Genesia said:

Bambi82 said:

I love how she said recently (forget where) that her book isn't about Prince, yet the Prince stories seem to be all anyone is hearing about. And the negative stuff at that.

Let's face it: if it weren't for Prince, hardly anyone would know who Sheila Escovedo is (because she wouldn't be Sheila E.). It's largely because they want to read about her relationship with Prince that anyone is buying her book, at all. In other words, she's still making money off her association with him. Don't think she and/or her publicist don't know how that deck is stacked - and flogging it for all it's worth.

I would be willing to bet that, no matter what other stories are peddled, the real reason for her latest falling out with Prince is that she told him she was writing a book - and he cut her off then and there.

I think that's a fair bet. Did they ever reconcile after the falling out over Prince allowing Larry to play over Sheila when he double booked them?

Genesia said:

Bambi82 said:

I love how she said recently (forget where) that her book isn't about Prince, yet the Prince stories seem to be all anyone is hearing about. And the negative stuff at that.

Let's face it: if it weren't for Prince, hardly anyone would know who Sheila Escovedo is (because she wouldn't be Sheila E.). It's largely because they want to read about her relationship with Prince that anyone is buying her book, at all. In other words, she's still making money off her association with him. Don't think she and/or her publicist don't know how that deck is stacked - and flogging it for all it's worth.

I would be willing to bet that, no matter what other stories are peddled, the real reason for her latest falling out with Prince is that she told him she was writing a book - and he cut her off then and there.

Actually, in her book, she says that it was George Duke who first started calling her "E." She suggested to Prince that her stage name should be "Sheila E" based on that.

Sheila has worked with many musical legends since a very young age. It was Prince who encouraged her to go for a solo career. Obviously, that's how she's known outside of the percussion/Latin jazz world. She can't help it that in EVERY interview that is done, she gets asked about Prince. Everyone is talking about that because he is such an mystery. People want t know intimate things about him.

I thoroughly enjoyed the book. It was interesting all around, not just the few Prince parts. I recommend reading it. The sexual abuse she went through as a child is heartbreaking. Her musical tenacity is inspiring and the love she has for her family is sweet.

Here's the short Entertainment Tonight interview: http://www.etonline.com/m...ce-151050/

Genesia said:

Bambi82 said:

I love how she said recently (forget where) that her book isn't about Prince, yet the Prince stories seem to be all anyone is hearing about. And the negative stuff at that.

Let's face it: if it weren't for Prince, hardly anyone would know who Sheila Escovedo is (because she wouldn't be Sheila E.). It's largely because they want to read about her relationship with Prince that anyone is buying her book, at all. In other words, she's still making money off her association with him. Don't think she and/or her publicist don't know how that deck is stacked - and flogging it for all it's worth.

I would be willing to bet that, no matter what other stories are peddled, the real reason for her latest falling out with Prince is that she told him she was writing a book - and he cut her off then and there.

Yeah, no other major performers had even noticed her in the early 1980s. *rollseyes*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PnhlXLHKAE

funkyhead said:

fnksoul said:

It is quite sad though that all these Stories coming out of her book are based around Prince so shes currrently using his name to make money, Which I image wont fly too well with him.

Do they currently still speak or did they fall out?

hi mate, how's life. Very good point made. Lots of these artists who publish a book really only have Prince as a point of ref & despite him being a little ruthless git I actually do feel for him. She brags that SHE influenced HIM, which is fair enough & given her success before & after her time with him I find it hard to beleive she was actually left penniless. Her dad & family are all successful musicians as far as I am aware so I am sure she could have leaned on them etc. If it wasn't for Prince would she be known in the main stream?..i very much doubt it. We all have free will...she could have just quit the Lovesexy gigs regardless of Princes demands if the funeral really meant THAT much to her. Like I say , his bad behaviour towards those close is well documented BUT likewsie he does have a lot of good in him..bit like a lot of us!

Not bad thanks Jav how about you?

Yeah thats what i'm saying the articles and the in an interview of two seem more focused on the Prince gossip and alot of Prince fans are sharing it on the back of that.

I think she did some work with soem artists before prince, Marvin Gaye being one of them but not sure how "known" mainstream she was though.

so,basically it looks like Entertainment tonight was just exagerrating,to get people to tune in to that episode Sheila was never really "broke" or penniless.They come up with these screaming headlines,but it's not quite how it appears.

By the sound of it, Sheila was ill informed about her contract(s) and the business of music in the 80s. As for her romantic relationship with Prince, I don't think anyone involved at the time (except perhaps Susannah Melvoin) was very innocent. I mean, everyone knows Simon from X Factor has a world-class ego, so if you get close to him that way, you know you're taking a big risk.

As for her grandma's funeral, it's sad but this comes up regularly in film making and tours. You have stories of so and so not wanting to cancel because it's so expensive to stop for a few days. I read somewhere that Ingmar Bergman and his cinematographer had a huge fight over Bergman not allowing Nykvist to attend a funeral during the making of Fanny and Alexander. I don't remember if Sven went but in any case, it's sad when this happens but then again the interruption can be very costly and disruptive and yes, many people involved in those very tightly scheduled projects had to skip funerals or getting their Oscar in person because they were involved in a tight, expensive schedule at the time.

In any case, I love Sheila E., she is a good person and it does not seem like she's out there being bitter despite the exagerated headlines.

EnDoRpHn said:

Genesia said:

Let's face it: if it weren't for Prince, hardly anyone would know who Sheila Escovedo is (because she wouldn't be Sheila E.). It's largely because they want to read about her relationship with Prince that anyone is buying her book, at all. In other words, she's still making money off her association with him. Don't think she and/or her publicist don't know how that deck is stacked - and flogging it for all it's worth.

I would be willing to bet that, no matter what other stories are peddled, the real reason for her latest falling out with Prince is that she told him she was writing a book - and he cut her off then and there.

Yeah, no other major performers had even noticed her in the early 1980s. *rollseyes*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PnhlXLHKAE

You can roll your eyes 'til you sprain your brain - the fact remains that Prince took Sheila E. from being a member of someone else's band to being a star in her own right.

Genesia said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Yeah, no other major performers had even noticed her in the early 1980s. *rollseyes*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PnhlXLHKAE

You can roll your eyes 'til you sprain your brain - the fact remains that Prince took Sheila E. from being a member of someone else's band to being a star in her own right.

That is a FACT!

she blames prince because she spent money she didn't have?

Prince shoudl be criticized for not letting her have time off when her grandmother died. He shouldn't be blamed that she put herself into debt.

It's odd too, that she's performed with Prince many times since he supposedly left her pennyless, now uses that claim to sell books.

laurarichardson said:

Graycap23 said:

"Prince spent $370,000 on my first album. That's where I got my come up. If they don't put those three albums out, they have to pay you what it costs to produce those albums. You add $370,000 three times and how much is that? That's a grip". $1.11million

My memory needs some serious work.

Well it was 3 million. Sheila said in the book she owed the money to Prince's mgmt but she also said a few years ago that she got big royalty checks.

Huh? How can 370,000 x 3 make 3 million? It's 1,11 indeed.

SoulAlive said:

$2 million was spent on promoting the Carmen Elektra album.I guess Prince was *really* impressed with her "talent" [Edited 9/11/14 12:33pm]

It was WB's money and that was one of the main reasons they had a falling out in 93. got mad at them for not selling enough copies of and Carmen Electra, they got mad at him for being mad at them when he wouldn't follow they advices for the choice of singles for and the fact that Carmen Electra was such a bullshit album that it was impossible to sell in the first place, they declined to release Gold Nigga because enough was enough, didn't accept the fact that they would decline to release an album he wanted to release, and that was the begining of the end.

Aerogram said:

By the sound of it, Sheila was ill informed about her contract(s) and the business of music in the 80s. As for her romantic relationship with Prince, I don't think anyone involved at the time (except perhaps Susannah Melvoin) was very innocent. I mean, everyone knows Simon from X Factor has a world-class ego, so if you get close to him that way, you know you're taking a big risk.

As for her grandma's funeral, it's sad but this comes up regularly in film making and tours. You have stories of so and so not wanting to cancel because it's so expensive to stop for a few days. I read somewhere that Ingmar Bergman and his cinematographer had a huge fight over Bergman not allowing Nykvist to attend a funeral during the making of Fanny and Alexander. I don't remember if Sven went but in any case, it's sad when this happens but then again the interruption can be very costly and disruptive and yes, many people involved in those very tightly scheduled projects had to skip funerals or getting their Oscar in person because they were involved in a tight, expensive schedule at the time.

In any case, I love Sheila E., she is a good person and it does not seem like she's out there being bitter despite the exagerated headlines.

I believe a lot of singers/entertainers were/are

Did not Toni Braxton go thru the same thing, as well as TLC?

Genesia said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Yeah, no other major performers had even noticed her in the early 1980s. *rollseyes*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PnhlXLHKAE

You can roll your eyes 'til you sprain your brain - the fact remains that Prince took Sheila E. from being a member of someone else's band to being a star in her own right.

Agreed.

Graycap23 said:

Genesia said:

You can roll your eyes 'til you sprain your brain - the fact remains that Prince took Sheila E. from being a member of someone else's band to being a star in her own right.

That is a FACT!

Sheila would definitely have been a professional musician all her life without , and she had already released 2 albums as a part of the "Pete And Sheila Escovedo" duet before she ever met him, so it's possible that she'd have released some other albums as a latin jazz or smooth jazz artist on some indie labels after that, but it's very unlikely she'd have become a solo pop singer and sold what she sold in 84 and 85 if not for . Now was being a solo pop artist something she was craving for? I haven't read the book yet but somehow I doubt it, it was most likely an opportunity that she would have been silly to decline, but not a dream come true. The mere fact that she gave up on promoting/touring her third album to be a backing bandmember on 's tour shows that her priority was being a drummer/percussionist, not a singer. I think it was Fink who once said that offered her to sing a few songs of her catalogue on the SOTT tour (either as an opening act on during the SOTT sets, not sure) and she declined, saying that it was not what she was there for.

databank said:

Graycap23 said:

That is a FACT!

Sheila would definitely have been a professional musician all her life without , and she had already released 2 albums as a part of the "Pete And Sheila Escovedo" duet before she ever met him, so it's possible that she'd have released some other albums as a latin jazz or smooth jazz artist on some indie labels after that, but it's very unlikely she'd have become a solo pop singer and sold what she sold in 84 and 85 if not for . Now was being a solo pop artist something she was craving for? I haven't read the book yet but somehow I doubt it, it was most likely an opportunity that she would have been silly to decline, but not a dream come true. The mere fact that she gave up on promoting/touring her third album to be a backing bandmember on 's tour shows that her priority was being a drummer/percussionist, not a singer. I think it was Fink who once said that offered her to sing a few songs of her catalogue on the SOTT tour (either as an opening act on during the SOTT sets, not sure) and she declined, saying that it was not what she was there for.

I think it's ridiculous to think that Sheila E did not, on some level, want to do what she did. If someone really doesn't want something - or wants a different direction for their life - the word "no" is very easily formed.

All of this, however, is beside my original point - that if Sheila E hadn't met and worked with Prince, she would not be known to the degree that she is today.

Genesia said:

databank said:

Sheila would definitely have been a professional musician all her life without , and she had already released 2 albums as a part of the "Pete And Sheila Escovedo" duet before she ever met him, so it's possible that she'd have released some other albums as a latin jazz or smooth jazz artist on some indie labels after that, but it's very unlikely she'd have become a solo pop singer and sold what she sold in 84 and 85 if not for . Now was being a solo pop artist something she was craving for? I haven't read the book yet but somehow I doubt it, it was most likely an opportunity that she would have been silly to decline, but not a dream come true. The mere fact that she gave up on promoting/touring her third album to be a backing bandmember on 's tour shows that her priority was being a drummer/percussionist, not a singer. I think it was Fink who once said that offered her to sing a few songs of her catalogue on the SOTT tour (either as an opening act on during the SOTT sets, not sure) and she declined, saying that it was not what she was there for.

I think it's ridiculous to think that Sheila E did not, on some level, want to do what she did. If someone really doesn't want something - or wants a different direction for their life - the word "no" is very easily formed.

All of this, however, is beside my original point - that if Sheila E hadn't met and worked with Prince, she would not be known to the degree that she is today.

I think she would have made an attempt at some point. She might have been a one hit wonder in the 1980s. Once she started touring/performing with George Duke & especially Lionel Ritchie, also appearing in one of his videos.

.

But it's because of her 1980s Prince connection that brought her to the place she is. Just like Prince's 1980s period brought him to where he is. And very importantly it was Prince that took Sheila Escovedo & made her Sheila E

Genesia said:

databank said:

Sheila would definitely have been a professional musician all her life without , and she had already released 2 albums as a part of the "Pete And Sheila Escovedo" duet before she ever met him, so it's possible that she'd have released some other albums as a latin jazz or smooth jazz artist on some indie labels after that, but it's very unlikely she'd have become a solo pop singer and sold what she sold in 84 and 85 if not for . Now was being a solo pop artist something she was craving for? I haven't read the book yet but somehow I doubt it, it was most likely an opportunity that she would have been silly to decline, but not a dream come true. The mere fact that she gave up on promoting/touring her third album to be a backing bandmember on 's tour shows that her priority was being a drummer/percussionist, not a singer. I think it was Fink who once said that offered her to sing a few songs of her catalogue on the SOTT tour (either as an opening act on during the SOTT sets, not sure) and she declined, saying that it was not what she was there for.

I think it's ridiculous to think that Sheila E did not, on some level, want to do what she did. If someone really doesn't want something - or wants a different direction for their life - the word "no" is very easily formed.

All of this, however, is beside my original point - that if Sheila E hadn't met and worked with Prince, she would not be known to the degree that she is today.

You didn't read what I wrote or if u did, u make me say something that I don't say.

Say you're a writer, a novelist, ur goal in life is to write literature. Then one day a friend who works in Hollywood tells you "dude, I like ur writing, would u like to script the next movie I'm about to produce?". Then u think it's gonna be an interesting, fun new artistic experience. Then u think it's gonna be real good money, more than u make with novels. Then u think it's gonna give u exposure as a writer and help u sell ur novels. So u say yes and u do it. And if it works out u may keep doing it for some time before going back to novels or maybe even do that for the rest of ur life and keep writing novels every once in a while when u have some free time. U'd have been a fool to say no in the first place. But in any scenario it was not what u aimed to do in the first place, it was in the same field but not the same thing, u just took an opportunity that was offered to you and if the opportunity hadn't come to you you'd have been fully happy with your career as a novelist.

Now if this doens't make any sense to you then I'm sorry, but u watch too much TV (u know this world where everybody wants to be a star).

databank said:

Graycap23 said:

That is a FACT!

Sheila would definitely have been a professional musician all her life without , and she had already released 2 albums as a part of the "Pete And Sheila Escovedo" duet before she ever met him, so it's possible that she'd have released some other albums as a latin jazz or smooth jazz artist on some indie labels after that, but it's very unlikely she'd have become a solo pop singer and sold what she sold in 84 and 85 if not for . Now was being a solo pop artist something she was craving for? I haven't read the book yet but somehow I doubt it, it was most likely an opportunity that she would have been silly to decline, but not a dream come true. The mere fact that she gave up on promoting/touring her third album to be a backing bandmember on 's tour shows that her priority was being a drummer/percussionist, not a singer. I think it was Fink who once said that offered her to sing a few songs of her catalogue on the SOTT tour (either as an opening act on during the SOTT sets, not sure) and she declined, saying that it was not what she was there for.

Wow I didn't know that, That would have been a cool thing to do, doesn't make sense that she would do a few song for the show

databank said:

Genesia said:

I think it's ridiculous to think that Sheila E did not, on some level, want to do what she did. If someone really doesn't want something - or wants a different direction for their life - the word "no" is very easily formed.

All of this, however, is beside my original point - that if Sheila E hadn't met and worked with Prince, she would not be known to the degree that she is today.

You didn't read what I wrote or if u did, u make me say something that I don't say.

Say you're a writer, a novelist, ur goal in life is to write literature. Then one day a friend who works in Hollywood tells you "dude, I like ur writing, would u like to script the next movie I'm about to produce?". Then u think it's gonna be an interesting, fun new artistic experience. Then u think it's gonna be real good money, more than u make with novels. Then u think it's gonna give u exposure as a writer and help u sell ur novels. So u say yes and u do it. And if it works out u may keep doing it for some time before going back to novels or maybe even do that for the rest of ur life and keep writing novels every once in a while when u have some free time. U'd have been a fool to say no in the first place. But in any scenario it was not what u aimed to do in the first place, it was in the same field but not the same thing, u just took an opportunity that was offered to you and if the opportunity hadn't come to you you'd have been fully happy with your career as a novelist.

Now if this doens't make any sense to you then I'm sorry, but u watch too much TV (u know this world where everybody wants to be a star).

Honey, I am a writer by trade and I know perfectly well how to read. Don't condescend to me.

Genesia said:

databank said:

You didn't read what I wrote or if u did, u make me say something that I don't say.

Say you're a writer, a novelist, ur goal in life is to write literature. Then one day a friend who works in Hollywood tells you "dude, I like ur writing, would u like to script the next movie I'm about to produce?". Then u think it's gonna be an interesting, fun new artistic experience. Then u think it's gonna be real good money, more than u make with novels. Then u think it's gonna give u exposure as a writer and help u sell ur novels. So u say yes and u do it. And if it works out u may keep doing it for some time before going back to novels or maybe even do that for the rest of ur life and keep writing novels every once in a while when u have some free time. U'd have been a fool to say no in the first place. But in any scenario it was not what u aimed to do in the first place, it was in the same field but not the same thing, u just took an opportunity that was offered to you and if the opportunity hadn't come to you you'd have been fully happy with your career as a novelist.

Now if this doens't make any sense to you then I'm sorry, but u watch too much TV (u know this world where everybody wants to be a star).

Honey, I am a writer by trade and I know perfectly well how to read. Don't condescend to me.

Good luck with all those damn Princeybonics he wrote cuz I ain't reading that mess,

databank said:

Graycap23 said:

That is a FACT!

Sheila would definitely have been a professional musician all her life without , and she had already released 2 albums as a part of the "Pete And Sheila Escovedo" duet before she ever met him, so it's possible that she'd have released some other albums as a latin jazz or smooth jazz artist on some indie labels after that, but it's very unlikely she'd have become a solo pop singer and sold what she sold in 84 and 85 if not for . Now was being a solo pop artist something she was craving for? I haven't read the book yet but somehow I doubt it, it was most likely an opportunity that she would have been silly to decline, but not a dream come true. The mere fact that she gave up on promoting/touring her third album to be a backing bandmember on 's tour shows that her priority was being a drummer/percussionist, not a singer. I think it was Fink who once said that offered her to sing a few songs of her catalogue on the SOTT tour (either as an opening act on during the SOTT sets, not sure) and she declined, saying that it was not what she was there for.

That's exactly right. She says repeatedly throughout the book that all she ever wanted to do was play music. She was more than happy being in the band and not taking center stage. When Prince asked her to come to the studio when they recorded Erotic City, she was fully expecting to play drums or percussion. She was very relunctant to sing on that record.

babynoz said:

SuzyHomemaker said:

Genesia said:

databank said:

You didn't read what I wrote or if u did, u make me say something that I don't say.

Say you're a writer, a novelist, ur goal in life is to write literature. Then one day a friend who works in Hollywood tells you "dude, I like ur writing, would u like to script the next movie I'm about to produce?". Then u think it's gonna be an interesting, fun new artistic experience. Then u think it's gonna be real good money, more than u make with novels. Then u think it's gonna give u exposure as a writer and help u sell ur novels. So u say yes and u do it. And if it works out u may keep doing it for some time before going back to novels or maybe even do that for the rest of ur life and keep writing novels every once in a while when u have some free time. U'd have been a fool to say no in the first place. But in any scenario it was not what u aimed to do in the first place, it was in the same field but not the same thing, u just took an opportunity that was offered to you and if the opportunity hadn't come to you you'd have been fully happy with your career as a novelist.

Now if this doens't make any sense to you then I'm sorry, but u watch too much TV (u know this world where everybody wants to be a star).

Honey, I am a writer by trade and I know perfectly well how to read. Don't condescend to me.

Honey, I was just trying to say blue and u made me say yellow, so I was only making my point

ethanthomas said:

SuzyHomemaker said:

That's exactly right. She says repeatedly throughout the book that all she ever wanted to do was play music. She was more than happy being in the band and not taking center stage. When Prince asked her to come to the studio when they recorded Erotic City, she was fully expecting to play drums or percussion. She was very relunctant to sing on that record.

Nonsense, she needs to take full responsibility for the decisions and choices that she made, she was a grown woman, not a child.

Who says she isn't taking responsabilities? She is just trying to express how she felt and who she was/is is all. IDK anything about what y'all r saying, honest.

SuzyHomemaker said:

databank said:

Sheila would definitely have been a professional musician all her life without , and she had already released 2 albums as a part of the "Pete And Sheila Escovedo" duet before she ever met him, so it's possible that she'd have released some other albums as a latin jazz or smooth jazz artist on some indie labels after that, but it's very unlikely she'd have become a solo pop singer and sold what she sold in 84 and 85 if not for . Now was being a solo pop artist something she was craving for? I haven't read the book yet but somehow I doubt it, it was most likely an opportunity that she would have been silly to decline, but not a dream come true. The mere fact that she gave up on promoting/touring her third album to be a backing bandmember on 's tour shows that her priority was being a drummer/percussionist, not a singer. I think it was Fink who once said that offered her to sing a few songs of her catalogue on the SOTT tour (either as an opening act on during the SOTT sets, not sure) and she declined, saying that it was not what she was there for.

That's exactly right. She says repeatedly throughout the book that all she ever wanted to do was play music. She was more than happy being in the band and not taking center stage. When Prince asked her to come to the studio when they recorded Erotic City, she was fully expecting to play drums or percussion. She was very relunctant to sing on that record.

Thx for clarifying

Maybe she meant he left her

's that added up to another start.

Genesia said:

Bambi82 said:

I love how she said recently (forget where) that her book isn't about Prince, yet the Prince stories seem to be all anyone is hearing about. And the negative stuff at that.

Let's face it: if it weren't for Prince, hardly anyone would know who Sheila Escovedo is (because she wouldn't be Sheila E.). It's largely because they want to read about her relationship with Prince that anyone is buying her book, at all. In other words, she's still making money off her association with him. Don't think she and/or her publicist don't know how that deck is stacked - and flogging it for all it's worth.

I would be willing to bet that, no matter what other stories are peddled, the real reason for her latest falling out with Prince is that she told him she was writing a book - and he cut her off then and there.

It it weren't for Prince, Shelia would have spent her whole career as a session musician. That was exactly what she was doing with Herbie Hancock & Lionel Ritchie before Prince enter her life.