beatz01 said:

So who is this Andrew Gouche guy and how come he played bass with Prince at Essence ? Is he a new addition ? Is this the first he has popped up in the lineup ?

Gouche has been in the band for several years.

He is widely considered the best gospel bassist around

http://bassmusicianmagazine.com/2013/01/andrew-gouche-the-power-of-soul-by-steve-gregory-bass-musician-magazine-january-2013/

Taking the whole "racial" thing out of this, I agree with what I think the OT was saying in that the song selection could have been much better based on the obvious demographics of the crowd. How he doesn't do at least a couple of those mentioned ballads is beyond me and that would require minimal from the band. Now I am not a guitar player but the idea that Donna cannot play basic "chicken grease" rhythm licks seems a bit strange to me. And if she can't, well then Prince, strap up brotha!!

I read a review/report from the show and it was written by someone who was a bit over the top in her excitement to just see Prince live as she had only seen him once I think. But she was wetting herself talking about the show but when I saw the set list I was thinking, "Hmm, Prince might have phoned this one in" as it look pretty much by the numbers. Now I have always defended his "playing the hits" especially to a large auditorium crowd as well as music festival setting as that is what the casual fan is looking and paying for, but still, looked like this one did not have a lot of extra thought put into it. Now if someone was in attendance and says different, then "my face is red, I stand corrected". LOL

4everyours said:

Taking the whole "racial" thing out of this, I agree with what I think the OT was saying in that the song selection could have been much better based on the obvious demographics of the crowd. How he doesn't do at least a couple of those mentioned ballads is beyond me and that would require minimal from the band. Now I am not a guitar player but the idea that Donna cannot play basic "chicken grease" rhythm licks seems a bit strange to me. And if she can't, well then Prince, strap up brotha!!

I read a review/report from the show and it was written by someone who was a bit over the top in her excitement to just see Prince live as she had only seen him once I think. But she was wetting herself talking about the show but when I saw the set list I was thinking, "Hmm, Prince might have phoned this one in" as it look pretty much by the numbers. Now I have always defended his "playing the hits" especially to a large auditorium crowd as well as music festival setting as that is what the casual fan is looking and paying for, but still, looked like this one did not have a lot of extra thought put into it. Now if someone was in attendance and says different, then "my face is red, I stand corrected". LOL

i heard a boot of donna playing a riff on housequake from Montreux last year,,fucking killed it.. She plays just fine

finally!someone with some sense

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

This isn't about race this is about sound! What if he went to The Essence Fest and sang Opera? I think The Essence Festival Is more about Soul and R&B. The people who were there probably expected Prince to take care of it 'cause they knew of his earlier work. They went for soul and got hardcore rock! A lot of the grown folks I know today wanna hear Kiss or Purple Rain. Some of them DONT know he's still making new music and the ones that do DONT like it because its rock oriented. They grew up with funky Prince and THATS who they wanted to see, not new-wave PRETZELBODYLOGIC Prince. He should've appealed to the masses that night; they wanted funk and that is not 3RDEYEGIRL. They can throw down some rock music, but that wasn't the place to do it! (Please don't hit me.)

i beg to diffet .i have family that lives in Minneapolis and they tell me the northside where Prince grew up was da hood.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince didn't grow up in da hood

I feel like this is thread is so 2002, 2007, 2011 and definitely soooo 2013.

EyeHatechu said:

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

This isn't about race this is about sound! What if he went to The Essence Fest and sang Opera? I think The Essence Festival Is more about Soul and R&B. The people who were there probably expected Prince to take care of it 'cause they knew of his earlier work. They went for soul and got hardcore rock!

A lot of the grown folks I know today wanna hear Kiss or Purple Rain. Some of them DONT know he's still making new music and the ones that do DONT like it because its rock oriented. They grew up with funky Prince and THATS who they wanted to see, not new-wave PRETZELBODYLOGIC Prince.

He should've appealed to the masses that night; they wanted funk and that is not 3RDEYEGIRL. They can throw down some rock music, but that wasn't the place to do it!

(Please don't hit me.)

Dont worry, I wont hit you..
...i totally understand your point.

lezama said:

lezama said:

thx185 said:

it was also very telling that when things did get at little bit funky at one point, Prince had a different guy on bass. That says it all.

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That has everything to do with the songs he played with Andrew and nothing to do with Ida, but good try.

The 3rdeyegirl musicians are basically competent, but they do not have the feel for funk. I'm not the only one saying it.

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Believe me, when you are the bass player in a band, and you get replaced by some other guy playing bass for a few songs (in this case it was a more funky song), it does in fact mean that you could not play that song as well.

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There is no axe being ground here. I'm just a true Prince fan discussing my opinion of the show that I saw.

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NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

lezama said:

Firstly, Prince didnt play a rock heavy set, he also didnt play but 3 songs the average person wouldnt be familiar with, so he DID cater to his audience, and the only place ive seen any type of complaint I saw from any of the people who attended (outside the org of course) has to do with the sound in the venue, which didnt really have anything to do with him.

Alright then I wasn't there. I'm going off of the complaints I've heard. He brought a rock oriented band to The Essence Festival to attempt funk. The NPG wouldn't have to attempt funk because they know what it is and how its supposed to sound. Sure he "catered" to his audience in the sense that he played the songs they wanted but just not with the right band. You wanna hear 3EG play Cloreen Bacon Skin or would you like to hear the NPG? You wanna hear the NPG play FIXURLIFEUP or should we leave it to 3EG?

While I don't want to hear 3EG do it, I also can't imagine any lineup of the NPG that I would want to hear play Cloreen Bacon Skin. Particularly not a lineup with a boatload of backup vocalists and horns. Let's just all imagine that for a few minutes, why don't we? Just a few--not 15.

thx185 said:

lezama said:

thx185 said: That has everything to do with the songs he played with Andrew and nothing to do with Ida, but good try.

The 3rdeyegirl musicians are basically competent, but they do not have the feel for funk. I'm not the only one saying it.

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Believe me, when you are the bass player in a band, and you get replaced by some other guy playing bass for a few songs (in this case it was a more funky song), it does in fact mean that you could not play that song as well.

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There is no axe being ground here. I'm just a true Prince fan discussing my opinion of the show that I saw.

[Edited 7/10/14 19:28pm]

Hey, which songs did Andrew play on? I looked at Princevault, but they didn't mention when he was playing, and I don't see it anywhere else in this thread.

I agree

thx185 said:

lezama said:

thx185 said: That has everything to do with the songs he played with Andrew and nothing to do with Ida, but good try.

The 3rdeyegirl musicians are basically competent, but they do not have the feel for funk. I'm not the only one saying it.

.

Believe me, when you are the bass player in a band, and you get replaced by some other guy playing bass for a few songs (in this case it was a more funky song), it does in fact mean that you could not play that song as well.

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There is no axe being ground here. I'm just a true Prince fan discussing my opinion of the show that I saw.

[Edited 7/10/14 19:28pm]

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

This isn't about race this is about sound! What if he went to The Essence Fest and sang Opera? I think The Essence Festival Is more about Soul and R&B. The people who were there probably expected Prince to take care of it 'cause they knew of his earlier work. They went for soul and got hardcore rock! A lot of the grown folks I know today wanna hear Kiss or Purple Rain. Some of them DONT know he's still making new music and the ones that do DONT like it because its rock oriented. They grew up with funky Prince and THATS who they wanted to see, not new-wave PRETZELBODYLOGIC Prince. He should've appealed to the masses that night; they wanted funk and that is not 3RDEYEGIRL. They can throw down some rock music, but that wasn't the place to do it! (Please don't hit me.)

Huh? That Essence gig was a hit's driven show where even the covers were aimed at the largely African-American, 50,000 strong audience (for God's sake...Prince did an Off The Wall cover...)

There was nothing heavy rock about that set. No disrespect. But this entire thread is wildly silly....

murph said:

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

This isn't about race this is about sound! What if he went to The Essence Fest and sang Opera? I think The Essence Festival Is more about Soul and R&B. The people who were there probably expected Prince to take care of it 'cause they knew of his earlier work. They went for soul and got hardcore rock! A lot of the grown folks I know today wanna hear Kiss or Purple Rain. Some of them DONT know he's still making new music and the ones that do DONT like it because its rock oriented. They grew up with funky Prince and THATS who they wanted to see, not new-wave PRETZELBODYLOGIC Prince. He should've appealed to the masses that night; they wanted funk and that is not 3RDEYEGIRL. They can throw down some rock music, but that wasn't the place to do it! (Please don't hit me.)

Huh? That Essence gig was a hit's driven show where even the covers were aimed at the largely African-American, 50,000 strong audience (for God's sake...Prince did an Off The Wall cover...)

There was nothing heavy rock about that set. No disrespect. But this entire thread is wildly silly....

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Personally I don't think Gouche is any funkier than Ida. I think he's there so Ida can play rhythm while Donna plays lead when Prince puts the guitar down. Nobody was questioning Ida's ability to bring the funk before the 3rdEye band. The 1st time I saw Gouche was in Chicago @ the House of Blues in 2012. He didn't know the songs very well and Ida was coaching him along.

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All this NPG vs 3rdEyeGirl is kinda old. The NPG is the 3rdEyeGirl band with the addition of keyboards, horns, and an additional bass player to add another rhythm guitar. Can't blame the band on the way Prince has reworked the songs. However I would agree that Hanna and Donna are better suited for rock.

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Hanna is no Blackwell for sure but I have to admit she's come a long way in the past two years though. Blackwell is a hard act to follow. I was never all that impressed with Cora or Josh btw.

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Honestly the NPG has been pretty generic after the Musicology/Montreux 09 band. The song arrangements haven't changed much at all.

Wait a minute, wanna make sure I understand this:

Now, if someone suggests it would be better for Prince to play soul/R&B/funk at the ESSENCE Festival than for him to play rock, that person is a racist?!?

What?!?

That's not racist, that's common sense.

The recording industry has spent decades labeling and segregating music as rock or r&b, heck, at one time the industry had seperate "black" charts to rank music. Now it's "urban", but isn't that just a "code word"? Maybe it's the industry that has created this "racism". Certainly not the O.P.

Ya know, if we keep going down this road of labeling everything racism, the word racist will no longer have any power or meaning, right?

It's like MSNBC labelling anybody who has problems with the Obama Administration or Obama himself a racist. Nutty.

SmiggyG said:

Personally I don't think Gouche is any funkier than Ida. I think he's there so Ida can play rhythm while Donna plays lead when Prince puts the guitar down. Nobody was questioning Ida's ability to bring the funk before the 3rdEye band. The 1st time I saw Gouche was in Chicago @ the House of Blues in 2012. He didn't know the songs very well and Ida was coaching him along.

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All this NPG vs 3rdEyeGirl is kinda old. The NPG is the 3rdEyeGirl band with the addition of keyboards, horns, and an additional bass player to add another rhythm guitar. Can't blame the band on the way Prince has reworked the songs. However I would agree that Hanna and Donna are better suited for rock.

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Hanna is no Blackwell for sure but I have to admit she's come a long way in the past two years though. Blackwell is a hard act to follow. I was never all that impressed with Cora or Josh btw.

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Honestly the NPG has been pretty generic after the Musicology/Montreux 09 band. The song arrangements haven't changed much at all.

Agree with your entire post. With Cora and Josh, they were technically very good players, but I agree they never blew me away when they were with the band, not sure why.

djThunderfunk said:

u are wrong....let me sum it up...Coachella he plays rock,Essence R&B!

hopefularranger said:

djThunderfunk said:

Wait a minute, wanna make sure I understand this:

Now, if someone suggests it would be better for Prince to play soul/R&B/funk at the ESSENCE Festival than for him to play rock, that person is a racist?!?

What?!?

That's not racist, that's common sense.

The recording industry has spent decades labeling and segregating music as rock or r&b, heck, at one time the industry had seperate "black" charts to rank music. Now it's "urban", but isn't that just a "code word"? Maybe it's the industry that has created this "racism". Certainly not the O.P.

Ya know, if we keep going down this road of labeling everything racism, the word racist will no longer have any power or meaning, right?

It's like MSNBC labelling anybody who has problems with the Obama Administration or Obama himself a racist. Nutty.

How the "industry" labels and, in effect, "segregates" people has nothing to do with this event. This was not an industry meeting or event; it was a concert for the general public. The audience was attending (and presumably wanted) a Prince show. Prince plays rock and pop in addition to soul and funk. Anyone suggesting that an artist known as much for playing rock NOT play it for "this demographic" is guilty of using the same patronizing code-speak you appear to condemn the music industry for using.

kidmelody2012 said:

u are wrong....let me sum it up...Coachella he plays rock,Essence R&B!

hopefularranger said:

djThunderfunk said: How the "industry" labels and, in effect, "segregates" people has nothing to do with this event. This was not an industry meeting or event; it was a concert for the general public. The audience was attending (and presumably wanted) a Prince show. Prince plays rock and pop in addition to soul and funk. Anyone suggesting that an artist known as much for playing rock NOT play it for "this demographic" is guilty of using the same patronizing code-speak you appear to condemn the music industry for using.

You're remembering incorrectly.

Setlist from Coachella:

	The Bird	.	w/ Morris Day lead vox & Jerome Benton
	Jungle Love	.	w/ Morris Day lead vox & Jerome Benton
	The Glamorous Life	.	w/ Sheila E. co-lead vox
	Santana Medley	incl. Jungle Strut / Batuka / Soul Sacrifice / Toussaint L'Overture	.
	1999	.	.
	I Feel For You	.	.
	Controversy	incl. Housequake interpolation
	Little Red Corvette	.	.
	Musicology	Prince And The Band	.
	Cream	.	.
	U Got The Look	.	.
	Shhh	.	.
	Anotherloverholenyohead	incl. uptempo 'rock jam' coda	.
	Creep	.	.
	Angel	.	Shelby J. lead vox
	7	.	.
	Come Together	.	.
	Purple Rain	.	.
	Let's Go Crazy

hopefularranger said:

How the "industry" labels and, in effect, "segregates" people has nothing to do with this event. This was not an industry meeting or event; it was a concert for the general public. The audience was attending (and presumably wanted) a Prince show. Prince plays rock and pop in addition to soul and funk. Anyone suggesting that an artist known as much for playing rock NOT play it for "this demographic" is guilty of using the same patronizing code-speak you appear to condemn the music industry for using.

It's not about the OP or me or anyone else telling Prince what not to play.

It's about expectations and preferences.

It is a pretty safe assumption that since the Essence Festival features primarily black artists and caters to a primarily black audience, playing soul/R&B/funk would go over better than playing rock.

That's not racist or patronizing. It's reality.

Let's have a look at this year's line-up, shall we:

http://www.essence.com/festival/schedule/list/artist/all/

If the whole point of the festival is not celebrating "black" music, then the ENTIRE festival might be considered "racist", no?

When Prince plays Jazz Fest, does he not lean heavier on the music from his catalog that fit that mold? Yes, he does.

The whole point of my original comment is there is nothing inherently racist about the OP's post. Claiming there is only waters down the meaning of the word racist and is patently absurd.

In my never-humble opinion, of course...

Look,

I love Prince BECAUSE he breaks the musical segregation.

I think Prince is the FUNKIEST musician on the planet and I think he rocks out and shreds the guitar better than anyone in a rock or metal band.

I love it, mash-it-up, mix-it-up, throw everything in but the kitchen sink. That's great.

The general public isn't that eclectic. Playing to a crowd is not a bad idea at such a high profile one-off event. That's all I'm saying...

djThunderfunk said:

hopefularranger said:

How the "industry" labels and, in effect, "segregates" people has nothing to do with this event. This was not an industry meeting or event; it was a concert for the general public. The audience was attending (and presumably wanted) a Prince show. Prince plays rock and pop in addition to soul and funk. Anyone suggesting that an artist known as much for playing rock NOT play it for "this demographic" is guilty of using the same patronizing code-speak you appear to condemn the music industry for using.

It's not about the OP or me or anyone else telling Prince what not to play.

It's about expectations and preferences.

It is a pretty safe assumption that since the Essence Festival features primarily black artists and caters to a primarily black audience, playing soul/R&B/funk would go over better than playing rock.

That's not racist or patronizing. It's reality.

Let's have a look at this year's line-up, shall we:

http://www.essence.com/festival/schedule/list/artist/all/

If the whole point of the festival is not celebrating "black" music, then the ENTIRE festival might be considered "racist", no?

When Prince plays Jazz Fest, does he not lean heavier on the music from his catalog that fit that mold? Yes, he does.

The whole point of my original comment is there is nothing inherently racist about the OP's post. Claiming there is only waters down the meaning of the word racist and is patently absurd.

In my never-humble opinion, of course...

To be fair, I personally never used the word 'racist' so I can't speak on that point. Furthermore, a debate concerning the possible existence of "black racism" is most likely a subject for a thread other than this one.

Having said that, if the point is indeed to celebrate black music, why shouldn't Prince, a black artist that has played rock since the beginning of his career, be expected to not play it at this aforementioned "celebration"? As previously mentioned, the genre of music we today call "rock 'n' roll," despite industry co-opting, was conceptualized by black musicians, and the Essence Fest was presenting a contemporary black performer who is well-known for playing it. But many suggest he should not perform it here based on reasons having to do with "demographics" and the presumed content of performances by the other artists on the bill. I'm just trying to clarify, for my own purposes I suppose, what any of this has EVER had to do with Prince, his music or his performances. I recall attending Dirty Mind, Controversy and 1999 (prior to Little Red Corvette breaking on pop radio) concerts and hearing loud guitars and rock rhythms throughout the shows. During those experiences, I was surrounded on all sides by other black Prince fans who presumably enjoyed it as much as I did.

Regarding "Jazz Fest" performances, you are, at the risk of sounding overly nitpicky, cherry picking those setlists as well. At last years Montreux Jazz Fest, you'll recall that he devoted an entire evening to performing his typical rock-driven 3rdeyegirl set. During the other two nights, he performed very little of what could be labeled "jazz", focusing instead on a good amount of soul and funk with his NPG lineup.

djThunderfunk said:

Look,

I love Prince BECAUSE he breaks the musical segregation.

I think Prince is the FUNKIEST musician on the planet and I think he rocks out and shreds the guitar better than anyone in a rock or metal band.

I love it, mash-it-up, mix-it-up, throw everything in but the kitchen sink. That's great.

The general public isn't that eclectic. Playing to a crowd is not a bad idea at such a high profile one-off event. That's all I'm saying...

That's a fair point. What I believe is an equally fair point is that the makeup of Prince's audiences at his larger arena shows also consists of the "general public" ("casual fans" as they are often labeled). He performs rock, soul and funk music for those audiences as well, and no one thinks twice about it. I generally find it baffling what people presume a particular audience can handle, and the reasoning and rationales for that mode of thinking equally baffle me. It's hard to hear it and not draw troubling conclusions about individuals' views on stereotypes and societal conventions.

Thank you engaging and indulging me. A little intellectual back-and-forth never hurt nobody.

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NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

lezama said:

Firstly, Prince didnt play a rock heavy set, he also didnt play but 3 songs the average person wouldnt be familiar with, so he DID cater to his audience, and the only place ive seen any type of complaint I saw from any of the people who attended (outside the org of course) has to do with the sound in the venue, which didnt really have anything to do with him.

Alright then I wasn't there. I'm going off of the complaints I've heard. He brought a rock oriented band to The Essence Festival to attempt funk. The NPG wouldn't have to attempt funk because they know what it is and how its supposed to sound. Sure he "catered" to his audience in the sense that he played the songs they wanted but just not with the right band. You wanna hear 3EG play Cloreen Bacon Skin or would you like to hear the NPG? You wanna hear the NPG play FIXURLIFEUP or should we leave it to 3EG?

Give us some names of people who you've heard complaining and I'll provide video of 50K people all up in it

[Edited 7/11/14 10:46am]

kidmelody2012 said:

i beg to diffet .i have family that lives in Minneapolis and they tell me the northside where Prince grew up was da hood.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince didn't grow up in da hood

If I remember correctly Prince's life(upbringing) was in many different place -from living with both folks to living with 1 parent 1 parent, living with Andre Cymone(family), living with Morris Day(family) living with Susan Moonsie(family) for a short period) too

murph said:

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

This isn't about race this is about sound! What if he went to The Essence Fest and sang Opera? I think The Essence Festival Is more about Soul and R&B. The people who were there probably expected Prince to take care of it 'cause they knew of his earlier work. They went for soul and got hardcore rock! A lot of the grown folks I know today wanna hear Kiss or Purple Rain. Some of them DONT know he's still making new music and the ones that do DONT like it because its rock oriented. They grew up with funky Prince and THATS who they wanted to see, not new-wave PRETZELBODYLOGIC Prince. He should've appealed to the masses that night; they wanted funk and that is not 3RDEYEGIRL. They can throw down some rock music, but that wasn't the place to do it! (Please don't hit me.)

Huh? That Essence gig was a hit's driven show where even the covers were aimed at the largely African-American, 50,000 strong audience (for God's sake...Prince did an Off The Wall cover...)

There was nothing heavy rock about that set. No disrespect. But this entire thread is wildly silly....

thank you..these folks are tripping

murph said:

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

This isn't about race this is about sound! What if he went to The Essence Fest and sang Opera? I think The Essence Festival Is more about Soul and R&B. The people who were there probably expected Prince to take care of it 'cause they knew of his earlier work. They went for soul and got hardcore rock! A lot of the grown folks I know today wanna hear Kiss or Purple Rain. Some of them DONT know he's still making new music and the ones that do DONT like it because its rock oriented. They grew up with funky Prince and THATS who they wanted to see, not new-wave PRETZELBODYLOGIC Prince. He should've appealed to the masses that night; they wanted funk and that is not 3RDEYEGIRL. They can throw down some rock music, but that wasn't the place to do it! (Please don't hit me.)

Huh? That Essence gig was a hit's driven show where even the covers were aimed at the largely African-American, 50,000 strong audience (for God's sake...Prince did an Off The Wall cover...)

There was nothing heavy rock about that set. No disrespect. But this entire thread is wildly silly....

[Edited 7/11/14 10:49am]

hopefularranger said:

That's a fair point. What I believe is an equal fair point is that the makeup of Prince's audiences at his larger arena shows is also made up the "general public" ("casual fans" as they are often labeled). He performs rock, soul and funk music for those audiences as well, and no one thinks twice about it. I generally find it baffling what people presume a particular audience can handle, and the reasoning and rationales for that mode of thinking equal baffle me. It's hard to hear it and not draw troubling conclusions about individual's views stereotypes and societal conventions.

Thank you engaging and indulging me. A little intellectual back-and-forth never hurt nobody.

Your last line: Totally agree with you. Debate and discussion are a good thing.

I also agree with the majority of what you have said.

The only reason I even entered this discussion was I felt the label of racist was being misused in regards to the OP and the original post.

Ice-T said it best:

"As far as I'm concerned, music is music. I don't look at it as rock, R&B, all that kind of stuff. I just look at it as music, you know...I feel sorry for anyone who only listens to one kind of music."

hopefularranger said:

djThunderfunk said:

Look,

I love Prince BECAUSE he breaks the musical segregation.

I think Prince is the FUNKIEST musician on the planet and I think he rocks out and shreds the guitar better than anyone in a rock or metal band.

I love it, mash-it-up, mix-it-up, throw everything in but the kitchen sink. That's great.

The general public isn't that eclectic. Playing to a crowd is not a bad idea at such a high profile one-off event. That's all I'm saying...

That's a fair point. What I believe is an equally fair point is that the makeup of Prince's audiences at his larger arena shows also consists of the "general public" ("casual fans" as they are often labeled). He performs rock, soul and funk music for those audiences as well, and no one thinks twice about it. I generally find it baffling what people presume a particular audience can handle, and the reasoning and rationales for that mode of thinking equally baffle me. It's hard to hear it and not draw troubling conclusions about individuals' views on stereotypes and societal conventions.

Thank you engaging and indulging me. A little intellectual back-and-forth never hurt nobody.

A little singing never hurt anybody either...oh wait, Prince was not singing that much either...let's see, let's make the concert less than two hours, let's shorten the lyrics to the song in a medley format...and...oh yeah, let me hold the microphone out to the auidence, let them sing a bit...

It was a good show, but his insistence on singing less than usual was annoying. He also hardly played any instruments other than guitar on a few songs.