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Reply #30 posted 09/20/14 10:51am

dazedawhile

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Reply #31 posted 09/20/14 11:46am

CharismaDove

"Batdance was terrible.

I suppose it depends how you define crazy. When I heard FnR it was NOT what I was expecting. Infact it wasn't what anyone was expecting. Since we'd only heard the PE version. Prince - dipping his toes into a drum and bass like sound. Thats a new direction. I'd call it experimental."

Well if you think Batdance was terrible, there's no point arguing about it further. But even if you dislike it, it was something no one else was doing in the late eighties, let alone a huge superstar. It was wacky and totally off the hook. More like a remix B-Side than a hit single. But anyways, FnR may differ from the other AOA tracks but to me still sounds similar, and in a bad way. There was a thread about Prince purposely pushing the 'artificial' sound, and I agree. If you think FnR is experimental and a new direction, that's cool. smile Personally, I think there's really not much of a new direction on the track and it's just another so-so normal song.

"NPS was the last NPG album and the only one with the sterile plastic sound. Exodus certainly wasn't.

Comparing AOA to NPS makes me wonder if you've heard NPS. It was bland, every song was delivered in the same tone. The overall production on AOA (from whats been released) has more in common with TGE or Rave.

You pretty much summed it up in saying "I hate RnB". Which is odd given the majority of his back catalog falls under the RnB umbrella.

He makes a living knowing whats popular. His trouble has always been in the execution. He's always needed a record company (to tell him no) or a producer he can work with. The artists you hear on the radio - Prince goes to their houses.

I honestly don't know what to say to your statement that nothing from AOA sounds contemporary. Do you listen to radio one? I'm not saying Prince hasn't layered on his own twist (call it funk or call it cheese). But if any of these songs actually hit the charts - then they're contemporary. People are buying them - and that hasn't happened since TMBGITW."

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Yeah I've heard NPS several times. I dislike it bu it wasn't exactly delivered in the same tone. I think there's huge differences between Mad Sex and Wasted Kisses lol

Rave isn't exactly a renowned album, commercially or critically or amongst his fans. So AOA being compared to it isn't a compliment.

I don't hate R&B at all, I actually really like it. What I don't like is the simplistic sampled beat with unconvincing crooning layered on top, the type of recent R&B that tries to mix Eurodance with it and "Shit hop" (got that term from Vainandy). I love Anita Baker, Stevie Wonder, and all the eighties and even nineties R&B acts. But the genre has taken a HUGE nosedive in the past few years. First was the inclusion of shit hop, now Eurodance. Correct, it makes no sense to be a Prince fan if you hate R&B. If P made a classic-R&B album (hell, even Musicology), I'd dig it. But to make an album desperately trying to follow and copy the shitty "dance" R&B songs of today, no way. The R&B acts of today are doing their crappy field better than Prince is.

I listen to the radio every day. The hot producers of today know all about what's popular and how to craft a big hit song. Prince's last minor hit was Call My Name in 2004, executed properly; making the Top 30 R&B, Id say it was a hit. Nowadays, he seems to have a very basic and underfed understanding of today's popular music. Which is why his attempts at following the trends sound embarrassing and lesser. Really, would you like these songs if Prince wasn't the singer? He has more talent in his pinky finger than anyone today, but these songs imply the opposite. And hit the charts? Which of these songs have made an impact on any chart lol #120 for 1 week on a chart isn't exactly an impact. His last songs with some sort of impact were circa 2004-2007.

"what's genius about Love or Money? It's an ok song but genius?

Prince doesn't have a great voice (in his lower REGISTER). His falsetto is very good, and he can sing a great range. But to say he can't sing is nonsense. It seems unlikely that he'd do it to mask his voice - he sings live.

Less as an artistic form? based on who's definition of "Artistic" What makes the distorted vocal on Love or Money genius and artistic but the distorted vocal on FnR a way to hide his vocal "infallacies" - (don't think thats actually a word btw) REMEMBER - we're not talking about the lyrics or their content. Just the fact he's played with shunting the pitch of his voice."

My mistake. I was using Love or Money as an example of Camille, but it's not really a genius song; the two other songs I listed (Strange Relationship and If I..Girlfriend) are, though. I have to disagree with you also on "Prince doesn't have a great voice." ?????? Diamonds and Pearls, Damn You, Peach, Purple Rain and I Love You in Me have some amazing deep vocals with great melody. And the same man who penned those can sing in that softer, breathy normal voice (1999, Little Red Corvette, Alphabet Street, Cream) and sing in my favorite falsetto voice of all time (Insatiable, Scandalous, Beautiful Girl in the World). What I meant by 'he can't sing' is that his voice has really suffered in the last few years. And that is true... he sounds like a duck half the time, or as if he has a cold. If you really think Mr. Pretzel Body Logic has a voice just as good as Mr. Beautiful Ones, it's your prerogative.

What I mean by artistic is that on songs like IIYG and more, he was using it as a way to sound totally different than everyone else. It sounded badass. And next to these Camille songs were normal voiced songs that sounded brilliant. In the AOA tracks, P has been overdosing on the chipmunk voice and the songs suffer becausse it's no longer done in a mature way. It sounds like a joke now...

Prince has never been one of the great lyricists. He has a lot of catchy catchphrases. But out of his ENTIRE back catalog there are probably 20 songs with deep or meaningful lyrics. He's RARELY released anything deep or personal to him. (a la the legend of wally)

eek Well if you think he's not a great lyricist... there's not much to say. One of the best things about Prince is his diversity, which shows in his lyrics as well. OldFriends 4 Sale..,Sign of the Times, If I Was Your Girlfriend, hell most of the SOTT album was praised for its songwriting. Prince is able to play several different characters on his lyrics, efficiently. But hey, the effect of a man's lyricism is different on everyone! Totally understandable if P's lyrics don't touch you. His new lyrics don't touch me whatsoever, which was my point. I'll give RNR to him (which was great lyrically) but everything else has been rather poor and overtly simplistic.

Well... it depends where you're coming from if you like them cool.

Purple conspiracies aside - In terms of contemporary music - he hasn't. The majority of his work since 1995 has been widely ignored. There has been some chart success but due to Prince being crafty. Not because people were actually buying his songs.

Yep, and he 90% most likely never will release anything that'll get attention as much as pre-1996. He was good at making commercial records and getting them to high positions in the 2000s, but now he seems fixated on having a hit, moreso than I've seen earlier in his career (not talking about the 80s-90s here).

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Reply #32 posted 09/20/14 12:35pm

1725topp

SchlomoThaHomo said:

1725topp said:

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But, you've also got to admit that when Prince has been more serious his own fans (Prince.org folks) called him a racist and a religious nut. So, it seems that no matter what Prince does there are some folks that have Prince defined and locked in some 80s box that I'm not really sure existed anyway. Additionally, "RocknRoll Love Affair" has a nice narrative about looking beyond the surface to find a deeper meaning of life, and a lot of Org folks crapped on it. Even "Fixurlifeup" is about something more than just partying, though the lyrical execution is a bit clumsy. So, if Prince sings about partying, he's a pathetic old man trying to stay young. If Prince sings about religion, he's a hypocritical nut case. If Prince sings about racism, he's a racist. It seems that whether he's shallow or deep, the waters are never quite right for many of his "fans".

I'll take a 100 songs with lyrics like RnR Love Affair over even one more with lyrics like Screwdriver. I actually liked the RnR lyrics a lot. I felt like I knew him a little better after hearing them, even if I couldn't 100% relate to them. It's nice to just hear him communicating something that sounds honest.

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I agree whole-heartedly regarding "RnR Love Affair," and I am quite disappointed that it did not make either album. However, "Screwdriver" is just fun, especially live. I love almost every performance of "Screwdriver" during the LOL Tour. Also, "Screwdriver" is a funny way of saying "we fit well together and let's enjoy the nice fit," and it is also ambiguous enough to have other meanings, which is a great Prince trait. But, I think that Prince has always been that dichotomy of "RnR Love Affair" and "Screwdriver" as in "Controversy"/"Sexuality" and "Jack U Off". He can be amazingly profound and amazingly silly. "My dick and bubble gum is all you get, " really? How long did it take him to come up with that line, and that was during the Eighties? Now, I'll add that I just wish there was a bit more wild guitar on both new albums, but can we really blame Prince from recoiling or lessening his lyrical depth when his "fans" have spent the past ten years bashing him as a religious nut and a racist? And, to be clear, I'm not saying that people must act like they like things that they don't like, but it just seems that Prince is criticized for one thing and then criticized for doing the exact opposite. And, I guess, for me, I give most artists/people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to honesty/authenticity, or I'm not so quick to question whether an artistic expression is honest/authentic, and I'm not saying that you are. But, I remember when Lotusflow3er/MPLS was released and someone stated that Prince was trying to act too hip and too black with "Old Skool Company," especially by using the phrase "right on," and all I could think was, "He's a fifty year old black man; that's who says right on." And, of course, that's a tangent, a bit, but Prince has been so diverse in his sounds and subject matter that rarely do I hear things that sound forced or inauthentic, but, again, I probably do give more leeway or latitude than others.

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Reply #33 posted 09/20/14 12:53pm

novabrkr

I don't want to sound too negative, and I don't want to get a warning from the mods due to resorting to such strong language, but Josh can fuck off with that EDM shit of his.

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Reply #34 posted 09/20/14 1:05pm

Noodled24

novabrkr said:

I don't want to sound too negative, and I don't want to get a warning from the mods due to resorting to such strong language, but Josh can fuck off with that EDM shit of his.

There are definitely echos of "Get Loose" in FnR

Loose!, Get Loose, Ryde Divine, Beautiful, Children of the Sun, Good Life Dancin Divas, Another version of P Control, Gangster Glam, Fantasia Erotica - I think there were some quite heavy mixes of MNIP too. That's without counting all the 90's "house mixes. It's not like he hasn't toyed with EDM previously. There are definitely echos of "Get Loose" in FnR

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Reply #35 posted 09/20/14 1:11pm

novabrkr

Yeah, you're right. There are definitely echoes of "Get Loose" there. Not necessarily "Loose", but definitely "Get Loose", and that's not really a good thing.

Since this thread was supposedly about the negative feelings we orgers might have I was just expressing how I really feel about Josh's involvement in Prince's music. lol

Whatever the guy's added to his stuff just sounds so clumsy to me. I have hard time believing Prince is sacrificing some of his best tracks from the last couple of years just to, I don't know, have a friend of his around. It's not like he couldn't have afforded a professional EDM producer do the same type of a thing, but make the added parts actually fit his compositions.

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Reply #36 posted 09/20/14 3:35pm

Noodled24

novabrkr said:

Yeah, you're right. There are definitely echoes of "Get Loose" there. Not necessarily "Loose", but definitely "Get Loose", and that's not really a good thing.

Since this thread was supposedly about the negative feelings we orgers might have I was just expressing how I really feel about Josh's involvement in Prince's music. lol

Whatever the guy's added to his stuff just sounds so clumsy to me. I have hard time believing Prince is sacrificing some of his best tracks from the last couple of years just to, I don't know, have a friend of his around. It's not like he couldn't have afforded a professional EDM producer do the same type of a thing, but make the added parts actually fit his compositions.

I quite like Get Loose but each to their own. It's not a great track but I always thought it was interesting and would have liked him to do more with it at the time.

If Prince worked with a big name producer people would know everything wasn't "Produced, Arranged, Written, Performed and Composed by Prince". Other than the Drum&Bass elements on FnR which I think is new for Prince. I'd say the rest of that song has more in common with Prince's previous forrays into Dance music. There are signiture chord stabs and riffs that have Prince written all over them. I'm not sure Josh is behind the electronic sound... So much as Prince see's a big market.

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Reply #37 posted 09/20/14 3:52pm

brookinz

n1cholas90 said:

I've been reading this forum for years since I was a kid, and I really respect the views of all who post here, and I've learned a lot from being here.

But, a lot of the stuff you guys have been posting about these 2 new albums just seems somewhat trite. Yes, it's easy to bash Prince's latter work - but come on, can you REALLY give us an example of a heritage act (because let's be honest, Prince is a heritage act... along with McArtney, Springsteen, Weller, Dylan... etc.) that's put out a record since their "hey day" that really matches up to their prior greatness?

Out of all the tracks we've heard so far from AOA & PE, the majority of tracks are solid. Clouds is MASSIVE. I'm a 24 year old guy who DJ's a lot of underground dance music nights around London and I've been dropping Clouds ever since it was released and it's had people moving every time. I cannot wait to do the same with FUNKNROLL.

Besides anything, these tracks sound like Prince is having FUN. These tracks do not sound like P is taking himself too seriously. Surely we should welcome this? If we hark back to Dirty Mind or1999 - is P really taking this stone cold soberly seriously? Prince has always been a joker, these new tracks represent that, and they sound awesome.

Embrace it.

Well Said!

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Reply #38 posted 09/20/14 11:21pm

thedance

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Batdance music
was fun and funky, great dialogue, great beat and guitar..


FunkNRoll barf
..... irritating woodpecker sound, yeah just irritating and awful..

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Reply #39 posted 09/21/14 12:26am

Aerogram

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CharismaDove said:

Noodled24 said:

Euro-Dance - He's been playing with that since Batdance and getting it horribly wrong each time. Now he seems to have embraced it.

Plastic RnB - but this is something else he's been doing since forever. Only now he's stepped it up and it actually sounds contemporary. Like he has a grasp on what people are listening to these days.

Chipmunk vocals - again - he's been fucking with the pitch shift since before Sign'O'The times. It ruins "breakfast can wait" but will that voice be on the album version?

Sound effects - is exactly how "Kiss" came to be. (and why it never worked live because "nobody can play it the way it sounds on the record").

To each their own, but these two albums are shaping up to be better than anything he's done since the mid 90's.

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Batdance was much more imaginative, experimental, and just downright fucking crazy than anything else out there. He's played with Eurodance in the past, but he's done it more decently than FallinLove2N, which sounds like it could be performed by anyone. The new songs lack the craziness of his past forrays into 'mainstream' music. Hell, Sexy MF bites off of old school funk but done in a very Princely way.

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Plastic RnB I'll admit he's done a lot in the past and sometimes poorly. The late-90s we had NPS and NPG albums heavy with that R&B sound, and they sucked. NPS was horrible... which is why it seems almost like he's making Newpower Soul 2014 version. and Prince isn't sounding contemporary... I hate R&B but whatever's playing on the radio, listened to without my purple-tinted shades, is miles better than the crap he's doing. He knows NOTHING about what's popular. Maybe an inkling, which he's using to throw together an album he thinks will be hip and relevant. Yeah, all those R&B singers suck... but they know how to make a contemporary 2014 mainstream record, and Prince doesn't.

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Camille's been around since 1986, but always used in a better way. On songs like If I Was Your Girlfriend, Strange Relationship, Love Or Money... they sounded genius and lifted the songs to an interesting level, and made the albums feel more diverse/superior as a result. Camille was an artistic and crazy decision. Whatever he's doing now, is more Chipmunk-y and extremely pointless. His voice has become poorer nowadays, and trust me when I say a lot of people think Prince can't sing, which is why he speeds it up. On SOTT Live, Livesexy, he performed and showed he had the chops. Next to a manipulated If I Was Your Girlfriend was a steamy Adore which showed he still had the voice. Now, he's using it less as an artistic form and moer as a way to hide his many vocal infallacies.

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I know several P records suffer from some overproduction. But it's usually excusable because they're good in every other way, lyrically, vocally, instrumentally. But these songs are terrible every way, so they'll naturally be more criticized for their sound effects than a classic like Lovesexy titletrack.

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As for your last sentence, I vehemently disagree as I feel he's released several good music since. But you're right. To each his own smile

btw i may give off the vibe I hate Prince or whatever, but it couldn't be further from the truth. I just need to keep it real.

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What is that nonsense about "masking his many vocal infallacies"? He has performed live some of his most difficult songs masterfully within the last five years, his vocals on The Breakdown are flawless and he has recorded an album that is deliberately artificial, hence the sonic jigging. He wants you to know he manipulated his own voice -- not exactly masking. Besides you'll have other songs on PLEL and possibly AOA to see if your hypothesis holds any water.

I'm afraid you're quite the traditionalist despite being a teenager. It's ok, I once was a classical music obsessed teen who knew nothing about the music other teens listen to, and it sounds like you already spent many years listening to his back catalog. You're getting a record with a sound you didn't expect just like I did when Purple Rain came out -- I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks.

Maybe AOA and PLEL will be terrible as a whole, not sure yet but around me I've seen people warming up to the songs after a few spins. Clouds takes two or three good spins to feel orderly, at first it feels disjointed and so does Funknroll. In my experience, Prince songs that are immediately "catchy" often tend to get old the fastest -- for instance "Chocolate Box" on Minneapolis Sound, that gets so annoying after a while.

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Reply #40 posted 09/21/14 1:17am

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I dislike the idea that hating the new material means a person is being negative.


I mean, it's akin to saying that the media had a liberal slant why reporting that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The truth hurts sometimes.

มีเพียงความว่างเปล่า rose 只有空虚 rose Dim ond gwacter rose 만 공허함이있다 rose 唯一の虚しさがあります wilted There is only the void.
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Reply #41 posted 09/21/14 1:53am

mattosgood

CharismaDove said:

I don't think most people do it simply to be malicious


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It's because the AOA/PE tracks generally are very, very, very poor. I thought Breakfast Can Wait, FallinLoveTonight, and Clouds were bad. Now I've heard U Know + Funk N Roll and have lost any excitement I may have had for this project. 20ten isn't a fan favorite... but those songs easily piss on these. P's trying to incorporate euro-dance, plastic R&B, chipmunk vocals, sound effects, and a bunch of useless shit in slightly if even entertaining musical rhythms.


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If someone seems "too harsh", it's probably because they're die-hards and are disappointed just how horrible these albums are shaping up to be...



Can I suggest you get your ears syringed in time for the 30th, so you can listen to the albums in their entirety
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Reply #42 posted 09/21/14 1:55am

mattosgood

dopedog said:

Personally i think all the songs released so far are the best things ive heard by Prince in a LONG time, and are FAR better than anything thats on 20ten, i despise that album. Might be in the minority, dont really care, different strokes and all that. Im looking forward to these albums big time, which i havnt felt for a Prince record for a long time.



Agreed. Though the tracks from AOA are sounding better than those from PE thus far

Last set of good tracks were from 2009, mainly on LF and a few on MPLS, so excited
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Reply #43 posted 09/21/14 9:10am

CharismaDove

thedance said:

Batdance music
was fun and funky, great dialogue, great beat and guitar..


FunkNRoll barf
..... irritating woodpecker sound, yeah just irritating and awful..

EXACTLY. But watch out. Now people will think you're romanticizing the 80s too much lol

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Reply #44 posted 09/21/14 9:24am

CharismaDove

Aerogram said:

CharismaDove said:

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Batdance was much more imaginative, experimental, and just downright fucking crazy than anything else out there. He's played with Eurodance in the past, but he's done it more decently than FallinLove2N, which sounds like it could be performed by anyone. The new songs lack the craziness of his past forrays into 'mainstream' music. Hell, Sexy MF bites off of old school funk but done in a very Princely way.

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Plastic RnB I'll admit he's done a lot in the past and sometimes poorly. The late-90s we had NPS and NPG albums heavy with that R&B sound, and they sucked. NPS was horrible... which is why it seems almost like he's making Newpower Soul 2014 version. and Prince isn't sounding contemporary... I hate R&B but whatever's playing on the radio, listened to without my purple-tinted shades, is miles better than the crap he's doing. He knows NOTHING about what's popular. Maybe an inkling, which he's using to throw together an album he thinks will be hip and relevant. Yeah, all those R&B singers suck... but they know how to make a contemporary 2014 mainstream record, and Prince doesn't.

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Camille's been around since 1986, but always used in a better way. On songs like If I Was Your Girlfriend, Strange Relationship, Love Or Money... they sounded genius and lifted the songs to an interesting level, and made the albums feel more diverse/superior as a result. Camille was an artistic and crazy decision. Whatever he's doing now, is more Chipmunk-y and extremely pointless. His voice has become poorer nowadays, and trust me when I say a lot of people think Prince can't sing, which is why he speeds it up. On SOTT Live, Livesexy, he performed and showed he had the chops. Next to a manipulated If I Was Your Girlfriend was a steamy Adore which showed he still had the voice. Now, he's using it less as an artistic form and moer as a way to hide his many vocal infallacies.

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I know several P records suffer from some overproduction. But it's usually excusable because they're good in every other way, lyrically, vocally, instrumentally. But these songs are terrible every way, so they'll naturally be more criticized for their sound effects than a classic like Lovesexy titletrack.

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As for your last sentence, I vehemently disagree as I feel he's released several good music since. But you're right. To each his own smile

btw i may give off the vibe I hate Prince or whatever, but it couldn't be further from the truth. I just need to keep it real.

[Edited 9/20/14 9:39am]

What is that nonsense about "masking his many vocal infallacies"? He has performed live some of his most difficult songs masterfully within the last five years, his vocals on The Breakdown are flawless and he has recorded an album that is deliberately artificial, hence the sonic jigging. He wants you to know he manipulated his own voice -- not exactly masking. Besides you'll have other songs on PLEL and possibly AOA to see if your hypothesis holds any water.

I'm afraid you're quite the traditionalist despite being a teenager. It's ok, I once was a classical music obsessed teen who knew nothing about the music other teens listen to, and it sounds like you already spent many years listening to his back catalog. You're getting a record with a sound you didn't expect just like I did when Purple Rain came out -- I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks.

Maybe AOA and PLEL will be terrible as a whole, not sure yet but around me I've seen people warming up to the songs after a few spins. Clouds takes two or three good spins to feel orderly, at first it feels disjointed and so does Funknroll. In my experience, Prince songs that are immediately "catchy" often tend to get old the fastest -- for instance "Chocolate Box" on Minneapolis Sound, that gets so annoying after a while.

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My opinion is that his voice doesn't sound as good anymore. I haven't seen many "masterful" performances in the past few years, but I'll take your word for it.... He's still a showsman though, and I personally think his guitar solos have only gotten better since the 80s. Vocally? I think he's gotten weaker. On songs he's using his regular voice (Breakfast Can Wait, PretzelbodyLogic), they sound really breathy and "quacky" (like a duck). Some people have distinct voices, but this isn't distinct in a good way. If you disagree, cool. Love P's voice all you want, but not everyone will love his voice the same way they dug his voice from when he was 20 and on top of the world. Michael Jackson's voice also changed, in the later 90s-ish, and I dug it. I don't dig P's change.

If he's purposely manipulating his voice though and purposely acting artificial, then why do so many orgers dig it? I thought y'all criticize countless pop acts of today for being fake, and now when P is trying his best to sound fake on top of fake music, it's coo? wink

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traditionalist? You must have missed over the countless times I stated how much I loved his 90s work, and my love for Rainbow Children and ONA, as well as appreciation of 3121, PE, Lotus, etc... Those are some of P's later works, so I don't get why you're under an impression that I love just his old work and nothing else, thus making me a traditionalist. And FYI, I do know what music other teens listen to because I listen to it myself lol yeah, there's a world outside of Prince for me. Whether it be R&B, rock, pop, Ariana Grande, etc... I know all about radio songs.

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"I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks."

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Fair enough. I was the same way, in the beginning unable to understand some of his masterpiece albums. Maybe AOA will be the same way... but there was a difference back then and now. Back then, the songs I wasn't able to get into because they were weird and artsy (like paisley Park, Condition of the Heart), and this is exactly why they became my favorites later on when my mind opened. With AOA, it's not about them being 'weird'. It's about them totally sucking. I've already stated above how much I like his later 2000s work, so it's not about being an 80's lover. It's about these current songs SUCKING. Maybe I will get the vibe later on, true. But I highly doubt it. After all, I never hated ATWIAD, Parade, or TRC (three albums it took me a while to 'get'). AOA, I do dislike already (he's leaked so much out).

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That's cool, if you think Clouds and Funknroll are good songs and people are warming up to them. It's just my opinoin they're not good songs and that he's borrowing too heavily from today's trends in a shaky way. I maintain the belief these songs would be ridiculed had Trey Songz for example released them. But if you do like 'em, that's cool cool

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Reply #45 posted 09/21/14 9:29am

CharismaDove

Blixical said:

I dislike the idea that hating the new material means a person is being negative.


I mean, it's akin to saying that the media had a liberal slant why reporting that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The truth hurts sometimes.

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agreed. Prince is a diverse artist who's done everything from Elvis typa songs (Delirious), Billy Joel (Morning Papers), Richard Marx (Love You in Me), etc... it's understandable that people will dislike/hate some of the material he puts out unless you're unbelievably open-minded and loving towards all type of music.

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It's more of a criticism, I think, of how people who are enjoying this era and the new music are getting annoyed seeing negative input too because it spoils the mood, maybe.

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Reply #46 posted 09/21/14 10:20am

luvsexy4all

why do u think he covered anotherlove oh PE? u figure it out

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Reply #47 posted 09/21/14 12:21pm

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I really cannot imagine Elvis singing Delirious any more than I can imagine Biily Joel singing The Morning Papers (surely Billy would have come up with a better chorus than Sha-na-na-na-na) Sing us a song, U're the piano man! But all I hear nowadays is the studio gadget man!
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Reply #48 posted 09/21/14 12:35pm

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CharismaDove said:



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Batdance was much more imaginative, experimental, and just downright fucking crazy than anything else out there. He's played with Eurodance in the past, but he's done it more decently than FallinLove2N, which sounds like it could be performed by anyone. The new songs lack the craziness of his past forrays into 'mainstream' music. Hell, Sexy MF bites off of old school funk but done in a very Princely way.


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Plastic RnB I'll admit he's done a lot in the past and sometimes poorly. The late-90s we had NPS and NPG albums heavy with that R&B sound, and they sucked. NPS was horrible... which is why it seems almost like he's making Newpower Soul 2014 version. and Prince isn't sounding contemporary... I hate R&B but whatever's playing on the radio, listened to without my purple-tinted shades, is miles better than the crap he's doing. He knows NOTHING about what's popular. Maybe an inkling, which he's using to throw together an album he thinks will be hip and relevant. Yeah, all those R&B singers suck... but they know how to make a contemporary 2014 mainstream record, and Prince doesn't.


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Camille's been around since 1986, but always used in a better way. On songs like If I Was Your Girlfriend, Strange Relationship, Love Or Money... they sounded genius and lifted the songs to an interesting level, and made the albums feel more diverse/superior as a result. Camille was an artistic and crazy decision. Whatever he's doing now, is more Chipmunk-y and extremely pointless. His voice has become poorer nowadays, and trust me when I say a lot of people think Prince can't sing, which is why he speeds it up. On SOTT Live, Livesexy, he performed and showed he had the chops. Next to a manipulated If I Was Your Girlfriend was a steamy Adore which showed he still had the voice. Now, he's using it less as an artistic form and moer as a way to hide his many vocal infallacies.


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I know several P records suffer from some overproduction. But it's usually excusable because they're good in every other way, lyrically, vocally, instrumentally. But these songs are terrible every way, so they'll naturally be more criticized for their sound effects than a classic like Lovesexy titletrack.


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As for your last sentence, I vehemently disagree as I feel he's released several good music since. But you're right. To each his own smile



btw i may give off the vibe I hate Prince or whatever, but it couldn't be further from the truth. I just need to keep it real.


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What is that nonsense about "masking his many vocal infallacies"? He has performed live some of his most difficult songs masterfully within the last five years, his vocals on The Breakdown are flawless and he has recorded an album that is deliberately artificial, hence the sonic jigging. He wants you to know he manipulated his own voice -- not exactly masking. Besides you'll have other songs on PLEL and possibly AOA to see if your hypothesis holds any water.



I'm afraid you're quite the traditionalist despite being a teenager. It's ok, I once was a classical music obsessed teen who knew nothing about the music other teens listen to, and it sounds like you already spent many years listening to his back catalog. You're getting a record with a sound you didn't expect just like I did when Purple Rain came out -- I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks.



Maybe AOA and PLEL will be terrible as a whole, not sure yet but around me I've seen people warming up to the songs after a few spins. Clouds takes two or three good spins to feel orderly, at first it feels disjointed and so does Funknroll. In my experience, Prince songs that are immediately "catchy" often tend to get old the fastest -- for instance "Chocolate Box" on Minneapolis Sound, that gets so annoying after a while.




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My opinion is that his voice doesn't sound as good anymore. I haven't seen many "masterful" performances in the past few years, but I'll take your word for it.... He's still a showsman though, and I personally think his guitar solos have only gotten better since the 80s. Vocally? I think he's gotten weaker. On songs he's using his regular voice (Breakfast Can Wait, PretzelbodyLogic), they sound really breathy and "quacky" (like a duck). Some people have distinct voices, but this isn't distinct in a good way. If you disagree, cool. Love P's voice all you want, but not everyone will love his voice the same way they dug his voice from when he was 20 and on top of the world. Michael Jackson's voice also changed, in the later 90s-ish, and I dug it. I don't dig P's change.


If he's purposely manipulating his voice though and purposely acting artificial, then why do so many orgers dig it? I thought y'all criticize countless pop acts of today for being fake, and now when P is trying his best to sound fake on top of fake music, it's coo? wink


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traditionalist? You must have missed over the countless times I stated how much I loved his 90s work, and my love for Rainbow Children and ONA, as well as appreciation of 3121, PE, Lotus, etc... Those are some of P's later works, so I don't get why you're under an impression that I love just his old work and nothing else, thus making me a traditionalist. And FYI, I do know what music other teens listen to because I listen to it myself lol yeah, there's a world outside of Prince for me. Whether it be R&B, rock, pop, Ariana Grande, etc... I know all about radio songs.


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"I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks."


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Fair enough. I was the same way, in the beginning unable to understand some of his masterpiece albums. Maybe AOA will be the same way... but there was a difference back then and now. Back then, the songs I wasn't able to get into because they were weird and artsy (like paisley Park, Condition of the Heart), and this is exactly why they became my favorites later on when my mind opened. With AOA, it's not about them being 'weird'. It's about them totally sucking. I've already stated above how much I like his later 2000s work, so it's not about being an 80's lover. It's about these current songs SUCKING. Maybe I will get the vibe later on, true. But I highly doubt it. After all, I never hated ATWIAD, Parade, or TRC (three albums it took me a while to 'get'). AOA, I do dislike already (he's leaked so much out).


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That's cool, if you think Clouds and Funknroll are good songs and people are warming up to them. It's just my opinoin they're not good songs and that he's borrowing too heavily from today's trends in a shaky way. I maintain the belief these songs would be ridiculed had Trey Songz for example released them. But if you do like 'em, that's cool cool






Prince had different ways of singing since the beginning, that's even true for his harmonies where he'll assume a different tone for some parts, so that it sounds a bit like several singers. But if you think he sounds like a duck in BCW, hey that's cool...

As for you liking the nineties stuff, that is tradition by now -- it was last century. Overall, this period was actually more conventional, at least Emancipation, NPS and Rave either owe a lot to a tradition, the then current state of RnB or his own back catalog.

Here I think we have Prince in 1999 mode. That album was his first Art Official record because it uses synths and the linn drums so much to create a mechanical or or computer inspired sound, such as in Something in the water. Of course, the cold tools are infused with the warmth of his vocals and his playing -- not too unlike what he seems to be trying to achieve here.
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Reply #49 posted 09/21/14 2:47pm

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Negativity is par for the course around here. If Sign O the Times was a new album, there would be people criticizing it too.

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Reply #50 posted 09/21/14 3:32pm

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These girls have a great image and they've been around for EVER now - why haven't we seen them more. I think they've been underused and I'm afraid they'll be thrown under the bus when Prince is unhappy with how his latest project is received.

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Reply #51 posted 09/21/14 10:01pm

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I get what you're saying, and I also appreciate most of the new stuff. I like that Prince sounds like he's having fun, but considering his age, I also want to hear about life from the perspective of someone who has been around longer than me and has seen more things.


He's at an age where he could offer that kind of perspective but he chooses not to, preferring to galavant with with kids half his age, talking about funking and rolling and screwdrivers and party toes.


There's a fine line between trying to stay young at heart and looking desperate to stay young. I would like to see someone as smart as him not dumb himself down, and dare to go a little deeper.

Log on to this site and listen to the old fogies bitch and moan about the good ol' days and how they have to pay their mortgages and college tuitions before they can afford to buy a Prince CD. You can practically smell the decay every time a remasters thread pops up on here!

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When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #52 posted 09/21/14 10:12pm

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NouveauDance said:

dazedawhile said:

These girls have a great image and they've been around for EVER now - why haven't we seen them more. I think they've been underused and I'm afraid they'll be thrown under the bus when Prince is unhappy with how his latest project is received.

I hear Carmen Electra needs a roomate? doh! Too soon? giggle I kid. These ladies are far more musically talented than her.

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
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Reply #53 posted 09/21/14 10:28pm

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I see so much on here about what everyone wants Prince to do. I have my taste when it comes to his releases, and I find myself liking more of what he used to do. I still buy everything and I always find something I like.

I guess what I find myself doing is rooting for him to do well. I want him to be successful. He can release whatever he wants, I just wish he would be heard and have some success with what he puts out. If I like it too, bonus! I haven't liked every single song that he's had success with, so no big deal. I hope funk n roll is a huge "hit." I hope "U Know" is too. Who the hell am I to say they won't be?

Just rooting for the guy...

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Reply #54 posted 09/21/14 11:04pm

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I dislike the idea that hating the new material means a person is being negative.


I mean, it's akin to saying that the media had a liberal slant why reporting that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The truth hurts sometimes.




This is the attitude that annoys me most. Just because you don't like the music doesn't mean those who enjoy it are deluded.
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