This sort of would make sense if Prince was a closet Tackhead freak.

I wonder if we can find the exact song Keith is talking about.

I'm listening to Keith's solo album from 86 and one of these beats sounds like Housequake.

Honestly though, they didn't have anything that was easy to find until 1985 but they've taken credit for being the ones to do the knock off of Liquid Liquid's Cavern for White Lines, so that would be some Karma.

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I guess the minimal drums with all the echo or reverb or whatever was distinctive enough that they deserve to be paranoid about who was borrowing from them. Then again it seems to me Def Jam and others probably gave Tackhead a blueprint of sorts.

treehouse said:

Honestly though, they didn't have anything that was easy to find until 1985 but they've taken credit for being the ones to do the knock off of Liquid Liquid's Cavern for White Lines, so that would be some Karma.

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I guess the minimal drums with all the echo or reverb or whatever was distinctive enough that they deserve to be paranoid about who was borrowing from them. Then again it seems to me Def Jam and others probably gave Tackhead a blueprint of sorts.

I think Def Jam was well aware of Keith Leblanc. So I'm sure Rick Rubin & Co. was up on Leblanc. I wouldn't doubt if Leblanc was in a studio w/ several Def Jam producers who listened to his advice. I think Keith probably could track back who was iistening to him when he released his projects. I find it interesting what he said about Trent Reznor at first. Keith was integral into Pretty Hate Machine launching to a success on TVT.

Trickology said:

I think Def Jam was well aware of Keith Leblanc. So I'm sure Rick Rubin & Co. was up on Leblanc.

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Leblanc was imitating the beatbox machines (like a Vox Percussion King and later the DMX) DJ's of the time were using live, hand tapping beats with the heavy, heavy echo.

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Grandmaster Flash would be the most well known because he released "Flash it to the beat" using one, but they were common. Prince would have probably heard this before Tackhead.

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Rick Rubin's role in early Def Jam production is overstated. Jazzy Jay was doing their production and he was a Zulu Nation Bambaata DJ using Kraftwerk and that kind of stuff, but more importantly, they were also using Billy Squier's Big Beat AND Cerrone's "Rocket in the Pocket" intro from the live version. Prince would have probably heard both of those too, but maybe not in a looped Hip Hop context.

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So it's likely Leblanc would have met them before working together during Soulsonic Force/Bambaata sessions for Tommy Boy, and actually Rick Rubin is credit with a really amateurish track on the same comp Leblanc has a track on called Masters of the Beat in 1985. When I think about what Prince was doing in 1985 with industrial sounds, loops, and drum machines though....

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hey, did not know Doug Wimbish was with Tackhead, no wonder I used to like them

and this....

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which song has the beat like Housequake?

ufoclub said:

which song has the beat like Housequake?

Yes, I too would like to know this

Nine Inch Nails - yes. Prince? Not so sure. But whatever all I know is I'm enjoying the shit out of this........

3rdeyedude said:

Nine Inch Nails - yes. Prince? Not so sure. But whatever all I know is I'm enjoying the shit out of this........

Yeah! I really like this too. Kind of the direction I would want Prince to take: Extend the sampler set, go solo, create beats and loops on the spot, mix it up, do mashups. I want the mad professor, the crazy studio wizard.

3rdeyedude said:

Nine Inch Nails - yes. Prince? Not so sure. But whatever all I know is I'm enjoying the shit out of this........

The beat starting at the 5 minute mark sounds a bit like housequake

dandan said:

The beat starting at the 5 minute mark sounds a bit like housequake

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Aren't those just really generic rock drums?

treehouse said:

dandan said:

The beat starting at the 5 minute mark sounds a bit like housequake

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Aren't those just really generic rock drums?

I meant more around 5:10 actually. Should of been a bit clearer. It's just the kick pattern is quite distintive and reminds me of Housequake.

dandan said:

I meant more around 5:10 actually. Should of been a bit clearer. It's just the kick pattern is quite distintive and reminds me of Housequake.

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Oh yeah, I kinda hear it, but those pattern itself isn't too distinctive to me, he's just playing rock breaks and some drum school practice patterns. It kind of reminds me of the Long Red break by Mountain (it's in the intro). It's still rare even today to hear live drums with samples though.