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"Batdance was terrible. I suppose it depends how you define crazy. When I heard FnR it was NOT what I was expecting. Infact it wasn't what anyone was expecting. Since we'd only heard the PE version. Prince - dipping his toes into a drum and bass like sound. Thats a new direction. I'd call it experimental."
Well if you think Batdance was terrible, there's no point arguing about it further. But even if you dislike it, it was something no one else was doing in the late eighties, let alone a huge superstar. It was wacky and totally off the hook. More like a remix B-Side than a hit single. But anyways, FnR may differ from the other AOA tracks but to me still sounds similar, and in a bad way. There was a thread about Prince purposely pushing the 'artificial' sound, and I agree. If you think FnR is experimental and a new direction, that's cool. Personally, I think there's really not much of a new direction on the track and it's just another so-so normal song.
"NPS was the last NPG album and the only one with the sterile plastic sound. Exodus certainly wasn't. Comparing AOA to NPS makes me wonder if you've heard NPS. It was bland, every song was delivered in the same tone. The overall production on AOA (from whats been released) has more in common with TGE or Rave. You pretty much summed it up in saying "I hate RnB". Which is odd given the majority of his back catalog falls under the RnB umbrella. He makes a living knowing whats popular. His trouble has always been in the execution. He's always needed a record company (to tell him no) or a producer he can work with. The artists you hear on the radio - Prince goes to their houses. I honestly don't know what to say to your statement that nothing from AOA sounds contemporary. Do you listen to radio one? I'm not saying Prince hasn't layered on his own twist (call it funk or call it cheese). But if any of these songs actually hit the charts - then they're contemporary. People are buying them - and that hasn't happened since TMBGITW." . Yeah I've heard NPS several times. I dislike it bu it wasn't exactly delivered in the same tone. I think there's huge differences between Mad Sex and Wasted Kisses Rave isn't exactly a renowned album, commercially or critically or amongst his fans. So AOA being compared to it isn't a compliment. I don't hate R&B at all, I actually really like it. What I don't like is the simplistic sampled beat with unconvincing crooning layered on top, the type of recent R&B that tries to mix Eurodance with it and "Shit hop" (got that term from Vainandy). I love Anita Baker, Stevie Wonder, and all the eighties and even nineties R&B acts. But the genre has taken a HUGE nosedive in the past few years. First was the inclusion of shit hop, now Eurodance. Correct, it makes no sense to be a Prince fan if you hate R&B. If P made a classic-R&B album (hell, even Musicology), I'd dig it. But to make an album desperately trying to follow and copy the shitty "dance" R&B songs of today, no way. The R&B acts of today are doing their crappy field better than Prince is.
I listen to the radio every day. The hot producers of today know all about what's popular and how to craft a big hit song. Prince's last minor hit was Call My Name in 2004, executed properly; making the Top 30 R&B, Id say it was a hit. Nowadays, he seems to have a very basic and underfed understanding of today's popular music. Which is why his attempts at following the trends sound embarrassing and lesser. Really, would you like these songs if Prince wasn't the singer? He has more talent in his pinky finger than anyone today, but these songs imply the opposite. And hit the charts? Which of these songs have made an impact on any chart #120 for 1 week on a chart isn't exactly an impact. His last songs with some sort of impact were circa 2004-2007.
"what's genius about Love or Money? It's an ok song but genius? Prince doesn't have a great voice (in his lower REGISTER). His falsetto is very good, and he can sing a great range. But to say he can't sing is nonsense. It seems unlikely that he'd do it to mask his voice - he sings live. Less as an artistic form? based on who's definition of "Artistic" What makes the distorted vocal on Love or Money genius and artistic but the distorted vocal on FnR a way to hide his vocal "infallacies" - (don't think thats actually a word btw) REMEMBER - we're not talking about the lyrics or their content. Just the fact he's played with shunting the pitch of his voice."
My mistake. I was using Love or Money as an example of Camille, but it's not really a genius song; the two other songs I listed (Strange Relationship and If I..Girlfriend) are, though. I have to disagree with you also on "Prince doesn't have a great voice." ?????? Diamonds and Pearls, Damn You, Peach, Purple Rain and I Love You in Me have some amazing deep vocals with great melody. And the same man who penned those can sing in that softer, breathy normal voice (1999, Little Red Corvette, Alphabet Street, Cream) and sing in my favorite falsetto voice of all time (Insatiable, Scandalous, Beautiful Girl in the World). What I meant by 'he can't sing' is that his voice has really suffered in the last few years. And that is true... he sounds like a duck half the time, or as if he has a cold. If you really think Mr. Pretzel Body Logic has a voice just as good as Mr. Beautiful Ones, it's your prerogative. What I mean by artistic is that on songs like IIYG and more, he was using it as a way to sound totally different than everyone else. It sounded badass. And next to these Camille songs were normal voiced songs that sounded brilliant. In the AOA tracks, P has been overdosing on the chipmunk voice and the songs suffer becausse it's no longer done in a mature way. It sounds like a joke now...
Prince has never been one of the great lyricists. He has a lot of catchy catchphrases. But out of his ENTIRE back catalog there are probably 20 songs with deep or meaningful lyrics. He's RARELY released anything deep or personal to him. (a la the legend of wally)
Well if you think he's not a great lyricist... there's not much to say. One of the best things about Prince is his diversity, which shows in his lyrics as well. OldFriends 4 Sale..,Sign of the Times, If I Was Your Girlfriend, hell most of the SOTT album was praised for its songwriting. Prince is able to play several different characters on his lyrics, efficiently. But hey, the effect of a man's lyricism is different on everyone! Totally understandable if P's lyrics don't touch you. His new lyrics don't touch me whatsoever, which was my point. I'll give RNR to him (which was great lyrically) but everything else has been rather poor and overtly simplistic.
Well... it depends where you're coming from if you like them cool. Purple conspiracies aside - In terms of contemporary music - he hasn't. The majority of his work since 1995 has been widely ignored. There has been some chart success but due to Prince being crafty. Not because people were actually buying his songs.
Yep, and he 90% most likely never will release anything that'll get attention as much as pre-1996. He was good at making commercial records and getting them to high positions in the 2000s, but now he seems fixated on having a hit, moreso than I've seen earlier in his career (not talking about the 80s-90s here).
BTW sorry about the weird formatting. It kept changing sizes and I pretty much am a noob at this
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* I agree whole-heartedly regarding "RnR Love Affair," and I am quite disappointed that it did not make either album. However, "Screwdriver" is just fun, especially live. I love almost every performance of "Screwdriver" during the LOL Tour. Also, "Screwdriver" is a funny way of saying "we fit well together and let's enjoy the nice fit," and it is also ambiguous enough to have other meanings, which is a great Prince trait. But, I think that Prince has always been that dichotomy of "RnR Love Affair" and "Screwdriver" as in "Controversy"/"Sexuality" and "Jack U Off". He can be amazingly profound and amazingly silly. "My dick and bubble gum is all you get, " really? How long did it take him to come up with that line, and that was during the Eighties? Now, I'll add that I just wish there was a bit more wild guitar on both new albums, but can we really blame Prince from recoiling or lessening his lyrical depth when his "fans" have spent the past ten years bashing him as a religious nut and a racist? And, to be clear, I'm not saying that people must act like they like things that they don't like, but it just seems that Prince is criticized for one thing and then criticized for doing the exact opposite. And, I guess, for me, I give most artists/people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to honesty/authenticity, or I'm not so quick to question whether an artistic expression is honest/authentic, and I'm not saying that you are. But, I remember when Lotusflow3er/MPLS was released and someone stated that Prince was trying to act too hip and too black with "Old Skool Company," especially by using the phrase "right on," and all I could think was, "He's a fifty year old black man; that's who says right on." And, of course, that's a tangent, a bit, but Prince has been so diverse in his sounds and subject matter that rarely do I hear things that sound forced or inauthentic, but, again, I probably do give more leeway or latitude than others. | |
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I don't want to sound too negative, and I don't want to get a warning from the mods due to resorting to such strong language, but Josh can fuck off with that EDM shit of his. | |
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There are definitely echos of "Get Loose" in FnR
Loose!, Get Loose, Ryde Divine, Beautiful, Children of the Sun, Good Life Dancin Divas, Another version of P Control, Gangster Glam, Fantasia Erotica - I think there were some quite heavy mixes of MNIP too. That's without counting all the 90's "house mixes. It's not like he hasn't toyed with EDM previously. There are definitely echos of "Get Loose" in FnR | |
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Yeah, you're right. There are definitely echoes of "Get Loose" there. Not necessarily "Loose", but definitely "Get Loose", and that's not really a good thing. | |
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I quite like Get Loose but each to their own. It's not a great track but I always thought it was interesting and would have liked him to do more with it at the time.
If Prince worked with a big name producer people would know everything wasn't "Produced, Arranged, Written, Performed and Composed by Prince". Other than the Drum&Bass elements on FnR which I think is new for Prince. I'd say the rest of that song has more in common with Prince's previous forrays into Dance music. There are signiture chord stabs and riffs that have Prince written all over them. I'm not sure Josh is behind the electronic sound... So much as Prince see's a big market.
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What is that nonsense about "masking his many vocal infallacies"? He has performed live some of his most difficult songs masterfully within the last five years, his vocals on The Breakdown are flawless and he has recorded an album that is deliberately artificial, hence the sonic jigging. He wants you to know he manipulated his own voice -- not exactly masking. Besides you'll have other songs on PLEL and possibly AOA to see if your hypothesis holds any water.
I'm afraid you're quite the traditionalist despite being a teenager. It's ok, I once was a classical music obsessed teen who knew nothing about the music other teens listen to, and it sounds like you already spent many years listening to his back catalog. You're getting a record with a sound you didn't expect just like I did when Purple Rain came out -- I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks.
Maybe AOA and PLEL will be terrible as a whole, not sure yet but around me I've seen people warming up to the songs after a few spins. Clouds takes two or three good spins to feel orderly, at first it feels disjointed and so does Funknroll. In my experience, Prince songs that are immediately "catchy" often tend to get old the fastest -- for instance "Chocolate Box" on Minneapolis Sound, that gets so annoying after a while. | |
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I dislike the idea that hating the new material means a person is being negative. มีเพียงความว่างเปล่า 只有空虚 Dim ond gwacter 만 공허함이있다 唯一の虚しさがあります There is only the void. | |
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CharismaDove said: I don't think most people do it simply to be malicious . It's because the AOA/PE tracks generally are very, very, very poor. I thought Breakfast Can Wait, FallinLoveTonight, and Clouds were bad. Now I've heard U Know + Funk N Roll and have lost any excitement I may have had for this project. 20ten isn't a fan favorite... but those songs easily piss on these. P's trying to incorporate euro-dance, plastic R&B, chipmunk vocals, sound effects, and a bunch of useless shit in slightly if even entertaining musical rhythms. . If someone seems "too harsh", it's probably because they're die-hards and are disappointed just how horrible these albums are shaping up to be... Can I suggest you get your ears syringed in time for the 30th, so you can listen to the albums in their entirety | |
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dopedog said: Personally i think all the songs released so far are the best things ive heard by Prince in a LONG time, and are FAR better than anything thats on 20ten, i despise that album. Might be in the minority, dont really care, different strokes and all that. Im looking forward to these albums big time, which i havnt felt for a Prince record for a long time. Agreed. Though the tracks from AOA are sounding better than those from PE thus far Last set of good tracks were from 2009, mainly on LF and a few on MPLS, so excited | |
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EXACTLY. But watch out. Now people will think you're romanticizing the 80s too much Maybe do, just not like did before | |
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. My opinion is that his voice doesn't sound as good anymore. I haven't seen many "masterful" performances in the past few years, but I'll take your word for it.... He's still a showsman though, and I personally think his guitar solos have only gotten better since the 80s. Vocally? I think he's gotten weaker. On songs he's using his regular voice (Breakfast Can Wait, PretzelbodyLogic), they sound really breathy and "quacky" (like a duck). Some people have distinct voices, but this isn't distinct in a good way. If you disagree, cool. Love P's voice all you want, but not everyone will love his voice the same way they dug his voice from when he was 20 and on top of the world. Michael Jackson's voice also changed, in the later 90s-ish, and I dug it. I don't dig P's change. If he's purposely manipulating his voice though and purposely acting artificial, then why do so many orgers dig it? I thought y'all criticize countless pop acts of today for being fake, and now when P is trying his best to sound fake on top of fake music, it's coo? . traditionalist? You must have missed over the countless times I stated how much I loved his 90s work, and my love for Rainbow Children and ONA, as well as appreciation of 3121, PE, Lotus, etc... Those are some of P's later works, so I don't get why you're under an impression that I love just his old work and nothing else, thus making me a traditionalist. And FYI, I do know what music other teens listen to because I listen to it myself yeah, there's a world outside of Prince for me. Whether it be R&B, rock, pop, Ariana Grande, etc... I know all about radio songs. . "I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks." . Fair enough. I was the same way, in the beginning unable to understand some of his masterpiece albums. Maybe AOA will be the same way... but there was a difference back then and now. Back then, the songs I wasn't able to get into because they were weird and artsy (like paisley Park, Condition of the Heart), and this is exactly why they became my favorites later on when my mind opened. With AOA, it's not about them being 'weird'. It's about them totally sucking. I've already stated above how much I like his later 2000s work, so it's not about being an 80's lover. It's about these current songs SUCKING. Maybe I will get the vibe later on, true. But I highly doubt it. After all, I never hated ATWIAD, Parade, or TRC (three albums it took me a while to 'get'). AOA, I do dislike already (he's leaked so much out). . That's cool, if you think Clouds and Funknroll are good songs and people are warming up to them. It's just my opinoin they're not good songs and that he's borrowing too heavily from today's trends in a shaky way. I maintain the belief these songs would be ridiculed had Trey Songz for example released them. But if you do like 'em, that's cool
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. agreed. Prince is a diverse artist who's done everything from Elvis typa songs (Delirious), Billy Joel (Morning Papers), Richard Marx (Love You in Me), etc... it's understandable that people will dislike/hate some of the material he puts out unless you're unbelievably open-minded and loving towards all type of music. . It's more of a criticism, I think, of how people who are enjoying this era and the new music are getting annoyed seeing negative input too because it spoils the mood, maybe. Maybe do, just not like did before | |
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I really cannot imagine Elvis singing Delirious any more than I can imagine Biily Joel singing The Morning Papers (surely Billy would have come up with a better chorus than Sha-na-na-na-na) Sing us a song, U're the piano man! But all I hear nowadays is the studio gadget man! | |
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. My opinion is that his voice doesn't sound as good anymore. I haven't seen many "masterful" performances in the past few years, but I'll take your word for it.... He's still a showsman though, and I personally think his guitar solos have only gotten better since the 80s. Vocally? I think he's gotten weaker. On songs he's using his regular voice (Breakfast Can Wait, PretzelbodyLogic), they sound really breathy and "quacky" (like a duck). Some people have distinct voices, but this isn't distinct in a good way. If you disagree, cool. Love P's voice all you want, but not everyone will love his voice the same way they dug his voice from when he was 20 and on top of the world. Michael Jackson's voice also changed, in the later 90s-ish, and I dug it. I don't dig P's change. If he's purposely manipulating his voice though and purposely acting artificial, then why do so many orgers dig it? I thought y'all criticize countless pop acts of today for being fake, and now when P is trying his best to sound fake on top of fake music, it's coo? . traditionalist? You must have missed over the countless times I stated how much I loved his 90s work, and my love for Rainbow Children and ONA, as well as appreciation of 3121, PE, Lotus, etc... Those are some of P's later works, so I don't get why you're under an impression that I love just his old work and nothing else, thus making me a traditionalist. And FYI, I do know what music other teens listen to because I listen to it myself yeah, there's a world outside of Prince for me. Whether it be R&B, rock, pop, Ariana Grande, etc... I know all about radio songs. . "I was like "what is all this rock stuff? this doesn't anything like 1999!" Then with ATWIA and Parade, it was even more WTF, but in all three cases, of course I "got" the vibe after a number of days or weeks." . Fair enough. I was the same way, in the beginning unable to understand some of his masterpiece albums. Maybe AOA will be the same way... but there was a difference back then and now. Back then, the songs I wasn't able to get into because they were weird and artsy (like paisley Park, Condition of the Heart), and this is exactly why they became my favorites later on when my mind opened. With AOA, it's not about them being 'weird'. It's about them totally sucking. I've already stated above how much I like his later 2000s work, so it's not about being an 80's lover. It's about these current songs SUCKING. Maybe I will get the vibe later on, true. But I highly doubt it. After all, I never hated ATWIAD, Parade, or TRC (three albums it took me a while to 'get'). AOA, I do dislike already (he's leaked so much out). . That's cool, if you think Clouds and Funknroll are good songs and people are warming up to them. It's just my opinoin they're not good songs and that he's borrowing too heavily from today's trends in a shaky way. I maintain the belief these songs would be ridiculed had Trey Songz for example released them. But if you do like 'em, that's cool
Prince had different ways of singing since the beginning, that's even true for his harmonies where he'll assume a different tone for some parts, so that it sounds a bit like several singers. But if you think he sounds like a duck in BCW, hey that's cool... As for you liking the nineties stuff, that is tradition by now -- it was last century. Overall, this period was actually more conventional, at least Emancipation, NPS and Rave either owe a lot to a tradition, the then current state of RnB or his own back catalog. Here I think we have Prince in 1999 mode. That album was his first Art Official record because it uses synths and the linn drums so much to create a mechanical or or computer inspired sound, such as in Something in the water. Of course, the cold tools are infused with the warmth of his vocals and his playing -- not too unlike what he seems to be trying to achieve here. [Edited 9/21/14 13:00pm] | |
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Negativity is par for the course around here. If Sign O the Times was a new album, there would be people criticizing it too. | |
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Log on to this site and listen to the old fogies bitch and moan about the good ol' days and how they have to pay their mortgages and college tuitions before they can afford to buy a Prince CD. You can practically smell the decay every time a remasters thread pops up on here!
[Edited 9/21/14 22:02pm] When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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I hear Carmen Electra needs a roomate? Too soon? I kid. These ladies are far more musically talented than her. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment | |
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I see so much on here about what everyone wants Prince to do. I have my taste when it comes to his releases, and I find myself liking more of what he used to do. I still buy everything and I always find something I like.
I guess what I find myself doing is rooting for him to do well. I want him to be successful. He can release whatever he wants, I just wish he would be heard and have some success with what he puts out. If I like it too, bonus! I haven't liked every single song that he's had success with, so no big deal. I hope funk n roll is a huge "hit." I hope "U Know" is too. Who the hell am I to say they won't be?
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Blixical said: I dislike the idea that hating the new material means a person is being negative. This is the attitude that annoys me most. Just because you don't like the music doesn't mean those who enjoy it are deluded. | |
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