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Reply #30 posted 06/10/15 10:14am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Animal Kingdom - No.


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Reply #31 posted 06/10/15 10:25am

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"Comeback" came on in the car... and I really like it as a standalone track. Would have been a great b-side if b-sides were a thing.

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Reply #32 posted 06/10/15 11:21am

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KingSausage said:

Comeback is mega depressing. When I first got the album I thought Circle of Amour was about Mary, Claire, Denise, and BILL. I was like damn, I don't know who this Bill is, but he's got a good thing going!

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Reply #33 posted 06/10/15 11:44am

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It's an artier album vs a pop album so the reception by the masses is understandable. These types of releases rarely garner much mainstream attention, but loved y those who care and love art.

It's not for everyone, that's for sure. Certain voices here may call it boring becasue they long whatever in the many facets they love about Prince. So it's not for those who's appreciation of Prince is narrow and one dimesional.

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Reply #34 posted 06/10/15 12:36pm

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KingSausage said:

Comeback is mega depressing.

When I first got the album I thought Circle of Amour was about Mary, Claire, Denise, and BILL. I was like damn, I don't know who this Bill is, but he's got a good thing going!

You're funny! biggrin
But... I don't think Comeback is depressing at all.
"If U ever lose someone dear 2U, never say the words "they're gone" and they'll come back"
That's not depressing. I know what it's like to lose someone dear to you and I find it hopeful and uplifting.
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Reply #35 posted 06/10/15 12:42pm

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NorthC said:

KingSausage said:

Comeback is mega depressing.

When I first got the album I thought Circle of Amour was about Mary, Claire, Denise, and BILL. I was like damn, I don't know who this Bill is, but he's got a good thing going!

You're funny! biggrin
But... I don't think Comeback is depressing at all.
"If U ever lose someone dear 2U, never say the words "they're gone" and they'll come back"
That's not depressing. I know what it's like to lose someone dear to you and I find it hopeful and uplifting.


Totally agree on Comeback; if you've lost someone close it strikes a chord. It's maybe his most personal song, after what happened back then.
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Reply #36 posted 06/10/15 1:00pm

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dodger said:

NorthC said:


You're funny! biggrin
But... I don't think Comeback is depressing at all.
"If U ever lose someone dear 2U, never say the words "they're gone" and they'll come back"
That's not depressing. I know what it's like to lose someone dear to you and I find it hopeful and uplifting.


Totally agree on Comeback; if you've lost someone close it strikes a chord. It's maybe his most personal song, after what happened back then.

It's the "Tears go here." part.
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Reply #37 posted 06/10/15 1:02pm

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dodger said:

NorthC said:


You're funny! biggrin
But... I don't think Comeback is depressing at all.
"If U ever lose someone dear 2U, never say the words "they're gone" and they'll come back"
That's not depressing. I know what it's like to lose someone dear to you and I find it hopeful and uplifting.


Totally agree on Comeback; if you've lost someone close it strikes a chord. It's maybe his most personal song, after what happened back then.



It strikes a chord with me. Both uplifting and depressing at the same time. It's a powerful, POWERFUL song.
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Reply #38 posted 06/10/15 1:11pm

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Over the weekend I listened to the Peach & Black Podcast and they reviewed this album and recommended listening to it on headphones. I did and man it is more than just an acoustic album there is a lot happening in these songs. I like most of the sound effects the few I don't I can forgive because these are great songs. Fascination and Dionne are shimmering weirdness and I love them for that. I hope we get a vinyl version of this jank. Every song here let's us inside the world of Prince that doesn't happen a lot. Prince has always liked younger women so the Circle of Amour is not creepy to me. It might've happened in real life.
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Reply #39 posted 06/10/15 1:28pm

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iZsaZsa said:

dodger said:



Totally agree on Comeback; if you've lost someone close it strikes a chord. It's maybe his most personal song, after what happened back then.

It's the "Tears go here." part.


Yes, that gets me every time. Sometimes if I'm thinking about my mother (who has past away) I'll play this back to back with Reflection.
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Reply #40 posted 06/10/15 1:31pm

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KingSausage said:

Comeback is mega depressing.

When I first got the album I thought Circle of Amour was about Mary, Claire, Denise, and BILL. I was like damn, I don't know who this Bill is, but he's got a good thing going!

lol
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Reply #41 posted 06/10/15 1:32pm

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I've been saying for years that The Truth is HIGHLY underrated. There are no skip-able tracks on it, imo. Even "Animal Kingdom" is such a wacky song that it's still an interesting listen. The Truth deserves far more respect than it gets. biggrin

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Reply #42 posted 06/10/15 1:37pm

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KingSausage said:

I think The Truth is the most ignored Prince album. I understand why the general public doesn't know about it, given that maybe .000000003% of them bought Crystal Ball. But even on the Org, The Truth comes up for discussion far less often than other Prince albums. This sucks, because it's a masterpiece! Runner-up for most ignored Prince album: One Nite Alone (the piano album). Discuss or something.

Question: any accoustic songs in the future?
TheArtst: the truth album is almost completely acoustic

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Reply #43 posted 06/10/15 1:39pm

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http://prince.org/msg/7/404685 the Truth 1997/98 Emancipation Music

The Truth is the first track on Prince's 21st album The Truth (his fifth under the name ), but a year before the album's release, The Truth was released as the album's first and only single by mail-order only.

Specific recording dates are not known, but the track is believed to have been recorded in Autumn 1996 at Paisley Park Studios, Chanhassen, MN, USA (along with the rest of the album). -PrinceVault

What if half the things ever said turned out to be a lie
How will yo know the truth?
If you were given all the answers and you stopped to wonder why
But how will you know the truth?

Everybody's got a right to love
Everybody's got a right to lie
But the choice you make ain't no piece of cake
It ain't no MF piece of pie

What if time's only reason
Was to give us all somethin' to fear?
And if so y'all, the end of the journey's so clear

Questionnaire, what did you stand for?
Questionnaire, who did you save?
When it gets right down to-wait a minute
When it gets right down to the ditty of the gritty
When it gets right down to it you take more than you gave

Everybody got a right to love
Everybody got a right to lie
But the choice you make ain't no piece of cake
It ain't no MFMF piece of pie

Mmm, oh
Gotta tell the truth y'all
(Gonna)
Gotta tell the truth
Gotta tell the truth y'all

Gotta tell the truth
Gotta tell the truth y'all
Gotta tell the truth

If there was just one day
That everybody tell the truth

Image:Thetruth single.jpg

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Reply #44 posted 06/10/15 1:54pm

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iZsaZsa said:

dodger said:



Totally agree on Comeback; if you've lost someone close it strikes a chord. It's maybe his most personal song, after what happened back then.

It's the "Tears go here." part.


For me, it's the imagery of the opening lines. He's a little warm from running up the stairs, and is feeling refreshed by a "sweet wind," then suddenly realizing that the wind was a passing spirit. What an incredibly heartbreaking and personal moment to share in a song.

The first time I heard it, I got goosebumps, welled up, and then felt completely numb. That's never happened with any song before or since.

I can see the uplifting aspect of it, but the opening lines are just too much.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #45 posted 06/10/15 4:50pm

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

iZsaZsa said:


It's the "Tears go here." part.


For me, it's the imagery of the opening lines. He's a little warm from running up the stairs, and is feeling refreshed by a "sweet wind," then suddenly realizing that the wind was a passing spirit. What an incredibly heartbreaking and personal moment to share in a song.

The first time I heard it, I got goosebumps, welled up, and then felt completely numb. That's never happened with any song before or since.

I can see the uplifting aspect of it, but the opening lines are just too much.

hug
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Reply #46 posted 06/10/15 4:55pm

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iZsaZsa said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:



For me, it's the imagery of the opening lines. He's a little warm from running up the stairs, and is feeling refreshed by a "sweet wind," then suddenly realizing that the wind was a passing spirit. What an incredibly heartbreaking and personal moment to share in a song.

The first time I heard it, I got goosebumps, welled up, and then felt completely numb. That's never happened with any song before or since.

I can see the uplifting aspect of it, but the opening lines are just too much.

hug



The line that gets me is when he sings "but I think you already know." It breaks my heart every time.
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Reply #47 posted 06/10/15 5:01pm

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KingSausage said:

iZsaZsa said:


hug



The line that gets me is when he sings "but I think you already know." It breaks my heart every time.

That you miss them. hug That's why they comeback.
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Reply #48 posted 06/10/15 5:01pm

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agreed. THAT should have been a regular release CD.

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Reply #49 posted 06/10/15 7:07pm

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KingSausage said:

I think The Truth is the most ignored Prince album. I understand why the general public doesn't know about it, given that maybe .000000003% of them bought Crystal Ball. But even on the Org, The Truth comes up for discussion far less often than other Prince albums. This sucks, because it's a masterpiece! Runner-up for most ignored Prince album: One Nite Alone (the piano album). Discuss or something.


The Truth = THE worst Prince album ever!

Excuse me, but going the MTV Unplugged route is a good idea if you're Eric Clapton (who I blame for giving MTV this idea in the first place!) and Mariah Carey. But if you're Prince? No! Listen to Prince's music without electricity is just plain wrong and not natural.

OK, rant over. mr.green

[Edited 6/10/15 19:57pm]

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Reply #50 posted 06/10/15 7:50pm

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TonyVanDam said:


The Truth = THE worst Prince album ever!

Excuse me, but going the MTV Unplugged route is a good idea if you're Eric Clapton (who I blame for giving MTV this idea in the first place!) and Mariah Carey. But if you're Prince? No! Listen to Prince's music without electicity is just plain wrong and not natural.

OK, rant over. mr.green



The Truth is faaaar from the worst Prince album. Nothing at all unnatural about hearing his music without electric guitar solos. There's more than enough of that to go around, and some of it is truly his worst work.
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Reply #51 posted 06/10/15 8:01pm

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Doozer said:

TonyVanDam said:

The Truth = THE worst Prince album ever!

Excuse me, but going the MTV Unplugged route is a good idea if you're Eric Clapton (who I blame for giving MTV this idea in the first place!) and Mariah Carey. But if you're Prince? No! Listen to Prince's music without electicity is just plain wrong and not natural.

OK, rant over. mr.green


The Truth is faaaar from the worst Prince album. Nothing at all unnatural about hearing his music without electric guitar solos. There's more than enough of that to go around, and some of it is truly his worst work. [Edited 6/10/15 19:51pm]


You tell me which Prince album worst than The Truth.

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Reply #52 posted 06/10/15 8:23pm

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TonyVanDam said:



Doozer said:



TonyVanDam said:

The Truth = THE worst Prince album ever!

Excuse me, but going the MTV Unplugged route is a good idea if you're Eric Clapton (who I blame for giving MTV this idea in the first place!) and Mariah Carey. But if you're Prince? No! Listen to Prince's music without electicity is just plain wrong and not natural.

OK, rant over. mr.green




The Truth is faaaar from the worst Prince album. Nothing at all unnatural about hearing his music without electric guitar solos. There's more than enough of that to go around, and some of it is truly his worst work. [Edited 6/10/15 19:51pm]


You tell me which Prince album worst than The Truth.



Really? Please. Planet Earth. MPLSound. NPS. Musicology. NEWS. Emancipation.
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Reply #53 posted 06/10/15 9:39pm

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KingSausage said:

TonyVanDam said:


You tell me which Prince album worst than The Truth.


Really? Please. Planet Earth. MPLSound. NPS. Musicology. NEWS. Emancipation.


eek Musicology?!? Emancipation?!? Oh bullshit! lol You can NOT be serious. Both albums were Prince's greatest career comebacks. And both albums were NOT boring.

The Truth, for what it is as a Prince album, is boring! No keyboard synths (apart from Circle Of Armore, if you're into ambient-inspired synth pads)? No electric guitar? No good drum patterns from drum kit or drum machine? Excuse me, but The Truth really is the worst Prince album ever.

I stand by my words. wink

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Reply #54 posted 06/11/15 12:16am

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TonyVanDam said:



KingSausage said:



TonyVanDam said:



You tell me which Prince album worst than The Truth.




Really? Please. Planet Earth. MPLSound. NPS. Musicology. NEWS. Emancipation.


eek Musicology?!? Emancipation?!? Oh bullshit! lol You can NOT be serious. Both albums were Prince's greatest career comebacks. And both albums were NOT boring.

The Truth, for what it is as a Prince album, is boring! No keyboard synths (apart from Circle Of Armore, if you're into ambient-inspired synth pads)? No electric guitar? No good drum patterns from drum kit or drum machine? Excuse me, but The Truth really is the worst Prince album ever.

I stand by my words. wink




You've got an entire thread full of people above you expressing their love for The Truth and describing (sometimes in great detail) why they think the album is so fantastic. It's much more complex than simply missing keyboard synths and drum patterns. I debated even responding because that notion is so silly that this must be a joke. You're kidding, right? Who listens to an acoustic album and gets pissed because there are no electric guitars?! This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Also, Emancipation was a comeback album? Um, yeah, if he was making a grand comeback to the bargain bins!
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Reply #55 posted 06/11/15 12:32am

NorthC

Come on guys, harmony now! If this site learned me anything, then it's that whatever Prince did, there's always someone who likes it and someone who hates it. While I don' agree with Tony, I do see his point. I listened to The Truth again and it does sound a bit unfinished. Prince is at his best when he's funky, but this album is a nice little interlude.
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Reply #56 posted 06/11/15 12:53am

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aaroncanderson said:

Over the weekend I listened to the Peach & Black Podcast and they reviewed this album and recommended listening to it on headphones. I did and man it is more than just an acoustic album there is a lot happening in these songs.

Yep, this album is definitely a great headphone listen smile

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Reply #57 posted 06/11/15 5:11am

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Personnel
Musicians
  • - all vocals, instruments and effects ("in association with nature") except where noted
  • Rhonda Smith - bass guitar on 3rd , Animal Kingdom and One Of Your Tears, bass, vocals and percussion on Fascination
  • Kirk Johnson - percussion and vocals on Fascination, beat programming on Circle Of Amour and One Of Your Tears
  • Kat Dyson - vocals and percussion on Fascination
  • Mike Scott - guitar solo on Fascination

Production
  • Prince - Producer and Arranger
  • Hans-Martin Buff - engineer, mastering (Grundmann Mastering, Hollywood, CA, USA)
  • Brian Gardner - mastering (Grundmann Mastering, Hollywood, CA, USA)
  • Ric Wilson - mastering (Grundmann Mastering, Hollywood, CA, USA)
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Reply #58 posted 06/11/15 5:12am

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On the title track of The Truth, the Artist comes off like Tracy Chapman's older brother, the formal genius, turning his meticulously natural singing voice to tough questions about responsibility and honesty. Of course, he knows as well as anyone that there's no more "truth," necessarily, in this style of music than there is in "P. Control." But the game here is up-close folkiedom, and hearing the Artist minus his usual musical constructs is interesting. On songs like "Don't Play Me" and "One of Your Tears," the Artist reconditions his sensational studio style, buffing everything down to a fine shine on a guitar line or two. The shocker is "Circle of Amour," a Joni Mitchell-ish ballad with a quietly twisted rhythm track. This remarkable portrait of female friendship before and after cheerleading practice hits with the same wallop of teenage truth as Big Star's "Thirteen." Certainly not all of Crystal Ball scales such heights. But for Paisleyheads, it's one long party. (RS 785)

-- JAMES HUNTER

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Reply #59 posted 06/11/15 5:17am

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DETROIT FREE PRESS * December 26, 1997

Detroit asks the questions,
and the artist reveals himself as a prince of mystery

BY BRIAN MCCOLLUM Free Press Pop Music Writer

THE ART

Q: You play so many instruments. Which are you primarily using for writing these days?

A: I write in my head. The rest is just dictation.

Q: Does the standard eight- to 10-song album still hold interest for you, or has it become too constricting?

A: 2 constricting, although with some sets, like "The Truth," it's cool.

FUTURE WORK

Q: The last three months alone, two bootleg, three-CD sets of very good-to-perfect quality artist outtakes have been released. I also have the unreleased album "The Truth." Does it concern you that bootleggers seem to be getting a jump on releasing material fans want to hear?

A: ZZZZZ!

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