Even though I know there's enough in the vault for BOTH, I realize I'd rather have Prince add a few outtakes and alternate mixes with the remasters (and his renditions of the songs on the side-projects of course) and start a "vault "series of sorts that would consist of thematic albums from a certain era, with a cohesive sound and a real sense of being an album more than a mere compilation, a bit like what he did The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale which was a collection of songs from 1990 to 1996 but formed a very cohesive ensemble. We could then get "sister" albums to 1999 or Parade, as well as albums of completely unexpected material (as well as long overdue cancelled side-projects such as The Flesh, Madhouse 24 1 & 2, Margie Cox, etc.).

Would u like that or would u rather have a full load of outtakes in deluxe box-sets alongside your remasters?

I'd like the deluxe sets. But I really don't know what to expect. So far we know we're getting a PR deluxe, but other than that?

I'd expect every album remastered for sure but as for deluxe versions of everything I wouldn't expect much past 1999 and SOTT. For me anything more that emerges from this deal would be a bonus, I have high hopes but very low expectations.

I would much rather have thematic separate albums of outtakes, sequenced like an album. I think the songs would be more appreaciated and more enjoyable to listen to that way. I know I'd enjoy them more that way.

thisisreece said:

errant said:

thisisreece said:

I would much rather have thematic separate albums of outtakes, sequenced like an album. I think the songs would be more appreaciated and more enjoyable to listen to that way. I know I'd enjoy them more that way.

For every Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale in him, there's a 1997 Crystal Ball rattling around in his head too. I think it'll be safer to have outtakes included with the remasters. Less chance of editing or changing things if he doesn't feel the need to "craft" them into albums. Also better chance of more eras being represented.

IDK about that: CB was voluntarly a messy collection, to toy with the "bootleg" aspect of it, and also because it was a first. Anyway I've always likes CB, surprisingly I find the sequencing of the 3 CD's to work admirably and P could of course at some point be tempted of releasing another massive and messy box-set like that, but my suggestion was really thematic albums not huge collections of outtakes. I for one wouldn't probably end-up listening to remasters outtakes so much if they're just a few random tracks mixed with the albums and b-sides/extended mixes, for I'm an album guy and I hardly ever listen to solo songs. I've not listened to the songs that have leaked in 2012 so much (The Line, Our Destiny, etc.). I LOVE these tracks but the fact that they're just random solo mp3 files on my computer makes me listen to them quite rarely.

I'd like to see Thematic albums.

First off somehing like this would be cool.

Prince And The Revolution

The Dance Electric

Our Destiny

Roadhouse Garden

Electric Intercourse

Traffic Jam

All Day, All Night

Love And Sex

Feline

Electrocution

The Dance Electric.

Put together as if it were an album released circa 1984/1985.

[Edited 4/22/14 10:44am]

Outtakes organised chronologically by session. I love a good mix as much as the next person but lets not try rewrite history and create pretend 'albums'. We've already had quality via the official albums, now give us quantity. Let us do the sorting.

[Edited 4/22/14 11:38am]

databank - I am with you (I think). My wishlist would be along these lines...

Each WB album released in fairly short succession as a remastered 2 CD deluxe edition with:

CD1 - Original album remstered

CD2 - B-sides, released Extended/12" versions, unreleased Alternate versions (ie the original longer Computer Blue) - I don't need the single Edits, save those for a Greatest Hits package.

AND...

"Vault" releases as per your suggestion, ie themed to sound right together (ideally recorded around a similar period - such as only Revolution era or only NPG era etc). In other words they would work as fairly cohesive albums with a simlar sound AND be plausible from a time of recording point of view (maybe a tall order to achieve both).

AND...

Some soundboard "LIVE" albums please to represent each tour!

Many artists have lost tons by having too much product out there for remasters. I'd rather just have Super Deluxe versions of all the eras, and maybe smaller 2 disc sets of the big sellers like Purple Rain for the more casual fan..

1976-1983

1984-1988

1989-1994

1995-2004

2005-2014

Each Super Deluxe could be 5-10 CD or even more...throw in 2-4 DVD.

Plus 2 Disc smaller versions of

Purple Rain, 1999, SOTT, DAP

And maybe work out something with the Batman people for a single disc remaster

Yes, this is my usual over the top pipe dream. It will never happen, but it would be nice to have his entire career in five HUGE sets with all the videos, multiple live DVD....

i am starting to wonder if this will be prince final disappointment .. obviously so much potential here but if crystal ball or even the mastering on the breakdown are any indication of how this will all 'really' go .. this whole project may go down like a 'wedding feast' of how far prince can drop a ball ..

is it possible the remaster could ruin the classic prince sound?

is it possible darling nikki wont be on it?

is it possible he will in no way open up his precious vault and simply include the b sides found on the hits package years ago and still refer to them as 'unheard'?

is it possible the 'unheard' songs are some form of new age rapping version of a PR classic or a 3rd eye reloaded slowed down snoozefest?

is it possble the sexual words on his dirty songs will be turned backwards and ruin the entire recording?

is it possible PR will be the ONLY remaster?

mmmmmmaybe .. I guess Prince hasn't beaten every notion of an enjoyable prince release out of me with 20 years of pure garbage .. other than that one maybe I am keeping my expecatations way way way low .. it is the only way to survive being a prince fan these days .. maybe he will surprise us with one little nugget of something in all this .. obviously he could blow all our minds .. but he could have done that for the last 20 years too and he didn't .. so why start now .. if this is a quick cash grab for prince to pump into his next 3rd eye level failure, we are all doomed .. if for some reason he wants to let the vault fly free, that would be something truly special .. I don't believe it till I see it ... until then I won't be filling my head with too many more daydreams about what this could be .. a brickwalled purple shitstorm is highly likely with his track record these days

databank said:

errant said:

thisisreece said: For every Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale in him, there's a 1997 Crystal Ball rattling around in his head too. I think it'll be safer to have outtakes included with the remasters. Less chance of editing or changing things if he doesn't feel the need to "craft" them into albums. Also better chance of more eras being represented.

IDK about that: CB was voluntarly a messy collection, to toy with the "bootleg" aspect of it, and also because it was a first. Anyway I've always likes CB, surprisingly I find the sequencing of the 3 CD's to work admirably and P could of course at some point be tempted of releasing another massive and messy box-set like that, but my suggestion was really thematic albums not huge collections of outtakes. I for one wouldn't probably end-up listening to remasters outtakes so much if they're just a few random tracks mixed with the albums and b-sides/extended mixes, for I'm an album guy and I hardly ever listen to solo songs. I've not listened to the songs that have leaked in 2012 so much (The Line, Our Destiny, etc.). I LOVE these tracks but the fact that they're just random solo mp3 files on my computer makes me listen to them quite rarely.

I don't find the Crystal Ball set cohesive at all. Also, many of the songs are criminally overlooked and deserve to be on a properly realised and sequenced album. The title track is one of Prince's greatest acheivements and deserves to be celebrated and cited amongst his best work, yet it's wasted on a slapdash bootleg-style release. Most people don't even know it exists.

thisisreece said:

kdjonesmtb said:

How about a bootleg series similar to what Columbia does with Bob Dylan?

Having not heard any of it, I can't really comment as to whether I feel it works, but from the looks of the series (wikipedia), something like that could work for Prince.

I think they'll do goodies directly related to said albums. B-sides, 12-inch extended cuts (all uncut), demos, etc. Maybe a genuine outtake or two if possible? Then they'll be a future release of straight-out outtakes anthologies from certain eras (1976-1983, that's a good suggestion for example).

Its like that thread asking what should be on the ATWIAD remaster, there's the original title track by the Colemans, the "America" extended cut (all friggin 21 minutes), the extended version of "Girl," the music video/extended cut of "Raspberry Beret" (which popped up on the Ultimate Prince collection earlier), etc.

I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I am sure it will just be the album plus 12" mixes/B-sides and possible the Associates songs from the movie on the Purple Rain remaster. I expect the same on the others also. B-sides extended, 12" mixes with the remastered album.

thisisreece said:

databank said:

IDK about that: CB was voluntarly a messy collection, to toy with the "bootleg" aspect of it, and also because it was a first. Anyway I've always likes CB, surprisingly I find the sequencing of the 3 CD's to work admirably and P could of course at some point be tempted of releasing another massive and messy box-set like that, but my suggestion was really thematic albums not huge collections of outtakes. I for one wouldn't probably end-up listening to remasters outtakes so much if they're just a few random tracks mixed with the albums and b-sides/extended mixes, for I'm an album guy and I hardly ever listen to solo songs. I've not listened to the songs that have leaked in 2012 so much (The Line, Our Destiny, etc.). I LOVE these tracks but the fact that they're just random solo mp3 files on my computer makes me listen to them quite rarely.

I don't find the Crystal Ball set cohesive at all. Also, many of the songs are criminally overlooked and deserve to be on a properly realised and sequenced album. The title track is one of Prince's greatest acheivements and deserves to be celebrated and cited amongst his best work, yet it's wasted on a slapdash bootleg-style release. Most people don't even know it exists.

Whether we like it or not, CB is now a full album in its own right, it has to be rereleased as such.

TrevorAyer said:

mmmmmmaybe .. I guess Prince hasn't beaten every notion of an enjoyable prince release out of me with 20 years of pure garbage .. other than that one maybe I am keeping my expecatations way way way low .. it is the only way to survive being a prince fan these days .. maybe he will surprise us with one little nugget of something in all this .. obviously he could blow all our minds .. but he could have done that for the last 20 years too and he didn't .. so why start now .. if this is a quick cash grab for prince to pump into his next 3rd eye level failure, we are all doomed .. if for some reason he wants to let the vault fly free, that would be something truly special .. I don't believe it till I see it ... until then I won't be filling my head with too many more daydreams about what this could be .. a brickwalled purple shitstorm is highly likely with his track record these days

Like seriously? You class 3121 and Lotusflw3r (first disc) as garbage!?!?!?! How about TRC - ok the Darth Vader voice and sermonising is whack but the music and musicianship is excellent!

One Nite Alone is a nice little curio. Emancipation was bloated but can easily be edited down to an awesome single disc. Hell even NPS, Rave, Musicology, MPLSound and 20Ten have some great tracks (if not whole albums).

databank said:

TrevorAyer said:

i am starting to wonder if this will be prince final disappointment .. obviously so much potential here but if crystal ball or even the mastering on the breakdown are any indication of how this will all 'really' go .. this whole project may go down like a 'wedding feast' of how far prince can drop a ball ..

is it possible the remaster could ruin the classic prince sound?

Yes if the remastering is poorly done.

is it possible darling nikki wont be on it?

No.

is it possible he will in no way open up his precious vault and simply include the b sides found on the hits package years ago and still refer to them as 'unheard'?

No, but we may get 2 outtakes per album and P would think it's enough the same way he thought paying 77 bucks for 8 unreleased songs was a good deal for us back in 2009.

is it possible the 'unheard' songs are some form of new age rapping version of a PR classic or a 3rd eye reloaded slowed down snoozefest?

NO.

is it possble the sexual words on his dirty songs will be turned backwards and ruin the entire recording?

NO.

is it possible PR will be the ONLY remaster?

NO: even if things quickly go sour between P and WB, which in P's world could happen very easilyt, it's safe to say that WB made sure their new deal make at least a certain number of remasters release of the catalogue by WB compulsary, or they wouldn't have been so prompt to return him his full catalogue at once instead of doing it on a year by year basis as the 35 years deadline happens.

mmmmmmaybe .. I guess Prince hasn't beaten every notion of an enjoyable prince release out of me with 20 years of pure garbage .. That's YOUR opinion, I've enjoyed every note of it! other than that one maybe I am keeping my expecatations way way way low .. it is the only way to survive being a prince fan these days .. maybe he will surprise us with one little nugget of something in all this .. obviously he could blow all our minds .. but he could have done that for the last 20 years too and he didn't .. He couldn't do anything with his back catalogue or outtakes from 1978-1996 so why start now .. Because he owns his full catalogue again, that's no guarantee but at least now he can do it if he so wishes. if this is a quick cash grab for prince to pump into his next 3rd eye level failure, we are all doomed .. if for some reason he wants to let the vault fly free, that would be something truly special .. I don't believe it till I see it ... Me neither until then I won't be filling my head with too many more daydreams about what this could be .. a brickwalled purple shitstorm is highly likely with his track record these days

errant said:

databank said:

Whether we like it or not, CB is now a full album in its own right, it has to be rereleased as such.

It does? Says who? Frankly, this is a perfect opportunity gor the 1987 Crystal Ball to be released.

Says the fact that it exists, period. Now it doesn't prevent the original CB to be released as it was, actually I think it would be a wonderful addition to a deluxe SOTT box-set, or at least offered as a digital release at the same time SOTT gets remastered. It was, after all, P's magnum opus.

databank said:

errant said:

databank said:

Says the fact that it exists, period. Now it doesn't prevent the original CB to be released as it was, actually I think it would be a wonderful addition to a deluxe SOTT box-set, or at least offered as a digital release at the same time SOTT gets remastered. It was, after all, P's magnum opus.

Where did you get the idea that either Prince or Warner Bros. has any interest in re-releasing CB? I didn't. Or any of his other pos-WB albums? I didn't either, the press release doesn't say anything about it. They will be rereleased on the long run, though, but probably not by WB and probably not anytime soon. It may happen. It may not happen. But nothing HAS to happen and it certainly doesn't mean anything has to be released as it was originally, especially a minor, barely-known release like CB. Yes it does, you people remake tracklists as u see fit, edit Tony M. out of songs then leak them online and want to include the extended version of Computer Blue in the sequencing of PR's remaster. I respect works of art and their value as historical documents. I don't believe in re-editing Prince albums, obscure or not, more than I believe in re-editing Shakespeare's plays. You clearly know nothing about Prince if you think there are any absolutes to his plans more than a week out. I never said anything about his plans and you clearly know nothing about me if u believe I know nothing about Prince

jaypotton said:

TrevorAyer said:

mmmmmmaybe .. I guess Prince hasn't beaten every notion of an enjoyable prince release out of me with 20 years of pure garbage .. other than that one maybe I am keeping my expecatations way way way low .. it is the only way to survive being a prince fan these days .. maybe he will surprise us with one little nugget of something in all this .. obviously he could blow all our minds .. but he could have done that for the last 20 years too and he didn't .. so why start now .. if this is a quick cash grab for prince to pump into his next 3rd eye level failure, we are all doomed .. if for some reason he wants to let the vault fly free, that would be something truly special .. I don't believe it till I see it ... until then I won't be filling my head with too many more daydreams about what this could be .. a brickwalled purple shitstorm is highly likely with his track record these days

Like seriously? You class 3121 and Lotusflw3r (first disc) as garbage!?!?!?! How about TRC - ok the Darth Vader voice and sermonising is whack but the music and musicianship is excellent!

One Nite Alone is a nice little curio. Emancipation was bloated but can easily be edited down to an awesome single disc. Hell even NPS, Rave, Musicology, MPLSound and 20Ten have some great tracks (if not whole albums).

NPS has a couple good tracks on it .. but for the most part the albums you listed are great IF you don't listen to the lyrics .. which I tend to .. and even tho I try to love any new prince release .. for the most part I just can't because they are so bad .. yes garbage .. as in .. I am happier not listening to them ever again because when I do I feel like prince thinks we are stupid high schoolers or some cheap whore he is trying to pick up with old worn out innuendos .. they are just awful records .. even with good music hooks the deliver is clunky and cheap

TrevorAyer said:

jaypotton said:

Like seriously? You class 3121 and Lotusflw3r (first disc) as garbage!?!?!?! How about TRC - ok the Darth Vader voice and sermonising is whack but the music and musicianship is excellent!

One Nite Alone is a nice little curio. Emancipation was bloated but can easily be edited down to an awesome single disc. Hell even NPS, Rave, Musicology, MPLSound and 20Ten have some great tracks (if not whole albums).

NPS has a couple good tracks on it .. but for the most part the albums you listed are great IF you don't listen to the lyrics .. which I tend to .. and even tho I try to love any new prince release .. for the most part I just can't because they are so bad .. yes garbage .. as in .. I am happier not listening to them ever again because when I do I feel like prince thinks we are stupid high schoolers or some cheap whore he is trying to pick up with old worn out innuendos .. they are just awful records .. even with good music hooks the deliver is clunky and cheap

Very subjective too. IMHO there are many qualities in Prince's lyrics, and just as many since 1996 than earlier. But let's agree to disagree

databank .. in response to my post that you changed all my to NO .. were u not around for npg music club? remember all that backwards business all over the 'rebirth of the flesh' rehearsal? how about the andy allo rap on 'extraloveable'? i see you disagree but to say it is not possible that prince will fuck up these remasters as he has done so many many times in the past 20 years is borderline dillusional .. he could have been playing darling nikki and erotic city live all these years .. but he didn't .. this has nothing to do with wb and owning masters .. it has to do with prince mind set and if he takes that mindset into these remasters we could have a huge purple log on our hands soon enough .. i hope not .. but when has prince ever failed to dissappoint since leaving wb? .. never .. thats when

I would like to get my favourite albums in better, remastered sound quality - Dirty Mind, 1999, PR, SOTT, BA, Lovesexy. No additions or deletions. Just remastered as they were intended to be. The other albums I like do not really need any remastering, and the rest I couldnt care less about.

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I would also like to see Crystal Ball 86 released, The Symbol Album released as it was originally intended, Come/Gold released as it was originally intended, the Rave album as it would have been if it werent for Batman and outakes from 83 to 88 sequenced as per each album.

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And finally I would like some BluRay/DVD concerts from these eras: Dirty Mind, PR, SOTT, Lovesexy, Gold.

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Obviously, what we will really get is PR remastered with a few b sides and extended jams which we will have all heard and a new album totally devoid of inspiration.

TrevorAyer said:

databank .. in response to my post that you changed all my to NO .. were u not around for npg music club? remember all that backwards business all over the 'rebirth of the flesh' rehearsal? how about the andy allo rap on 'extraloveable'? i see you disagree but to say it is not possible that prince will fuck up these remasters as he has done so many many times in the past 20 years is borderline dillusional .. he could have been playing darling nikki and erotic city live all these years .. but he didn't .. this has nothing to do with wb and owning masters .. it has to do with prince mind set and if he takes that mindset into these remasters we could have a huge purple log on our hands soon enough .. i hope not .. but when has prince ever failed to dissappoint since leaving wb? .. never .. thats when

NPGMC was one thing, remastered rereleases of classic albums is something else entirely. I just don't buy it. Anyway we'll soon see who's right, won't we? But if PR's lyrics or tracks are censored or the songs or tracklist altered in the purpose of censorship in any manner, u'll gimme ur home address by orgnote and I'll send u 100 dollar. I'll do it

TrevorAyer said:

i am starting to wonder if this will be prince final disappointment .. obviously so much potential here but if crystal ball or even the mastering on the breakdown are any indication of how this will all 'really' go .. this whole project may go down like a 'wedding feast' of how far prince can drop a ball ..

is it possible the remaster could ruin the classic prince sound?

is it possible darling nikki wont be on it?

is it possible he will in no way open up his precious vault and simply include the b sides found on the hits package years ago and still refer to them as 'unheard'?

is it possible the 'unheard' songs are some form of new age rapping version of a PR classic or a 3rd eye reloaded slowed down snoozefest?

is it possble the sexual words on his dirty songs will be turned backwards and ruin the entire recording?

is it possible PR will be the ONLY remaster?

mmmmmmaybe .. I guess Prince hasn't beaten every notion of an enjoyable prince release out of me with 20 years of pure garbage .. other than that one maybe I am keeping my expecatations way way way low .. it is the only way to survive being a prince fan these days .. maybe he will surprise us with one little nugget of something in all this .. obviously he could blow all our minds .. but he could have done that for the last 20 years too and he didn't .. so why start now .. if this is a quick cash grab for prince to pump into his next 3rd eye level failure, we are all doomed .. if for some reason he wants to let the vault fly free, that would be something truly special .. I don't believe it till I see it ... until then I won't be filling my head with too many more daydreams about what this could be .. a brickwalled purple shitstorm is highly likely with his track record these days

HOLY BART VAN HALEN BATMAN!!! Settle Down Beavis! Sure, his quality control has been pretty bad over the years, allowing Tony M within 5,000 miles of Paisley Park, and releasing Wedding Feast...but there have been TONS of wonderful songs.

Of course, there are tons of people on this site who hate dang near every single studio release, but will tell you how wonderful it is for Shelby to be shouting "Put Your Hands Up," over 50 times a night at an NPG show. So I guess some people like what they like.