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Reply #210 posted 11/26/14 3:47am

udo

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fnksoul said:

Can you imagine the money it would bring in if he opened up the archives of live shows recorded from Soundboard etc...? He could name his price with most fans.

Yes we can.

But he can't. He has inhibitions, issues, reasons, whatever.

Deal with that or download/steal/buy bootlegs.

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Reply #211 posted 11/26/14 3:49am

cloUwds

It may be just me not noticing this before... But were Hannah, Donna and Ida's twitter accounts verified before this happened? If not they are now.

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Reply #212 posted 11/26/14 4:09am

fnksoul

udo said:

fnksoul said:

Can you imagine the money it would bring in if he opened up the archives of live shows recorded from Soundboard etc...? He could name his price with most fans.

Yes we can.

But he can't. He has inhibitions, issues, reasons, whatever.

Deal with that or download/steal/buy bootlegs.



I am dealing with that lol I know it would never happen, that was my point, he isnt bothered about the money, that would be his only reason he would ever do this.

The only thing he wants is his music out there, and although I do like AOA and PE I cant see record companies falling over themselves to put this material out.

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Reply #213 posted 11/26/14 4:37am

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KingSausage said:

udo said:

So?

Then it might still be unwise to do certain things.

One may argue he even has some responsibilities and/or has to be protected against himself.

For real. Nobody is saying Prince doesn't have the right to do this. We're just saying he's dumb as fuck for doing it.

Of course, but that's his problem. Every album he released since PR, he fucked up the promotion. If he retired since 2001, that wouldn't have been a problem for me. At 56 years, it's time for him to do something else than releasing albums that he got bore as soon as they are released.

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Reply #214 posted 11/26/14 4:43am

calciumpaul

A reaction to the leaks?

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Reply #215 posted 11/26/14 5:18am

BartVanHemelen

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fnksoul said:

I am dealing with that lol I know it would never happen, that was my point, he isnt bothered about the money

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Oh he is (just go read his recent interviews), but he just doesn't feel he has gotten the right offers yet. Just look at all the crapola WBR had to do to get The Hits/The B-Sides released. Look at the deal to release The Black Album. It's always about money (and control) and about how Prince thinks they're trying to pull a fast one on him.

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And he doesn't seem to realise the contents of that vault get worth less and less each year, especially considering the current technological advances combined with the trends WRT music consumption.

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He should have cashed in long ago.

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Reply #216 posted 11/26/14 5:32am

Stymie

My guess is that he's about to do another official website, somewhere he can out all the official and unofficial stuff.
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Reply #217 posted 11/26/14 5:55am

iZsaZsa

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Stymie said:

My guess is that he's about to do another official website, somewhere he can out all the official and unofficial stuff.

Yes, please! flower
What?
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Reply #218 posted 11/26/14 5:59am

Rebeljuice

BartVanHemelen said:

fnksoul said:

I am dealing with that lol I know it would never happen, that was my point, he isnt bothered about the money

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Oh he is (just go read his recent interviews), but he just doesn't feel he has gotten the right offers yet. Just look at all the crapola WBR had to do to get The Hits/The B-Sides released. Look at the deal to release The Black Album. It's always about money (and control) and about how Prince thinks they're trying to pull a fast one on him.

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And he doesn't seem to realise the contents of that vault get worth less and less each year, especially considering the current technological advances combined with the trends WRT music consumption.

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He should have cashed in long ago.

Exactly! I have no sympathy for his plight. "Mega rich superstar once again retreats into himself and withdraws from society because someone called him a name and didnt like his hair!"... boo fucking hoo...

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Reply #219 posted 11/26/14 6:06am

MJ007

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An insider source speaks on why Prince may have pulled the plug on his social accounts. Check the "speculative" deets here. http://funkatopia.com/fun...dia-again/

I can see Prince pulling the plug for those reasons among others. No one wants to deal with whiney assed fans and bitching. Who's got time for that - except us. He dabbled in social media, and perhaps, now he's over it. I wondered why he would be taking selfies like Kim K. To me, it seemed so beneath him. Yes, he's narcissistic but it seemed a bit juvenile for someone of his musical/professional stature.

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Reply #220 posted 11/26/14 6:15am

laurarichardso
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BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

Why is it Prince's job to market the CDs, Why is WB not doing any marketing for this project?

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So it is WBR's fault he couldn't be arsed to appear on GMA?

-------- If they are not prepared to pay for it yes. Could he spend his own money sure but why would he do that? In the end he does not have the money or power to get radio to play any of the songs and that is the one thing you need a major label for radio push and promotion What is the point in being signed to a major label if you are not going to a have a budget to market or promote the CD. I do not even see internet ads for this project. How much could that have cost? I read an interview with Lenny Kravizt and he said that when he went back to Virgin Records they lied to him about how much they were going to spend to promote his CD. Once the CD came out they let him know that had no money to promote the project. I do not remember seeing Lenny out promoting it himself.
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Reply #221 posted 11/26/14 6:15am

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All that I want one day in relation with Prince, is a book from an insider at WB that explains what happened on the wings with all those ludicrous deals P signed that went to nowhere. That could be an enjoyable read

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Reply #222 posted 11/26/14 6:41am

brookinz

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Jeez! This nonsense will never end, will it?

God knows I was totally supporting Prince's excentricities, such as not singing on We Are The World or changing his name into an unpronounceable symbol, but when it comes to the erratic way he's been handling his internet presence over the last 10 years, I say enough is enough!

How hard can it be to maintain

- an official presence on social networks

- an official YT channel

- an official website with an online music store

???

Playing hide and seek online has its charms but too much is too much, this is just plain bad marketing is all that is, and it doesn't serve the cause of the music in the end when the music isn't anywhere to be found.

This doesn't bode well for the much anticipated remaster program.

I love Prince's music, but he's a train wreck business wise. Over the past few years, I've been amazed at how many people in their teens and twenties don't really know he is. Now, after watching how he's managed his music and business over that time. I'm not surprised. There are few ways for people to be exposed to his music.

For me personally, I'm a bit weary of the crap.

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Reply #223 posted 11/26/14 6:43am

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Stymie said:

My guess is that he's about to do another official website, somewhere he can out all the official and unofficial stuff.

You ASSume that he has a plan, a vision.

You ASSume that he will fix the apparent chaos.

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ASSumption is the mother of all f**kups.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #224 posted 11/26/14 7:02am

lwr001

RODSERLING said:

Prince has the right to do what he wants. He is owing nothing to us.

His twitter and facebook thing was useless anyway, just like his new music.

Commercially speaking, he is killing himself, the poor sales and negative reviews of 3EG MATERIAL during the past 2 years must have something to do with ihis decision to retire from internet. It's the first time in his carreer Prince didn't change a formula that commercially doesn't work.

The best he has to do is to release reeditions with unreleased material, something he doesn't want to. Nobody will ever sign him a contract anymore for an album, the thought of it is just silly.

What negative reviews, oh the ones on here..And u are foolish if yoiu for a second think no one wil sign him

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Reply #225 posted 11/26/14 7:11am

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lwr001 said:

RODSERLING said:

Prince has the right to do what he wants. He is owing nothing to us.

His twitter and facebook thing was useless anyway, just like his new music.

Commercially speaking, he is killing himself, the poor sales and negative reviews of 3EG MATERIAL during the past 2 years must have something to do with ihis decision to retire from internet. It's the first time in his carreer Prince didn't change a formula that commercially doesn't work.

The best he has to do is to release reeditions with unreleased material, something he doesn't want to. Nobody will ever sign him a contract anymore for an album, the thought of it is just silly.

What negative reviews, oh the ones on here..And u are foolish if yoiu for a second think no one wil sign him

negative is probably pushing it, but they haven't been overwhelmingly positive, off the top of my head:

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http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19900-prince-3rdeyegirl-art-official-ageplectrumelectrum/

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http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/sep/29/prince-art-official-age-and-plectrumelectrum-review

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http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6266674/prince-first-two-albums-in-four-years-review

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Reply #226 posted 11/26/14 7:26am

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Stymie said:

My guess is that he's about to do another official website, somewhere he can out all the official and unofficial stuff.

Another $77 t-shirt! woot!
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Reply #227 posted 11/26/14 7:53am

BartVanHemelen

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laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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So it is WBR's fault he couldn't be arsed to appear on GMA?

-------- If they are not prepared to pay for it yes.

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So they paid for the girls to visit, but not Princey? It really never is Prince's fault in your world, right, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

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Could he spend his own money sure but why would he do that?

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He wants to reap the benefits of just outsourcing distribution, then he also should experience the downside. WBR have got plenty of artists of their own to care about, I don't see why they should be required to babysit someone who has been an asshole to them in the past.

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What is the point in being signed to a major label if you are not going to a have a budget to market or promote the CD.

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I bet there was a budget. And then that disappeared when Princey wanted to also release the 3EG record at the same time as AOA. I also wouldn't be surprised if there were milestones tied to budgets (e.g. "Prince should do promotion X to free budget Y") and that Prince failed to meet most/all of them.

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If you're WBR and you look at the promo Prince did by himself, you'd be nuts to spend a ton of money to promote a record that was basically DOA, especially considering that you're only making peanuts. They probably told him to come up with a decent promotional push, and instead we got a bunch of lame-ass tweets and facebook posts, a visit of the 3EG girls to a fashion show, a bunch of lame interviews with the 3EG girls (who really have got nothing to say), a whiney interview with Prince where he was dissing the upcoming Purple Rain remaster,...

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Ghee, I wonder why WBR stopped making an effort; perhaps because the one guy with most at stake couldn't be arsed to launch the promo effort himself and next failed to do anything of substance himself. I bet they looked at that Yahoo screencast as more or less the last chance and then it was two hours of amateurism plus lotsa talk about music NOT available on these two new albums (which basically told them that once again Prince had gotten bored of his current album) and a short concert that featured a 1994(!) track, a Sly Stone cover(!) and one song that was actually on one of the two albums that screencast was supposed to pomote.

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I read an interview with Lenny Kravizt and he said that when he went back to Virgin Records they lied to him about how much they were going to spend to promote his CD. Once the CD came out they let him know that had no money to promote the project. I do not remember seeing Lenny out promoting it himself.

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He doesn't seem mad at Virgin:

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http://www.billboard.com/...rtnerships

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Kravitz arrives at Atlantic/Roadrunner after a long-standing relationship with Virgin, which released 1989's classic Let Love Rule and, most recently, 2008's It Is Time for a Love Revolution. The latter has sold 240,000 copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Despite leaving Virgin with one album left on his contract, the artist says he and the label parted on friendly terms.

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"It was just time for a change," he says. "It was not the place I'd signed to. It had gone through many versions... it was time for new blood."

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Reply #228 posted 11/26/14 8:26am

terrig

Prince doesn't need social media really for anything. Its easy to assume now that its necessary business wise, but really no, its not necessary. If you want to reach people under 40 yes, somewhat necessary...but people under 40 don't spend on music, REALLY. So tripping over yourself to reach them doesn't seem worth the effort for someone like Prince. He can disappear and do whatever he wants, pop out whenever he wants and we'll all go see him. More than likely he's taken it to the end of its usefulness and now he's done. It was more fun for us than it was for him (even if it wasn't him, but you could tell when it was him) But meh. So what. We don't need Prince to be like the butt-selfie girl, we just want music. That won't stop till he drops dead - this we know. RIP 2014 can't wait for whats next smile
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Reply #229 posted 11/26/14 8:28am

KingSausage

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We should pretty much start taking bets on when Prince will begin publicly bashing WB for its alleged lack of promotion. You know it's coming.
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Reply #230 posted 11/26/14 8:30am

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jaawwnn said:

lwr001 said:

What negative reviews, oh the ones on here..And u are foolish if yoiu for a second think no one wil sign him

Nobody signed him the last 4 years, WB only signed him in exchange of the reeditions. Even on sale and despite a promotion tour with 3EG (before the album release, what an asshole) nobody buys it.

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Reply #231 posted 11/26/14 9:07am

lwr001

RODSERLING said:

jaawwnn said:

Nobody signed him the last 4 years, WB only signed him in exchange of the reeditions. Even on sale and despite a promotion tour with 3EG (before the album release, what an asshole) nobody buys it.

you posted 4 not positive reviews, i can post 100 positive ones..Also, you seem to bea ble to state with certainty that "no one offered him a deal" How do you know..YOu his lawyer, run a label etc., if not, please stfu with your conjecture..Its not based in fact

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Reply #232 posted 11/26/14 9:09am

PhDMusicology

I'm very disappointed in this forum....now, I admit that I have not read every single post in these 8 pages, but I have skimmed through most of it. I simply cannot believe that someone has not started the rumor that this is all happening to make way for the comeback of The Revolution to tour in support of the Purple Rain 30th Anniversary. wink

Seriously though - Prince is Prince and he can (and will) do what/when/if he wants. He has always been that way, and frankly that is something that many of his fans have admired about him. In the end, my view remains the same....I'm a fan because I respect his music. Would I like more of it? Of course...but I'll take what I can get, which means I'll take what he wants us to have.

It would seem odd that they were so frontal about talking about an upcoming tour with 3EG...that now they would quickly drop them as a band? While I agree 3EG has been around longer than most people expect (no reflection on them, it's just Prince's trend), I certainly did not expect an abrupt drop of them considering the talk of an upcoming tour. And let's be honest - we don't know that 3EG is gone.

I'm more upset at the potential that the Paisley parties may be shut down now for a while? With no social media/web presence, I don't know how he/they could announce when they will be?!

In the end...we should all just relax. In time we will know more. Life will be ok. Go back and listen to his music and remind ourselves why we really are fans.

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Reply #233 posted 11/26/14 9:23am

RODSERLING

lwr001 said:

RODSERLING said:

Nobody signed him the last 4 years, WB only signed him in exchange of the reeditions. Even on sale and despite a promotion tour with 3EG (before the album release, what an asshole) nobody buys it.

you posted 4 not positive reviews, i can post 100 positive ones..Also, you seem to bea ble to state with certainty that "no one offered him a deal" How do you know..YOu his lawyer, run a label etc., if not, please stfu with your conjecture..Its not based in fact

I don't care about your positives reviews, every major record can buy positive reviews of an album. Just listen to PLEC ELEC, common, no wonder why nobody wanted to release it, even WBR.

My assertions are based on the following facts :

- He released no album during the last 4 years, and more than 5 years in the USA, proving that there was nobody here to make him a deal with the press such as in Europe

- He encountered many labels, he even encountered Jermaine Dupri this year

- He announced PLECTRUM ELECTRUM months before actually finding a major to distribute it. Everything shows that Prince wanted to release it during the spring of 2014, he even toured massively with the 3EG.

- Nobody wants to sign with somebody that don't make the promotion of an album he releases. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that. Even wreckastore are afraid to stock prince's album, cause they know they will stay on the shelf, because Prince doesn't make promotion.

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Reply #234 posted 11/26/14 9:41am

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RODSERLING said:

lwr001 said:

you posted 4 not positive reviews, i can post 100 positive ones..Also, you seem to bea ble to state with certainty that "no one offered him a deal" How do you know..YOu his lawyer, run a label etc., if not, please stfu with your conjecture..Its not based in fact

I don't care about your positives reviews, every major record can buy positive reviews of an album. Just listen to PLEC ELEC, common, no wonder why nobody wanted to release it, even WBR.

My assertions are based on the following facts :

- He released no album during the last 4 years, and more than 5 years in the USA, proving that there was nobody here to make him a deal with the press such as in Europe

- He encountered many labels, he even encountered Jermaine Dupri this year

- He announced PLECTRUM ELECTRUM months before actually finding a major to distribute it. Everything shows that Prince wanted to release it during the spring of 2014, he even toured massively with the 3EG.

- Nobody wants to sign with somebody that don't make the promotion of an album he releases. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that. Even wreckastore are afraid to stock prince's album, cause they know they will stay on the shelf, because Prince doesn't make promotion.

This is YOUR OPINION on PLEC, some people like this album.

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This proves absolutely ZERO, except for the fact that you continue to produce nothing except PURE speculation on your part based on some facts. Your posts prove only one thing, that you care about sales more than anyone here (congrats), with the flimsy argument that if his albums don't sell there won't be any more albums from Prince which is the dumbest speculation possible.

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Reply #235 posted 11/26/14 9:42am

2020

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The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

Remember there is only one destination and that place is U
All of it. Everything. Is U.
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Reply #236 posted 11/26/14 9:50am

MJ007

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lol

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Reply #237 posted 11/26/14 10:07am

KCOOLMUZIQ

laurarichardson said:

said:

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So it is WBR's fault he couldn't be arsed to appear on GMA?

-------- If they are not prepared to pay for it yes. Could he spend his own money sure but why would he do that? In the end he does not have the money or power to get radio to play any of the songs and that is the one thing you need a major label for radio push and promotion What is the point in being signed to a major label if you are not going to a have a budget to market or promote the CD. I do not even see internet ads for this project. How much could that have cost? I read an interview with Lenny Kravizt and he said that when he went back to Virgin Records they lied to him about how much they were going to spend to promote his CD. Once the CD came out they let him know that had no money to promote the project. I do not remember seeing Lenny out promoting it himself.

WB did spend money on promotion. I spotted this, near where Eye live, while driving.These Billboards aren't cheap!

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #238 posted 11/26/14 10:10am

lwr001

nosajd said:

RODSERLING said:

I don't care about your positives reviews, every major record can buy positive reviews of an album. Just listen to PLEC ELEC, common, no wonder why nobody wanted to release it, even WBR.

My assertions are based on the following facts :

- He released no album during the last 4 years, and more than 5 years in the USA, proving that there was nobody here to make him a deal with the press such as in Europe

- He encountered many labels, he even encountered Jermaine Dupri this year

- He announced PLECTRUM ELECTRUM months before actually finding a major to distribute it. Everything shows that Prince wanted to release it during the spring of 2014, he even toured massively with the 3EG.

- Nobody wants to sign with somebody that don't make the promotion of an album he releases. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that. Even wreckastore are afraid to stock prince's album, cause they know they will stay on the shelf, because Prince doesn't make promotion.

This is YOUR OPINION on PLEC, some people like this album.

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This proves absolutely ZERO, except for the fact that you continue to produce nothing except PURE speculation on your part based on some facts. Your posts prove only one thing, that you care about sales more than anyone here (congrats), with the flimsy argument that if his albums don't sell there won't be any more albums from Prince which is the dumbest speculation possible.

Exactly!

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Reply #239 posted 11/26/14 10:41am

murph

RODSERLING said:

lwr001 said:

you posted 4 not positive reviews, i can post 100 positive ones..Also, you seem to bea ble to state with certainty that "no one offered him a deal" How do you know..YOu his lawyer, run a label etc., if not, please stfu with your conjecture..Its not based in fact

I don't care about your positives reviews, every major record can buy positive reviews of an album. Just listen to PLEC ELEC, common, no wonder why nobody wanted to release it, even WBR.

My assertions are based on the following facts :

- He released no album during the last 4 years, and more than 5 years in the USA, proving that there was nobody here to make him a deal with the press such as in Europe

- He encountered many labels, he even encountered Jermaine Dupri this year

- He announced PLECTRUM ELECTRUM months before actually finding a major to distribute it. Everything shows that Prince wanted to release it during the spring of 2014, he even toured massively with the 3EG.

- Nobody wants to sign with somebody that don't make the promotion of an album he releases. No need to be Sherlock Holmes to know that. Even wreckastore are afraid to stock prince's album, cause they know they will stay on the shelf, because Prince doesn't make promotion.

Actually u have to pretty much be Sherlock Holmes to come up with these conclusions....

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