KingSausage said:

djThunderfunk said:

Rimshottbob said:

I can't believe anyone really trusts in some random streaming site to take care of the music they love so much.

REALLY?

Streaming has only ever been a last resort for me - a bit like a musical bibliography, to explore what's out there before I find it from another source - for exactly this reason... everything's fine and then one day, an artist changes their mind (as they should, Spotify are only one tier up from daylight robbers with the 'fees' they pay artists - Spotify: great for listeners, terrible for artists), or a company goes bust and their catalogue goes with it.... or there's a massive hard drive/server crash and everything you've lovingly saved is toast, accompanied by a 'sorrrrryyyyyyy'.... we've all seen how fast things change in the technological world... why would anyone trust that?

This is why i don't use the cloud for ANYTHING.... why would I entrust some 9-5 geek who doesn't give a shit sitting in an office someplace with a whirring and blinking server next to him with stuff that is important to me? These people have CONVINCED us that cloud/streaming technology is 'the future', because that's the business they're in. That's how they make their money, if they can convince the world that their way is the only way, they make that much more money. That don't make it so.

This goes for my work as well as my hobbies... pictures I take? Either taken on film, or stored on a local hard drive and backed up locally on another....

my music? Either on vinyl or CD.... nearly 11,000 albums in my iTunes library now, none of it in the cloud, all of it on local hard drives that are backed up locally...

Movies I own? On Bluray, DVD, or digitised onto local hard drives that are backed up locally.

And people go on about streaming services like they are the be-all end-all of music listening... you mean like we thought vinyl/8-track/cassette/CD/MiniDisc was?

It's always changing... and all the crying about 'how are the young people going to find Prince's music? Wah... he's going to become so obscure...!' - if a youngster has no more sense and wherewithal in finding their music than by going to a corporate company online then screw them. IF they LOVE music they will be curious about it and will hunt out the good stuff.... hey, that's what I did... through multiple ways and platforms. Online/friends/second hand record shops/eBay/boot sales, etc...

And who the hell wants those coporate companies deciding what I might like or want to listen to? 'oh, you told us you like x and y, so you must like this. WE have compiled a playlist that will fit you perfectly..' UGH!!! Can we turn music into ANY MORE OF A CORPORATE COMMODITY??!! COME ON! Wake the fuck UP people. There's nothing cool or rock'n'roll or EXCITING or romantic about discovering a new band because APPLE FUCKING MUSIC told you about them. JESUS.

But oh, it's cool, cause this playlist they compiled really fits my Sunday morning mood, when I'm making my coffee and loving me some weekend sunshine. And I didn't have to put ANY EFFORT into it either. It was just there, likw wallpaper, and is a perfect alternative to silence. BARF.

And as for Prince's music? Why does everyone care so much about 'the youngsters'? If his music is that good it will endure, one way or another, if it isn't it won't. And there's plenty of places on the planet where Prince's music can be found and enjoyed. Streaming services don't have any monopoly. They're just the latest flavor of the month.

THAT's why Prince is happy removing his music from them... because he foresees something better - he's done this a lot... 'just because these companies have decreed that this is how things are done now, that don't make it so'.*

*This does not excuse the fact that Prince is a terrible businessman in his own right. But he is a good 'ideas' man, with strong vision. He just usually fails at realising that vision when it comes to business models.

Well, most of it anyway. Great rant!

Seconded!

RobotDevil said:

djThunderfunk said:

Well, most of it anyway. Great rant!

Seconded!

seconded again

warning2all said:

CandaceS said:

And what if the streaming services refuse to pay him what he wants? Will he just disappear from them?

Exactly. The dollar value Prince puts on his music is greater than the demand for it in 2015. Nobody's going to be getting out the credit card to pa more for "Thieves in The Temple", or "Money Don't Matter 2nite"

Um,, he has the most, important, iconic catalog of music over last 40 years , and not even gonna sit here and debate that...They will come around...Please stop saying dumb shit

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lwr001 said:

warning2all said:

CandaceS said: Exactly. The dollar value Prince puts on his music is greater than the demand for it in 2015. Nobody's going to be getting out the credit card to pa more for "Thieves in The Temple", or "Money Don't Matter 2nite"

Um,, he has the most, important, iconic catalog of music over last 40 years , and not even gonna sit here and debate that...They will come around...Please stop saying dumb shit

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Yes he has one of the most iconic catalogs... But as the TIMES EVOLVE... And when people access music through INTERNET, SOCIAL MEDIA, STREAMING sites... The new generation doesn't have access to his music anymore.

Are they going to go to their cd store and buy The Black Album or Lovesexy? Hell you can't even get a copy of The Gold Experience or even 3121 at a cd store... BTW are there CD stores anymore??

For Prince to be on streaming is important in this day and age, how can people have access to his music besides the 40 year old fans that already have his catalouge on vinyl and cd??

It's like being in the 90's and Prince all of a sudden tells everyone sorry my music isn't allowed on CD anymore, only 8 tracks...

The fact you can find almost nothing on Prince on YouTube and can't find his music anywhere on major streaming sites, and the couple sites that do don't even have his full catalouge... It's scary because in 10 more years how will the new generation even know about Prince, where can they find his music? Just buy cd's on eBay??

feeluupp said:

lwr001 said:

Um,, he has the most, important, iconic catalog of music over last 40 years , and not even gonna sit here and debate that...They will come around...Please stop saying dumb shit

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Yes he has one of the most iconic catalogs... But as the TIMES EVOLVE... And when people access music through INTERNET, SOCIAL MEDIA, STREAMING sites... The new generation doesn't have access to his music anymore.

Are they going to go to their cd store and buy The Black Album or Lovesexy? Hell you can't even get a copy of The Gold Experience or even 3121 at a cd store... BTW are there CD stores anymore??

For Prince to be on streaming is important in this day and age, how can people have access to his music besides the 40 year old fans that already have his catalouge on vinyl and cd??

It's like being in the 90's and Prince all of a sudden tells everyone sorry my music isn't allowed on CD anymore, only 8 tracks...

The fact you can find almost nothing on Prince on YouTube and can't find his music anywhere on major streaming sites, and the couple sites that do don't even have his full catalouge... It's scary because in 10 more years how will the new generation even know about Prince, where can they find his music? Just buy cd's on eBay??

he will be on his own terms..he not losing anything to remove for time being; long game being played..he never struck me as the typr to grab 100 when he could wait and get 1000..

How will the new generation have access to PRINCE'S MUSIC?!!!!!!

feeluupp said:

How will the new generation have access to PRINCE'S MUSIC?!!!!!!

they will on his terms though

lwr001 said:

feeluupp said:

How will the new generation have access to PRINCE'S MUSIC?!!!!!!

they will on his terms though

His terms means they can't...

feeluupp said:

lwr001 said:

they will on his terms though

His terms means they can't...

for now....lastly, i am going to trust the trust and roll wit the guy who has been int he game at a high level for the better part of 4 decades over anyones opinion on wht he shoud,could, would be doing on here..His bonafides are intact; where are yours just saying

feeluupp said:

Eye can't wait till ultimate plan evolves. Then everyone will be shocked with the ending results. He knows what he's doing.

Why noone doubts boring ass Taylor Smith when she does it?

Until they change the algorithm of how people are paid and how our money is spent, then I think it's a good move for big acts to challenge the music industry this way.

If I pay 10 dollars a month for my account, and I play ONE song, I'd want all that money to go to that ONE song. I don't want the rest of my money to be collected and then spread to other artists. That's how it is now.

lwr001 said:

feeluupp said:

His terms means they can't...

for now....lastly, i am going to trust the trust and roll wit the guy who has been int he game at a high level for the better part of 4 decades over anyones opinion on wht he shoud,could, would be doing on here..His bonafides are intact; where are yours just saying

Ur right... I'm no musician.

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feeluupp said:

lwr001 said:

for now....lastly, i am going to trust the trust and roll wit the guy who has been int he game at a high level for the better part of 4 decades over anyones opinion on wht he shoud,could, would be doing on here..His bonafides are intact; where are yours just saying

Ur right... I'm no musician... But in my field u can watch me on PPV... It's called... MMA.

Nice ,, hope you do well if not already, it would presumptious of me to tell you how to run your MMA business.. As an aside, ,I use to drink at the Black Rose where Dana bounced back iin the day and we went to college together at UMASS Boston

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lwr001 said:

feeluupp said:

Ur right... I'm no musician... But in my field u can watch me on PPV... It's called... MMA.

Nice ,, hope you do well if not already, it would presumptious of me to tell you how to run your MMA business.. As an aside, ,I use to drink at the Black Rose where Dana bounced back iin the day and we went to college together at UMASS Boston

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I'll tell him that when I see him next weekend.

feeluupp said:

lwr001 said:

Nice ,, hope you do well if not already, it would presumptious of me to tell you how to run your MMA business.. As an aside, ,I use to drink at the Black Rose where Dana bounced back iin the day and we went to college together at UMASS Boston

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I'll tell him that when I see him next weekend.

you should!!!! we werent friends

lwr001 said:

feeluupp said:

I'll tell him that when I see him next weekend.

you should!!!! we werent friends

He's not a Prince fan either

But anyway... I hope Prince's music is more available on a bigger platform, so many people are missing out on his music

Prince once again being a bit of an activist in giving an advantage to Tidal as well as again taking a stand on the way musicians don't get paid. Don't get me started on his contradictions, but this for once is consistent.

Not sure how much money Prince is deriving from streaming, it's likely chump change for him but I don't think Tidal is going to last, so this might well be Prince doing Jay Z a favor in return.

Aerogram said:

Prince once again being a bit of an activist in giving an advantage to Tidal as well as again taking a stand on the way musicians don't get paid. Don't get me started on his contradictions, but this for once is consistent.

Not sure how much money Prince is deriving from streaming, it's likely chump change for him but I don't think Tidal is going to last, so this might well be Prince doing Jay Z a favor in return.

could very well be Prince helping out a friend....An you are right, whatever monies he recieves is irrelevant in his life, with that , he still doesnt want to not receive top dollar for it... I applaud him

Aerogram said:

Prince once again being a bit of an activist in giving an advantage to Tidal as well as again taking a stand on the way musicians don't get paid. Don't get me started on his contradictions, but this for once is consistent.

Not sure how much money Prince is deriving from streaming, it's likely chump change for him but I don't think Tidal is going to last, so this might well be Prince doing Jay Z a favor in return.

I'm sure he stands to make more streamng to a younger audience than he can sell to them. Since he owns the masters now - there's no label taking the lions share. He can probably do decently enough to make it worth bothering with the streaming.

Some guy on Facebook agrees with P's move and he is saying that Prince is from the old days, before internet/CDs, and he's actually keeping his "dignity" by removing his music.

Still, it's hard to find a lot of P's music. I used to download his discograph from PirateBay.org, as well as Prince's iVault. Good times.

lwr001 said:

thedance said:

That's good I hate streaming, go and buy the cd and/or Lp vinyls..

Agreed.

Make your own mix and play it loud !

As for Prince doing this...it's his music and he has every right to do with it as he pleases.

If he wants to sell cd's and downloads or give it away for free that's up to him.

Especially when artists get a much smaller piece of the pie - or virtually nothing - thru streaming services.

warning2all said:

lwr001 said:

Um,, he has the most, important, iconic catalog of music over last 40 years , and not even gonna sit here and debate that...They will come around...Please stop saying dumb shit

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Naturally a big Prince fan thinks he "has the most important, iconic, catalog of music over the last 40 years"....please. I won't stoop to saying,"stop saying dumb shit" as you did, but if you think anything past 1987 comprises "the most important,iconic catalog of music over the past 40 years"...you can't be talked to. "Mplsound", "Plectrum Electrum" "Newpower Soul", "Kamasutra", "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic", "Planet Earth", "Purple and Gold","Jughead", "Golden Parachute", "Work That Fat", "Graffiti Bridge", "Chaos And Disorder", "Musicology", "20Ten",..just a few shining examples of the most important, iconic catalog of the past 40 years. If you say so.

I see you dont mention DM, Controvery, 1999, PR, Around the World, Parade, Sign and Lovesexy..what say you..who's catalog is better..i'll wait for it

KingSausage said:

I don't think people are really arguing that Prince doesn't have a right to remove his music from any and all streaming sights. Rather, people are lamenting that such decisions make it much more difficult for new fans or potential fans to discover his amazing back catalog. Regardless of what you personally think of streaming -- love it, like it, hate it, don't give a fuck about it -- streaming is how many if not most people engage in music these days. When Prince's music isn't there, his legacy vanishes a little bit more. He's willing to pay that cost, and it's his decision. But let's not kid ourselves about the potential impact on new fans. It sucks for them.

I agree,,,hopefully he will reach an agreement with those sites that is amenable to him

KingSausage said:

I don't think people are really arguing that Prince doesn't have a right to remove his music from any and all streaming sights. Rather, people are lamenting that such decisions make it much more difficult for new fans or potential fans to discover his amazing back catalog. Regardless of what you personally think of streaming -- love it, like it, hate it, don't give a fuck about it -- streaming is how many if not most people engage in music these days. When Prince's music isn't there, his legacy vanishes a little bit more. He's willing to pay that cost, and it's his decision. But let's not kid ourselves about the potential impact on new fans. It sucks for them.

Exactly that's what I've been trying to say...

I'm trying to say this with respect so I don't sound ignorant... But I feel a lot of the fans here complaining they don't like streaming or they have their Prince catalouge already on their cd's lp's and mp3's... I feel they are not getting the jist of what u just said, I also feel like those people are "OLDER" fans of Prince...

The whole point of him not be accessable anymore on social platforms, youtube and streaming site... Is not his image that's diffucult to find it's the most important thing which is the MUSIC...

How many people of the new generation will know about Prince if they can't find any concert or music video on YouTube? Face it the majority of people stream music now a days not go to the stores and buy it... That's the exact point, his legacy is vanishing more and more to the next gneration... Not to you people who been there and saw it... It's the next generation then the generation after that and after that... He isn't keeping up with the times anymore, he's hibernating himself from it... Everything evolves, and he is not anymore, in terms of a distribution sense.

BEAUGARDE said:

Prince is back on Spotify! Happy Independence Day

Not on the U.S. version... Just checked.