RODSERLING said:

RODSERLING said:

Noodled24 said:

If you're a Jackson fan perhaps.

As far as the record company is concerned they shipped 3.2 million units day one at which point they'd already made tens of millions from the album.

No, because shops are returning shipments unsold to Sony. That is millions of dollars lost. And printing 3 millions albums so fast, cost money too. Sony made the choice to print this album, instead of others, to monopolize factories for an album that is not selling, and to pay overwork for the workers.

There are no reports of Sony having to back unsold copies. Or that they made a loss.

Purple Rain is the golden goose in the Prince catalog. No way WBR are going to pass up the opportunity to milk it one last time. WBR have already announced a PR remaster is part of their plan. They work hard to accommodate artists. Which they did with Prince - letting him put out AOA + PE. They have yet to wish Prince well in all his future endeavours - which points to more albums through WBR.

master said:

RODSERLING said:

i do not recall prince doing much promotion in 80s no interview etc.

You've got short memories so, because in the 80's Prince was doing music video, and toured all around the world.

Just put alot of adverts etc and album is that good people will buy it.

It's not enough to make money.

All he needs to do is 6 unreleased tracks like wednesday, electric intercourse

Not happening, Prince won't give unreleased songs

The first avenue benefit show dvd obviously

The deal doesn't cover video, so not happening.

original mwarner statement made clear unreleased songs were going to be included. He even played electric intercourse at a u.k show. obvious this song was considered for project. I realize the DVD is unlikely but feel all the rubbish he said about not wanting fans to hear unfinished songs was an exscuse for sueing people selling unreleased songs. The songs seem pretty finished to me. When prince says not interested as it is only old material I feel he is including the outtakes in that statement as they are old material to him. Music videos is all he did usually. They could maybe use first avenue benefit electric intercourse as video for single or a montage of prince clips. Prince promotion for recent albums had little effect. Its just dissapointing that no one knows if this project is still happening. [Edited 2/13/15 9:33am] [Edited 2/13/15 9:39am] [Edited 2/13/15 9:45am] [Edited 2/13/15 11:33am] [Edited 2/13/15 13:27pm]

it acctualy said "Unheard" which some took as songs that were never leaked. But it could mean unrelased and not in the movie. But I am hoping for unheard songs and some of the better unreleased stuff too!

master said:

original mwarner statement made clear unreleased songs were going to be included. He even played electric intercourse at a u.k show. obvious this song was considered for project. I realize the DVD is unlikely but feel all the rubbish he said about not wanting fans to hear unfinished songs was an exscuse for sueing people selling unreleased songs. The songs seem pretty finished to me. When prince says not interested as it is only old material I feel he is including the outtakes in that statement as they are old material to him. Music videos is all he did usually. They could maybe use first avenue benefit electric intercourse as video for single or a montage of prince clips. Prince promotion for recent albums had little effect. Its just dissapointing that no one knows if this project is still happening. [Edited 2/13/15 9:33am] [Edited 2/13/15 9:39am] [Edited 2/13/15 9:45am] [Edited 2/13/15 11:33am] [Edited 2/13/15 13:27pm]

No, the original statement said "unheard" which is more cautious than "unreleased". Prince will never, ever give songs like WEDNESDAY or ELECTRIC INTERCOURSE. He thinks he can release them otherwise in the future.

Noodled24 said:

RODSERLING said:

No, because shops are returning shipments unsold to Sony. That is millions of dollars lost. And printing 3 millions albums so fast, cost money too. Sony made the choice to print this album, instead of others, to monopolize factories for an album that is not selling, and to pay overwork for the workers.

There are no reports of Sony having to back unsold copies. Or that they made a loss.

Purple Rain is the golden goose in the Prince catalog. No way WBR are going to pass up the opportunity to milk it one last time. WBR have already announced a PR remaster is part of their plan. They work hard to accommodate artists. Which they did with Prince - letting him put out AOA + PE. They have yet to wish Prince well in all his future endeavours - which points to more albums through WBR.

Why would Sony make a report to say " our album is a big failure. We didn't win money on that, and worst, we lost money on what should have been the best selling album of the decade " ? I admit it would have been funny, but we live in such a serious world... Interestingly, the initial statement of Sony said they wanted to sell MICHAEl at 5 millions. One month later, it was on sales at 3 $ on amazon, and still is.

No way WBR are going to pass up the opportunity to milk it one last time

I'm sorry, but they already missed it, in 2004, 2009, and 2014. We are in february 2015, and there is no plans at all to rerelease PR this year. They already making minimal money with PR without doing nothing else but printing the albums.

If I were WB, I would rerelease PR remastered with the 4 extented B Faces, on the original disc. It won't cost much.

Of course, that situation could change if Prince accepts to be involved. But is it likely ? Otherwise, for WB it is worth giving money to a younger artist who is willing and able to make promotion, a worldwide tour, etc. than for a reedition of an album whose the artist is constantly bashing them.

RODSERLING said:

We are in february 2015, and there is no plans at all to rerelease PR this year.

Source? Or are you stating your opinion as fact again? You really cant make statements like this unless you have qualified proof. This is why I stopped engaging with you a long time ago. I cant debate with someone who thinks they know it all yet have nothing to back their argument up with.

If you have proof that WB does not plan to release a reissue this year then please provide it here so we can move on with the debate. Otherwise, please qualify your statements with "I dont think" or "I think" or "in my opinion" or "my best guess is" or even simply "imo". Just stop making factual statements like you have access to information that makes you privvy to the subject, when all you are doing is speculating like the rest of us.

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

We are in february 2015, and there is no plans at all to rerelease PR this year.

Source? Or are you stating your opinion as fact again? You really cant make statements like this unless you have qualified proof. This is why I stopped engaging with you a long time ago. I cant debate with someone who thinks they know it all yet have nothing to back their argument up with.

If you have proof that WB does not plan to release a reissue this year then please provide it here so we can move on with the debate. Otherwise, please qualify your statements with "I dont think" or "I think" or "in my opinion" or "my best guess is" or even simply "imo". Just stop making factual statements like you have access to information that makes you privvy to the subject, when all you are doing is speculating like the rest of us.

You stopped debating with me, because I was right everytime. IIRC we had a bet and you ridiculized yourself. You should be more humble, and learn from the past instead of blasting bullets.

So, like I said, we are in february, and there is still no plans to release PR this year. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that, really.

No official announcement since the initial statement one year ago. Not a fucking one positive thing. Nobody ever said he was involved in the project. Only Prince said (according to a journalist) that the rerelease will be the same material as the original release (that is to say a reprint), which is, frankly, pure fucking nonsense.

A release date is usually announced two months before the actual release. Of course, before that, the project is announced, there is some buzz around, interviews, etc. We are in february and we still have nothing. Instead, we've got an airplay release for TCBU , for which his majesty won't dare to shoot a music video because it would be with his money (since he own the master of AOA)

WB won't move forward without Prince fully involved, it's logical. I'm not saying Prince won't accept to go back in time for the sake of WB, i'm just saying that it's highly unlikely.

You want to take another bet ?

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RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Source? Or are you stating your opinion as fact again? You really cant make statements like this unless you have qualified proof. This is why I stopped engaging with you a long time ago. I cant debate with someone who thinks they know it all yet have nothing to back their argument up with.

If you have proof that WB does not plan to release a reissue this year then please provide it here so we can move on with the debate. Otherwise, please qualify your statements with "I dont think" or "I think" or "in my opinion" or "my best guess is" or even simply "imo". Just stop making factual statements like you have access to information that makes you privvy to the subject, when all you are doing is speculating like the rest of us.

You stopped debating with me, because I was right everytime. IIRC we had a bet and you ridiculized yourself. You should be more humble, and learn from the past instead of blasting bullets.

So, like I said, we are in february, and there is still no plans to release PR this year. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that, really.

No official announcement since the initial statement one year ago. Not a fucking one positive thing. Nobody ever said he was involved in the project. Only Prince said (according to a journalist) that the rerelease will be the same material as the original release (that is to say a reprint), which is, frankly, pure fucking nonsense.

A release date is usually announced two months before the actual release. Of course, before that, the project is announced, there is some buzz around, interviews, etc. We are in february and we still have nothing. Instead, we've got an airplay release for TCBU , for which his majesty won't dare to shoot a music video because it would be with his money (since he own the master of AOA)

WB won't move forward without Prince fully involved, it's logical. I'm not saying Prince won't accept to go back in time for the sake of WB, i'm just saying that it's highly unlikely.

You want to take another bet ?

[Edited 2/16/15 3:22am]

I stopped debating you because you do not debate. You fire off your own thoughts and ideas as fact and have no room left for actual debate. Every thread you are on you say the same things over and over again. You are either obsessed with chart positions or WB's marketing strategy. That in itself would be fine if you just tempered your views to the level of opinion rather than spurting out opinion as if it is cold, hard fact.

"So, like I said, we are in february, and there is still no plans to release PR this year. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that, really."

Seriously, when did you see the WB marketing calendar? Where did you find out there are still no plans to release PR? Honestly, it really is ONLY February. We still have 10 months of the year left. Neither Prince nor WB have stated the reissue will not happen. Neither have they said when it will happen. In fact, they have said NOTHING about it. So how on earth do you come to the conclusions you do other than by using logic concocted by your brain and interpreted, incorrectly, into fact - something Sherlock Holmes would never do. In fact what Sherlock Holmes said was something along the lines of "eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth". So far there are way too many impossibilities in this saga for any conclusions to be drawn.

And incidently, the bet that I did not take started out as a little side challenge from me to you. You turned it into something far more extreme. I was not prepared to bet something worth losing on Prince's unpredictableness. But my point then, and my point now is exactly the same. You do not know how to debate and you like your own opinions so much that in your mind they are factual. This is why few people engage you in debate and you find yourself having to repeat your "facts" adnausium until someone takes the bait.

The hard, cold truth is that NOBODY knows what is happening with regards the PR reissue except WB and, possibly, Prince. The ONLY hard facts we have come from the press release last year which stated a contract had been signed and we would be getting an album of new material and a remaster of PR which would contain some unheard songs. We have also heard Prince state his disinterest in the reissue but acknowledged it would be good for the fans. THATS IT. THATS ALL WE KNOW. Everything else, including what you say, is mere speculation. Once you rule that speculation out as impossible, which you havent, then you can start spouting off about the truth. Until then, try engaging in the debate and add your thoughts a little less arrogantly and all-knowing. And if you do know something others do not, then provide some proof so that we can start eliminating the impossible from the debate.

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Source? Or are you stating your opinion as fact again? You really cant make statements like this unless you have qualified proof. This is why I stopped engaging with you a long time ago. I cant debate with someone who thinks they know it all yet have nothing to back their argument up with.

If you have proof that WB does not plan to release a reissue this year then please provide it here so we can move on with the debate. Otherwise, please qualify your statements with "I dont think" or "I think" or "in my opinion" or "my best guess is" or even simply "imo". Just stop making factual statements like you have access to information that makes you privvy to the subject, when all you are doing is speculating like the rest of us.

You stopped debating with me, because I was right everytime. IIRC we had a bet and you ridiculized yourself. You should be more humble, and learn from the past instead of blasting bullets.

So, like I said, we are in february, and there is still no plans to release PR this year. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that, really.

No official announcement since the initial statement one year ago. Not a fucking one positive thing. Nobody ever said he was involved in the project. Only Prince said (according to a journalist) that the rerelease will be the same material as the original release (that is to say a reprint), which is, frankly, pure fucking nonsense.

A release date is usually announced two months before the actual release. Of course, before that, the project is announced, there is some buzz around, interviews, etc. We are in february and we still have nothing. Instead, we've got an airplay release for TCBU , for which his majesty won't dare to shoot a music video because it would be with his money (since he own the master of AOA)

WB won't move forward without Prince fully involved, it's logical. I'm not saying Prince won't accept to go back in time for the sake of WB, i'm just saying that it's highly unlikely.

You want to take another bet ?

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if this thing was only 1 disc people would not rebuy it. You have to make it better than that in order for the people who own it to rebuy it. I thought they were doing 2 disc which would be fine and they should make a profit. This is the least we should hope for.

i suspect they are waiting as only just released new albums in november

i still have hope for it to be released and certainly easier than spending money on someoner else. 3rdeyegirl said it as already been remastered so not much else to do but put it out there . a few t.v ads etc

[Edited 2/16/15 6:08am]

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

You stopped debating with me, because I was right everytime. IIRC we had a bet and you ridiculized yourself. You should be more humble, and learn from the past instead of blasting bullets.

So, like I said, we are in february, and there is still no plans to release PR this year. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that, really.

No official announcement since the initial statement one year ago. Not a fucking one positive thing. Nobody ever said he was involved in the project. Only Prince said (according to a journalist) that the rerelease will be the same material as the original release (that is to say a reprint), which is, frankly, pure fucking nonsense.

A release date is usually announced two months before the actual release. Of course, before that, the project is announced, there is some buzz around, interviews, etc. We are in february and we still have nothing. Instead, we've got an airplay release for TCBU , for which his majesty won't dare to shoot a music video because it would be with his money (since he own the master of AOA)

WB won't move forward without Prince fully involved, it's logical. I'm not saying Prince won't accept to go back in time for the sake of WB, i'm just saying that it's highly unlikely.

You want to take another bet ?

[Edited 2/16/15 3:22am]

I stopped debating you because you do not debate. You fire off your own thoughts and ideas as fact and have no room left for actual debate. Every thread you are on you say the same things over and over again. You are either obsessed with chart positions or WB's marketing strategy. That in itself would be fine if you just tempered your views to the level of opinion rather than spurting out opinion as if it is cold, hard fact.

"So, like I said, we are in february, and there is still no plans to release PR this year. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that, really."

Seriously, when did you see the WB marketing calendar? Where did you find out there are still no plans to release PR? Honestly, it really is ONLY February. We still have 10 months of the year left. Neither Prince nor WB have stated the reissue will not happen. Neither have they said when it will happen. In fact, they have said NOTHING about it. So how on earth do you come to the conclusions you do other than by using logic concocted by your brain and interpreted, incorrectly, into fact - something Sherlock Holmes would never do. In fact what Sherlock Holmes said was something along the lines of "eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth". So far there are way too many impossibilities in this saga for any conclusions to be drawn.

And incidently, the bet that I did not take started out as a little side challenge from me to you. You turned it into something far more extreme. I was not prepared to bet something worth losing on Prince's unpredictableness. But my point then, and my point now is exactly the same. You do not know how to debate and you like your own opinions so much that in your mind they are factual. This is why few people engage you in debate and you find yourself having to repeat your "facts" adnausium until someone takes the bait.

The hard, cold truth is that NOBODY knows what is happening with regards the PR reissue except WB and, possibly, Prince. The ONLY hard facts we have come from the press release last year which stated a contract had been signed and we would be getting an album of new material and a remaster of PR which would contain some unheard songs. We have also heard Prince state his disinterest in the reissue but acknowledged it would be good for the fans. THATS IT. THATS ALL WE KNOW. Everything else, including what you say, is mere speculation. Once you rule that speculation out as impossible, which you havent, then you can start spouting off about the truth. Until then, try engaging in the debate and add your thoughts a little less arrogantly and all-knowing. And if you do know something others do not, then provide some proof so that we can start eliminating the impossible from the debate.

And, as usual, you will realize I was telling the truth...which is not hard to find, once again. Silence is hard fact. And not a positive one. You can read between the lines. That's what I do, and it always works.

PURPLE RAIN will not be reissued in a physical way without Prince's involvement. Otherwise it would have already been released. You heard about the new Madonna album months before its release (IIRC, since september 2014). And it will be released on 10th march 2015. Have you heard about PR since last year ? No. Oh, yes, but it was Prince who said he didn't give a fuck about it, and that the content will be the same How funny. And it's not like Prince should record some songs. Basically the material already exists since 30 years.

I've got a question : do you really believe that PR will be rereleased this year in a physical way ? Sales would be abyssal (something like PLEC) if Prince is not involved.

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master said:

RODSERLING said:

You stopped debating with me, because I was right everytime. IIRC we had a bet and you ridiculized yourself. You should be more humble, and learn from the past instead of blasting bullets.

So, like I said, we are in february, and there is still no plans to release PR this year. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that, really.

No official announcement since the initial statement one year ago. Not a fucking one positive thing. Nobody ever said he was involved in the project. Only Prince said (according to a journalist) that the rerelease will be the same material as the original release (that is to say a reprint), which is, frankly, pure fucking nonsense.

A release date is usually announced two months before the actual release. Of course, before that, the project is announced, there is some buzz around, interviews, etc. We are in february and we still have nothing. Instead, we've got an airplay release for TCBU , for which his majesty won't dare to shoot a music video because it would be with his money (since he own the master of AOA)

WB won't move forward without Prince fully involved, it's logical. I'm not saying Prince won't accept to go back in time for the sake of WB, i'm just saying that it's highly unlikely.

You want to take another bet ?

[Edited 2/16/15 3:22am]

if this thing was only 1 disc people would not rebuy it. You have to make it better than that in order for the people who own it to rebuy it. I thought they were doing 2 disc which would be fine and they should make a profit. This is the least we should hope for.

i suspect they are waiting as only just released new albums in november

i still have hope for it to be released and certainly easier than spending money on someoner else. 3rdeyegirl said it as already been remastered so not much else to do but put it out there . a few t.v ads etc

[Edited 2/16/15 6:08am]

The Mj 2001 reeditions were only one disc, and the extra bonus were weak. It didn't sold well at the time, it's true, even if they replaced the original releases. It's only after february 2003, with Living with MJ that his catalogue album became huge in term of sales.

it would be nice if every Prince's album were rereleased with all the extented b faces. It would be enough for me to buy it.

RODSERLING said:

Why would Sony make a report to say " our album is a big failure. We didn't win money on that, and worst, we lost money on what should have been the best selling album of the decade " ? I admit it would have been funny, but we live in such a serious world... Interestingly, the initial statement of Sony said they wanted to sell MICHAEl at 5 millions. One month later, it was on sales at 3 $ on amazon, and still is.

If Sony had lost money on a Jackson album you'd know about it. Sony might not say it, but if shops were returning them by the pallet we'd know about it. Regardless - Sony made money from that album.

No way WBR are going to pass up the opportunity to milk it one last time

I'm sorry, but they already missed it, in 2004, 2009, and 2014. We are in february 2015, and there is no plans at all to rerelease PR this year. They already making minimal money with PR without doing nothing else but printing the albums.

Missed what? The actual date of a reissue is irrelevant. So long as it's accompanied by some marketing. Whats special about the specific dates you mentioned? Is a 31st anniversary any more of a made-up thing?

It's not even 6 months since they put out 2 albums. You're wondering why they're not already planning another release?

If I were WB, I would rerelease PR remastered with the 4 extented B Faces, on the original disc. It won't cost much.

Of course, that situation could change if Prince accepts to be involved. But is it likely ? Otherwise, for WB it is worth giving money to a younger artist who is willing and able to make promotion, a worldwide tour, etc. than for a reedition of an album whose the artist is constantly bashing them.

Well - we've all got ideas. But we're just speculating because there aren't enough details. Prince seems to be getting his name out there with these exclusive gigs, so he could well be gearing up for something - who knows.

However, neither Prince nor WBR have announced that their relationship is over. WBR have also specifically announced remasters.

funksterr said:

Yep. It played out pretty much exactly as I thought it would at the time when fams were going crazy about the good things to come. I still don't think, in Prince's lifetime, we are ever getting remasters, outtakes, reunions or anything that doesn't strictly conform to JW beliefs.

JW Beliefs? Are you kidding me? Since about 2004, he's been slowly eliminating them from his life. He was never a "real" witness anyway. Singing Bambi about lesbians, then publicly saying anti-lesbian stuff, singing Bambi again...he's just one big contradiction. If we don't get the remasters, the main reason will be the money...there's no money in remasters anymore. That ship sailed years ago. Us old folk will buy the big jumbo boxsets, but like I keep saying over and over again...most of the big acts that have had re-releases, see their remasters in the bargain bin.

And back to the JW stuff, somebody posted a funny video on here or another site where somebody actually called one of the elders in New York asking about Prince being a witness, and they pretty much denied it without getting descriptive. He's a "Casual Witness" at best.

And some real serious witness made a You Tube video saying that "Brother Prince" is not displaying the behavior of a real witness...

So don't blame the JW's for Prince not following up on the remasters. You can blame them for not cussing, but that's about it.

stillwaiting said:

funksterr said:

Yep. It played out pretty much exactly as I thought it would at the time when fams were going crazy about the good things to come. I still don't think, in Prince's lifetime, we are ever getting remasters, outtakes, reunions or anything that doesn't strictly conform to JW beliefs.

JW Beliefs? Are you kidding me? Since about 2004, he's been slowly eliminating them from his life. He was never a "real" witness anyway. Singing Bambi about lesbians, then publicly saying anti-lesbian stuff, singing Bambi again...he's just one big contradiction. If we don't get the remasters, the main reason will be the money...there's no money in remasters anymore. That ship sailed years ago. Us old folk will buy the big jumbo boxsets, but like I keep saying over and over again...most of the big acts that have had re-releases, see their remasters in the bargain bin.

And back to the JW stuff, somebody posted a funny video on here or another site where somebody actually called one of the elders in New York asking about Prince being a witness, and they pretty much denied it without getting descriptive. He's a "Casual Witness" at best.

And some real serious witness made a You Tube video saying that "Brother Prince" is not displaying the behavior of a real witness...

So don't blame the JW's for Prince not following up on the remasters. You can blame them for not cussing, but that's about it.

Bambi doesn't celebrate a lesbian lifestyle: "Why can't you understand/It's better with a man".

For simplicities sake I generally reduce imy descriptions to just JW, but I know it's a bit more complicated than that. I don't know about Prince slowly eliminating them from his life though, iirc, he mentioned it on George Lopez or Arsenio Hall last year.

We may not have an exact name for his belief system, but whatever it is, I think it's a big internal struggle for him to approve the release of his old albums and play his old songs correctly, given how his beliefs have evolved since then. I think he's tried to create new "clean" classics to entertain us with the last 15 years or so, but he's just not great at that kind of songwriting (neither is JW, err Josh Wheaton who totally DID didn't get a job with Prince in part due to his initials ).

Noodled24 said:

RODSERLING said:

Why would Sony make a report to say " our album is a big failure. We didn't win money on that, and worst, we lost money on what should have been the best selling album of the decade " ? I admit it would have been funny, but we live in such a serious world... Interestingly, the initial statement of Sony said they wanted to sell MICHAEl at 5 millions. One month later, it was on sales at 3 $ on amazon, and still is.

If Sony had lost money on a Jackson album you'd know about it. Sony might not say it, but if shops were returning them by the pallet we'd know about it. Regardless - Sony made money from that album.

Missed what? The actual date of a reissue is irrelevant. So long as it's accompanied by some marketing. Whats special about the specific dates you mentioned? Is a 31st anniversary any more of a made-up thing?

It's not even 6 months since they put out 2 albums. You're wondering why they're not already planning another release?

If I were WB, I would rerelease PR remastered with the 4 extented B Faces, on the original disc. It won't cost much.

Of course, that situation could change if Prince accepts to be involved. But is it likely ? Otherwise, for WB it is worth giving money to a younger artist who is willing and able to make promotion, a worldwide tour, etc. than for a reedition of an album whose the artist is constantly bashing them.

Well - we've all got ideas. But we're just speculating because there aren't enough details. Prince seems to be getting his name out there with these exclusive gigs, so he could well be gearing up for something - who knows.

However, neither Prince nor WBR have announced that their relationship is over. WBR have also specifically announced remasters.

If Sony had lost money on a Jackson album you'd know about it

You seem to be the only one, interested in the music industry, to not know about it. Glad to learn you something.

if shops were returning them by the pallet we'd know about it.

That's what happened. And like I said, one month after, the albums were on sales. And why are the albums on sales ? Especially one months after ? Because they make so much money they can sell it at 3 $? Nonsense.

Missed what? The actual date of a reissue is irrelevant

It's not just about an anniversary date, and you know it. Of course an anniversary date is the best way to make publicity. BUt let's not forget the decreasing in sales of the album market. The longer they wait, the weakest the sales will be. Mathematics. They should have already released it in 2004. 2014 was the last possible true rerelease.

It's not even 6 months since they put out 2 albums. You're wondering why they're not already planning another release?

They released 2 albums that nobody bought it, and that nobody ever gave a fuck. They could have released PR the month after, it would only have affected positively the sales of AOA and PLEC by making more publicity. Of course, it would have been far better to release PR instead of these two flops.

And now it's time to see the truth : AOA sold 100 k in the US, and PLEC only 40 k. I let you imagine the flop of a PR reedition it would be at a 20 $/30$ without Prince's full involvment (and that's the hypothesis where Prince give them real outtakes, or unreleased songs!). Even Prince's fans doesn't buy his albums anymore. It's more obvious in the UK with PLEC, where he toured last year in front of 100 k people.

Well - we've all got ideas

Of course ! I was only digressing, I'm sorry.

However, neither Prince nor WBR have announced that their relationship is over. WBR have also specifically announced remasters.

Of course, not! Why would they do that ? Stranger things happened in the entertainment industry: a third season of TWINPEAKS 25 years later, a tenth season of X FILES after Duchovny's constant bashing of Fox in the early 2000's and the flop of the last movie.

It's ain't over till it's over. They are still engaged.

That doesn't mean something will come out. Maybe Prince will accept to do it. Maybe prince will die this year and it would be the best opportunity ever to rerelease PR. But I rest on my position : WB won't move forward without Prince's full involvment. Otherwise, they would lost money on a physical release.

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RODSERLING said:

However, neither Prince nor WBR have announced that their relationship is over. WBR have also specifically announced remasters.

Of course, not! Why would they do that ? Stranger things happened in the entertainment industry: a third season of TWINPEAKS 25 years later, a tenth season of X FILES after Duchovny's constant bashing of Fox in the early 2000's and the flop of the last movie.

It's ain't over till it's over. They are still engaged.

That doesn't mean something will come out. Maybe Prince will accept to do it. Maybe prince will die this year and it would be the best opportunity ever to rerelease PR. But I rest on my position : WB won't move forward without Prince's full involvment. Otherwise, they would lost money on a physical release.

Then you're over-estimating the cost of producing a CD.

You seem to be under the impression that an album needs to sell 10 million copies to be profitable? Which is just insane. They cost pennies to make.

Even if the Remaster only sold 100k - the amount you claimed earlier in this thread the current PR album sells each year... they're still making a profit.

funksterr said:

stillwaiting said:

JW Beliefs? Are you kidding me? Since about 2004, he's been slowly eliminating them from his life. He was never a "real" witness anyway. Singing Bambi about lesbians, then publicly saying anti-lesbian stuff, singing Bambi again...he's just one big contradiction. If we don't get the remasters, the main reason will be the money...there's no money in remasters anymore. That ship sailed years ago. Us old folk will buy the big jumbo boxsets, but like I keep saying over and over again...most of the big acts that have had re-releases, see their remasters in the bargain bin.

And back to the JW stuff, somebody posted a funny video on here or another site where somebody actually called one of the elders in New York asking about Prince being a witness, and they pretty much denied it without getting descriptive. He's a "Casual Witness" at best.

And some real serious witness made a You Tube video saying that "Brother Prince" is not displaying the behavior of a real witness...

So don't blame the JW's for Prince not following up on the remasters. You can blame them for not cussing, but that's about it.

Bambi doesn't celebrate a lesbian lifestyle: "Why can't you understand/It's better with a man".

For simplicities sake I generally reduce imy descriptions to just JW, but I know it's a bit more complicated than that. I don't know about Prince slowly eliminating them from his life though, iirc, he mentioned it on George Lopez or Arsenio Hall last year.

We may not have an exact name for his belief system, but whatever it is, I think it's a big internal struggle for him to approve the release of his old albums and play his old songs correctly, given how his beliefs have evolved since then. I think he's tried to create new "clean" classics to entertain us with the last 15 years or so, but he's just not great at that kind of songwriting (neither is JW, err Josh Wheaton who totally DID didn't get a job with Prince in part due to his initials ).

It would be safe to say that just about ANY Jehovah's Witness elder would not approve of Prince's

lyrics. Even on TRC..."She Loves Me 4 Me" is talking about riding Manuella or whatever his wife's name at the time was...Breakfast Can Wait doesn't exactly sound like a devoted spiritual witness.

And you could go on and on. I can easly say that Witnessess are not big on sexual themes in songs, and Prince has been pretty salty lately. And just name one JW mention of Prince? You can't. Because the religion itself has not embraced him. He's a total "Selective" and casual Witness.

I will give you points for the Josh Dig...But I think his last name is Welton, or Wart, or something else. Either way, he's about as innovative as a pile of ugly rocks.

warning2all said:

Hilarious that some of you think you know exactly what's going on, what will/won't be released, the relationship status between WB & Prince... None of you know anything about anything in this matter. Nobody on this site knows. Stop pretending to have any knowledge. You don't. You don't know what Prince is thinking. You don't know WB's timetable. Only time will tell With the remaster, so stop driving yourselves crazy. Every topic on this site devolves into a type of insanity. Prince fans are crazy. Just like Prince.

it would be nice if someone with insider knowledge could let us know the state of play on this.. Its been about a year since warner mentioned it .

master said:

warning2all said:

Hilarious that some of you think you know exactly what's going on, what will/won't be released, the relationship status between WB & Prince... None of you know anything about anything in this matter. Nobody on this site knows. Stop pretending to have any knowledge. You don't. You don't know what Prince is thinking. You don't know WB's timetable. Only time will tell With the remaster, so stop driving yourselves crazy. Every topic on this site devolves into a type of insanity. Prince fans are crazy. Just like Prince.

it would be nice if someone with insider knowledge could let us know the state of play on this.. Its been about a year since warner mentioned it .

Anyone who does know will probabaly be bound to a confidentiallity agreement, not just for this but all releases associated with the label, likely more than their job's worth to post on an open forum.


The hold up will probabaly be at Prince's end rather than WB's if anything, He's had what he wanted (Masters), so probabaly dragging his heels with them now. (Probabaly trying to get them to let him change the lyrics in Darling Nikki or something)

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master said:

warning2all said:

Hilarious that some of you think you know exactly what's going on, what will/won't be released, the relationship status between WB & Prince... None of you know anything about anything in this matter. Nobody on this site knows. Stop pretending to have any knowledge. You don't. You don't know what Prince is thinking. You don't know WB's timetable. Only time will tell With the remaster, so stop driving yourselves crazy. Every topic on this site devolves into a type of insanity. Prince fans are crazy. Just like Prince.

it would be nice if someone with insider knowledge could let us know the state of play on this.. Its been about a year since warner mentioned it .

Expect to wait for another year. I wouldn't hold my breathe. Is there really someone here who thinks that either WB and/or Prince are working on that reissue since last year ? It could make a funny comic book.

The VAULT was released 3 years after CHAOS and DISORDER. And prince gave them the material, the booklet, the liner notes, etc. in 1996.

They only waited that Prince released a huge album (RAVEUN2) to surf on that vibe, the way Universal did it with the Jackson 5 unreleased albums. And I can't see how Prince could release another big album in term of marketing. He's really stuck in that deal with WB. He hasn't done ANYthing since the albumS' annoucement in august, and it was seven months ago. No music video, no new songs, no official concert, and absolutely nothing on the purple rain reissue, which is unusually in the entretainment industry, even if it was a movie with 3 years of shooting like Star Wars, and not album already released 30 years ago where there is no work to be done.

RODSERLING said:

does the advent of the newly hits-drenched shows prove something is up?

luvsexy4all said:

The sooner folks except it's never gonna happen, the sooner they will be over this. Many others (myself included) said somehow, someway, Prince would blow it, and this project would never see the light of day. Well....all this time, and not so much as a peep from Warner Bros. I mean, complete and utter silence. That could mean only one thing....it's done.

I've given up on this project.If it happens,I'll be thrilled but I'm not gonna wait around for it anymore.I have plenty of nice remasters from other artists that I can enjoy.