Pentacle said:

Black lives matter. As do contracts. Bring on the courtcase. Please.

WB doesn't need to sue. They got what they wanted: the distribution rights to all the best Prince music, and none of the costs associated with his weaker new material. They secured those rights so tight, they stopped taking Prince's phone calls remember? They are probably just waiting Prince out on the remasters knowing at some point, his circumstances will change and perhaps then, he will get with the program. Until then, they no longer have to worry about Prince selling the rights one album at at time to various parts of their competition.

funksterr said:

Pentacle said:

Black lives matter. As do contracts. Bring on the courtcase. Please.

WB doesn't need to sue. They got what they wanted: the distribution rights to all the best Prince music, and none of the costs associated with his weaker new material. They secured those rights so tight, they stopped taking Prince's phone calls remember? They are probably just waiting Prince out on the remasters knowing at some point, his circumstances will change and perhaps then, he will get with the program. Until then, they no longer have to worry about Prince selling the rights one album at at time to various parts of their competition.

aha. Well, that's good news for WB. But not really for us...

Part of me refuses to believe that they are not working on this as we type...

They must be. They've got to be. They've just got to. They said they would

there is no need following Prince around like a rabbit & carrot..

he's too unperdictable, which was cool in the 80's, but it aint now..

This game aint fun anymore..

Hoping, wishing, & getting nothing..

That's old..

Let's face it, Prince is only interesting when you're bored..

Real real bored, & it still aint fun..

watch the Parade concert..

Now that is fun!!

funksterr said:

Pentacle said:

Black lives matter. As do contracts. Bring on the courtcase. Please.

WB doesn't need to sue. They got what they wanted: the distribution rights to all the best Prince music, and none of the costs associated with his weaker new material. They secured those rights so tight, they stopped taking Prince's phone calls remember? They are probably just waiting Prince out on the remasters knowing at some point, his circumstances will change and perhaps then, he will get with the program. Until then, they no longer have to worry about Prince selling the rights one album at at time to various parts of their competition.

right..

sad thang is(and I hope it doesn't)that the circumstance may be so drastic that he won't be able to change & get with the program..

It may be too late..

Anythang could happen to any of us at any time, he sings about it, & talks about it, but it does not appear like he lives like it.

It's just lip service, to help mask his image..

Prince needs true humility, & he must understand, that like the rest of us, he is not God...

Noodled24 said:

RODSERLING said:

Well... you say that but, Peach hit the top 20 in the UK as a single

Oh yeah, for one week. What a success.

It isn't on TV all the time there is a thread on the Org every time every time it's played on TV... it's not shown that often. I doubt it's ever been pushed to Netflix and the like. You keep saying the Movie isn't part of it but it's where the music for the album comes from. WB put the documentary together - Bart talked about it earlier in the thread. Which AFAIK has never been shown on TV.

You've already said it sells 100k each year

Yeah, 100k at 5 or 7 dollars. The reissue would cost 15/20$, maybe 30/40 $ for a deluxe limited edition. It can't sell that well without promotion. That's the trouble. That's why WB needs Prince.

Be logical : if they didn't need Prince, they would have already released it in 2014, for the 30 th anniversary, like it was stated. The've got all the materials they need. Period.

Elvis Presley, 2Pac, Michael Jackson... While of course it's preferable to have the artist on the road milking every penny. They don't actually need the artist to sell their songs. Even less when Prince tours all the time. WB could easily piggyback a remaster off any tour if they had to.

It likely wasn't released in 2014 because 2 other Prince albums were released. WB in a desperate bid to keep some kind of working relationship with the artist bowed to his wishes and put out PlectrumElectrum. Though not without consequence apparently.

Pushing a PR remaster back 6 months/12 months - 3 years. It doesn't matter. It's not going to have any effect on sales. People aren't going to reject it based on a release date not being precise.

But again - all I'm saying is that WBR no doubt have both "Prince-in" and "Prince-out" scenarios covered. They've been in the same situation before.

By Prince standards this sold very well.

A greatest hits is often the best selling album of an artist ( Madonna, Beatles, Eagles, Sly Stone, Abba, Billy Joel, QUEEN etc). It should have worked more with Prince, because he released many albums and even casual fans have not them all. Plus there are unreleased tracks...

DIAMONDS AND PEARLS was certified at 900 k in the UK. Promotion form LOVESYMBOL ended on spring 1993 (with the release of MORNING PAPERS on april).

We're talking about the ability of WB to make money off Prince without Prince's involvement

That's the problem. By 1993, physical copies sold well, this is not the case anymore. That's why they are so shy about releasing PR deluxe.

Prince has never been a huge seller

I can't agree on that

Pope" was never going to be a hit.

Everything can be a hit if there is promotion. If PEACH and CASHMERE were succesful, POPE would have been released as a single.

Prince had been involved it could have sold more but WB did pretty well off this album

Pretty well ? Even if you add the 3 best of, CD by CD, there is not even 10 millions of CD sold worldwide off this collection. Pretty weak for a best of, even if we counted them as one release instead of three.

Most artist who sold as much as Prince don't need 3 greatest hits to make ten millions of copies. Their recordhouse doesn't need to pay them 6 millions. They don't even need to put unreleased tracks.

Elvis Presley, 2Pac, Michael Jackson...

Mj is clearly the wrong exemple. MICHAEL was a flop ( 3.2 millions copies printed, but only two millions sold !) and XSCAPE they needed to make an hologram and JT to appear on a virtual duet to sell it at only 1.5 millions worldwide...

2PAC, these are new productors who record the music to stay up to date.

And they are all dead when they were young, and/or at the top.

You keep saying the Movie isn't part of it

See that with WB. Maybe a copyright issue ?

It likely wasn't released in 2014 because 2 other Prince albums were released

Nonsense. Nobody ever gave any fuck about AOA or PLEC ELEC. AOA spent 7 weeks on the BB 200 (and only one week on the top 20) and PLEC only 3 weeks on the BB 200.

We are talking about PR deluxe, an album that could have easily be #1 on the BB 200 and relauching Prince's career in front of a larger audience. They could have released PR one week later, nobody would have seen the difference.

Of course, like I said since august, it's a terrible marketing mistake to release 2 albums the same day, instead of PR. I'm still amazed that a big recordhouse such as WB made such a terrible mistake.

Pushing a PR remaster back 6 months/12 months - 3 years. It doesn't matter. It's not going to have any effect on sales. People aren't going to reject it based on a release date not being precise.

In 3 years, albums sales would have decreased dramatically. The later they release it, the less copies they will sell. Last year, 100 k american people already bought it for the anniversary. That's already 100 k less who would buy the re-release. And I'm not even talking about the others WB albums (1978/1999). They are losing hundred of thousand copies sold every six months.

I bet on a only digital release of PR this year, and that would be all.

There is no possible way in the world that the movies could be part of the deal, the 35 years law that gave P an edge to negociate masters reversal is a law about music not movies or anything else, and movies belong to a completely different juridiction, + WB music and WB films aren't even the same company anymore. There is no debate about whether the movies may now belong to Prince. They don't. They can't. They won't ever.

I tend to think they are working on the remasters now. Prince can easily get some easy press by saying WB will not take his calls. Much of this controversy may be made up just to generate some press headlines.

I think PE and AOA would have performed better if Prince had done some traditional promotion for the records, gone on Jimmy Fallon, or something similar. Some artist's have used The Voce, or American Idol, or even Dancing with the Stars to promote their records. Maybe a spot or two on those shows could have helped those records as well.

I am sure the remasters will come out some day. The problem will be that Prince will not please everyone with these releases. Prince has so much material from each album era that it probably would not be financially viable to release all the material. Some of these albums would have multiple hours of music. I guess they could do Super Deluxe versions but that can get expensive.

Some of these comments are getting pretty nasty and I would hope Prince does not read them because he may get offended by them. I am not sure that would inspire him to release the remasters any faster. We just need to be patient. It takes alot of work to produce these records and get them rolled out properly and I would rather wait and get a good product than a series of remasters that were poorly made.

RODSERLING said:

By Prince standards this sold very well.

A greatest hits is often the best selling album of an artist ( Madonna, Beatles, Eagles, Sly Stone, Abba, Billy Joel, QUEEN etc). It should have worked more with Prince, because he released many albums and even casual fans have not them all. Plus there are unreleased tracks...

DIAMONDS AND PEARLS was certified at 900 k in the UK. Promotion form LOVESYMBOL ended on spring 1993 (with the release of MORNING PAPERS on april).

Is the best selling Madonna "hits" collection a triple set at almost 4 time the price of a regular album? Also in the UK - he'd yet to have a #1 selling single.

We're talking about the ability of WB to make money off Prince without Prince's involvement

That's the problem. By 1993, physical copies sold well, this is not the case anymore. That's why they are so shy about releasing PR deluxe.

Prince has never been a huge seller

I can't agree on that

Pope" was never going to be a hit.

Everything can be a hit if there is promotion. If PEACH and CASHMERE were succesful, POPE would have been released as a single.

Prince isn't a monster seller. He usually doesn't sell Madonna numbers.

Prince had been involved it could have sold more but WB did pretty well off this album

Pretty well ? Even if you add the 3 best of, CD by CD, there is not even 10 millions of CD sold worldwide off this collection. Pretty weak for a best of, even if we counted them as one release instead of three.

Most artist who sold as much as Prince don't need 3 greatest hits to make ten millions of copies. Their recordhouse doesn't need to pay them 6 millions. They don't even need to put unreleased tracks.

Only 2 Prince albums have sold 10 million, and he doesn't have as many #1s as Jackson or Madonna.

The Lovesexy tour was one of the biggest of his career and the "Lovesexy" album wasn't huge.

Elvis Presley, 2Pac, Michael Jackson...

Mj is clearly the wrong exemple. MICHAEL was a flop ( 3.2 millions copies printed, but only two millions sold !) and XSCAPE they needed to make an hologram and JT to appear on a virtual duet to sell it at only 1.5 millions worldwide...

2PAC, these are new productors who record the music to stay up to date.

And they are all dead when they were young, and/or at the top.

3.2 million in this day and age isn't bad.

I know they are dead. Thats why I used them as examples of the record companies not needing the artist to promote a record.

It likely wasn't released in 2014 because 2 other Prince albums were released

Nonsense. Nobody ever gave any fuck about AOA or PLEC ELEC. AOA spent 7 weeks on the BB 200 (and only one week on the top 20) and PLEC only 3 weeks on the BB 200.

We are talking about PR deluxe, an album that could have easily be #1 on the BB 200 and relauching Prince's career in front of a larger audience. They could have released PR one week later, nobody would have seen the difference.

Of course, like I said since august, it's a terrible marketing mistake to release 2 albums the same day, instead of PR. I'm still amazed that a big recordhouse such as WB made such a terrible mistake.

Be amazed, because thats literally what happened.

Pushing a PR remaster back 6 months/12 months - 3 years. It doesn't matter. It's not going to have any effect on sales. People aren't going to reject it based on a release date not being precise.

In 3 years, albums sales would have decreased dramatically. The later they release it, the less copies they will sell. Last year, 100 k american people already bought it for the anniversary. That's already 100 k less who would buy the re-release. And I'm not even talking about the others WB albums (1978/1999). They are losing hundred of thousand copies sold every six months.

I bet on a only digital release of PR this year, and that would be all.

You're making up numbers again. You don't have monthy US sales figures for any album. Turning up at the Golden Globe and The Grammys both likely caused a spike in sales.

WB have in the past released albums with little or no support from Prince. They're more than capable of doing the same thing again if they have to.

They obviously have Prince under contract and part of the contract is a PR remaster. With or without him it'll come. It wont be digital-only because that would instantly slash the size of the market. Especially in older demographics where customers tend to enjoy tangible ownership.

It doesn't really matter whether he is up for promoting the album with more singles (whatever that means these days, since any track on iTunes is a single if people start buyin it).

The nouveau record industry of 2015 works precisely like the film industry which doesn't try to resuscitate a dead donkey after the first week's takings are in.
It's all about ENTRY.

Nothing of that is right but there's less music in the music industry than ever.
It's all about the dolla.

Also, it's a mis-take on what happened with WB last year to imagine that WB had any genuine interest in reacquiring Prince. The deal may have pitched out for publicity that way but they were in the middle of evading monopolies and mergers legislation in a number of countries (particularly the UK) over business deals in construction.
They disposed of Prince's catalogue in terms of 'property' as they did many other properties on their books including quite a few independent label catalogues they'd previously acquired.

So Prince got what he wanted which was 'ownership' and they kept (and got back further) options on him should the miracle of imagination ever strike.
As it hasn't, expect WB to leave it til 2024 to remarket Purple Rain.

Then again, if the man himself were able to get with a project manager and defer to him/her (as Paul McCartney has done with Scott Rodgers) then that person can create linkage between reissues and touring. It's not something to be done quickly though and in McCartney's case the viability of seriously deluxe reissues and reshowings in cinemas of movies etc has had to be backed up by a personal commitment (CA$H to make it happen even when it's not profitable)

Not sure that Prince has the will nor the cash to make this move but if he does commit to a reissue program (and that means really commit for a number of years) then all could be groovy for music old and new.

But as per McCartney, you need the artist to be actively involved in seizing opportunities to reinsert their legacy into present time. I think Prince gets some wildfire moments of that but has some kind of resistance to the idea that he might be looking backwards. Understandable as his rep has been about going forward, cutting new turf but, again, there are project management visionaries around who can recontextualise reissues within that. It's the 'difficult to work with' rep that's gonna keep them away IS THE PROBLEM

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Noodled24 said:

RODSERLING said:

By Prince standards this sold very well.

A greatest hits is often the best selling album of an artist ( Madonna, Beatles, Eagles, Sly Stone, Abba, Billy Joel, QUEEN etc). It should have worked more with Prince, because he released many albums and even casual fans have not them all. Plus there are unreleased tracks...

DIAMONDS AND PEARLS was certified at 900 k in the UK. Promotion form LOVESYMBOL ended on spring 1993 (with the release of MORNING PAPERS on april).

Is the best selling Madonna "hits" collection a triple set at almost 4 time the price of a regular album? Also in the UK - he'd yet to have a #1 selling single.

Be amazed, because thats literally what happened.

Pushing a PR remaster back 6 months/12 months - 3 years. It doesn't matter. It's not going to have any effect on sales. People aren't going to reject it based on a release date not being precise.

In 3 years, albums sales would have decreased dramatically. The later they release it, the less copies they will sell. Last year, 100 k american people already bought it for the anniversary. That's already 100 k less who would buy the re-release. And I'm not even talking about the others WB albums (1978/1999). They are losing hundred of thousand copies sold every six months.

I bet on a only digital release of PR this year, and that would be all.

You're making up numbers again. You don't have monthy US sales figures for any album. Turning up at the Golden Globe and The Grammys both likely caused a spike in sales.

WB have in the past released albums with little or no support from Prince. They're more than capable of doing the same thing again if they have to.

They obviously have Prince under contract and part of the contract is a PR remaster. With or without him it'll come. It wont be digital-only because that would instantly slash the size of the market. Especially in older demographics where customers tend to enjoy tangible ownership.

Is the best selling Madonna "hits" collection a triple set at almost 4 time the price of a regular album? Also in the UK - he'd yet to have a #1 selling single.

NO, but as I told you, even if you add all the discs of this collection there is about 10 millions sold worldwide in maybe twenty years. How can I make myself clear ? With 3 separates releases of 5 disc (GH 1 + GH 2 + 3 CD of the boxset) covering 15 years and 13 albums, with unreleased tracks, b faces...He can't even reach one third of what Madonna sold with IMMACULATE COLLECTION (30 millions) with no unreleased tracks and with only 1 release, and covering only 6 years of career.

Whatever, I bought the 3 CD collection set at 8 euros in the 00's, in a supermarket lol.

Also in the UK - he'd yet to have a #1 selling single.

he's no Madonna or MJ, but in the US he had the best chartrunner of singles 1980/2005. He beats MJ, madonna, whoever you want on this era.

Even in the UK he is one of the best selling artist in term of singles.

You don't have monthy US sales figures for any album

You'd be amazed.

WB have in the past released albums with little or no support from Prince

We can name this albums :

COME

BLACK ALBUM

GOLD

CHAOS AND DISORDER

THE VAULT

AOA

PLECTRUM ELECTRUM

All horrible failures on charts.

They obviously have Prince under contract and part of the contract is a PR remaster

They already got what they wanted. Prince got what he wanted.

And if they wanted to release PR, they would already have done it. That is a nonsense commercially speaking to wait. An only-digital release is their only way to be sure to not lose money in the printing, the marketing, etc.

It wont be digital-only because that would instantly slash the size of the market

Remember the BAD 25 failure ? And I'm pretty sure there is more unreleased stuff on BAD 25 that what was ever planned for PR 30. Spike lee directed a documentary that was only released on the Sony site. Maybe physical copies of PR could be ordered on the WB site, in 2019, for the 35 th anniversary.

[Edited 2/11/15 2:15am]

And I made clear that the 3.2 millions copies of MICHAEL were shipments of the 1st day. 1 month later, it was already on sales, and years after there is still more than one million of copies printed the first day unsold. That's maybe the greatest failure of the music industry ever.

i think in an interview about 2 months back in record collector u.k magazine 3rdeyegirl said purple rain cd had been remasterd. Probably they are waiting for Prince to get behind project. I can not imagine it being release without outtakes and extended versions etc as it would be pretty pointless.

I still think it would be a success without Princes promotion as he does not much anyway and if warners got behind it with a big promotion. it would do fine without him.

warning2all said:

They had the "contractual obligation" albums, plus the right to release VBOP- and released them on their own timetable.

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Nope, they got two out of the three Prince owed them. Warner execs accepted them because they were sick of him; basically this was a deal Russ Thyret insisted upon. Of coruse, that was before they received the albums and saw the artwork...

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Ultimate was delayed because Prince requested it, and its contents were altered at his request. Neither was required, yet they still did so.

warning2all said:

For all we know, WB has "Purple Rain 30" delivered to them. They had the "contractual obligation" albums, plus the right to release VBOP- and released them on their own timetable. You all are going to drive yourselves crazy with guessing. It will get released.

Why would they release another very best of ?

master said:

i think in an interview about 2 months back in record collector u.k magazine 3rdeyegirl said purple rain cd had been remasterd. Probably they are waiting for Prince to get behind project. I can not imagine it being release without outtakes and extended versions etc as it would be pretty pointless.

I still think it would be a success without Princes promotion as he does not much anyway and if warners got behind it with a big promotion. it would do fine without him.

You can't make big promotion without the artist. Promotion would be paid by Prince, because he owns the masters. And of course, promotion is refund by money made on a worldwide tour.

Remastered with the loudness war means low dynamic. It will sound worst than what was ALREADY released on CD.

Even vinyls released today, most of the time, don't reach the dynamics of CD released in the early 90's. That's a fact.

They could put on it extented versions that have already been released on a form or on another, but it's obvious that Prince doesn't want to give them unreleased songs (like ELECTRIC INTERCOURSE).

He made clear that they are not finished until he released them. These songs could be used, in a reworked form, on future albums (if somebody is crazy enough to make a deal with him, I bet that these times are over). Even outtakes of well-known songs could present some instrumental, lyrical or vocal stuff that he could use elsewhere.

And of course the material that Prince gave them is pointless, that's surely another reason why they are not in a hurry to release PR 31.

I've got a question for those who still thinks the deal is happening : when do you believe WB will release it ? 2015 ? 2016 ? 2019 for the 35 th anniversary when the Cd format will be dead ? What are they waiting for ?

I do not believe it was or will be remastered in the traditional analog manner as the Led Zeppelin catalog has been (over and over and over). But then again at my age and hearing: MP3s sound fine for the most part.

But even if it was a pristine remaster I am not sure that alone would sell me. I am not even sure what it would take in terms of additional songs it would take to get me sold. It would likely need to be more that the 4 other songs and various extended and B-Sides.

The good time to release the remasters would have been from 2004 and so on. Prince and WB lost dozens of millions $ they could have make with this kind of deal. And I'm not even talking about the music video released on a good quality, and of course, live.

http://www.startribune.co...18897.html

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TOM TUCKER: We tried to talk him into archiving everything when he was still with Warners. We were going to buy a convection oven and bake all the analog tapes, and archive them to digital. But at the last minute he pulled the plug. He said he didn't want anybody to hear all that music. Those old analog tapes are just gumming up down in his vault. And then what's going to happen if it's not in his will? What if it's in his will to destroy that stuff? That would be like half the Beatles' tunes being lost.

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I'm still hoping Prince reconsidered this.

RODSERLING said:

Remastered with the loudness war means low dynamic. It will sound worst than what was ALREADY released on CD.

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Don't pretend there's only one option. Plenty of current remasters improve on the original and previous remasters. There's even a "flat remaster" movement of sorts.

RODSERLING said:

The good time to release the remasters would have been from 2004 and so on. Prince and WB lost dozens of millions $ they could have make with this kind of deal. And I'm not even talking about the music video released on a good quality, and of course, live.

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WBR are utterly blameless. Prince is the SOLE reason for the lack of such things.

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.startribune.co...18897.html

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TOM TUCKER: We tried to talk him into archiving everything when he was still with Warners. We were going to buy a convection oven and bake all the analog tapes, and archive them to digital. But at the last minute he pulled the plug. He said he didn't want anybody to hear all that music. Those old analog tapes are just gumming up down in his vault. And then what's going to happen if it's not in his will? What if it's in his will to destroy that stuff? That would be like half the Beatles' tunes being lost.

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I'm still hoping Prince reconsidered this.

Prince should be tried for crimes against humanity.

And still he keeps releasing all his new songs, 99% forgettable....

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

Remastered with the loudness war means low dynamic. It will sound worst than what was ALREADY released on CD.

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Don't pretend there's only one option. Plenty of current remasters improve on the original and previous remasters. There's even a "flat remaster" movement of sorts.

The only option considered in the case of Prince, would be the cheaper one.

Each time they released a greatest hit from Prince (1993, 2001, 2006), the dynamic was lower than the previous one.

Of course, it's not really remasters, but the goal was clearly to sound "louder". No doubt PR 30 was intented to sound that way too.

[Edited 2/11/15 5:27am]

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

The good time to release the remasters would have been from 2004 and so on. Prince and WB lost dozens of millions $ they could have make with this kind of deal. And I'm not even talking about the music video released on a good quality, and of course, live.

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WBR are utterly blameless. Prince is the SOLE reason for the lack of such things.

WB didn't believe in Musicology, at a time when the remasters were discussed in 2003. But of course, he is the one to blame. I just pointed out that P is not the only one who could profit from such a deal.

[Edited 2/11/15 5:28am]

So, where's a Warner Bros Records insider when you need one...?

RODSERLING said:

And I made clear that the 3.2 millions copies of MICHAEL were shipments of the 1st day. 1 month later, it was already on sales, and years after there is still more than one million of copies printed the first day unsold. That's maybe the greatest failure of the music industry ever.

If you're a Jackson fan perhaps.

As far as the record company is concerned they shipped 3.2 million units day one at which point they'd already made tens of millions from the album.

RODSERLING said:

master said:

i think in an interview about 2 months back in record collector u.k magazine 3rdeyegirl said purple rain cd had been remasterd. Probably they are waiting for Prince to get behind project. I can not imagine it being release without outtakes and extended versions etc as it would be pretty pointless.

I still think it would be a success without Princes promotion as he does not much anyway and if warners got behind it with a big promotion. it would do fine without him.

You can't make big promotion without the artist. Promotion would be paid by Prince, because he owns the masters. And of course, promotion is refund by money made on a worldwide tour.

Remastered with the loudness war means low dynamic. It will sound worst than what was ALREADY released on CD.

Even vinyls released today, most of the time, don't reach the dynamics of CD released in the early 90's. That's a fact.

They could put on it extented versions that have already been released on a form or on another, but it's obvious that Prince doesn't want to give them unreleased songs (like ELECTRIC INTERCOURSE).

He made clear that they are not finished until he released them. These songs could be used, in a reworked form, on future albums (if somebody is crazy enough to make a deal with him, I bet that these times are over). Even outtakes of well-known songs could present some instrumental, lyrical or vocal stuff that he could use elsewhere.

And of course the material that Prince gave them is pointless, that's surely another reason why they are not in a hurry to release PR 31.

I've got a question for those who still thinks the deal is happening : when do you believe WB will release it ? 2015 ? 2016 ? 2019 for the 35 th anniversary when the Cd format will be dead ? What are they waiting for ?

i do not recall prince doing much promotion in 80s no interview etc. surely it would be up to warner brothers to promote. Sony can promote jackson cds without him so possible i think. Just put alot of adverts etc and album is that good people will buy it.

I like you think the cd will just be louder.

All he needs to do is 6 unreleased tracks like wednesday, electric intercourse

Demos like maybe original baby i'm a star that was supposedly better, adding version of purple rain song with extra verse.

Associated artist put the time tracks. apollonia dez dickensen etc on it,

B-sides, extended versions Like computer blue. beautiful ones, and dance mixs.

I think at most that is all we will get but i can still see it selling well.

The first avenue benefit show dvd obviously should be added but that is unlikely.

i think if he gave them that i think majority would be happy.

Announcing it a year ago and making us wait without any knowledge of whether this project is scrapped is abit unfair.

[Edited 2/13/15 7:49am]

Noodled24 said:

RODSERLING said:

And I made clear that the 3.2 millions copies of MICHAEL were shipments of the 1st day. 1 month later, it was already on sales, and years after there is still more than one million of copies printed the first day unsold. That's maybe the greatest failure of the music industry ever.

If you're a Jackson fan perhaps.

As far as the record company is concerned they shipped 3.2 million units day one at which point they'd already made tens of millions from the album.

No, because shops are returning shipments unsold to Sony. That is millions of dollars lost. And printing 3 millions albums so fast, cost money too. Sony made the choice to print this album, instead of others, to monopolize factories for an album that is not selling, and to pay overwork for the workers.

master said:

RODSERLING said:

You can't make big promotion without the artist. Promotion would be paid by Prince, because he owns the masters. And of course, promotion is refund by money made on a worldwide tour.

Remastered with the loudness war means low dynamic. It will sound worst than what was ALREADY released on CD.

Even vinyls released today, most of the time, don't reach the dynamics of CD released in the early 90's. That's a fact.

They could put on it extented versions that have already been released on a form or on another, but it's obvious that Prince doesn't want to give them unreleased songs (like ELECTRIC INTERCOURSE).

He made clear that they are not finished until he released them. These songs could be used, in a reworked form, on future albums (if somebody is crazy enough to make a deal with him, I bet that these times are over). Even outtakes of well-known songs could present some instrumental, lyrical or vocal stuff that he could use elsewhere.

And of course the material that Prince gave them is pointless, that's surely another reason why they are not in a hurry to release PR 31.

I've got a question for those who still thinks the deal is happening : when do you believe WB will release it ? 2015 ? 2016 ? 2019 for the 35 th anniversary when the Cd format will be dead ? What are they waiting for ?

i do not recall prince doing much promotion in 80s no interview etc. surely it would be up to warner brothers to promote. Sony can promote jackson cds without him so possible i think. Just put alot of adverts etc and album is that good people will buy it.

I like you think the cd will just be louder.

All he needs to do is 6 unreleased tracks like wednesday, electric intercourse

Demos like maybe original baby i'm a star that was supposedly better, adding version of purple rain song with extra verse.

Associated artist put the time tracks. apollonia dez dickensen etc on it,

B-sides, extended versions Like computer blue. beautiful ones, and dance mixs.

I think at most that is all we will get but i can still see it selling well.

The first avenue benefit show dvd obviously should be added but that is unlikely.

i think if he gave them that i think majority would be happy.

Announcing it a year ago and making us wait without any knowledge of whether this project is scrapped is abit unfair.

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i do not recall prince doing much promotion in 80s no interview etc.

You've got short memories so, because in the 80's Prince was doing music video, and toured all around the world.

Just put alot of adverts etc and album is that good people will buy it.

It's not enough to make money.

All he needs to do is 6 unreleased tracks like wednesday, electric intercourse

Not happening, Prince won't give unreleased songs

The first avenue benefit show dvd obviously

The deal doesn't cover video, so not happening.