First of all, it has to be a multiple disc set - purple discs that look like the classic vinyl from 84. In the purple box all covered with the flowery background from the album cover, should be 3 albums: Purple Rain, Ice Cream Castles, and Apollonia 6. There should be some provision for the B sides and remixes as well because this is by far the best era for Prince B-sides - 17 days, Erotic City, God (both versions), Another Lonely Christmas, dance mixes of Lets Go Crazy, I Would Die 4 U. And, of course, some previously unreleased material that was from the project - maybe Wednesday and Fathers Song. But I am sure there is no way Prince would let them out unless they were pristine and complete studio recordings like the "bootlegs" on the Crystal Ball set. With all that, I want hardback book with the story of Purple Rain and lots of rare photos. On another disc, a complete Purple Rain gig - I will take the Syracuse show that we all know and love from the video.

But I guess the reissue is completely dead now, isn't it?

It's never happening like that, if Prince has anything to say about it. At best we could get a cardboard sleeve of the original album and that's it. Outtakes?? Prince isn't coming off of those. Live takes?? Only if they are heavily edited. I think Prince has all the power over those things and thus also has all the cost associated with them as well. So unless he gets a huge payday somewhere it ain't going down like we really want it to.

JoshuaWho said:

First of all, it has to be a multiple disc set

Multiple is way too vague.

The set has to be at least three discs to offer the stuff we need.

- remastered album

- all singles, mixes, 12"-versions, b-sides, etc

- outtakes, alternates, etc

I'd say three discs and a quality booklet with some nice pictures and liner notes.

One - Original album remastered.

Two - Extended versions, B-Sides.

Three - Outtakes sequenced like a proper album, trusting that there's enough outtakes from the era to do so. (This could also be sold separately as an individual album.)

If we're really lucky - live DVDs of the 83 First Avenue gig and maybe Syracuse.

DVD's?

Bluray stuff please.

(would give me a second reason to buy one aftre them SOTT rays)

We needs facts. Wheres RODSERLING?

Rebeljuice said:

We needs facts. Wheres RODSERLING?

Fact, is that we are now in march 2015, and there is still no plans at WB to re-release PR in a physical form this year, if ever.

I'm gonna repeat this sentence every month now, just to show you I was, again, right from the start.

So what then was the deal with WB?

What was the fuzz about press releases about remasters?

Bart?

Please give us some insights.

I saw this somewhere:

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RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

We needs facts. Wheres RODSERLING?

Fact, is that we are now in march 2015.......

yes, this is a fact.

, and there is still no plans at WB to re-release PR in a physical form this year, if ever....

This is not a fact. This is you speculating. WB may well have a plan to release it this year, they just havent told anyone yet. Unless of course you are part of the inner circle at WB and have first hand knowledge stating otherwise.

Can you see the difference between fact and speculation yet?

FACT - it is March 2015

FACT - It hasnt been released yet

FACT - WB or Prince have not said it wont be released

FACT - Prince and WB signed a contract stating it would be released

FACT - No date was ever given for release

FACT - WB said unheard songs will be included

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB have no plans to release it

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - Prince will not cooperate

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - Prince has reneged on the contract

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - It will never be released

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB cannot make any money from it anymore

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB cannot do it without Prince's cooperation

I know in your mind you think you are always right and you have super human powers which enable you to see into the minds of WB and Prince, but us mere mortals really only have the facts to work on. And from where I am standing, with my non super human point of view, the facts say that a release is just as possible as no release. Actually, I would say a release is more probable considering the facts as we know them today.

So what other facts do you know regarding this matter?

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

Fact, is that we are now in march 2015.......

yes, this is a fact.

, and there is still no plans at WB to re-release PR in a physical form this year, if ever....

This is not a fact. This is you speculating. WB may well have a plan to release it this year, they just havent told anyone yet. Unless of course you are part of the inner circle at WB and have first hand knowledge stating otherwise.

Can you see the difference between fact and speculation yet?

FACT - it is March 2015

FACT - It hasnt been released yet

FACT - WB or Prince have not said it wont be released

FACT - Prince and WB signed a contract stating it would be released

FACT - No date was ever given for release

FACT - WB said unheard songs will be included

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB have no plans to release it

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - Prince will not cooperate

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - Prince has reneged on the contract

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - It will never be released

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB cannot make any money from it anymore

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB cannot do it without Prince's cooperation

I know in your mind you think you are always right and you have super human powers which enable you to see into the minds of WB and Prince, but us mere mortals really only have the facts to work on. And from where I am standing, with my non super human point of view, the facts say that a release is just as possible as no release. Actually, I would say a release is more probable considering the facts as we know them today.

So what other facts do you know regarding this matter?

Of course, I've got one superpower that is call good sense, and until now, it didn't give me wrong.

It was stated one year ago a 30th anniversary of PR would be rereleased. Some insiders said the project was to be huge with worldwide tour, big promotion, tv specials, etc. You really are the only one who think the project is still onboard.

The plan was completly scrapped, everybody knows that, except you. Prince got his masters back, WB got the licences rights, everybody won (except the fans). There would be a change the day Prince accepts to be fully involved with the promotion of PR. And you know it's highly unlikely.

If WB wanted to release PR, they would have already done it. Instead, they chose to release TCBU on airplay , and Prince doesn't give a shit about it. That's another cold fact. You see, I don't need Prince to say "I don't give a shit about PR or about TCBU" , neither do I need WB to say " we won't release PR without prince's involvement", it's clearly implicit. See you next month.

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I'm with Rebeljuice on this one.

Do you really think it's gonna be released this year ?

In the entertainment industry, when nobody hears about a project in one year, that means it's dead. Even dead projects reappears from time to time (and rumours are most often founded than not). PR 30 th anniversary is not even on a developpement hell, it's a dead project. We've heard only two times about it :

- in april 2014 with the original statement from WB

- on 30th september, when Prince said he didn't give a shit about it and the rerelease would be the same content as the original (which is nonsense).

And that's all. And we are talking about a reedition of an album, not a movie that needs to be made from scratch with hundred of million of dollars. PR deluxe is as dead as GHOSTBUSTERS 3 with Bill Murray and Harold Ramis.

Did I think Prince would ever play Gold again?
No, and then he brought it back in 2011.

Did I think Prince would ever sign a CONtract with WB again?
No. Until he did.

Do I KNOW if Purple Rain will be re-released this year?

No.

Do I KNOW that Purple Rain will definitely not be re-released this year?
No.

Is it probable that it will be released this year?
Not really.

Is prince predictable?
No.

Is prince predictable if the price is right?
Yes.

Hope that helps.

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Can you see the difference between fact and speculation yet?

FACT - it is March 2015

FACT - It hasnt been released yet

FACT - WB or Prince have not said it wont be released

FACT - Prince and WB signed a contract stating it would be released

FACT - No date was ever given for release

FACT - WB said unheard songs will be included

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB have no plans to release it

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - Prince will not cooperate

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - Prince has reneged on the contract

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - It will never be released

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB cannot make any money from it anymore

NOT FACT (AKA speculation) - WB cannot do it without Prince's cooperation

I know in your mind you think you are always right and you have super human powers which enable you to see into the minds of WB and Prince, but us mere mortals really only have the facts to work on. And from where I am standing, with my non super human point of view, the facts say that a release is just as possible as no release. Actually, I would say a release is more probable considering the facts as we know them today.

So what other facts do you know regarding this matter?

Of course, I've got one superpower that is call good sense, and until now, it didn't give me wrong. Lucky you. Can I have next weeks lottery numbers please?

It was stated one year ago a 30th anniversary of PR would be rereleased. Yes it was. And nothing has been said to the contrary.

Some insiders said the project was to be huge with worldwide tour, big promotion, tv specials, etc. Ok, come on, tell us who these "insiders" are. Tell us where you heard this.

You really are the only one who think the project is still onboard. Am I? How lonely for me. I presume you canvassed the entire world to come to that conclusion. Care to publish the results?

The plan was completly scrapped, everybody knows that, except you. Please tell us who told you it was scrapped. And "everyone knows" is a result of your global canvassing excersize? How does everyone get to find out this fact except me? I feel so left out of society...

Prince got his masters back, WB got the licences rights, everybody won (except the fans). How did everybody win (except fans)? WB getting licensing rights but scrapping any releases and doing nothing doesnt sound like a win to me. It sounds like WB have lost out because they have licensing rights for product that they are doing nothing with. Is this correct? Or, maybe, perhaps, they will be using their rights and releasing something in order to capitalise on those rights? Hmmm, I wonder which path WB will take. What a conundrum for them. How about this: WB release the reissue, Prince doesnt get involved, the fans buy it. That sounds more like an "everybody wins" scenario to me... Oh, and the fans win too!

There would be a change the day Prince accepts to be fully involved with the promotion of PR. And you know it's highly unlikely. Yes it is unlikely. Highly? No, not really. Prince loves money and he loves playing the hits. Every time he plays Purple Rain, copies of the album will be sold, whether it is a rerelease or the current 30 year old album. And we all know Prince will say he is completely against doing something until such time that he does it. Remember "the internet is dead" and then downloading a ton of music from HIS website? Remember "real music by real musiciands, no lip synching" and then hearing a sampler set or playing the electronically heavy 3121, MPLSound, 20Ten, AOA? Remember Prince retiring and looking for the ladder? Whatever Prince says means nothing in the grand scale of things. Actually, it is a good indicator that whatever he says, the opposite will happen eventually.

If WB wanted to release PR, they would have already done it. Why? On what grounds do you base this "fact"? You are assuming this because it hasnt been released so far. But let me give you an alternative assumption: WB only planned on releasing AOA followed by PR. Prince persuaded them to release PE as well. WB then decided to hold back on PR and release it the following year. Prince agreed not to release anything new in 2015 so that WB could do this. My assumption seems much more realistic than your hard, cold fact that WB would have released it already if they wanted to.

Instead, they chose to release TCBU on airplay , and Prince doesn't give a shit about it. That's another cold fact. Prince said he wasnt interested in a PR reissue. That is a fact. Saying he doesnt give a shit about it is not a fact. I think he gives a very big shit about his music being released, he just isnt interested in the music itself but acknowledges it is nice for the fans. As for releasing TCBU, why not? I dont see how releasing that song has any bearing on your argument.

You see, I don't need Prince to say "I don't give a shit about PR or about TCBU" , neither do I need WB to say " we won't release PR without prince's involvement", it's clearly implicit. Clearly implicit? So what you are saying is you do not need to hear what has actually been said because you can make it up in your head and come to your own "implicit" conclusions. I see. Wow. I really wish I had your powers. They are second to none.

See you next month. How do you know you will see me next month? Shit man, you are good....

[Edited 3/4/15 7:46am]

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

Of course, I've got one superpower that is call good sense, and until now, it didn't give me wrong. Lucky you. Can I have next weeks lottery numbers please?

It was stated one year ago a 30th anniversary of PR would be rereleased. Yes it was. And nothing has been said to the contrary.

Some insiders said the project was to be huge with worldwide tour, big promotion, tv specials, etc. Ok, come on, tell us who these "insiders" are. Tell us where you heard this.

You really are the only one who think the project is still onboard. Am I? How lonely for me. I presume you canvassed the entire world to come to that conclusion. Care to publish the results?

The plan was completly scrapped, everybody knows that, except you. Please tell us who told you it was scrapped. And "everyone knows" is a result of your global canvassing excersize? How does everyone get to find out this fact except me? I feel so left out of society...

Prince got his masters back, WB got the licences rights, everybody won (except the fans). How did everybody win (except fans)? WB getting licensing rights but scrapping any releases and doing nothing doesnt sound like a win to me. It sounds like WB have lost out because they have licensing rights for product that they are doing nothing with. Is this correct? Or, maybe, perhaps, they will be using their rights and releasing something in order to capitalise on those rights? Hmmm, I wonder which path WB will take. What a conundrum for them. How about this: WB release the reissue, Prince doesnt get involved, the fans buy it. That sounds more like an "everybody wins" scenario to me... Oh, and the fans win too!

There would be a change the day Prince accepts to be fully involved with the promotion of PR. And you know it's highly unlikely. Yes it is unlikely. Highly? No, not really. Prince loves money and he loves playing the hits. Every time he plays Purple Rain, copies of the album will be sold, whether it is a rerelease or the current 30 year old album. And we all know Prince will say he is completely against doing something until such time that he does it. Remember "the internet is dead" and then downloading a ton of music from HIS website? Remember "real music by real musiciands, no lip synching" and then hearing a sampler set or playing the electronically heavy 3121, MPLSound, 20Ten, AOA? Remember Prince retiring and looking for the ladder? Whatever Prince says means nothing in the grand scale of things. Actually, it is a good indicator that whatever he says, the opposite will happen eventually.

If WB wanted to release PR, they would have already done it. Why? On what grounds do you base this "fact"? You are assuming this because it hasnt been released so far. But let me give you an alternative assumption: WB only planned on releasing AOA followed by PR. Prince persuaded them to release PE as well. WB then decided to hold back on PR and release it the following year. Prince agreed not to release anything new in 2015 so that WB could do this. My assumption seems much more realistic than your hard, cold fact that WB would have released it already if they wanted to.

Instead, they chose to release TCBU on airplay , and Prince doesn't give a shit about it. That's another cold fact. Prince said he wasnt interested in a PR reissue. That is a fact. Saying he doesnt give a shit about it is not a fact. I think he gives a very big shit about his music being released, he just isnt interested in the music itself but acknowledges it is nice for the fans. As for releasing TCBU, why not? I dont see how releasing that song has any bearing on your argument.

You see, I don't need Prince to say "I don't give a shit about PR or about TCBU" , neither do I need WB to say " we won't release PR without prince's involvement", it's clearly implicit. Clearly implicit? So what you are saying is you do not need to hear what has actually been said because you can make it up in your head and come to your own "implicit" conclusions. I see. Wow. I really wish I had your powers. They are second to none.

See you next month. How do you know you will see me next month? Shit man, you are good....

[Edited 3/4/15 7:46am]

Like I said 1000 times here, AOA and PLEC were huge flop, largely below Prince's and WB's expectations. Hence there was no promotion and that nobody bought the albums, I can't see why it would have hurt sales to release PR on, let's say, november 2014.

Concerning what was planned for PR, the source is the FUNKU magazine.

Releasing TBCU, and the "music videos" of Marz, Another love, etc. seems to be a desperate effort from WB to sell the unsold shipments of AOA and PLEC, because they can't release anything else. Desperate because Prince doesn't want to get involved, after he insisted so much on releasing this craps. You really think they're gonna release PR and let the same scenario repeats ?

The same way, you really think WB 's gonna say "we are not releasing PR" ? No, that doesn't work like that, they only tell about positive things. And the simple fact they never stated any positive things about PR since one year means the project is certainly not ready to be greenlighted. And I'm not only talking about WB, but about Prince, the Revolution members, some people invested in the remasterisation, retailers, etc. I never heard about a project in the entertainment industry that were not publisiced months and months before, if not years. (like with PLECTRUM ELECTRUM).

X FILES 3 is still officially on the run from Fox, but everybody, since the box office's failure of the second movie, knew it would never happen.

If they wanted to release PR, believe me, they would have already done it for the 30 th anniversary. The more they are waiting, the less the reissue would sell.

BORING!

honer said:

BORING!

Because?

I see no explanation or argumentation for your statment so I guess it is just your taste for reality that is that way.

The reissue/remaster is verrrrry interesting and should have happened already.

So maybe in 2019? (35 years...)

I swear, I just happen to see that P is gonna do another hit and run tour .

Another cold fact that the PR 30 th anniversary is dead and buried. He 's not even promoting AOA stuff by doing an "AOA tour" who could save the album's sales.

People who can't see it must be blind, because it's so obvious : there won't be a PR 30 TH anniversary. WB is "promoting" with the less money possible AOA and PLEC (the music videos, and TCBU on UAC) while Prince is promoting only himself, and surely doesn't need WB to tour successfully.

Once again I was right from the start, but I must confess it was so obvious that I'm questionning mental sanity of those who thought it was a great idea to release AOA and PLEC the same fucking day (remember that ? ), and before the PR 30 th, or those who still thinks it's gonna happen.

So many bad commercial moves since the official statement of april 2014, that is one of the worst thing i ever saw in the msuic industry ever.

[Edited 3/10/15 9:23am]

by why is he doing alot of purple rain songs?

luvsexy4all said:

by why is he doing alot of purple rain songs?

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Because he chooses to be an oldies act.

There is plenty of material yet he plays the same old shit every time.

Does he think we're stupid?

Or are we stupid?

udo said:

honer said:

BORING!

Because?

I see no explanation or argumentation for your statment so I guess it is just your taste for reality that is that way.

The reissue/remaster is verrrrry interesting and should have happened already.

So maybe in 2019? (35 years...)

Well you've assumed a lot of crap from one word!

Its boring coz we've all talked it to death for the thick end of a year and it still is'nt out so no its not verrrrry interesting coz it aint happening. I'll be interested when and if it comes out, until then bollocks to it!

[Edited 3/11/15 4:25am]

[Edited 3/11/15 4:25am]

honer said:

Well you've assumed a lot of crap from one word!

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You gave plenty of reason to do so with one word.

.

Its boring coz we've all talked it to death for the thick end of a year and it still is'nt out so no its not verrrrry interesting coz it aint happening.

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It is very interesting. It isn't happening yet as it appears.

Those are two very different things.

luvsexy4all said:

by why is he doing alot of purple rain songs?

He was heavily criticized when he did concerts without PURPLE RAIN. When he toured for WELCOME TO AMERICA I read he was contractually obliged to perform his signatures hits like PURPLE RAIN, KISS...It's virtually the same thing for every artist. The best known example is Paul McCartney who is contractually obliged to do most of his Beatles songs.

It's a logical move, because the goal is to make people come at the show. It's like a guarantee for everybody.

WB must have been really pissed off to hear about this new hit and run tour. They wanted a PURPLE RAIN worldtour.

It's also a very bad move for Prince to do a tour without promoting an album. At the very least, he should have done a tour called something like "THE ARTIFICIAL TOUR" with huge posters of the cover of AOA.

We are here, once again, in a perfect case of a WTF commercial move, as usual for Prince.

RODSERLING said:

luvsexy4all said:

by why is he doing alot of purple rain songs?

He was heavily criticized when he did concerts without PURPLE RAIN. When he toured for WELCOME TO AMERICA I read he was contractually obliged to perform his signatures hits like PURPLE RAIN, KISS...It's virtually the same thing for every artist. The best known example is Paul McCartney who is contractually obliged to do most of his Beatles songs.

It's a logical move, because the goal is to make people come at the show. It's like a guarantee for everybody.

WB must have been really pissed off to hear about this new hit and run tour. They wanted a PURPLE RAIN worldtour.

It's also a very bad move for Prince to do a tour without promoting an album. At the very least, he should have done a tour called something like "THE ARTIFICIAL TOUR" with huge posters of the cover of AOA.

We are here, once again, in a perfect case of a WTF commercial move, as usual for Prince.

You can have an opinion, but please if you state something as facts like WB wanted him to do a purple rain tour or he was contractually obliged to perform Purple rain on the W2A tour...cite some sources!

Otherwise you continue to make yourself look like a fool here...because that sounds to funny^^

But i fear we can all write what we want you will continue to claim things as true without backing it up with sources...

In Rotterdam he performed in 2011 three concerts at the ahoy...two without Purple rain...

RODSERLING said:

Concerning what was planned for PR, the source is the FUNKU magazine.

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I've always doubt what they claimed. seemed to me to be more like some fam dream instead of a realistic project.

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I never heard about a project in the entertainment industry that were not publisiced months and months before, if not years. (like with PLECTRUM ELECTRUM).

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There have been plenty of such. But a PR reissue isn't gonna benefit from a surprise release. Such things need to be supported by a promotional push, e.g. articles in mags like Mojo etc. WBR have seen the result of bad timing and non-promo with the disappointing sales figures of The Hits and Ultimate.

RODSERLING said:

WB must have been really pissed off to hear about this new hit and run tour. They wanted a PURPLE RAIN worldtour.

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I seriously doubt that, since I assume then people working at WBR aren't insane and know fully well how Prince operates.

linus4000 said:

RODSERLING said:

He was heavily criticized when he did concerts without PURPLE RAIN. When he toured for WELCOME TO AMERICA I read he was contractually obliged to perform his signatures hits like PURPLE RAIN, KISS...It's virtually the same thing for every artist. The best known example is Paul McCartney who is contractually obliged to do most of his Beatles songs.

It's a logical move, because the goal is to make people come at the show. It's like a guarantee for everybody.

WB must have been really pissed off to hear about this new hit and run tour. They wanted a PURPLE RAIN worldtour.

It's also a very bad move for Prince to do a tour without promoting an album. At the very least, he should have done a tour called something like "THE ARTIFICIAL TOUR" with huge posters of the cover of AOA.

We are here, once again, in a perfect case of a WTF commercial move, as usual for Prince.

You can have an opinion, but please if you state something as facts like WB wanted him to do a purple rain tour or he was contractually obliged to perform Purple rain on the W2A tour...cite some sources!

Otherwise you continue to make yourself look like a fool here...because that sounds to funny^^

But i fear we can all write what we want you will continue to claim things as true without backing it up with sources...

In Rotterdam he performed in 2011 three concerts at the ahoy...two without Purple rain...

The source was FUNKU, and I'm really confident in it. I read here years ago a quoted article from a magazine who complained that Prince didn't perform PURPLE RAIN. It's a well known fact that tour contractors want the artist to play some of their best signature hits.

The fools here are the people who thought it was a great idea to release AOA and PLEC the same day, who thought that it was a great idea to release these 2 albums before the 30 th PR, and who thinks PR 30 Th is still planned

I was never wrong in my claims,i'm sorry to tell you that. As time goes by, it only proves me more right.

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

WB must have been really pissed off to hear about this new hit and run tour. They wanted a PURPLE RAIN worldtour.

.

I seriously doubt that, since I assume then people working at WBR aren't insane and know fully well how Prince operates.

Are you talking about the people who released AOA and PLEC the same day ? the same people that are so desperate now they release TCBU to some obscure radios five months after the double release flop?

What was their goal, losing money just for the fun of it ? It's obvious they had at least a slight hope that Prince will promote his craps. They surely didn't sign a contract to see him promote anything else than the 2014 albums.

I didn't need FUNKU to understand that. Recordhouses want worldwide tour when they release an album. Because that's where they make lots of money, and that is what make the album sells when you get no airplay.