Tempest said:

Militant said:

Enough with the "Mayte is crazy" and the nonsensical religious talk. Wanna make a thread about your opinion of Mayte? Take it to Associated. Wanna harp on about whatever fictional deity that was arbitraily handed to you based on your culture or where you were born? Take it to Politics and Religion.

This thread is about the previously unknown information that has been revealed here. It's shocking, tragic and heartbreaking, and as Prince fans, it makes us empathize with some of the struggles and pain of our favorite artist. If you don't agree with it being posted, then don't bother posting. Your complaining is nothing more than a useless whine.

From a few personal interactions I've had with her, Mayte seems wonderful, beautiful and compassionate. Her work in sheltering and finding homes for abused animals is proof enough of her loving nature. I wish her all the happiness in the world.

So, why did you post this nonsensical thread in Prince music?

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What has this stupid thread got to do with Prince's music?

Can you read? The forum is called Prince : Music and More.

"Prince: Music and More"

Perhaps, if you have trouble reading more than two words consecutively, you might not understand how the loss of two children might be significant enough to fit under "and More," or how it might have impacted subsequent actions or attitudes. It seems like a perfectly justified inclusion in the forums as currently defined. The thread's not about Mayte, but about events that involved her and Prince, and it's here because of Prince. If she'd lost a child with someone else, it would have been in the associated forum.

But, whatever.

The fact is, it affected Prince, and affected his music. If you're going to talk about his childhood, or even the fact that he's from Minnesota--neither one of those is "his music." His friendships or the nature of his relationships with any of his collaborators--hey, nothing except the notes played need to be addressed, apparently. The sources for his lyrics? The connecting thoughts between the songs? Hey, leave those out too. It's all about the music, not the man who created it, or the world and people and events that shaped both him and the music.

The original thread was not cruel, mean, or out of line. Someone decided to try to hijack it, but that's not the OP's fault. In my opinion.

Oh, Militant posted while I was posting this--so he beat me to forum name thing.

[Edited 5/10/14 15:35pm]

Militant said:

Tempest said:

So, why did you post this nonsensical thread in Prince music?

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What has this stupid thread got to do with Prince's music?

Can you read? The forum is called Prince : Music and More.

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Well, if that's the criteria one can use for "more", then I say my opinion of the situation, Mayte, the dead kid & the endless drama surrounding the dead kid, are relevant too. Why wouldn't they be? Doesn't that qualify as "more"?

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[Mod Edit - This is all total troll bait. Keep posting your nonsense and I will keep deleting it. Actually, don't. Unless you're looking for a ban - Militant]

Militant said:

EddieC said:

"Prince: Music and More"

Perhaps, if you have trouble reading more than two words consecutively, you might not understand how the loss of two children might be significant enough to fit under "and More," or how it might have impacted subsequent actions or attitudes. It seems like a perfectly justified inclusion in the forums as currently defined. The thread's not about Mayte, but about events that involved her and Prince, and it's here because of Prince. If she'd lost a child with someone else, it would have been in the associated forum.

But, whatever.

The fact is, it affected Prince, and affected his music. If you're going to talk about his childhood, or even the fact that he's from Minnesota--neither one of those is "his music." His friendships or the nature of his relationships with any of his collaborators--hey, nothing except the notes played need to be addressed, apparently. The sources for his lyrics? The connecting thoughts between the songs? Hey, leave those out too. It's all about the music, not the man who created it, or the world and people and events that shaped both him and the music.

The original thread was not cruel, mean, or out of line. Someone decided to try to hijack it, but that's not the OP's fault. In my opinion.

Oh, Militant posted while I was posting this--so he beat me to forum name thing.

[Edited 5/10/14 15:35pm]

Thanks brother. Well said.

As far as people saying it's inappropriate or whatever, Mayte is the one who has disclosed this information in a public setting. This is new information that hasn't been written about in any Prince biographies. It sheds new light on the dissolution of their marriage, the effect on his songwriting, and the possibility of it being something that led him down a more spiritual path. It's clearly a significant personal event, and simply because it's a tragic and heartbreaking one doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it. Nobody has any issue discussing his two divorces, or his experiments with drugs, etc. If people are trying to put themselves in his shoes - it seems far more likely that he'll be upset about Mayte disclosing the information rather than other people then discussing what's been disclosed.

If trolls want to hijack the topic with nonsense, that's what moderation is for, and why I posted a warning. Attacking Mayte is off topic. That's the part that I find inappropriate.

Militant said:

Enough with the "Mayte is crazy" and the nonsensical religious talk. Wanna make a thread about your opinion of Mayte? Take it to Associated. Wanna harp on about whatever fictional deity that was arbitraily handed to you based on your culture or where you were born? Take it to Politics and Religion.

This thread is about the previously unknown information that has been revealed here. It's shocking, tragic and heartbreaking, and as Prince fans, it makes us empathize with some of the struggles and pain of our favorite artist. If you don't agree with it being posted, then don't bother posting. Your complaining is nothing more than a useless whine.

From a few personal interactions I've had with her, Mayte seems wonderful, beautiful and compassionate. Her work in sheltering and finding homes for abused animals is proof enough of her loving nature. I wish her all the happiness in the world.

I posted my opinion of this thread. My opinion is that it is not a useless whine. For people who claim to love an artist as much as you all do, it boggles the mind that you all would continue to harp on a subject that has to be painful for him.

[Mod edit - One more off topic bash/insult, and you will be banned. Final warning - Militant]

Stymie said:

Militant said:

Enough with the "Mayte is crazy" and the nonsensical religious talk. Wanna make a thread about your opinion of Mayte? Take it to Associated. Wanna harp on about whatever fictional deity that was arbitraily handed to you based on your culture or where you were born? Take it to Politics and Religion.

This thread is about the previously unknown information that has been revealed here. It's shocking, tragic and heartbreaking, and as Prince fans, it makes us empathize with some of the struggles and pain of our favorite artist. If you don't agree with it being posted, then don't bother posting. Your complaining is nothing more than a useless whine.

From a few personal interactions I've had with her, Mayte seems wonderful, beautiful and compassionate. Her work in sheltering and finding homes for abused animals is proof enough of her loving nature. I wish her all the happiness in the world.

I posted my opinion of this thread. My opinion is that it is not a useless whine. For people who claim to love an artist as much as you all do, it boggles the mind that you all would continue to harp on a subject that has to be painful for him.

Prince isn't here, reading this.

And if he was - this isn't new information for him, is it? It happened TO him. Almost 20 years ago. It's not something he's likely to forget about. Like I said - if he's going to be upset with anyone, he's going be upset about Mayte disclosing the information. This is historically relevant information for biographers, and worth discussing - albeit in a sensible, contextually aware manner, without the thread being derailed by trolls, which unfortunately seems to be what's happening here.

Since it seems a few people have no class, no civility, no tact and no compassion for a sensitive subject that could have been discussed in a perfectly mature and historical manner, I think we're done here.

But, for what it's worth, I believe a discussion forum is essentially the concept of developing a shared biographical fan experience that covers every aspect of someone's life - from the silly/ridiculous, to the tragic, to the in depth study of the work, to asking questions. A few years spent on the org is an infinitely more rewarding experience than reading any Prince biography that's out there - and it allows you to understand art and history on a deeper level than just one writer's opinion, or your own emotional reaction to music that you like.

So just because something may be painful, doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it. If anything, it's one of the most significant events and therefore incredibly valid to discuss. On a more professional and superficial level, I'm sure getting booed off stage at the Rolling Stones concert was an incredibly "painful" experience for Prince and the early Revolution band, but that's certainly an event worth discussing and understanding in a historical concept. We can't run or hide from tragedy. We can't pretend they don't impact someone in an incredibly profound way.