TrevorAyer said:

leecaldon said:

Emancipation is one triple album, Sign O The Times one double album. Lotusflow3r and MPLSound are 2 separate albums that were physically packaged as part of 3 disc set.

If Plectrum has Prince's name in it, then it's definitely a Prince album.

And an album is an album, however or wherever it is released. Which means the likes of The Slaughterhouse and The Chocolate Invasion really need to be a part of this list.

meh .. i am more of the mind that anything released online only does not count .. lotus had one title on the cover .. one .. both cds were short too .. i am calling it one album .. prince has released exactly 1 album in the last decade with 1 more on the way .. 3eg is not a prince album

That's an old-fashioned way of thinking. If singles only counted if they were released physically, there would be no singles market.

The Lotusflow3r set has 3 abum names on the spine and 3 covers. And they are very much normal-length albums. Everything indicates they are meant to be considered separate albums.

3EG is a Prince project. He sings lead, he plays guitar, he writes, he produces. What more do you want?

the thinking here is ass-backwards and tripping over itself to prove a point more than it needs proven

databank said:

The only ambiguous (out of bad faith) release is the Tramps show, which is neither bootleg nor streamed but can be purchased and dowloaded on a legit website that's being held by a legit American company.

This is the only release I would remove from your list. Yes, it's legal, but Prince probably didn't want to see that recording released.

leecaldon said:

That's an old-fashioned way of thinking. If singles only counted if they were released physically, there would be no singles market.

The Lotusflow3r set has 3 abum names on the spine and 3 covers. And they are very much normal-length albums. Everything indicates they are meant to be considered separate albums.

3EG is a Prince project. He sings lead, he plays guitar, he writes, he produces. What more do you want?

I agree with Lotusflower. It's 2 Prince albums and one by Brian or whatever her name is.

I think 3EG remains to be seen. It certainly WAS a Prince project back when they were gigging. Now it remeains to be seen who takes lead vocals on the majority of the tracks. (I can't imagine Hannah singing funkandroll - but who knows) Liveoutloud and Whitecaps were both Hannah on vocals.

The trouble with Princes online albums is that they're no longer available. However a limited release it still a release.

leecaldon said:

TrevorAyer said:

meh .. i am more of the mind that anything released online only does not count .. lotus had one title on the cover .. one .. both cds were short too .. i am calling it one album .. prince has released exactly 1 album in the last decade with 1 more on the way .. 3eg is not a prince album

That's an old-fashioned way of thinking. If singles only counted if they were released physically, there would be no singles market.

The Lotusflow3r set has 3 abum names on the spine and 3 covers. And they are very much normal-length albums. Everything indicates they are meant to be considered separate albums.

3EG is a Prince project. He sings lead, he plays guitar, he writes, he produces. What more do you want?

ok but can u purchase his online releases anywhere? at very lease we can find his real releases in used record stores or buy them online for a download somehow .. last I knew there was no place you could go download his old npgmc era music .. certainly not in a listenable format such as wave or lossless instead of mp3 .. even tho I liked some of that material it feels very unreleased to me .. as in .. its gone .. never to be heard .. just a quick treat for the hardcore fans but nothing official .. most of it was crap anyway .. i mean .. its ALL better than say .. clouds .. but still not up to the bar prince set and then never came close to again .. as for lotus .. was it ever sold as its own record? ... separately? .. it just doesn't seem right to call lotus 2 records .. or even 3 .. and then call emancipation 1 record even tho it had at least 2or 3 times the amount of music and no bria record .. is 2010 a release if we cant buy it in the us? .. if the only way to get a prince song is illegal .. is it a release?

I had high hopes that this long gap between releases might actually turn up some good music at the end of it all .. too bad prince completely lost his studio and songwriting mojo .. the last thing anyone wants after 5 years is another crappy lifeless prince record .. I have gone from anticipation to considering returning to my boycotting stance due to the fact that I don't like throwing away my money on garbage .. even if it has prince name on it. But yeah .. Prince HAS released less and less music .. and unfortunately that fact has NOT improved the quality of the music .. it is a very very sad and depressing time to be a prince fan ..

TrevorAyer said:

leecaldon said:

That's an old-fashioned way of thinking. If singles only counted if they were released physically, there would be no singles market.

The Lotusflow3r set has 3 abum names on the spine and 3 covers. And they are very much normal-length albums. Everything indicates they are meant to be considered separate albums.

3EG is a Prince project. He sings lead, he plays guitar, he writes, he produces. What more do you want?

ok but can u purchase his online releases anywhere? at very lease we can find his real releases in used record stores or buy them online for a download somehow .. last I knew there was no place you could go download his old npgmc era music .. certainly not in a listenable format such as wave or lossless instead of mp3 .. even tho I liked some of that material it feels very unreleased to me .. as in .. its gone .. never to be heard .. just a quick treat for the hardcore fans but nothing official .. most of it was crap anyway .. i mean .. its ALL better than say .. clouds .. but still not up to the bar prince set and then never came close to again .. as for lotus .. was it ever sold as its own record? ... separately? .. it just doesn't seem right to call lotus 2 records .. or even 3 .. and then call emancipation 1 record even tho it had at least 2or 3 times the amount of music and no bria record .. Whether it seems right to you doesn't change anything to reality and the lenght of albums can be considerably different. Is it right to call Dirty Mind an album while it's 6 times shorter than Emancipation? No, you're right, from now on I declare Dirty Mind is a single because it doesn't seem right to call it an album. This is where your logic leads. Emancipation is a single cohesive ensemble of songs with a single title. Lotusflow3r, Mplsound and Elixer are 3 significantly different albums with 3 dinstinct titles. is 2010 a release if we cant buy it in the us? Yes, what was I thinking? I'm sorry my geography lessons are from so long ago, I've checked again on Google and you're right: this is the map of the world as it truly is: http://chinadivide.com/wp...30x530.jpg .. if the only way to get a prince song is illegal .. is it a release? The notion of legality as you define it is very blurry. It is legal in some countries to download music via peer-2-peer networks. It is legal in some countries to put create direct download sites (hence their very existence, or they'd all have been wiped out for long). A French judge ruled in 2004 that a man who'd been charged for downloading albums through a P2P network was actually doing "private copy" since he was taking the music from another individual's computer, and the man was set free: this put an end to the French law regarding this and and took them 5 years to come up with another viable law against filesharing. It happens, in most countries, to be legal to sell and buy second hand CD's and not to share music online: this may (ans will) change. The fact that an album is out of print is a similar fact regardless of the availability of second hand copies. Many early movies don't have a single copy surviving (see "lost films" on Wikipedia), should we also consider that those motion pictures were not real motion pictures just because they aren't available anymore (and never will, contrarly to Prince's digital albums)?

I had high hopes that this long gap between releases might actually turn up some good music at the end of it all .. too bad prince completely lost his studio and songwriting mojo .. the last thing anyone wants after 5 years is another crappy lifeless prince record .. I have gone from anticipation to considering returning to my boycotting stance due to the fact that I don't like throwing away my money on garbage .. even if it has prince name on it. But yeah .. Prince HAS released less and less music .. and unfortunately that fact has NOT improved the quality of the music .. it is a very very sad and depressing time to be a prince fan .. I'm having a ball, sad for you

The problem I think is that you tend to be confused by the difference between objective reality and your own, personal perception of it. It seems to me that you're one inch away from saying that the albums you don't personally like also don't count as albums because they're crap.

olb99 said:

databank said:

The only ambiguous (out of bad faith) release is the Tramps show, which is neither bootleg nor streamed but can be purchased and dowloaded on a legit website that's being held by a legit American company.

This is the only release I would remove from your list. Yes, it's legal, but Prince probably didn't want to see that recording released.

It's possible indeed because this website has obtained the right to release anything from their collections as long as they pay due royalties, but we don't know about 's consent. I suspect if had been forced to licence this recording he'd have fussed about it a lot in the media, though, and he didn't say a word (he didn't promote it either, I'll give u that). Another indication is the fact that the album is available for purchase, something it seems that site does on a case by case agreement with the artists/labels: of note is the fact that the 2 other shows available there legally belonged to WB at the time (according to Alan Leeds at least, who said that couldn't release anything from his WB years, including live material, without WB's consent) are stream only, while the one recording that belongs to is available for purchase: sounds to me like the website had to obtain Paisley Park's permission to be able to sell the show instead of just streaming it, but fact is that this whole situation is very blurry and we don't know the specifics, save that the website is a legit operation.

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Another album on my list that was released without 's consent (this we know for a fact, from Pépé Willie himself) is Minneapolis Genius. In that regard its presence on the list could also be disputed.

Now, could you do the same not with albums, but with songs durations? So for each decade, we would have the total duration of officially released music, album and non-album, live and studio. Of course, you would have to normalize your input and ignore edited/duplicate versions.

olb99 said:

Now, could you do the same not with albums, but with songs durations? So for each decade, we would have the total duration of officially released music, album and non-album, live and studio. Of course, you would have to normalize your input and ignore edited/duplicate versions.

I could, but I won't

Data .. are u a lawyer? U talk in circles to make you point but you don't really make a point. It is really simple. Emancipation counts as 3 records. Dirty mind counts as 1. My point is more that you can't call Lotus 3 and Emancipation 1. It's either / or. Emancipation was counted as 3 records to give him that stupid fake platinum cert. 2010 was never released except in one country. I would put that under the same category as say .. the screwdriver and lets go crazy reloaded .. they are some little side project not on anything official .. it would be like a fan club release as opposed to a release to the public. I do agree with one thing you said tho. If the album sucks it should not count. Prince has not released an album since WB. Anything that came after WB was made by his imposter clone that can't write for shit and is NOT an official PRINCE record. I still wish prince would wake the fuck up and take each good idea from the 20 post WB years and record them with the Revolution. That would make a great record. So now that we have debated, I know we have reached the same conclusion. Prince has not released ANY records in this most recent decade. Goose eggs.. big fat zero. It's funny because even tho I am a super big huge prince fan, my views are right in line with THE REST OF THE WORLD. Is that objective enough for you. Me and the rest of the world know prince hasn't released shit since wb. It's only the few nutters here that think prince has had a recording career post wb. ha!

TrevorAyer said:

Data .. are u a lawyer? No but like everyone I know about more than just my job. U talk in circles to make you point but you don't really make a point. Actually I do for most people except for you that is. It is really simple. It seems not. Emancipation counts as 3 records. This is charts, nothing to do with artistic creation. Dirty mind counts as 1. My point is more that you can't call Lotus 3 and Emancipation 1. It's either / or. No it's not and you're about the only person to think it is. Emancipation was counted as 3 records in the charts, as are every double and triple albums by any artist to give him that stupid fake platinum cert. I agree the system is ridiculous but Prince didn't invent it. Besides, this notion of albums being simple, double or triple is very debatable considering the evolutions of formats: 1999 would have been a simple album in 1991 and D&P a double in 1982. Even if we accept that the dominant format of a particular era should be the one taken into account, then since 2012 the concept of simple/double/triple album is irrelevant for digital is the dominant format. ACtually, if we speak in terms of sales only, cassette was the dominant format in 1982, not LP, so 1999 was never a double album in the first place. This notion is a mere marketing thing from the record industry: have you ever heard of a "double movie" or a "double novel"? Whether a novel is 250 pages-long or 1200 it's still a novel. Therefore I see no reason to take the LENGHT of an album to decide whether it should count as one or more works of art: this is a matter of concepts, not lenght. 2010 was never released except in one country. It was actually released in 5 European countries: Belgium, France, Germany, UK and Ireland, I feel sorry to hear that u think we guys don't count, for we are real people. I would put that under the same category as say .. the screwdriver and lets go crazy reloaded .. they are some little side project not on anything official Screwdriver was a very official single, Let's Go Crazy Reloaded was never released, so what's this about? .. it would be like a fan club release as opposed to a release to the public. So fans are not "the public"? I do agree with one thing you said tho. If the album sucks it should not count. Nonsense, u've just achieved destroying your whole credibility on this forum. Prince has not released an album since WB. Anything that came after WB was made by his imposter clone that can't write for shit and is NOT an official PRINCE record. I still wish prince would wake the fuck up and take each good idea from the 20 post WB years and record them with the Revolution. That would make a great record. So now that we have debated, I know we have reached the same conclusion. Prince has not released ANY records in this most recent decade. Goose eggs.. big fat zero. It's funny because even tho I am a super big huge prince fan, my views are right in line with THE REST OF THE WORLD. Is that objective enough for you. Me and the rest of the world know prince hasn't released shit since wb. It's only the few nutters here that think prince has had a recording career post wb. ha! Out of topic nonsense. Nothing against you pal, but you're wasting my time here, and yours too I think.

databank said:

TrevorAyer said:

2010 was never released except in one country. It was actually released in 5 European countries: Belgium, France, Germany, UK and Ireland

I saw it in Switzerland, too.

olb99 said:

databank said:

I saw it in Switzerland, too.

Interesting.

PS Databank .. Sassey T. says hi and that Businesslady28 aint got nothin on her .. too bad they lock all the good threads eh? .. prince must have some of these 'moderators' on his payroll .. and pps .. if I aint got no cred (lol) y u argue wit me so much? .. let me know when u find that SINGLE DISK VERSION OF LOTUS and then you can say I was wrong .. ha! hell even the 3 in flow3r suggests that album title refers to the amount of disks enclosed in the single album title .. I think of it more as chapters .. there is the elixer the flower and the party .. er something .. not that he achieved anything cohesive .. but the album COVER only has one title listed .. as for the europeans .. my apologies as i didn't know 2010 was available in all those other countries .. still it qualifies as fan club level release as opposed to an official release .. its like getting an interview disk or something .. except the music on an interview disk would be much better I am sure .. ok .. databank gave up and admitted I was right so we're all done here .. P has one release this most recent decade and barely even that

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databank said:

olb99 said:

I saw it in Switzerland, too.

Interesting.

It might have been a French magazine, I don't remember (didn't buy it!).

olb99 said:

databank said:

Interesting.

It might have been a French magazine, I don't remember (didn't buy it!).

I'm quite sure Courrier International, like most big French magazines, is distributed in the French speaking parts of Switzerland and Belgium, as well as in Luxemburg BTW.