TrevorAyer said:

prince will never be a respected rapper like say BIG .. just because prince tries to rap does not mean he can rap .. just because prince tries to play rock does not mean he is good at it .. dreamer will never touch voodoo chile or even p's own good songs .. yes hendrix will never to a housequake but prince will never record something as good as voodoo chile .. prince cant play jazz .. his rnb is repetative and boring .. his "jamming" is often awful (just listen to the undertaker) .. saying prince is better because he is more well rounded than other musicians is a garbage comparison ... prince fails at most genres he attempts .. he cant even record his own hits properly .. eg ... NC2U ... he is a good songwriter at times and when surrounded by the right musicians makes great music .. he is not better than tons and tons of other musicians .. and he certainly cant write the style they are all great at .. he tries but its just not very good or worthy of note .. as confirmed by the rest of the world

LoL......with all due respect, i've seen your clips on Youtube, your guitar strumming consists of stuff I learned in highschool guitar class and you seem unable or unwilling to keep your voice in tune. I don't believe you have the requiste bona fides to criticize anyone who actually makes a living as musician or a singer, let alone Prince.

Keep practicing though......

TrevorAyer said:

prince will never be a respected rapper like say BIG .. just because prince tries to rap does not mean he can rap .. just because prince tries to play rock does not mean he is good at it .. dreamer will never touch voodoo chile or even p's own good songs .. yes hendrix will never to a housequake but prince will never record something as good as voodoo chile .. prince cant play jazz .. his rnb is repetative and boring .. his "jamming" is often awful (just listen to the undertaker) .. saying prince is better because he is more well rounded than other musicians is a garbage comparison ... prince fails at most genres he attempts .. he cant even record his own hits properly .. eg ... NC2U ... he is a good songwriter at times and when surrounded by the right musicians makes great music .. he is not better than tons and tons of other musicians .. and he certainly cant write the style they are all great at .. he tries but its just not very good or worthy of note .. as confirmed by the rest of the world

Yeah, Prince sucks. Good thing you hang out at his fan site everyday.

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With love, The Rest of the World

They Loved it!!! & felt like you do.. they also all happen to be in the music business (producers/musicians) so they are a bit more critical than most..

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Ego101 said:

I couldnt attend the show but all my friends did.. they said it was a bit rough around the edges.. his voice.. the pacing of the show ect.. They all walked away saying he's THE MAN though.

Wow. I'm kind of shocked by that. I needed to sit down by myself afterwards to process what I had just seen. Security had to kick me out.

it's just like time, it's all relative my dear, it's all relative....

skywalker said:

TrevorAyer said:

where is prince Like A Rolling Stone .. Voodoo Chile .. It's A Man's World or even Papa Don't Take No Mess .. or prince River .. this is classic music that never ages .. prince has a couple few songs that hold up to the all time greats .. but they all have just as many as prince if not more ..

Candidates for Prince’s “Like a Rolling Stone”: The Cross, 4 the Tears in Your Eyes, Count the Days, Welcome 2 the Dawn, Gold. - Candidates for Prince’s “It’s a Man’s World”: Nothing Compares 2U, Adore, The One, Dark - Candidate’s for Prince’s “Papa Don’t Take No Mess”: Billy Jack Bitch, Possessed. - Candidates for Prince’s Voodoo Chile: Dreamer, Poor Goo, etc. [Edited 11/14/14 12:56pm]

Dude what the hell are you smoking? Outside of hardcore Prince fans, no one even knows any of these songs aside from NC2U and Adore. Damn you could have at least chosen the obvious Prince classics like Purple Rain,Kiss , or I Wanna Be Your Lover.. Those are the songs the general public knows and will be the only Prince songs that will be heard and played on radio long after Prince is no longer recording music.They may or may not be his best songs, but they are Prince classics. I love everything Prince puts out. but I'm realistic to know that most of it will only be remembered by Prince enthusiasts. He'll forever be a legend, but will have only a handful of classics. The addition of Billy Jack Bitch in your list is comical.

derrick31 said:

skywalker said:

TrevorAyer said: Candidates for Prince’s “Like a Rolling Stone”: The Cross, 4 the Tears in Your Eyes, Count the Days, Welcome 2 the Dawn, Gold. - Candidates for Prince’s “It’s a Man’s World”: Nothing Compares 2U, Adore, The One, Dark - Candidate’s for Prince’s “Papa Don’t Take No Mess”: Billy Jack Bitch, Possessed. - Candidates for Prince’s Voodoo Chile: Dreamer, Poor Goo, etc. [Edited 11/14/14 12:56pm]

Dude what the hell are you smoking? Outside of hardcore Prince fans, no one even knows any of these songs aside from NC2U and Adore. Damn you could have at least chosen the obvious Prince classics like Purple Rain,Kiss , or I Wanna Be Your Lover.. Those are the songs the general public knows and will be the only Prince songs that will be heard and played on radio long after Prince is no longer recording music.They may or may not be his best songs, but they are Prince classics. I love everything Prince puts out. but I'm realistic to know that most of it will only be remembered by Prince enthusiasts. He'll forever be a legend, but will have only a handful of classics. The addition of Billy Jack Bitch in your list is comical.

Again, we were not comparing songs for "popularity" or status as classics. The comparisons were of musical style and tone. Thanks for the opinon though.

rusty1 said:

Frank Zappa!

ethanthomas said:

TrevorAyer said:

prince will never be a respected rapper like say BIG .. just because prince tries to rap does not mean he can rap .. just because prince tries to play rock does not mean he is good at it .. dreamer will never touch voodoo chile or even p's own good songs .. yes hendrix will never to a housequake but prince will never record something as good as voodoo chile .. prince cant play jazz .. his rnb is repetative and boring .. his "jamming" is often awful (just listen to the undertaker) .. saying prince is better because he is more well rounded than other musicians is a garbage comparison ... prince fails at most genres he attempts .. he cant even record his own hits properly .. eg ... NC2U ... he is a good songwriter at times and when surrounded by the right musicians makes great music .. he is not better than tons and tons of other musicians .. and he certainly cant write the style they are all great at .. he tries but its just not very good or worthy of note .. as confirmed by the rest of the world

LoL......with all due respect, i've seen your clips on Youtube, your guitar strumming consists of stuff I learned in highschool guitar class and you seem unable or unwilling to keep your voice in tune. I don't believe you have the requiste bona fides to criticize anyone who actually makes a living as musician or a singer, let alone Prince.

Keep practicing though......

that was from 20 years ago .. here is me destroying Cookie Jar/erotic city better than 3eg could ever dream .. https://trevorayer.bandca...government .. this is a recent rehearsal tape i overdubbed a little .. mostly live .. overdubs in one pass .. bite me

TrevorAyer said:

ethanthomas said:

LoL......with all due respect, i've seen your clips on Youtube, your guitar strumming consists of stuff I learned in highschool guitar class and you seem unable or unwilling to keep your voice in tune. I don't believe you have the requiste bona fides to criticize anyone who actually makes a living as musician or a singer, let alone Prince.

Keep practicing though......

that was from 20 years ago .. here is me destroying Cookie Jar/erotic city better than 3eg could ever dream .. https://trevorayer.bandca...government .. this is a recent rehearsal tape i overdubbed a little .. mostly live .. overdubs in one pass .. bite me

Come on, this is a joke right? You are much better off offering an opinion as a fan, not a criticism as a musician. When you said " here is me destroying Cookie Jar/erotic city" you were not lying.

TrevorAyer said:

no .. I am more claiming that my band would be a better rawk band for prince than 3eg .. cookie jar reloaded vs lets go crazy reloaded

TrevorAyer said:

ethanthomas said:

LoL......with all due respect, i've seen your clips on Youtube, your guitar strumming consists of stuff I learned in highschool guitar class and you seem unable or unwilling to keep your voice in tune. I don't believe you have the requiste bona fides to criticize anyone who actually makes a living as musician or a singer, let alone Prince.

Keep practicing though......

that was from 20 years ago .. here is me destroying Cookie Jar/erotic city better than 3eg could ever dream .. https://trevorayer.bandca...government .. this is a recent rehearsal tape i overdubbed a little .. mostly live .. overdubs in one pass .. bite me

sorry man you sound like those out of tune amateur bands at the free swap shop festivals in my town. Your vocals Yeah you destroyed it alright. those clipssound like teenage garage band rock music.

[Edited 11/16/14 14:09pm]

skywalker said:

TrevorAyer said:

ok now go play your comparisons side by side with each other and laugh at the absurdity .. nothing u listed save sineads cover of Nc2u is even close to the all time classic level of the tunes I suggested .. Like A Rolling Stone is often considered the absolute greatest rock n roll song of all time .. dreamer and poor goo are utter shit next to Voodoo Chile and prince does not bother to play either save for rare occasions .. Voodoo Chile tore the house down every night .. Purple Rain is more Prince Voodoo Chile than junk like dreamer ... and billy jack bitch .. r u serious? compared to classic JB funk .. omg ... still the performance of Its a Mans world far surpasses any performance by prince on record for NC2U. its just raw and real and P is kinda over polished and stale at times in his delivery .. none of the prince songs u listed would be considered the top greatest songs of all time .. yet most all that i listed would ..

Man, we are comparing music styles not "which do you like better/is more of a classic". - Do I think Dreamer is better than Voodoo Chile? No. But the fact is that Prince can easily match the styles of each the songs you mentioned. In fact he sometimes does it in a single album. That's all. Preference is in the eyes/ears of you. - The initial post was asking for artists that can do various styles like Prince. - Prince can do James, Dylan, Jimi. Dylan cannot do the style of "Sexy MF", Jimi couldn't do "If I Was Your Girlfriend" (though that'd be wonderful to hear) and James couldn't do "Raspberry Beret". Get it? - Also, not to be rude, but I am suspecting an age difference between a lot of us on this board. Your tastes seem to gravitate about a decade or two earlier than mind. Which is why, maybe, Prince makes us meet in the middle? - For example: I never would take Stevie's 80's output over Prince's 90's. Never. Maybe that poster just likes Stevie better regardless of age? I dunno. Also, depending on a person's birthday, "Nothing Compares 2 U" is more classic than "It's a Man's World". [Edited 11/14/14 13:45pm]

i've been away Skywalker. You've held it down and brought such clarity. If only people would READ and not merely try to defend their point. The thread isn't about preference or favorites or case by case comparisons of songs that would be in the same genre. Its about skill at diverse styles and genres with some degree of "success". He's done that best IMO, the longest, and more often than the others on these "lists." And I'm sorry but Irresisitible Bitch IS as funky as JB's best, so is Erotic City!

Obama - he got a Nobel peace prize yet bombed away

Ghandi - he showed less anger yet achieved more

Mandela - he reached unimaginable heights after being detained for a long time

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[Edited 11/19/14 6:08am]

Miles Davis
John Coltrane
David Bowie
Stevie Wonder
Bob Dylan
Charles Mingus
Joni Mitchell
Frank Zappa

[Edited 11/19/14 17:44pm]

While I don't think he's the best in any one particular area, I do believe he's the best all-around musical performer, taking into consideration his singing, genre-spanning/blending compositions, songwriting, multi-instrumental abilities, work-ethic, volume of material, reinvention, showmanship, dancing, etc. As far as I'm concerned, Prince is music's greatest treasure.

Kara said:

While I don't think he's the best in any one particular area, I do believe he's the best all-around musical performer, taking into consideration his singing, genre-spanning/blending compositions, songwriting, multi-instrumental abilities, work-ethic, volume of material, reinvention, showmanship, dancing, etc. As far as I'm concerned, Prince is music's greatest treasure.

Can't we weigh in the suboptimalities?

udo said:

Kara said:

While I don't think he's the best in any one particular area, I do believe he's the best all-around musical performer, taking into consideration his singing, genre-spanning/blending compositions, songwriting, multi-instrumental abilities, work-ethic, volume of material, reinvention, showmanship, dancing, etc. As far as I'm concerned, Prince is music's greatest treasure.

Can't we weigh in the suboptimalities?

Consider whatever qualities you want. I'm not stopping you.

Kara said:

udo said:

Can't we weigh in the suboptimalities?

Consider whatever qualities you want. I'm not stopping you.

- Prince's abilities to plan ahead (months, years...)

- Prince's abilities to stay focussed for longer stretches

- Prince's abilities to market himself and his products

- Prince's abilities to extract money from his production in a consistent manner

- Prince's abilities to recognise fan demand for products

Etc.

(aftertought: how did the 2010 Kopenhagen festival come to be? was it is his idea, or from a local promotor? who was in charge?)

Hellz no. The dude is the entire package and then some, nobody can touch Prince. He is the bar that artists aspire to. The scary part is, he prabably has another good 30-40 years ahead of him still.

One of the things that makes him so mystical/magical, is that music is not his job, it is his life.

If you think you are better than Prince, sit down, write a song in 20 minutes, have it on tape and ready to go 20 minutes later, then share it with the rest of us.

[Edited 11/20/14 7:26am]

callimnate said:

leonche64 said:

leonche64 said:

That's my point. We are not talking about semantics. We are talking about different things. Guitar does not automatically equal rock music. It is about the structure, and design of the song. There is a similarity of music that puts it into a genre. I am going to disagree with Let's Go Crazy is a rock song. Nothing about it makes it similar to any rock song of that era. The intro, the main riff, the vocals...all set it out as something else. The song definitely rocks, as an adjective, but not as a noun. As humans, we have a need to group things, so we look for the closest fit. We know what section to buy a Stevie record, Elton John, Bowie, etc. Prince makes Prince records. He is in that box by himself.

Leonche: lol.............u just missed the whole point of Prince's music.

It's different, that is what make's it unique.

Graycap23 said:

leonche64 said:

Leonche: lol.............u just missed the whole point of Prince's music.

It's different, that is what make's it unique.

You missed the point of my post. Find the follow up a few post down.

TrevorAyer said:

Hot 100: Top 100 Artists

1. Prince

2. Earth, Wind & Fire

3. The Beatles

4. James Brown

5. Michael Jackson

6. Chaka Khan

7. Parliamnet/Funkadelic

8. Sly & The Family Stone

9. Elton John

10. Stevie Wonder

10. Marvin Gaye (tie)

IMO...