star...

Worldwide you have D&P selling over 6.7M to date... Purple Rain selling over 22M if not more... Parade selling over 4.5M and SOTT selling over 4M...

There are two things Prince could have done to increase his US sales.

1) Release less music and market albums for a longer period of time, a la "Thriller" which was released in 1982 and promoted throughout all of 1983 and 1984.

For comparison, Prince's biggest selling album, Purple Rain, was released in June 1984, and the final single was released in January 1985, just 7 months later. By April 1985, just 10 months afterwards, ATWIAD was out.

2) Release more of the same. Some artists have a hit records, and then they just make the same album over and over and over again. The old, "Don't fix what ain't broken" ideology.

Looking back? I'm GLAD Prince didn't do either of these things. Because in the space of 5/6 years from 84 onwards he made Purple Rain, Ice Cream Castles, The Glamorous Life, Romance 1600, Apollonia 6, ATWIAD, The Family, Parade, Dream Factory, Camille, Crystal Ball, SOTT, Lovesexy, The Black Album, Batman, Graffiti Bridge, Madhouse..... not to mention the movies!

Would you trade all that for a follow up to Purple Rain that sounded pretty similar and did another 20-25 mill? I sure as shit wouldn't.

Alexandernvrmind said:

So I downloaded the single today from iTunes. I still don't think the song is great. The lines where he screams "make this woman scream". Sound forced and while the song is solid he needs a lead in IMO ...it lacks for context. It's not good enough IMO without that. Just sounds like a demo But I really had an issue with the cover art for the single. Why is this old dude still trying to confuse people as to his sexuality That person on the cover is a woman with an image of Prince photoshopped over the top. I am 48 years old and at 48 I don't do or think the same way I did when I was 18 or 28 or 38. Prince is still doing the same shit he was doing when he was a kid. What's the difference between this guy and Caitlin Jenner really? His obvious struggle with his sexuality and gender has been such a distraction to his music. It's has cost him millions of record sales and fans People don't have time for the confusion especially when your not cutting edge anymore. Oh and this song has Rhianna written all over it [Edited 7/10/15 20:55pm]

Dude today might be a good day to start getting a life, seriously.

Doozer said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

IIWYG was brilliant and anyone that actually listened to the song was neither confused or mistaken by its intent guys not all fans of Prines music are fans of his obsession with androgyny You have got to know that

So it's ok for Prince to write a song about how he'd like to be closer to his girlfriend by questioning if it would be different if he was a woman instead of a man but confusing and off putting to put a woman on the cover of his latest single or put on makeup and appear feminine the year after IIWYG was released. . And Prince playing with gender boundaries is more alienating than writing songs with "Pussy" in the title, penning "Jack u Off", changing his name, releasing albums in newspapers, obscuring his face on stage... . There's plenty more you could point at as reasons Prince has alienated potential fans. Sexuality is just one on the list but is very high on YOUR list.

oh stop with the agenda man. If I was your girlfriend is a man singing to his woman about intamacy (not sex). He wants her fully. The kind of intamacy she gives to her girlfriend and doesn't share with him

Doozer said:

Re: Sign O' The Times, it was actually the front side of the 12" that had people thinking it was Prince:

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correct

Alexandernvrmind said:

back in the day,I knew that this wasn't Prince For one thing,this person has long legs and we all know that Prince is short...lol...can't see why some people got confused.

Doozer said:

Re: Sign O' The Times, it was actually the front side of the 12" that had people thinking it was Prince:

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IstenSzek said:

Doozer said:

Re: Sign O' The Times, it was actually the front side of the 12" that had people thinking it was Prince:

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correct

I was always more confused by the other one where you can see her face.

It's more obvious here that its Cat because under her arms are clear and you can see the tissue of her boobs going up into her armpits.

SoulAlive said:

Militant said:

jdcxc said:

Militant said:

There are two things Prince could have done to increase his US sales.

1) Release less music and market albums for a longer period of time, a la "Thriller" which was released in 1982 and promoted throughout all of 1983 and 1984.

For comparison, Prince's biggest selling album, Purple Rain, was released in June 1984, and the final single was released in January 1985, just 7 months later. By April 1985, just 10 months afterwards, ATWIAD was out.

2) Release more of the same. Some artists have a hit records, and then they just make the same album over and over and over again. The old, "Don't fix what ain't broken" ideology.

Looking back? I'm GLAD Prince didn't do either of these things. Because in the space of 5/6 years from 84 onwards he made Purple Rain, Ice Cream Castles, The Glamorous Life, Romance 1600, Apollonia 6, ATWIAD, The Family, Parade, Dream Factory, Camille, Crystal Ball, SOTT, Lovesexy, The Black Album, Batman, Graffiti Bridge, Madhouse..... not to mention the movies!

Would you trade all that for a follow up to Purple Rain that sounded pretty similar and did another 20-25 mill? I sure as shit wouldn't.

Prince fans are extremely spoiled by the the quantity and wealth of recorded material by an artist over a 40 year career. I would argue that there is no equal in the history of popular music as it relates to his productivity. If your an MJ fan, your pretty much done with new suprises. Prince is a bottomless well.

what about that indian musician who has 11,000 songs...his fans must be in hell...?

jdcxc said:

. Prince is a bottomless well.

One of the reasons I love him so much.

Think about all the stuff we've heard from him. And then remember there's still more we haven't heard. Amazing.

I kind of see what the OP is saying. Some people are really just fans of Prince's music and can hate his over the top femininity/flamboyance and the image he portrays. It is pretty much useless to expect him to change because Prince has been girly since Day 1, when posing for For You era pictures in the '70s. He'll never change. But while I found Lovesexy sexy, I even dug the 'Gold' era, and such, I really don't get why he keeps having females dress up as him and basically 'be/act' him. That... is just kind of ughh, in my opinion. At this point, if he finally agrees to a biopic about his life, he'll probably have a woman portray him

And yeah, it's no secret that his feminine appearance has both helped and hurt him. For example, what was 'in' and 'hot' in 1984 (Prince's appearance) started looking 'gay' and over-the-top by 1988. I read in one of the Prince biographies (it wasn't Per Nilsen, can't remember what it was called), that said that after the US reaction to "Lovesexy", Prince re-did his image to look a little less feminine. I think you can see that in "Batdance", simple dark outfit and long hair. He looked much more like a stereotypical rock star in that vid than I'd ever seen from him. And even the 'Partyman' disguise was more weird, less feminine

CharismaDove said:

Oh gawd...

You should've given up on Prince from the beginning then!

Alexandernvrmind said:

CharismaDove said:

I kind of see what the OP is saying. Some people are really just fans of Prince's music and can hate his over the top femininity/flamboyance and the image he portrays. It is pretty much useless to expect him to change because Prince has been girly since Day 1, when posing for For You era pictures in the '70s. He'll never change. But while I found Lovesexy sexy, I even dug the 'Gold' era, and such, I really don't get why he keeps having females dress up as him and basically 'be/act' him. That... is just kind of ughh, in my opinion. At this point, if he finally agrees to a biopic about his life, he'll probably have a woman portray him

Thx for the response man. You seem to be the only one that not only got my point but even made an attempt to understand. Not all Prince music fans are into the other stuff that comes along with the music The BCW video is an excellent example. Enough already lol

Paging Doctor Freud...

Feminity is all over Prince's music and you're fans. So, at some level, you are not repulsed by that, au contraire. But it's often implicit or counterbalanced by his masculine pursuit of sex.

Then when he makes it more explicit, you're uncomfortable.

Knowing that a lot of mental activity is unconscious, perhaps you have to wonder why you get frustrated? Don't worry guys, sexuality is a continuum.

Doozer said:

I have tried to understand the OP's point, but one fact stands in the way: Prince's flamboyance and his musicianship are not mutually exclusive. Suppress his sexuality and you suppress the heart of much of his brilliance. Ask him to be "less weird" and what you're left with is a normal man who can play a bunch of instruments and write dribble like The Arms of Orion - sugary sweet and boring as hell. When did anyone get excited about music or musicians who had great talent but didn't challenge convention? . How does it make your appreciation for an artist any less enjoyable if part of his schtick turns others off? You can't enjoy it as much unless it's universally accepted and pushes no boundaries, treads on safe ground all the time without exception? . B O R I N G . There's plenty of good, boring music out there if that's what you're after. If you can't sometimes ask "WTF is this guy doing??" then I guess just enjoy your safe tastes and all the expected, unsurprising music in your life.

This.

poisonmouth said:

I don't think Prince likes showing himself in pics anymore since he's gotten older.

1contessa said:

I don't think Prince likes showing himself in pics anymore since he's gotten older.

I don't think so.

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Doozer said:

I have tried to understand the OP's point, but one fact stands in the way: Prince's flamboyance and his musicianship are not mutually exclusive. Suppress his sexuality and you suppress the heart of much of his brilliance. Ask him to be "less weird" and what you're left with is a normal man who can play a bunch of instruments and write dribble like The Arms of Orion - sugary sweet and boring as hell. When did anyone get excited about music or musicians who had great talent but didn't challenge convention? . How does it make your appreciation for an artist any less enjoyable if part of his schtick turns others off? You can't enjoy it as much unless it's universally accepted and pushes no boundaries, treads on safe ground all the time without exception? . B O R I N G . There's plenty of good, boring music out there if that's what you're after. If you can't sometimes ask "WTF is this guy doing??" then I guess just enjoy your safe tastes and all the expected, unsurprising music in your life.

You bring up some good points in this post. And I completely agree. Part of the reason why I became so attracted to the "idea" of Prince in the first place was how unconventional his image was. All the flamboyance and sexuality, and other things you bring up and a huge part of his appeal comes from how he plays the game in his OWN way, all the time. But while these sort of things led to masterpieces like "If I Was Your Girlfriend" back in the day, some of his actions today (such as him having a woman impersonate him, which is what the OP talked about) just aren't stuff I find that cool. And that's just my opinion, and I fully understand that others will dig P's gender-bending. And that's cool too. In the end, it's all about taste. If Prince was to put out "If I Was Your Girlfriend - Part II" while doing this, then my opinion would be different... which is why I love the 'Lovesexy' and 'Gold' eras, and how I get a kick out of the SOTT single cover with Cat. But the BCW video, in contrast, was just not my taste. I like when P LOOKS feminine, but not when he has girls BE him

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Aerogram said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

CharismaDove said: Thx for the response man. You seem to be the only one that not only got my point but even made an attempt to understand. Not all Prince music fans are into the other stuff that comes along with the music The BCW video is an excellent example. Enough already lol

Paging Doctor Freud...

Feminity is all over Prince's music and you're fans. So, at some level, you are not repulsed by that, au contraire. But it's often implicit or counterbalanced by his masculine pursuit of sex.

Then when he makes it more explicit, you're uncomfortable.

Knowing that a lot of mental activity is unconscious, perhaps you have to wonder why you get frustrated? Don't worry guys, sexuality is a continuum.

Personally, I'm not frustrated at all. It's not like Prince's blurring of gender roles comes across as a massive shock I just don't dig the artwork. That's all

Alexandernvrmind said:

CharismaDove said:

I kind of see what the OP is saying. Some people are really just fans of Prince's music and can hate his over the top femininity/flamboyance and the image he portrays. It is pretty much useless to expect him to change because Prince has been girly since Day 1, when posing for For You era pictures in the '70s. He'll never change. But while I found Lovesexy sexy, I even dug the 'Gold' era, and such, I really don't get why he keeps having females dress up as him and basically 'be/act' him. That... is just kind of ughh, in my opinion. At this point, if he finally agrees to a biopic about his life, he'll probably have a woman portray him

Thx for the response man. You seem to be the only one that not only got my point but even made an attempt to understand. Not all Prince music fans are into the other stuff that comes along with the music The BCW video is an excellent example. Enough already lol

I first realized that not all fans were into his image when there was a "Is Prince Sexy" thread. It was surprising, but I realized some people like "Sign o' the Times", for example, but not the image he has to go along with it. It's understandable.

Militant said:

See, these looks to me are a high-point of Prince's career, visually. Totally bad-ass.

That 2nd pic definitely 'totally bad' and in the worst way.

99.8% of women on this planet say ick! to that look and wouldn't be caught dead with him in that.... whatever that look is.

EroticDreamer said: