Alot of good info in this thread I know we were all waiting for this thing to be released this summer,but I think it's a good idea to wait until November.They'll have plenty of time to work on it and give us something truly amazing! Plus,it will have stronger sales going into the holiday shopping season.Wise move.

treehouse said:

BartVanHemelen said:

It would be far better to have topics, e.g. one about the current tour that gets updated with additional dates and each update pointing to a relevant thread; ditto for the PR anniversary release, etcetera.

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They did attempt to make one master thread for the PR anniversary release, but this deserves it's own thread. Who wants to wade through 234874 posts? Thankfully this isn't Reddit.

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I didn't say anything about a master thread, which are indeed badly conceived monstrosities (because who in their right mind wants to plough through a dozen pages of mostly inane babblings). The home page should simply be a list of currently relevant topics, e.g. PR remaster (which needs to be separate from the new WB contract), current tour, etc, each with links to one or more relevant threads.

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And perhaps there should also be one single forum for news threads that gets policed harshly so the information in it is easily accessible and not polluted by irrelevant noise. But perhaps this would cause too much trouble WRT certain topics, e.g. a thread that mentions the facts WRT a current tour would be expected to be located in the tour forum, a thread about recent activities about an associate artist woudl be expected in that forum,...

stillwaiting said:

As far as the other poster saying that the orginal poster is never wrong?

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If that's directed at me: that's not what I said. I simply pointed out that the OP provided a news fact and the source for it. Is it unlikely? Sure. But stranger things have happened and there must be some reason for Fopp to announce that date.

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Sure, FOPP may be the best source of Prince release dates, but I'd bet that they are wrong this time.

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Nobody said so, but it has happened in the past that retailers were the first to break news about upcoming releases.

SoulAlive said:

Alot of good info in this thread I know we were all waiting for this thing to be released this summer,but I think it's a good idea to wait until November.They'll have plenty of time to work on it and give us something truly amazing! Plus,it will have stronger sales going into the holiday shopping season.Wise move.

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I'm just hoping there's a firm contract with Prince so the flighty bastard doesn't fuck this one up.

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November does make sense, but I'm wondering whether it is really a great idea to compete with so many other releases at that time. IMHO it wouldn't be worth it unless there'd be one hell of a box set, not some overpriced 3CD box. This is the first release in what hopefully would become a series of "definite" releases, and I'd hate for it to be underwhelming and disappointing.

bigd74 said:

Surely any kind of release with pristine versions of bootlegged songs is worth it isn't it? Electric Intercourse, extended Computer Blue and such like would be fine

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20 years ago perhaps, but today? IMHO there has to be something truly spectacular, because let's face it: there's a massive chance this is the last time you'll be able to buy PR in this form. You only need to look at how Prince has treated his post-WB output...

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It is still very easy to get things wrong. Just look at Peter Gabriel's So release from last year: expensive and incomplete, and including a DVD-version of a concert that was later released separately on Blu-ray. There was so much bad feedback from fans that Peter Gabriel posted an apology/explanation on his website.

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This is one of the reason why I've said previously that we needed to be on the third rounds of re-releases, not just so we'd get an upgrade in sound quality, but also so "mistakes" from previous editions could be corrected. Instead they're getting one shot at it, and that's it. And IMHO we're inevitably going to be disappointed, especially if this is going to be a mere 3CD set. Because let's face it, there's plenty of material that begs for release WRT PR, as evidenced in one of the several threads regarding this subject. And it would be nice to get things not just in CD-quality, but also high definition (e.g. Blu-ray audio).

BartVanHemelen said:

bigd74 said:

Surely any kind of release with pristine versions of bootlegged songs is worth it isn't it? Electric Intercourse, extended Computer Blue and such like would be fine

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20 years ago perhaps, but today? IMHO there has to be something truly spectacular, because let's face it: there's a massive chance this is the last time you'll be able to buy PR in this form. You only need to look at how Prince has treated his post-WB output...

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It is still very easy to get things wrong. Just look at Peter Gabriel's So release from last year: expensive and incomplete, and including a DVD-version of a concert that was later released separately on Blu-ray. There was so much bad feedback from fans that Peter Gabriel posted an apology/explanation on his website.

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This is one of the reason why I've said previously that we needed to be on the third rounds of re-releases, not just so we'd get an upgrade in sound quality, but also so "mistakes" from previous editions could be corrected. Instead they're getting one shot at it, and that's it. And IMHO we're inevitably going to be disappointed, especially if this is going to be a mere 3CD set. Because let's face it, there's plenty of material that begs for release WRT PR, as evidenced in one of the several threads regarding this subject. And it would be nice to get things not just in CD-quality, but also high definition (e.g. Blu-ray audio).

I totally agree with everything u say but please, remember that we all agreed to ban the expression "let's face it" from the Org. U used it twice, I almost died.

bigd74 said:

Surely any kind of release with pristine versions of bootlegged songs is worth it isn't it? Electric Intercourse, extended Computer Blue and such like would be fine

The main question is how many? With the excessive quantity of material (both outtakes and alternates) in the vault being quite well known thru both bootlegs and Uptown/Nilsen's research, r xpectations r high. Save a few (weird) folks who seem to claim they'll be content with 3 CD's full of already released material and Electric Intercourse, none of us and no music journalist as well will b satisfied with 5 outtakes including 3 that were already circulating in one form or another and 5 alternate versions of previously released track. I'd tend to say that the only way to make us happy would be 2 CD's exclusively made of outtakes/alternates PLUS the b-sides, remixes, live versions from the music videos, etc.. If we just get the b-sides and remixes that we already all have + 1 long Computer Blue, When Doves Cry with bass, G-Spot, Electric Intercourse and Wednesday it's not purple rain that's gonna fall on WB and Paisley Park, it's a purple shitstorm. It's not 1993 when we were content with a CD of edit versions of songs that were only available on rare and expensive vinyls at a time when most of us already didn't have a LP player anymore, and a few outtakes that we were so happy to have with a pristine sound because all the outtakes were 5th generation tapes with a terrible sound. With the internet and the second and third generation of (good then very good sounding) outtakes leaks we now have all the b-sides/remixes and most of the circulating outtakes on our hard drives and most of them with a very decent if not near perfect sound quality. Look at what happened with Crystal Ball as early as 1998. Had a similar collection been released in 1993 everyone would have raved about it. But after T's collection had started to leak and with most of the Gold/Come outtakes already in circulation or released in one form or another, everybody complained that CB made no sense at all. Truth is we already have SO MUCH Prince material in our hands, both official and unofficial, that we r somewhat spoiled and extremely demanding. Add to that 's extremely negative attitude towards his fandom (sites harrasments and suing fanblogs) and the long series of fiascos (Crystal Ball), rip-offs (lotusflow3r.com, lifetime NPGMC membership, the 1000 bucks Omnibus), cancellations (at least 15 projects have been announced then cancelled or aborted since 1998) and other disappointments we've been facing over the last 15 years and u have a fandom that won't forgive anything unless they get a royal treat. And and WB CAN give us a royal treat, but it'll have to be with more than 3 CD's and 5 unreleased tracks, no matter how much it costs.

databank said:

bigd74 said:

Surely any kind of release with pristine versions of bootlegged songs is worth it isn't it? Electric Intercourse, extended Computer Blue and such like would be fine

The main question is how many? With the excessive quantity of material (both outtakes and alternates) in the vault being quite well known thru both bootlegs and Uptown/Nilsen's research, r xpectations r high. Save a few (weird) folks who seem to claim they'll be content with 3 CD's full of already released material and Electric Intercourse, none of us and no music journalist as well will b satisfied with 5 outtakes including 3 that were already circulating in one form or another and 5 alternate versions of previously released track. I'd tend to say that the only way to make us happy would be 2 CD's exclusively made of outtakes/alternates PLUS the b-sides, remixes, live versions from the music videos, etc.. If we just get the b-sides and remixes that we already all have + 1 long Computer Blue, When Doves Cry with bass, G-Spot, Electric Intercourse and Wednesday it's not purple rain that's gonna fall on WB and Paisley Park, it's a purple shitstorm. It's not 1993 when we were content with a CD of edit versions of songs that were only available on rare and expensive vinyls at a time when most of us already didn't have a LP player anymore, and a few outtakes that we were so happy to have with a pristine sound because all the outtakes were 5th generation tapes with a terrible sound. With the internet and the second and third generation of (good then very good sounding) outtakes leaks we now have all the b-sides/remixes and most of the circulating outtakes on our hard drives and most of them with a very decent if not near perfect sound quality. Look at what happened with Crystal Ball as early as 1998. Had a similar collection been released in 1993 everyone would have raved about it. But after T's collection had started to leak and with most of the Gold/Come outtakes already in circulation or released in one form or another, everybody complained that CB made no sense at all. Truth is we already have SO MUCH Prince material in our hands, both official and unofficial, that we r somewhat spoiled and extremely demanding. Add to that 's extremely negative attitude towards his fandom (sites harrasments and suing fanblogs) and the long series of fiascos (Crystal Ball), rip-offs (lotusflow3r.com, lifetime NPGMC membership, the 1000 bucks Omnibus), cancellations (at least 15 projects have been announced then cancelled or aborted since 1998) and other disappointments we've been facing over the last 15 years and u have a fandom that won't forgive anything unless they get a royal treat. And and WB CAN give us a royal treat, but it'll have to be with more than 3 CD's and 5 unreleased tracks, no matter how much it costs.

But don't you think they all know that?

databank said:

And and WB CAN give us a royal treat, but it'll have to be with more than 3 CD's and 5 unreleased tracks, no matter how much it costs.

BartVanHemelen said:

bigd74 said:

Surely any kind of release with pristine versions of bootlegged songs is worth it isn't it? Electric Intercourse, extended Computer Blue and such like would be fine

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20 years ago perhaps, but today? IMHO there has to be something truly spectacular, because let's face it: there's a massive chance this is the last time you'll be able to buy PR in this form. You only need to look at how Prince has treated his post-WB output...

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It is still very easy to get things wrong. Just look at Peter Gabriel's So release from last year: expensive and incomplete, and including a DVD-version of a concert that was later released separately on Blu-ray. There was so much bad feedback from fans that Peter Gabriel posted an apology/explanation on his website.

.

This is one of the reason why I've said previously that we needed to be on the third rounds of re-releases, not just so we'd get an upgrade in sound quality, but also so "mistakes" from previous editions could be corrected. Instead they're getting one shot at it, and that's it. And IMHO we're inevitably going to be disappointed, especially if this is going to be a mere 3CD set. Because let's face it, there's plenty of material that begs for release WRT PR, as evidenced in one of the several threads regarding this subject. And it would be nice to get things not just in CD-quality, but also high definition (e.g. Blu-ray audio).

Jimmy Page on the other hand contacted super fans and asked if the songs for the reissues had been bootleged.

I just hope WB and Prince meant it when they said we would get "unheard" songs.

[Edited 6/3/14 4:05am]

tatocorcu said:

databank said:

The main question is how many? With the excessive quantity of material (both outtakes and alternates) in the vault being quite well known thru both bootlegs and Uptown/Nilsen's research, r xpectations r high. Save a few (weird) folks who seem to claim they'll be content with 3 CD's full of already released material and Electric Intercourse, none of us and no music journalist as well will b satisfied with 5 outtakes including 3 that were already circulating in one form or another and 5 alternate versions of previously released track. I'd tend to say that the only way to make us happy would be 2 CD's exclusively made of outtakes/alternates PLUS the b-sides, remixes, live versions from the music videos, etc.. If we just get the b-sides and remixes that we already all have + 1 long Computer Blue, When Doves Cry with bass, G-Spot, Electric Intercourse and Wednesday it's not purple rain that's gonna fall on WB and Paisley Park, it's a purple shitstorm. It's not 1993 when we were content with a CD of edit versions of songs that were only available on rare and expensive vinyls at a time when most of us already didn't have a LP player anymore, and a few outtakes that we were so happy to have with a pristine sound because all the outtakes were 5th generation tapes with a terrible sound. With the internet and the second and third generation of (good then very good sounding) outtakes leaks we now have all the b-sides/remixes and most of the circulating outtakes on our hard drives and most of them with a very decent if not near perfect sound quality. Look at what happened with Crystal Ball as early as 1998. Had a similar collection been released in 1993 everyone would have raved about it. But after T's collection had started to leak and with most of the Gold/Come outtakes already in circulation or released in one form or another, everybody complained that CB made no sense at all. Truth is we already have SO MUCH Prince material in our hands, both official and unofficial, that we r somewhat spoiled and extremely demanding. Add to that 's extremely negative attitude towards his fandom (sites harrasments and suing fanblogs) and the long series of fiascos (Crystal Ball), rip-offs (lotusflow3r.com, lifetime NPGMC membership, the 1000 bucks Omnibus), cancellations (at least 15 projects have been announced then cancelled or aborted since 1998) and other disappointments we've been facing over the last 15 years and u have a fandom that won't forgive anything unless they get a royal treat. And and WB CAN give us a royal treat, but it'll have to be with more than 3 CD's and 5 unreleased tracks, no matter how much it costs.

But don't you think they all know that?

Hell no! has lived in his purple world 4 2 long (Kevin Smith) or if he knows then he doesn't give a fuck what we think or feel or want or the whole lotusflow3r.com disaster at least would have been avoided, but honestly I think he didn't even understand y we were mad having 2 pay 77 bucks for a 10 bucks triple album, old videos that oughta been on YT 4 free and 5 unreleased videos on streaming, I wouldn't b surprised if in his purple dreamworld he sincerely thought it was a good deal and we were ungrateful little brats 2 complain about it (4 one thing 77 bucks r like what? 7 cents 4 him? Dude made his first million b4 he was 25!), so I wouldn't count on knowing what we want or caring about it 4 that matter.

As 4 WB, well, they haven't had anything 2 do with us in 18 years and I don't c WB execs (contrarly 2 's people) coming on this forum 2 feel the temperature. Sure they used 2 deal with fans on reissues projects but we ain't Davod Bowie, Madonna or Led Zep fans. We're the most demanding and ungrateful fans. Actually we're just as nuts and disconnected from the world as in a way, because no matter what he does, even when he will release a 4 CD-set, even when he's gonna treat us an album's worth of exclusive content every month for a very cheap 100 bucks a year (NPGMC year 1 was a great deal, the exact opposite of lf.com), even when he treats us with a 5 CD set's worth of FREE live material 2 b bootleged on streaming (2013), a huge majority of us with bash him and complain that either the music sucks or the lyrics suck or the attitude sucks or the way the music is distributed sucks or the communication campaign sucks or all that at the same time. I mean any other artists' fans would be in heaven if they had half of what we have if only in terms of quantity, but we just keep complaining and there's a new "let's face it" thread on the org every week or so. IDK what Peter Gabriel has done with his So remaster but it really must have been a major disaster for his fans to react the way they did.

So u c in the end WB is stuck between a disfunctional artist and a disfunctional fanbase and it's likely they'll get flamed by both sides in the end. They just won the lottery

[Edited 6/3/14 4:58am]

I have a feeling we are going to get Purple Rain Remastered packaged along with a brand new Prince album.

It will be old and new promotion

databank said:

tatocorcu said:

But don't you think they all know that?

Hell no! has lived in his purple world 4 2 long (Kevin Smith) or if he knows then he doesn't give a fuck what we think or feel or want or the whole lotusflow3r.com disaster at least would have been avoided, but honestly I think he didn't even understand y we were mad having 2 pay 77 bucks for a 10 bucks triple album, old videos that oughta been on YT 4 free and 5 unreleased videos on streaming, I wouldn't b surprised if in his purple dreamworld he sincerely thought it was a good deal and we were ungrateful little brats 2 complain about it (4 one thing 77 bucks r like what? 7 cents 4 him? Dude made his first million b4 he was 25!), so I wouldn't count on knowing what we want or caring about it 4 that matter.

As 4 WB, well, they haven't had anything 2 do with us in 18 years and I don't c WB execs (contrarly 2 's people) coming on this forum 2 feel the temperature. Sure they used 2 deal with fans on reissues projects but we ain't Davod Bowie, Madonna or Led Zep fans. We're the most demanding and ungrateful fans. Actually we're just as nuts and disconnected from the world as in a way, because no matter what he does, even when he will release a 4 CD-set, even when he's gonna treat us an album's worth of exclusive content every month for a very cheap 100 bucks a year (NPGMC year 1 was a great deal, the exact opposite of lf.com), even when he treats us with a 5 CD set's worth of FREE live material 2 b bootleged on streaming (2013), a huge majority of us with bash him and complain that either the music sucks or the lyrics suck or the attitude sucks or the way the music is distributed sucks or the communication campaign sucks or all that at the same time. I mean any other artists' fans would be in heaven if they had half of what we have if only in terms of quantity, but we just keep complaining and there's a new "let's face it" thread on the org every week or so. IDK what Peter Gabriel has done with his So remaster but it really must have been a major disaster for his fans to react the way they did.

So u c in the end WB is stuck between a disfunctional artist and a disfunctional fanbase and it's likely they'll get flamed by both sides in the end. They just won the lottery

[Edited 6/3/14 4:58am]

But WB are also a big company which for the first time in years have the opportunity of making a lot of money out of Prince's music, so they will definitely look at the best way to do it. If they get PR right the rest of the catalogue will probably follow. I am aware that no other album will get the same levelof interest, but if PR is a success story, 1999 and Sign of the Times will find their market. So I really think they'll do their homework before they release something that satisfies noone.

On the other hand Prince must be aware as well that his new songs in 3EG website sold very little and he needs as much exposure as he can get (at the moment only his live shows are getting it). So I think Prince will want this to work as well.

So, despite all the previous disappointments, I feel quite positive about this. There will be plenty of time to moan if they screw it up, but for the time being I can't see the point in assuming the worst.

Finally, about the 3 CDs - One for the remastered version of the album, another one for B sides, alternative and extended versions and one full of unreleased material. What would be wrong with that?

egansmind said:

egansmind said:

tatocorcu said:

databank said:

Hell no! has lived in his purple world 4 2 long (Kevin Smith) or if he knows then he doesn't give a fuck what we think or feel or want or the whole lotusflow3r.com disaster at least would have been avoided, but honestly I think he didn't even understand y we were mad having 2 pay 77 bucks for a 10 bucks triple album, old videos that oughta been on YT 4 free and 5 unreleased videos on streaming, I wouldn't b surprised if in his purple dreamworld he sincerely thought it was a good deal and we were ungrateful little brats 2 complain about it (4 one thing 77 bucks r like what? 7 cents 4 him? Dude made his first million b4 he was 25!), so I wouldn't count on knowing what we want or caring about it 4 that matter.

As 4 WB, well, they haven't had anything 2 do with us in 18 years and I don't c WB execs (contrarly 2 's people) coming on this forum 2 feel the temperature. Sure they used 2 deal with fans on reissues projects but we ain't Davod Bowie, Madonna or Led Zep fans. We're the most demanding and ungrateful fans. Actually we're just as nuts and disconnected from the world as in a way, because no matter what he does, even when he will release a 4 CD-set, even when he's gonna treat us an album's worth of exclusive content every month for a very cheap 100 bucks a year (NPGMC year 1 was a great deal, the exact opposite of lf.com), even when he treats us with a 5 CD set's worth of FREE live material 2 b bootleged on streaming (2013), a huge majority of us with bash him and complain that either the music sucks or the lyrics suck or the attitude sucks or the way the music is distributed sucks or the communication campaign sucks or all that at the same time. I mean any other artists' fans would be in heaven if they had half of what we have if only in terms of quantity, but we just keep complaining and there's a new "let's face it" thread on the org every week or so. IDK what Peter Gabriel has done with his So remaster but it really must have been a major disaster for his fans to react the way they did.

So u c in the end WB is stuck between a disfunctional artist and a disfunctional fanbase and it's likely they'll get flamed by both sides in the end. They just won the lottery

[Edited 6/3/14 4:58am]

But WB are also a big company which for the first time in years have the opportunity of making a lot of money out of Prince's music, so they will definitely look at the best way to do it. If they get PR right the rest of the catalogue will probably follow. I am aware that no other album will get the same levelof interest, but if PR is a success story, 1999 and Sign of the Times will find their market. So I really think they'll do their homework before they release something that satisfies noone.

On the other hand Prince must be aware as well that his new songs in 3EG website sold very little and he needs as much exposure as he can get (at the moment only his live shows are getting it). So I think Prince will want this to work as well.

So, despite all the previous disappointments, I feel quite positive about this. There will be plenty of time to moan if they screw it up, but for the time being I can't see the point in assuming the worst.

Finally, about the 3 CDs - One for the remastered version of the album, another one for B sides, alternative and extended versions and one full of unreleased material. What would be wrong with that?

Oh money will b made and there's a market 4 each and everyone of 's albums including the side projects (even though we may not get a deluxe 10 CD set for each and every one of 'em). I'm more concerned about a fans/press backlash that may end-up pissing WB and/or and contribute 2 making their business relationship go sour quicker than it should if the release is cheap or misconceived. And as Bart fears once it's out of WB's hands it may end up dying in the vault particularly if feels we're ungrateful and can't appreciate his cheap 2 CD sets with 2 outtakes. No more candy 4 u, that kind of thing I don't buy the censored lyrics theory but I sure buy the idea that may get pissed or bored with it and give up the whole program one minute after it started. That or, if contractual obligation gives WB the right 2 rerelease each album once b4 can leave with everything (and I think that's the deal), WB getting tired of bashing them and giving it all up after 3 albums, or both parties releasing cheap thrills with 2 outtakes in each reissue 2 get over it asap.

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Now I'm absolutely negative, I know, hopefully it's gonna be a beautiful thing, well done (with 6 months in the making that leaves a lot of time 4 them 2 think about it and ask many people's opinion about what should be there and how). U know it's just that tradition has of giving up ideas one minute after he had them AND getting mad at labels when sales don't fulfill his xpectations. I 4 one have been TOTALLY happy with his post WB music and still am to this day, it's more his business strategy, relationship with business partners and long-term interest in a proper archives program that I don't trust.

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What would b wrong with 3 CD's? Well, the fact that it could b 5, 7 or 10. There's enough material 4 that. I made a list in the original fantasy tracklist thread, it's a fantasy tracklist so take it 4 what it is but it shows that if we stick only to the Prince material (i.e. no Time, A6 and Dez) material associated with the PR project there's already 3 CD's worth of material just compiling previously released material + 2 more CD's if u add the audio of Syracuse (or any other full PR show) and 1 DVD with the video of it and music videos, to which I think 2 CD's of unreleased alternate takes and outtakes should be added, not only one, as well as the legendary 1983 show in both audio and video. I don't know what the price limit is 4 limited edition deluxe box sets is and therefore I'm not sure whether an 8 CD + 2 DVD package is reasonable or totally unprecedented in the music industry but the whole point is that even without any unreleased material and if u leave Syracuse apart as being a separate project (which it was in a way), there's already enough to fill those 3 CD's just with previously released material. 4 me 3 CD's anyway is a strict minimum (as u state the album + the b-sides/mixes + unreleased tracks, it's hard 2 do less than that). I would certainly go with that but considering that we've been waiting 4 2 decades 4 and WB to find a proper arrangement and start a proper archiving program, I think more can and should be done than the strict minimum

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Here's my dream tracklist 4 ur entertainment I know that most will think the 7'' edits and TV appearances may be superfluous but the idea is not just a cool compilation but also a proper, comprehensive archive project, i.e. if it was released if has to be there, period. The edits could be dropped and offered as digital downloads only, though, that would be, I guess, a decent compromise.

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CD 1: The Original Album

As such.

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CD 2-3: The Non-Album Tracks

Pt. 1: The B-Sides

- 17 Days (The Rain Will Come Down, Then U WIll Have 2 Choose If U Believe. Look 2 The Dawn And U SHall Never Lose)

- 3:55- Erotic City - 3:55

- God - 4:03

- Another Lonely Christmas - 4:51
Pt. 2: The 12'' Mixes

- Let's Go Crazy (Special Dance Mix) - 7:36

- Erotic City (Make Love Not War Erotic City Come Alive) - 7:26

- God (Intrumental - Love The From Purple Rain)

- 7:59- I Would Die 4 U (Extended Version (10:20)

- Another Lonely Christmas (Extended Version) - 6:53
Pt. 3: The 7'' Edits

- When Doves Cry - 3:49

- Let's Go Crazy (Edit) - 3:46

- Purple Rain - 4:02

- Purple Rain (Long Version) - 7:02

- Purple Rain (Radio Edit) - 4:19

- Purple Rain (7'' Edit) - 7:30

- Purple Rain (Long Radio Edit) - 5:37

- I Would Die 4 U - 2:57

- Take Me With U - 2:54

- Baby, I'm A Star - 2:49
Pt. 4: The Music Videos/Live Versions

- I Would Die 4 U - 4:34 [the stand-alone version]

- I Would Die 4 U - 4:34 [the one that segues into Baby , I'm A Star)

- Baby, I'm A Star - 13:04

- Take Me WIth U - 4:43
Pt. 5: The Live TV Broadcasts

- Delirious - ?? [a one minute-long snippet was sent to a local TV channel in November 1984, full version here]

- Purple Rain - 6:33 (American Music Awards)

- Baby, I'm A Star - 6:03 (Grammy Awards)

- Let's Go Crazy - ?? [a 30 seconds snippet was sent to Se7en WNEV and broadcast on 02/26/85, full version here]

- Delirious - ?? [a 30 seconds snippet was sent to Se7en WNEV and broadcast on 02/26/85, full version here]

- + a few possible TV promo live tracks that mas have escaped me.
Pt. 6: The Purple Rain Cues

Various short instrumental versions by Prince used in the movie, such as the 2 Purple Rain rerecordings.

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CD 4-5: The Unreleased

Two 80 minutes CD of PR-related unreleased tracks, including Possessed, Wednesday, Electric Intercourse, G-Spot (but that last one could be kept 4 a Jill Jones rerelease) and some of the long mixes/alternate takes, including at least one of the long versions of Computer Blue and the 30 mn version of IWD4U.

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CD 6-7: Prince And The Revolution: Double Live

An audio version of the Syracuse video album OR another full PR show.

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CD 8: The Historic First Avenue Concert

An audio version of the August, 1983 show (could be video only, though).

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DVD 1:

Prince And The Revolution: Double Live (Syracuse) + The Music Videos and TV Appearances.

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DVD 2:

The Historic First Avenue Concert.

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I know it ain't gonna be that big but u can't blame a fan 4 dreaming out loud

MIRvmn said:

egansmind said:

I have a feeling we are going to get Purple Rain Remastered packaged along with a brand new Prince album.

It will be old and new promotion

Yes that's what I think. Realising them separately at the same time will only lead to that people will chose the PR remaster over the new album

Naw, it's not 1992 anymore, the audience is waaaaaaay more limited than back then and therefore most of the target audience will be people who already have an interest in Prince in the first place. It's not gonna be Diamonds And Pearls with 500,000 fans and 5.5 millions casual listeners if u c what I mean. Music sales have dropped so significantly, 4 one thing at least half of the people who'd have bought either one of them or both 15 years ago will download them 4 free. So who's left? Fans who will buy both anyway, most of them in physical form. Funk or music afficionados with interest in Prince who still buy their music (physical or digital) and those will buy either one or the other or both depending on how interested they r in remasters/outtakes if they already have PR or whether they just care about the new album. Purple Rain nostalgics who don't have the album anymore or never had it and will mostly purchase the cheap 1 CD version 4 the sake of nostalgia in either phsyical or digital form. And the usual percentage of casual listeners who still buy their music and will be curious about it or like a song from either one or another of the projects and give Prince a chance. + basically, since digital sales are now bigger than physical it's very likely that fans will mostly buy the physical deluxe version of PR and the new album, while a huge percentage of the others will most likely get the digital version of the album they want. Many will also only purchase a couple of singles they like or have heard on the radio. What I mean is that while being much more limited than before the reduced audience that's left is also, by definition, much more specialized and interested than before, and the ways of purchasing the music are also much more diversified than b4 (digital, CD, vinyl + full album or selected songs). Therefore in that context I don't think 2 projects such as a remaster ans a new album compete each other anymore, they will more likely contribute publicizing each other and attract people's attention in a world where it's quite hard to do that since the diversity of material played by radios and music TV channels is about 10% of what it was 20 years ago (now the same 20 songs will rotate all day long on MTV while at the time they'd air 100+ different songs every day). The only risk would be that the new album is perceived by critics and casual listeners as being really bad particularly when compared to PR, but when u c how appealing albums like Musicology or 3121 were to non fans back then (I've tested them intensively back them and non fans/casual listeners like them waaaay more than PR, 1999 or SOTT which sound way too dated or way too weird to their ears) I trust won't take no risk and release an easy listening album that will be accessible enough to please everyone.

databank said:

CD 1: The Original Album

As such.

[snippp...]

DVD 2:

The Historic First Avenue Concert.

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I know it ain't gonna be that big but u can't blame a fan 4 dreaming out loud

Yet it all sounds kinda reasonable and convincing, but indeed it will be too big for musicbiz as it is.

Too hard to sell.

databank said:

tatocorcu said:

But WB are also a big company which for the first time in years have the opportunity of making a lot of money out of Prince's music, so they will definitely look at the best way to do it. If they get PR right the rest of the catalogue will probably follow. I am aware that no other album will get the same levelof interest, but if PR is a success story, 1999 and Sign of the Times will find their market. So I really think they'll do their homework before they release something that satisfies noone.

On the other hand Prince must be aware as well that his new songs in 3EG website sold very little and he needs as much exposure as he can get (at the moment only his live shows are getting it). So I think Prince will want this to work as well.

So, despite all the previous disappointments, I feel quite positive about this. There will be plenty of time to moan if they screw it up, but for the time being I can't see the point in assuming the worst.

Finally, about the 3 CDs - One for the remastered version of the album, another one for B sides, alternative and extended versions and one full of unreleased material. What would be wrong with that?

Oh money will b made and there's a market 4 each and everyone of 's albums including the side projects (even though we may not get a deluxe 10 CD set for each and every one of 'em). I'm more concerned about a fans/press backlash that may end-up pissing WB and/or and contribute 2 making their business relationship go sour quicker than it should if the release is cheap or misconceived. And as Bart fears once it's out of WB's hands it may end up dying in the vault particularly if feels we're ungrateful and can't appreciate his cheap 2 CD sets with 2 outtakes. No more candy 4 u, that kind of thing I don't buy the censored lyrics theory but I sure buy the idea that may get pissed or bored with it and give up the whole program one minute after it started. That or, if contractual obligation gives WB the right 2 rerelease each album once b4 can leave with everything (and I think that's the deal), WB getting tired of bashing them and giving it all up after 3 albums, or both parties releasing cheap thrills with 2 outtakes in each reissue 2 get over it asap.

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Now I'm absolutely negative, I know, hopefully it's gonna be a beautiful thing, well done (with 6 months in the making that leaves a lot of time 4 them 2 think about it and ask many people's opinion about what should be there and how). U know it's just that tradition has of giving up ideas one minute after he had them AND getting mad at labels when sales don't fulfill his xpectations. I 4 one have been TOTALLY happy with his post WB music and still am to this day, it's more his business strategy, relationship with business partners and long-term interest in a proper archives program that I don't trust.

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What would b wrong with 3 CD's? Well, the fact that it could b 5, 7 or 10. There's enough material 4 that. I made a list in the original fantasy tracklist thread, it's a fantasy tracklist so take it 4 what it is but it shows that if we stick only to the Prince material (i.e. no Time, A6 and Dez) material associated with the PR project there's already 3 CD's worth of material just compiling previously released material + 2 more CD's if u add the audio of Syracuse (or any other full PR show) and 1 DVD with the video of it and music videos, to which I think 2 CD's of unreleased alternate takes and outtakes should be added, not only one, as well as the legendary 1983 show in both audio and video. I don't know what the price limit is 4 limited edition deluxe box sets is and therefore I'm not sure whether an 8 CD + 2 DVD package is reasonable or totally unprecedented in the music industry but the whole point is that even without any unreleased material and if u leave Syracuse apart as being a separate project (which it was in a way), there's already enough to fill those 3 CD's just with previously released material. 4 me 3 CD's anyway is a strict minimum (as u state the album + the b-sides/mixes + unreleased tracks, it's hard 2 do less than that). I would certainly go with that but considering that we've been waiting 4 2 decades 4 and WB to find a proper arrangement and start a proper archiving program, I think more can and should be done than the strict minimum

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Here's my dream tracklist 4 ur entertainment I know that most will think the 7'' edits and TV appearances may be superfluous but the idea is not just a cool compilation but also a proper, comprehensive archive project, i.e. if it was released if has to be there, period. The edits could be dropped and offered as digital downloads only, though, that would be, I guess, a decent compromise.

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CD 1: The Original Album

As such.

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CD 2-3: The Non-Album Tracks

Pt. 1: The B-Sides

- 17 Days (The Rain Will Come Down, Then U WIll Have 2 Choose If U Believe. Look 2 The Dawn And U SHall Never Lose)

- 3:55- Erotic City - 3:55

- God - 4:03

- Another Lonely Christmas - 4:51
Pt. 2: The 12'' Mixes

- Let's Go Crazy (Special Dance Mix) - 7:36

- Erotic City (Make Love Not War Erotic City Come Alive) - 7:26

- God (Intrumental - Love The From Purple Rain)

- 7:59- I Would Die 4 U (Extended Version (10:20)

- Another Lonely Christmas (Extended Version) - 6:53
Pt. 3: The 7'' Edits

- When Doves Cry - 3:49

- Let's Go Crazy (Edit) - 3:46

- Purple Rain - 4:02

- Purple Rain (Long Version) - 7:02

- Purple Rain (Radio Edit) - 4:19

- Purple Rain (7'' Edit) - 7:30

- Purple Rain (Long Radio Edit) - 5:37

- I Would Die 4 U - 2:57

- Take Me With U - 2:54

- Baby, I'm A Star - 2:49
Pt. 4: The Music Videos/Live Versions

- I Would Die 4 U - 4:34 [the stand-alone version]

- I Would Die 4 U - 4:34 [the one that segues into Baby , I'm A Star)

- Baby, I'm A Star - 13:04

- Take Me WIth U - 4:43
Pt. 5: The Live TV Broadcasts

- Delirious - ?? [a one minute-long snippet was sent to a local TV channel in November 1984, full version here]

- Purple Rain - 6:33 (American Music Awards)

- Baby, I'm A Star - 6:03 (Grammy Awards)

- Let's Go Crazy - ?? [a 30 seconds snippet was sent to Se7en WNEV and broadcast on 02/26/85, full version here]

- Delirious - ?? [a 30 seconds snippet was sent to Se7en WNEV and broadcast on 02/26/85, full version here]

- + a few possible TV promo live tracks that mas have escaped me.
Pt. 6: The Purple Rain Cues

Various short instrumental versions by Prince used in the movie, such as the 2 Purple Rain rerecordings.

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CD 4-5: The Unreleased

Two 80 minutes CD of PR-related unreleased tracks, including Possessed, Wednesday, Electric Intercourse, G-Spot (but that last one could be kept 4 a Jill Jones rerelease) and some of the long mixes/alternate takes, including at least one of the long versions of Computer Blue and the 30 mn version of IWD4U.

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CD 6-7: Prince And The Revolution: Double Live

An audio version of the Syracuse video album OR another full PR show.

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CD 8: The Historic First Avenue Concert

An audio version of the August, 1983 show (could be video only, though).

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DVD 1:

Prince And The Revolution: Double Live (Syracuse) + The Music Videos and TV Appearances.

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DVD 2:

The Historic First Avenue Concert.

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I know it ain't gonna be that big but u can't blame a fan 4 dreaming out loud

This would be a great box set, but if they do one, I bet it will be a little less stuff in it.

BartVanHemelen said:

I didn't say anything about a master thread, which are indeed badly conceived monstrosities (because who in their right mind wants to plough through a dozen pages of mostly inane babblings). The home page should simply be a list of currently relevant topics, e.g. PR remaster (which needs to be separate from the new WB contract), current tour, etc, each with links to one or more relevant threads.

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Gotcha. I wouldn't mind sub sections, but I don't think there are enough threads here to really warrant it. Unless the point is to expose the pedantic nature of individual threads, and how thin activity can be on certain topics, I'm not sure a general pool of topics can be improved on. The fanbase is really polarized over a lot of issues already, so adding moderation strikes me as trouble...and the moderators combining threads on the Reissue made things even harder to follow...but now I understand you're not looking for that either.

...you'll get what you get and nothing is going to change that. Funnel energy elsewhere, so many things to be glad about.

Never let that lonely monster take control of u. Be glad that u r free...

T

Oh, god.

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BartVanHemelen said:

stillwaiting said:

As far as the other poster saying that the orginal poster is never wrong?

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If that's directed at me: that's not what I said. I simply pointed out that the OP provided a news fact and the source for it. Is it unlikely? Sure. But stranger things have happened and there must be some reason for Fopp to announce that date.

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No, it wasn't directed at you, so I'll direct this at you: I'm fascinated that someone with your knowledge and perceived intelligence would look at that poster, that a 9 year old could make, and thought there was at least a 1 percent chance a June 16th release date was possible. Like others said, Amazon would have pre-release info, and others. This 9 store powerhouse chain likely just either screwed up, or had an over excited Prince fan working there, as somebody else pointed out. Hell, it still could come out June 16th, but I'd say there is a better chance the USA wins the World Cup. (I have no knowledge of European Football, so if the World Cup is over, make up your own joke.)

So one small store, or chain of stores, says this is coming out on June 16...but no other source can verify it, nevertheless lots of people are all excited about it. Have I got that right?

databank said:

Look at what happened with Crystal Ball as early as 1998. Had a similar collection been released in 1993 everyone would have raved about it. But after T's collection had started to leak and with most of the Gold/Come outtakes already in circulation or released in one form or another, everybody complained that CB made no sense at all.

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Less those things, and more that CB was 45 minutes per CD (i.e. two CDs of material spread over three), segued completely incompatible songs, contained mediocre remixes of not great tracks, contained an edited version of an already released track. And it didn't help that it basically was a grabbag of seemingly random tracks, at a time when thematic bootlegs became the norm.

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The online booklet didn't help. Being released so long after being announced didn't help. Appearing in shops before being shipped didn't help. The general incompetence of 1-800-New-Funk didn't help. The obnoxious tone of L4OA didn't help ("naysayers will eat words on toast").

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But it didn't help that plenty of its contents were already widely known, so we knew what we weren't getting, yeah.

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Plus we'd gotten The Hits/The B-Sides less than five years before, and that one was a fantastic accomplishment despite being a collection of things we (mostly) already had.

databank said:

NPGMC year 1 was a great deal, the exact opposite of lf.com

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Most months NPGMC year one didn't deliver on the contractually obliged minimum for premium subscribers.

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IDK what Peter Gabriel has done with his So remaster but it really must have been a major disaster for his fans to react the way they did.

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The biggest flaw was not including any of the (released!) remixes/edits on a fairly expensive box set, and also including a DVD of a live video that later was released on Blu-ray. Read these in this order:

http://www.superdeluxeedi...-official/

http://www.superdeluxeedi...turing-so/

http://www.superdeluxeedi...criticism/

http://www.superdeluxeedi...r-gabriel/

http://www.superdeluxeedi...e-box-set/

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Not a pretty sight, and then to top it all off, recently a new and previously unrelease remix of "Sledgehammer" appeared on a compilation album: http://www.superdeluxeedi...mix-on-cd/

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And there's the case of the recent Robert Palmer reissues, which seem to have been sourced from MP3s. When the record label was confronted with these findings, they basically responded "why are you ungrateful brats not happy that our company is spending all this effort re-releasing this shit?"

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And then there's the case of the recent Tabu-catalogue reissues using remixes and extended versions ripped from vinyl because they couldn't find the original master tapes. Which is bad enough, but they didn't tell anybody beforehand and remained uncommunicative on this subject until much later. Oh, and to top it all off: they recently did locate some of those master tapes, so now the box set releases (where multiple albums from one artist are gathered in one box) will contain NEW CDs with some vinyl rips now being replaced with proper, sourced from the master tapes tracks.

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And there's the case of the technical flaws WRT the Star Trek: The Next Generation Blu-rays. And the bad colors on the Lord Of The Rings Blu-rays.

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So yeah, even in recent years some companies and artists manage to seriously screw up re-releases and deluxe sets.

CandaceS said:

stillwaiting said:

No, it wasn't directed at you, so I'll direct this at you: I'm fascinated that someone with your knowledge and perceived intelligence would look at that poster, that a 9 year old could make, and thought there was at least a 1 percent chance a June 16th release date was possible.

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Sheesh, ALL of such posters are quick "let's print a picture and scribble some info on there" items. My local comic store announces future releases on a blackboard, and yet they still are correct. Did I think such a release date was possible or even likely? Not really, but stranger things have happened (*). Of course, as time went on and confirmation elsewhere didn't come etc. this piece of info was less and less likely, but the title of the thread does have three question marks.

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(*) Did ya know that NPS was promised to THREE separate distributors in Europe? My local record store told me that he received a visit from three different sales reps, each telling him they were the company that was gonna release Prince's NPS. And this was mere weeks before the release!

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And all of this doesn't change the fact that one fan stumbled upon a new fact and reported it here. Should that fact be scrutinzed? Sure, but instead we got this thread. IMHO the original poster provided an excellent news item: not just reporting what he saw, but providing a clear and verifiable source. Reactions like "that poster, that a 9 year old could make" merely point out that YOU don't know how such promo is done, it doesn't say anything about the validity of the info.

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The question remains: why would Fopp put up such a poster and apparently semi-confirm the info on Twitter? What do they stand to gain?